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Nyx
07-11-2006, 09:43 PM
Is he still here?

Jimbo Gomez
07-11-2006, 09:46 PM
I miss his presence. :(

Starr
07-11-2006, 09:48 PM
Me too. He was a very good poster.

Scryllak
07-11-2006, 09:57 PM
I liked JL.

But on a free-for-all forum, you've got to learn to accept expression. It may be disgusting sometimes, but it's an inevitability, and it's important to be prepared for it.

I hope he comes back.

Fade the Butcher
07-11-2006, 10:06 PM
He asked me to deactivate his account. I granted his request.

Nyx
07-11-2006, 10:06 PM
But on a free-for-all forum, This is not a free-for-all forum.

Scryllak
07-11-2006, 10:11 PM
This is not a free-for-all forum.

In the sense of the expression of a wealth of different ideologies, yes, I would say that it is.

Nyx
07-11-2006, 10:19 PM
The idiots who provoked him to leave should be banned.

Sulla the Dictator
07-11-2006, 10:25 PM
The idiots who provoked him to leave should be banned.

The Lounge is what it is. Its more like a bar than a 19th century drawing room. Thats why we have it.

Nyx
07-11-2006, 10:26 PM
I always thought the Phora would be much better without the Lounge.

Sulla the Dictator
07-11-2006, 10:27 PM
I always thought the Phora would be much better without the Lounge.

Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, but it wouldn't be fair to punish people for posting in it the way they want (Short of breaking the rules) as long as its available.

Hermetic
07-11-2006, 10:41 PM
He was alright guy and had some good posts. But he does seem to be high strung and stormed off when not every person agreed with him.

Nyx
07-11-2006, 10:41 PM
Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, but it wouldn't be fair to punish people for posting in it the way they want (Short of breaking the rules) as long as its available.
Threatening to stalk Julian Lee is not acceptable.

Billy Score
07-11-2006, 10:43 PM
He was alright guy and had some good posts. But he does seem to be high strung and stormed off when not every person agreed with him.
He "stormed off" because of the vile character of one of the phora's posters. I do not fault him for it as there are certain people who are beneath discussion, certainly sodomites and other degenerates.

Sulla the Dictator
07-11-2006, 10:52 PM
Threatening to stalk Julian Lee is not acceptable.

I agree that the threat is not acceptable. I disagree with that being the reason Julian left. The reason he left was because of the occassional sex talk in the lounge.

Starr
07-11-2006, 10:52 PM
He "stormed off" because of the vile character of one of the phora's posters. I do not fault him for it as there are certain people who are beneath discussion, certainly sodomites and other degenerates.


Are you referring to cryptoracist or Intrepid? The best thing to do is just ignore someone if they bother you.

cryptoracist
07-11-2006, 11:01 PM
hahaha why does my name keep being brought up in this topic when I clearly stated that I do not engage in sodomy?

I have nothing to do with this silly little tantrum he threw, I am not a sodomite.

I am a vaginite. Sometimes, a headite.

BTW, I dont even remeber Intrepid posting, is his another name on The Phora?

Starr
07-11-2006, 11:07 PM
BTW, I dont even remeber Intrepid posting, is his another name on The Phora?

yes, a very ugly flame war that was.:eek:

Helios Panoptes
07-11-2006, 11:11 PM
Are you referring to cryptoracist or Intrepid? The best thing to do is just ignore someone if they bother you.

Hachiko admitted to having anal sex, Julian left because Hachiko wasn't banned.

cryptoracist
07-11-2006, 11:12 PM
yes, a very ugly flame war that was.:eek:
So this has actually ahppened before? So who left that time? :rofl:

Boy, oh boy would I love a link to that fight. :D

Ahknaton
07-11-2006, 11:23 PM
It's a shame that Julian Lee is no longer posting at the Phora. He offered a unique perspective. Its a shame he did not value his interaction with us enough to overlook the provocations of some posters.

Thomas777
07-11-2006, 11:25 PM
I don't want to trash the man in his absence, but his histrionic tirades against gays and masturbators became a bit tiresome.

I am all for piety and propriety, but I really have to wonder about a guy who (in middle age) spends his time becoming infuriated at the notion that somebody, somewhere is wacking off.

Not to mention, I really cannot take a man seriously who touts the merits of astrology.

OVERWATCH
07-11-2006, 11:29 PM
Julian Lee was a definitely unique character. I don't agree with all or most of what he said, but there is some truth in his words.

The reason he left was because of someone who admitted to practising sodomy on their girlfriend.

Really, he should have a thicker skin than that. Nonetheless, he shall be missed by many, including myself.

Can't win 'em all, though. :/

Thomas777
07-11-2006, 11:32 PM
The reason he left was because of someone who admitted to practising sodomy on their girlfriend.


Yes but this impetus for leaving makes very little sense. If Julian Lee is convinced of the merit of his position, shouldn't he just shake his head at the offending poster?

I am not going to run screaming out of here because Technosocialist is a Trotskyite even though I find Troskyism abhorrent. In fact, one of the reasons why I like this board is so that I can meet the enemy.

Hermetic
07-11-2006, 11:52 PM
He needs to grow some thicker skin.

He "stormed off" because of the vile character of one of the phora's posters. I do not fault him for it as there are certain people who are beneath discussion, certainly sodomites and other degenerates.

wintermute
07-11-2006, 11:53 PM
The reason he left was because of someone who admitted to practising sodomy on their girlfriend.

Actually, the level of trolling here had already worn down almost all of his patience. The 'sodomy' thing, on a better moderated board, would not have been as big a deal.

He was just emotionally taxed out by the atmosphere here. He kept on as long as he did precisely because he did value the contributions of, and relationships with, many posters.

At the end of the day, though, he is a very religious man. Especially in the bhakti tradition, it matters what goes into your mind. I think he found, far from not valuing certain posters here, that his continuted participation was detrimental to the cultivation of certain values in his own soul, among them tranquility, harmony, etc.

I think he made a correct decision. People here who wish to communicate with Julian can reach him through his website.

WM

Hermetic
07-11-2006, 11:56 PM
My two cents is Julian is a human pendulum and is in constant unbalance and this causes most of his problems. He goes from one far swing out ie from his admission masturbating 10 to 15 times daily and just not being able to keep his pants on. To total celibacy all sexual release is evil, super prude. To the point where 99% of all the worlds evil is caused by gays and people who masturbate.

Fade the Butcher
07-12-2006, 12:08 AM
He "stormed off" because of the vile character of one of the phora's posters. I do not fault him for it as there are certain people who are beneath discussion, certainly sodomites and other degenerates.

Let's remember the context. Julian was offended by several distasteful posts about anal sex in a thread that, if I recall correctly, had become a discussion about sexuality. It's important to keep in mind that his faux outrage was in no way inspired by prudery, but was instead related to his eccentric theories about solidarity with men and his belief that masturbators are causing the decline of civilization; perhaps the single most bizarre claim ever made by anyone on this website which, not surprisingly, invited ridicule. Julian positively thrives upon discussions of sexuality and gender related issues, as much if not more so than riddlemethis, his antagonist, and has dedicated an entire website to discussing reproductive fluids and his hostility towards women. His complaints about that particular discussion were transparently disingenious.

The staff literally bent over backwards to accomodate Julian and placate his concerns. This included, but was in no way limited to: banning at least two other posters, sandboxing threads, and censoring posts. Did this satisfy Julian? No, it did not. He continued to make unreasonable demands and continued to threaten to leave unless those demands were met. By the time he was finally deactivated, he had completely exhausted the good will he had built up amongst the staff, even amongst those who frown upon much of the lowbrow content and trolling on this board (if I had gotten my way several months ago, there would be no Lounge). The Phora is, always has been, and always will be a free speech forum. It will never be a place for the tenderhearted for that reason. The entire focus of the board cannot be changed to accomodate one individual. There are plenty of things that go on here that irritate me as well, but I put up with them, and so can Julian, if he decides to return.

wintermute
07-12-2006, 12:11 AM
My two cents is Julian is a human pendulum and is in constant unbalance and this causes most of his problems. He goes from one far swing out ie from his admission masturbating 10 to 15 times daily and just not being able to keep his pants on. To total celibacy all sexual release is evil, super prude. To the point where 99% of all the worlds evil is caused by gays and people who masturbate.

Spoken like a true LHP. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But the RHP exists as well, and their attainments are also, often, of a high order. I side with the board here regarding his overreaction to the question of non-reproductive sex. I would even go so far as to say - I forget who his interlocutor was - that the fellow he called 'less than human' is owed an apology.

However, I had been PMing Julian the week prior, and frankly, the board was not going to be his home. I asked him to stay on, and he did so, as long as he was able. I respect that. The vindictiveness and dishonesty so rampant on the board - he mentioned Oberon in particular - were simply fraying his nerves. I certainly know how he feels.

WM

Helios Panoptes
07-12-2006, 12:14 AM
Are you sure he mentioned Oberon? I don't recall those two interacting and I believe I read most of Julian's posts. Oberon has also been banned for most of the past few months.

OVERWATCH
07-12-2006, 12:14 AM
Let's remember the context. Julian was offended by several distasteful posts about anal sex in a thread that, if I recall correctly, had become a discussion about sexuality. It's important to keep in mind that his faux outrage was in no way inspired by prudery, but was instead related to his eccentric theories about solidarity with men and his belief that masturbators are causing the decline of civilization; perhaps the single most bizarre claim ever made by anyone on this website which, not surprisingly, invited ridicule. Julian positively thrives upon discussions of sexuality and gender related issues, as much if not more so than riddlemethis, his antagonist, and has dedicated an entire website to discussing reproductive fluids and his hostility towards women. His complaints about that particular discussion were transparently disingenious.

The staff literally bent over backwards to accomodate Julian and placate his concerns. This included, but was in no way limited to: banning at least two other posters, sandboxing threads, and censoring posts. Did this satisfy Julian? No, it did not. He continued to make unreasonable demands and continued to threaten to leave unless those demands were met. By the time he was finally deactivated, he had completely exhausted the good will he had built up amongst the staff, even amongst those who frown upon much of the lowbrow content and trolling on this board (if I had gotten my way several months ago, there would be no Lounge). The Phora is, always has been, and always will be a free speech forum. It will never be a place for the tenderhearted for that reason. The entire focus of the board cannot be changed to accomodate one individual. There are plenty of things that go on here that irritate me as well, but I put up with them, and so can Julian, if he decides to return.

Fade, as usual, hit the matter dead-on and I agree with this assessment 100%

wintermute
07-12-2006, 12:17 AM
I don't recall those two interacting and I believe I read most Julian's posts. Oberon has also been banned for most of the past few months.

They didn't interact, but were on the same threads. Also, Julian read more widely than he posted, as we all do.

Julian simply mentioned that the venom and dishonesty level which Radek (the name he knew Oberon under) provided on the board was something he had noted. He mentioned this in the middle of a discussion we were having about trolls and mendacious and ill-willed posters.

Julian was certainly on the board when Radek was gimped. If I look through my PMs, I might even be able to find his exact words.

WM

Helios Panoptes
07-12-2006, 12:32 AM
No, if it was really important, I would email him about it. Best to keep PMs private, IMO.

Hermetic
07-12-2006, 12:33 AM
The LHP is geared for natural aristocratic dispite the bubble gum flockers that pose with it for awhile. And the RHP is for the masses in there gearing that is why at this time RHP is bigger. Since you brought up this subject my major disagreement with Julian is his website promotes harmful practices of Kundalini exercises taken from his 11 steps to sexual control:


By doing the Mula Bandha....Eventually, if you stop entertaining sex thoughts in your mind, your sex organ will cease generating sperm.



He also says people should ignore there lower soul points and work on the higher ones ie third eye and crown. That will cause a destructive imbalance in people over time. The work needs to be all of them in balance. These imbalances can manifest in mental unstablity and illness.

Also he shares and promotes the juadic attitude towards sexuality that fills people with guilt and shame over there natural sexuality which creates neurosis in people down the road.

For reasons I have talked on before total celibacy will not give a person any higher power in the long run energy wise. Channeling the climax can and will. He also seems to ignore the Tantric school in India like it never existed.









Spoken like a true LHP. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

But the RHP exists as well, and their attainments are also, often, of a high order. I side with the board here regarding his overreaction to the question of non-reproductive sex. I would even go so far as to say - I forget who his interlocutor was - that the fellow he called 'less than human' is owed an apology.

However, I had been PMing Julian the week prior, and frankly, the board was not going to be his home. I asked him to stay on, and he did so, as long as he was able. I respect that. The vindictiveness and dishonesty so rampant on the board - he mentioned Oberon in particular - were simply fraying his nerves. I certainly know how he feels.

WM

wintermute
07-12-2006, 12:43 AM
He also says people should ignore there lower soul points and work on the higher ones ie third eye and crown. That will cause a destructive imbalance in people over time. The work needs to be all of them in balance. These imbalances can manifest in mental unstablity and illness.

I tend to agree, but it is equally true that people "working" with lower centers get stuck there more easily, and often under the disastrous impression that they are doing spiritual work. That said, undoing my early Christian upbringing involved a lot of restorative work on my Manipura, not entirely complete.

For reasons I have talked on before total celibacy is will give a person any higher power in the long run energy wise. Channeling the climax can and will. He also seems to ignore the Tantric school in India like it never existed.

You can hardly blame a RHP Hindu for ignoring the premiere LHP in his tradition.

WM

Fade the Butcher
07-12-2006, 12:44 AM
Hachiko admitted to having anal sex, Julian left because Hachiko wasn't banned.

He threatened to leave if Die wasn't banned. Die was banned. Julian got his way. He threatened to leave if riddlemethis wasn't banned. riddlemethis was given a time out. Julian got his way. He threatened to leave yet again unless we banned hachiko . . . for posting something he disapproved of in the Lounge, which was perfectly within the rules of that forum, even though hachiko was not trying to antagonize him. His incessant demands were becoming progressively more unreasonable and irritating.

Note: Julian dedicated an entire page of his own website to insinuating that Intrepid is a homosexual, and even went so far as to make a voice recording about the subject, but expects us to ban someone for what he does with his sacred man juices?

Helios Panoptes
07-12-2006, 12:51 AM
Speaking frankly and with no ill will, that was both one of the strangest and funniest internet feuds I have witnessed. Julian collected all kinds of band photos, lyrics, etc., plus the voice recording Fade mentioned, then he said he had his assistant do it. Just the very idea of someone's assistant constructing a webpage to call someone a fag over a flame war still makes me chuckle. Iirc, he made a page for Dances with Wolves, too, but I could be mistaken.

wintermute
07-12-2006, 12:53 AM
He threatened to leave yet again unless we banned hachiko . . . for posting something he disapproved of in the Lounge, which was perfectly within the rules of that forum, even though hachiko was not trying to antagonize him.

If hachiko is the one he called 'less than human', then yes, hachiko is owed an apology. I would make that a condition of Julian's return. While I am sympathetic to many of Julian's complaints, his behavior on that final thread was vastly disproportionate to the cause.

I am sure that, upon reflection, he would agree that his comments, at the very least, were unwarranted.

WM

bardamu
07-12-2006, 01:02 AM
If hachiko is the one he called 'less than human', then yes, hachiko is owed an apology.

Says the faun. :)

I enjoyed Julian's posts.

cryptoracist
07-12-2006, 01:07 AM
Speaking frankly and with no ill will, that was both one of the strangest and funniest internet feuds I have witnessed. Julian collected all kinds of band photos, lyrics, etc., plus the voice recording Fade mentioned, then he said he had his assistant do it. Just the very idea of someone's assistant constructing a webpage to call someone a fag over a flame war still makes me chuckle. Iirc, he made a page for Dances with Wolves, too, but I could be mistaken.
LOL literally at this thought of somebody going to this extreme. imagine that you're the one who works for this guy and he comes out and tells you that this is your assignment for the day. hahahahaaa........lolololllll.......:rofl:

wintermute
07-12-2006, 01:10 AM
Says the faun.

If Julian had called me 'less than faun', I would be entitled to the same apology. I mean, I just assumed hachiko was human. He is, right?

I enjoyed Julian's posts.

Me too. I'd love to see he and Dr. Antichrist have a real debate about Hinduism's right and left hand paths.

Plus, for all his eccentricities, his words about men and women, and the relationships between men and their effect on the larger society, are very important.

WM

Helios Panoptes
07-12-2006, 01:12 AM
If my memory does not mislead, he said that everyone who engaged in anal sex was less than human and Kevin O'Keefe piped up to inquire about the state of his humanity.

Starr
07-12-2006, 01:13 AM
he made a page for Dances with Wolves, too, but I could be mistaken.

I don't recall seeing that. lol. I didn't really pay a lot of attention to that site, however. I know dances with wolves must not have seen it, otherwise he definitely would have had something to say.

Ahknaton
07-12-2006, 01:16 AM
Dances with Wolves' temp-ban must have just about expired by now. Someone should tell him to start posting here again in case he doesn't realise.

Thomas777
07-12-2006, 01:16 AM
If my memory does not mislead, he said that everyone who engaged in anal sex was less than human and Kevin O'Keefe piped up to inquire about the state of his humanity.

This whole "debate" was/is bizarre. I run into people all the time who I think are sort of libertine/loose and sexually vulgar. I look down on that sort of conduct but I really don't lose any sleep over these sorts of things or think about it much. Thinking people should have bigger fish to fry, and this kind of stuff should not pique their interests.

Julian to me reminds me of that oddball preacher who runs the "god hates fags" site: Sure, well adjusted people look down on homosexuality...but why would you obsess over such things unless you had some questionable tendencies yourself? Just my .02

Hermetic
07-12-2006, 01:40 AM
Each center governs a important part of the whole and are part of the empowering of the soul. Unbalance is unbalance if it only working the lower or the upper. All pathways need to open for the Kundalini to properly ascend.


I tend to agree, but it is equally true that people "working" with lower centers get stuck there more easily, and often under the disastrous impression that they are doing spiritual work. That said, undoing my early Christian upbringing involved a lot of restorative work on my Manipura, not entirely complete.

No but there is a certain ignorance with that.

You can hardly blame a RHP Hindu for ignoring the premiere LHP in his tradition.

WM

Sulla the Dictator
07-12-2006, 01:55 AM
And can a man really have something like 'the force'? Or is that just an idea George Lucas made up? Only the celibate can know.

--Julian Lee

www.celibacy.org

Julian has a sermon that plays on his main page connecting Gandalf and Luke Skywalker to "sanctity".....meaning celibacy, and its danger to the 'current world order'.

tempus fugit
07-12-2006, 02:18 AM
Was this the first time Julian Lee met somone who announced that he's had anal sex? If so, what were his previous reactions? If he ran from them just as now, he must be quite a hermit.

Hippias
07-12-2006, 02:58 AM
Julian Lee is a decent man. He made the right decision by canceling his account here. And Fade, it's disingenuous of you to describe Julian's site as devoted to talk of "reproductive fluids." If that's all you got from it, you should pay it another (extended) visit. It's about achieving self-mastery and eventually sainthood through sexual restraint. Of course, I wouldn't expect his message to reach someone who openly bragged about having sex with a member of the Phora in a hotel room and who kept saying (you must have said this like a dozen times) "My girlfriend is bisexual and I don't have a problem with it." You obviously find his sexual values "bizarre" because you don't share them.

Keystone
07-12-2006, 03:17 AM
Just stop talking about him like a bunch of old women.

JL is more than what he typed here, just like everyone else.

Thomas777
07-12-2006, 03:22 AM
Just stop talking about him like a bunch of old women.

JL is more than what he typed here, just like everyone else.

I don't care one way or the other about Julian Lee. At the same time, I don't think that astrology, star charts, and theories about the cosmic ramifications of jacking off should be the stuff of anything except comedy routines.

Perhaps a subforum should be created devoted to the subject of Julian Lee.

Keystone
07-12-2006, 03:29 AM
I don't care one way or the other about Julian Lee. At the same time, I don't think that astrology, star charts, and theories about the cosmic ramifications of jacking off should be the stuff of anything except comedy routines.
I never read his long drones about astrology, which I think is pure BS. I always thought he was a repressed queer, kids and all. But then that would be gossiping.
Perhaps a subforum should be created devoted to the subject of Julian Lee.
Marty doesn't have one yet.

Ahknaton
07-12-2006, 03:33 AM
I always thought he was a repressed queer, kids and all. But then that would be gossiping.I think that's over the line.
Perhaps a subforum should be created devoted to the subject of Julian Lee.Julian's ruminations on astrology were one of the reasons the Swamphut was created.

Keystone
07-12-2006, 03:35 AM
I think that's over the line.
As you say. That's what I think.
Julian's ruminations on astrology was one of the reasons the Swamphut was created.
Good.

O'Zebedee
07-12-2006, 03:45 AM
Why don't a bunch of us get together and go visit him at his site?

Always we expect him to make the trek over here, and never do we think of just showing up and saying hi.

Keystone, you bring the wine and I'll make sandwiches for the hamper.

Keystone
07-12-2006, 03:51 AM
Keystone, you bring the wine and I'll make sandwiches for the hamper.
I think that is fabulous Zeb.

Just mind your male juices whilst playing badminton.

O'Zebedee
07-12-2006, 04:00 AM
Is this a Canadian expression or is it gay code words?:D

This gay marriage thing has brought some unexpected changes to the Great White North, UA.

Johnson
07-12-2006, 04:14 AM
Fuck that prag. His neurotic website is great for comic relief, though.

Hachiko
07-12-2006, 04:34 AM
Are you referring to cryptoracist or Intrepid? The best thing to do is just ignore someone if they bother you.
I believe that the priss left because of me. Crypto and Intrepid had nothing to do with it.

Hachiko
07-12-2006, 04:43 AM
If hachiko is the one he called 'less than human', then yes, hachiko is owed an apology.
I am not owed anything. The whole damn thread went off tangent when I made a low-brow comparison of white vs. asian equipment. But in all honesty if I'm questioned, I'm not ashamed to say what I've done in my life. I did not set out to smatter the Lounge with my past sexual conquests.
If my original post in that thread was in poor taste I'll be happy to apologize.

Nyx
07-12-2006, 06:30 AM
I agree that the threat is not acceptable. I disagree with that being the reason Julian left. The reason he left was because of the occassional sex talk in the lounge.That is not acceptable either.

Nyx
07-12-2006, 06:32 AM
Julian Lee was a definitely unique character. I don't agree with all or most of what he said, but there is some truth in his words.

The reason he left was because of someone who admitted to practising sodomy on their girlfriend.

Really, he should have a thicker skin than that. Nonetheless, he shall be missed by many, including myself.

Can't win 'em all, though. :/Why not just ban all the members who talk needlessly about their sex lives?

Billy Score
07-12-2006, 06:38 AM
Let's remember the context. Julian was offended by several distasteful posts about anal sex in a thread that, if I recall correctly, had become a discussion about sexuality. It's important to keep in mind that his faux outrage was in no way inspired by prudery, but was instead related to his eccentric theories about solidarity with men and his belief that masturbators are causing the decline of civilization; perhaps the single most bizarre claim ever made by anyone on this website which, not surprisingly, invited ridicule. Julian positively thrives upon discussions of sexuality and gender related issues, as much if not more so than riddlemethis, his antagonist, and has dedicated an entire website to discussing reproductive fluids and his hostility towards women. His complaints about that particular discussion were transparently disingenious.

The staff literally bent over backwards to accomodate Julian and placate his concerns. This included, but was in no way limited to: banning at least two other posters, sandboxing threads, and censoring posts. Did this satisfy Julian? No, it did not. He continued to make unreasonable demands and continued to threaten to leave unless those demands were met. By the time he was finally deactivated, he had completely exhausted the good will he had built up amongst the staff, even amongst those who frown upon much of the lowbrow content and trolling on this board (if I had gotten my way several months ago, there would be no Lounge). The Phora is, always has been, and always will be a free speech forum. It will never be a place for the tenderhearted for that reason. The entire focus of the board cannot be changed to accomodate one individual. There are plenty of things that go on here that irritate me as well, but I put up with them, and so can Julian, if he decides to return.

I agree with this. The staff had gone out of its way to accomodate him and enough was enough. It was simply an unfortunate situation all around as i do not blame him for leaving for the reason he did, but i do not fault the staff for not heeding to his demands.

Even the best of us can't or shouldn't hold the forum hostage, even if it is to ban an undesirable.

Why not just ban all the members who talk needlessly about their sex lives?

I like this

Starr
07-12-2006, 06:42 AM
I don't believe I have ever seen anyone talk endlessly about their sex life.

Jake Featherston
07-12-2006, 06:52 AM
If hachiko is the one he called 'less than human', then yes, hachiko is owed an apology.

The only reason I mentioned my own sodomitic youthful indiscretions (:) ) was in in order to respond to his claim that no one who did such things could be a man. I didn't appreciate his inadvertent (in that didn't know his remarks pertained to me specifically, until after he made them) calling into question my membership in the category of "men." I was frankly a little disappointed that more of you didn't speak out, because it ain't just me and Hachiko who have done that to a lady or two. I don't know which of the rest of you guys have, but I imagine its a substantial percentage of the total (and many of those who haven't merely haven't yet had the opportunity). More of you should have called him on that, albeit perhaps not in quite so candid a manner as I chose to employ.

Richard Parker
07-12-2006, 07:25 AM
Julian is a fascinating character.

It is not difficult to imagine a racist gas-station attendant or a racist lawyer or a racist rogue academic. I was intrigued by Julian because he is a new-agey hippie astrologer AND and a racist.

Because of this exceptionalism, I wondered if his racism was also exceptional. Perhaps he might be racist to phantasmagorical levels? Like a total exterminationist or something?

I PM'd him and asked him directly if this was the case, and he said he is not like that.

In fact he was nice and our PMs were friendly thereafter. At the same time he seemed to angry at me sometimes, like in this post.
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=112447&highlight=harjit#post112447

Nearing the end I tried to tell him not to quit but he sounded like it was a done deal so I didn't persist.

I miss the guy.

Nyx
07-12-2006, 07:49 AM
Does he post at any other forums?

Hugh Jorgen
07-12-2006, 07:52 AM
The only reason I mentioned my own sodomitic youthful indiscretions (:) ) was in in order to respond to his claim that no one who did such things could be a man. I didn't appreciate his inadvertent (in that didn't know his remarks pertained to me specifically, until after he made them) calling into question my membership in the category of "men." I was frankly a little disappointed that more of you didn't speak out, because it ain't just me and Hachiko who have done that to a lady or two. I don't know which of the rest of you guys have, but I imagine its a substantial percentage of the total (and many of those who haven't merely haven't yet had the opportunity). More of you should have called him on that, albeit perhaps not in quite so candid a manner as I chose to employ.
Yes Kevin ... you're right ... I should have put my hand up. :wave:
Wifey affectionately calls me her "big bugger" .:dance:

Helios Panoptes
07-12-2006, 07:54 AM
Does he post at any other forums?

Stormfront.

Nyx
07-12-2006, 07:56 AM
Stormfront.But does he still post there?
And under what name?

Helios Panoptes
07-12-2006, 07:57 AM
But does he still post there?

I do not know.

And under what name?

JL

Hachiko
07-12-2006, 11:06 AM
Why not just ban all the members who talk needlessly about their sex lives?
Please first put up a disclaimer that posting RE sexual relations/intercourse is prohibited here. :)

Helios Panoptes
07-12-2006, 11:08 AM
Hachiko, I do not understand your signature. How is it possible that you applied anti-liberal sentiment during the first year of your life?

Ahknaton
07-12-2006, 11:11 AM
I have a theory that Julian left because someone here masturbated one too many times over the past few weeks, triggering an uncontrolled discharge of sexual energy that caused the Universe to manifest Julian's departure in our collective "World Dream".

Not pointing any fingers.

Hachiko
07-12-2006, 11:14 AM
Hachiko, I do not understand your signature. How is it possible that you applied anti-liberal sentiment during the first year of your life?
Mayhaps by God's graces. My Mom can vouch for me on this. :)

bardamu
07-12-2006, 12:07 PM
Julian is a fascinating character.

It is not difficult to imagine a racist gas-station attendant or a racist lawyer or a racist rogue academic. I was intrigued by Julian because he is a new-agey hippie astrologer AND and a racist.

Because of this exceptionalism, I wondered if his racism was also exceptional. Perhaps he might be racist to phantasmagorical levels? Like a total exterminationist or something?

I PM'd him and asked him directly if this was the case, and he said he is not like that.

In fact he was nice and our PMs were friendly thereafter. At the same time he seemed to angry at me sometimes, like in this post.
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=112447&highlight=harjit#post112447

Nearing the end I tried to tell him not to quit but he sounded like it was a done deal so I didn't persist.

I miss the guy.


This is kind of silly. Racism is the standard in the world. It is multiculturalists, or whatever you would like to call yourselves, who are the exceptions.

New age racists, as you say, are not rare. Look no further than Savitri Devi for starters.

Anarch
07-12-2006, 12:18 PM
I have a theory that Julian left because someone here masturbated one too many times over the past few weeks, triggering an uncontrolled discharge of sexual energy that caused the Universe to manifest Julian's departure in our collective "World Dream".

Not pointing any fingers.

Sinclair did it.

il ragno
07-12-2006, 12:31 PM
Julian was a unique individual, sui generis; in my opinion there aren't enough people like him in the world. You did not need to agree with his every utterance to value his participation and respect his maturity, erudition and perspective on matters.

You can call him 'eccentric' but there are those of us who prize eccentricity - without it, we'd all be one vast mooing herd moving cluelessly on the conveyor belt from Iron Maiden in our 20s to Fox News in our 40s to Florida condos in our 60s. Thank God for the 'eccentrics', without whom life in these United States would be truly unbearable.

He in all likelihood left because of Brandon Orr-like threats of real-world outing and harassmernt made by Decrepit, who took it upon himself to translate Julian's views on celibacy into 'ha-ha, lookit the queer-boy!' ; for some reason Decrepit managed to forget that, before he went on his roots-music and amateur-historian kick a few years ago, he used to be what the world around him would have indelicately termed a punk-rock faggot. Regardless of his actual sexual orientation.

Julian, if you're still out there lurking, feel free to PM me and we can swap email addresses....I'd like to stay in touch.

Richard Parker
07-12-2006, 12:40 PM
This is kind of silly.
It was partly meant to be.

Something about the Phora I feel like a kid let loose in an amusement park. It could be the fact that so many of the views expressed here are so breathtakingly repellent or prudish or bizarre or otherworldly that I get a feeling that anything goes, giving me license to act like a total idiot.

Maybe I should change that attitude though... I actually really like it here and would be quite desolate were I to get banned.

Racism is the standard in the world. It is multiculturalists, or whatever you would like to call yourselves, who are the exceptions.
There is not a single major nation in the world that has racist legislation on the books.

Did you know that there are almost 2 million foreigners residing in Japan, around 1.5% of the population? Just a factoid in my stream-of-conciousness at the moment.

New age racists, as you say, are not rare. Look no further than Savitri Devi for starters.
She seems like a pretty darn unique individual to me, including among racialists.

But sure, there may be many, you would know more than me. I'm just indulging in all kinds of stereotypes. I want to have fun too sometimes. :whip:

Jimbo Gomez
07-12-2006, 01:35 PM
There is not a single major nation in the world that has racist legislation on the books.

Finland has discriminatory legislation in the books which take swedish ancestry into account. :)

Ahknaton
07-12-2006, 01:57 PM
There is not a single major nation in the world that has racist legislation on the books.Israel arguably has a racist immigration policy (and good on them).

Fade the Butcher
07-12-2006, 02:16 PM
For those who tire of the rough and tumble free speech nature of The Phora, the lowbrow content, the Darwinian debates, and the ideological kaleidoscope that prevails here, as I do from time to time, a second project will be opening this fall. Occidental Dissent will be an explicitly racialist forum. It will be like VNN Forum in reverse: a moderated environment where mature racialists of above average intelligence can gather to discuss race-related issues affecting the Occident (crime, immigration, multiculturalism, anti-discrimination legislation, racial differences, etc.) OCD will be the forum we all know should have been created a long time ago, but have as yet failed to do so; a more public face for racialism. OCD will also be a multimedia project (blog, forum, wiki). The Civic Platform will be revamped and integrated into OCD under a subdomain and a MediaWiki will be installed under another. The MediaWiki will be a place to store extended essays about all sorts of race-related topics for public reference. The cat out of the bag . . .

WFHermans
07-12-2006, 02:30 PM
You have to be the lowest of the lowest to attack someone who can't defend himself.

Anarch
07-12-2006, 02:34 PM
You have to be the lowest of the lowest to attack someone who can't defend himself.
Or Jewish. Don't forget the poor little Palestinians, Hermans.

il ragno
07-12-2006, 02:39 PM
For those who tire of the rough and tumble free speech nature of The Phora, the lowbrow content, the Darwinian debates, and the ideological kaleidoscope that prevails here, as I do from time to time, a second project will be opening this fall. Occidental Dissent will be an explicitly racialist forum.

Whatta burner on Okiereddust!

Actually, like what I'd presume to be most of us here, I like the ability to segue smoothly between low- and highbrow. There are some points that can only be effectively made with the plainest of plain talk.

Of course, there's never any excuse to be a witless boor, but I maintain one can be coarse and still maintain a sense of decorum, and even elegance, in one's gutter-wallowing.

Ahknaton
07-12-2006, 02:40 PM
You have to be the lowest of the lowest to attack someone who can't defend himself.
Julian can start posting again any time he feels like it if he wants to reply to anything. As far as I know he's not banned, is he?

Jimbo Gomez
07-12-2006, 02:46 PM
He isn't banned.

Richard Parker
07-12-2006, 02:58 PM
Finland has discriminatory legislation in the books which take swedish ancestry into account. :)
Interesting.

What do these laws stipulate? I tried to Google it but couldn't find the information. (but I am not a very good googler :)) The results I got all talk about ethnology or language.

If it was truly aggressively racist I'm sure there would be a lot of attention.

Richard Parker
07-12-2006, 03:01 PM
Israel arguably has a racist immigration policy (and good on them).
It is a Jewish state, not a racial state. It is not concerned with a person's genotype.

There are white Jews and swarthy Middle Eastern Jews and black Ethiopian Jews in Israel.

Jimbo Gomez
07-12-2006, 03:10 PM
Interesting.

What do these laws stipulate? I tried to Google it but couldn't find the information. (but I am not a very good googler :)) The results I got all talk about ethnology or language.

If it was truly aggressively racist I'm sure there would be a lot of attention.


I know they exist but am unsure about what they say. Ask Mackie or Petr.

WFHermans
07-12-2006, 03:29 PM
It is a Jewish state, not a racial state. It is not concerned with a person's genotype.

There are white Jews and swarthy Middle Eastern Jews and black Ethiopian Jews in Israel.
Oh, please. You know as well as I do that if 10 million starving African negroes said "We be jews, take us in" Israel wouldn't do that.

WFHermans
07-12-2006, 03:33 PM
Two other countries with "racist" laws are Germany and Eire. They let you in if you have one grandparent who was "german" or "irish". I'm writing this from memory.

Fade the Butcher
07-12-2006, 03:39 PM
The Phora has been around for so long that it has taken on a life of its own. And besides, I wouldn't want to have The Phora any other way. There is no other forum quite like it on the internet. The Phora is a free speech, general discussion forum, albeit one friendly to racialists and other extremists, targeted towards an 18-25 year old demographic. It has succeeded beyond my wildest expectations when you think about. If it had not been for all the hacks, The Phora would be one of the biggest forums on the internet. The content of the board reflects both its purpose and its audience. It was a forum I created as an undergraduate and a much younger man. The snowballing growth of The Phora gives me room to work on other projects. There is only so much that can be done within the organizing concept of The Phora, and much more needs to be done.

OCD will be an explicitly racialist forum/blog/wiki targeted towards college educated, white professional adults of above average intelligence (25 years old and above) in Europe, North America, and Australia/New Zealand interested in creating a new, more presentable racialism. The editorial policy of the board has yet to be finalized, but there is substantial agreement as to what we want to do: something professional, something presentable, a place where more permanent and substantial contributions can be logged, a place for more cordial exchanges, a public face for racialism, everything that is not being done, which needs to be done, which we all know needs to be done. OCD will be a heroic attempt to rescue racialism from costume fantasists, pigmentation fetishists, gutter hatred, incompetant micro-führers, national chauvinists, and tattooed skinhead wannabee Nazi clowns. Such a locus for productive exchange and substantial activism is desperately needed . . . and noticeably absent. I see no reason to be secretive about this project, as I fully expect many Phorans to participate, and I plan on working on both boards. Consider OCD a more adult extension of Phora Enterprises.

Oh, and I get to burn Okierreddust in the process. :p

Richard Parker
07-12-2006, 03:48 PM
Oh, please. You know as well as I do that if 10 million starving African negroes said "We be jews, take us in" Israel wouldn't do that.
Of course not, but there is nothing racist about limiting immigration.

A nation's laws would be racist if, for example white Americans are allowed a visitor's visa but black Americans are not. This is the level of racism that many (perhaps most? nearly all?) racialists seem to want in white-majority nations, and is an example I often use.

The most notable examples of any nations ever having had explicitly racist laws were the USA, Nazi Germany and South Africa. It has not been very common in history.

Hachiko
07-12-2006, 04:00 PM
Of course not, but there is nothing racist about limiting immigration.

A nation's laws would be racist if, for example white Americans are allowed a visitor's visa but black Americans are not. This is the level of racism that many (perhaps most? nearly all?) racialists seem to want in white-majority nations, and is an example I often use.

The most notable examples of any nations ever having had explicitly racist laws were the USA, Nazi Germany and South Africa. It has not been very common in history.
Couldn't someone interpret the 1965 Immigration Laws to be somewhat divisive racially?

WFHermans
07-12-2006, 04:15 PM
Every colonial nation had strong racial laws, and every country nowadays that I know of has racial laws. Germany was no more racist than the average southern state. Read Gandhi's autobiography, for instance, to find out that Great Britain was more racist than Germany.

Nowadays, Israel has the most agressive racist laws in the world, flatly outlawing even the most basic protection of the law to its indigenous citizens.

Fade the Butcher
07-12-2006, 04:20 PM
The most notable examples of any nations ever having had explicitly racist laws were the USA, Nazi Germany and South Africa. It has not been very common in history.

There wasn't a need for such laws in Europe.

Fade the Butcher
07-12-2006, 04:23 PM
Alabama State Constitution (http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeofAlabama/Constitution/1901/Constitution1901_toc.htm)

SECTION 256

Duty of legislature to establish and maintain public school system; apportionment of public school fund; separate schools for white and colored children.

The legislature shall establish, organize, and maintain a liberal system of public schools throughout the state for the benefit of the children thereof between the ages of seven and twenty-one years. The public school fund shall be apportioned to the several counties in proportion to the number of school children of school age therein, and shall be so apportioned to the schools in the districts or townships in the counties as to provide, as nearly as practicable, school terms of equal duration in such school districts or townships. Separate schools shall be provided for white and colored children, and no child of either race shall be permitted to attend a school of the other race.

WFHermans
07-12-2006, 04:31 PM
Every European colonial nation had laws similar to the southern laws in its colonies.

Olin D. Johnston
07-12-2006, 04:56 PM
Many states leading up to the Civil War had provisions in there constitutions prohibiting blacks from permanently residing in their jurisdiction.

Billy Score
07-12-2006, 09:05 PM
I for one greatly admire Mr. Lee, perhaps more than any other poster here, and hope that he will one day return or i will find his posts on another forum.

cryptoracist
10-10-2006, 10:41 PM
For those who tire of the rough and tumble free speech nature of The Phora, the lowbrow content, the Darwinian debates, and the ideological kaleidoscope that prevails here, as I do from time to time, a second project will be opening this fall. Occidental Dissent will be an explicitly racialist forum. It will be like VNN Forum in reverse: a moderated environment where mature racialists of above average intelligence can gather to discuss race-related issues affecting the Occident (crime, immigration, multiculturalism, anti-discrimination legislation, racial differences, etc.) OCD will be the forum we all know should have been created a long time ago, but have as yet failed to do so; a more public face for racialism. OCD will also be a multimedia project (blog, forum, wiki). The Civic Platform will be revamped and integrated into OCD under a subdomain and a MediaWiki will be installed under another. The MediaWiki will be a place to store extended essays about all sorts of race-related topics for public reference. The cat out of the bag . . .
:confused: Is this Fade?

Oblisk
10-11-2006, 01:04 AM
Who exactly was this person?

Nyx
10-11-2006, 01:12 AM
Who exactly was this person?
Someone who used to post on this forum. Here are his websites (amongst many others):

www.Celibacy.info
www.WhiteWays.com

Oblisk
10-11-2006, 01:15 AM
Someone who used to post on this forum. Here are his websites (amongst many others):

www.Celibacy.info (http://www.Celibacy.info)
www.WhiteWays.com (http://www.WhiteWays.com)

I take it those sites are about Absence chastity?

Billy Score
10-11-2006, 01:36 AM
I take it those sites are about Absence chastity?
perhaps clicking on them could prove this.

Oblisk
10-11-2006, 01:38 AM
perhaps clicking on them could prove this.

The first link is dead, and from what I gather from the second site, it is.

Sulla the Dictator
10-11-2006, 02:16 AM
This Julian Lee and the cult of Phorans around him is one of the oddest things I've seen on the Internet.

Though I notice that Julian Lee enthusiasts also tend to be the biggest fans of North Korea.

Weirdos. :rofl:

cryptoracist
10-11-2006, 01:26 PM
Hey, dammit! I also like reading Julian Lee's posts. The main reason I love this forum is the wide diversity of opinion.
Yeah, but if I rememebr correctly Julian was demanding that that "wide diversity of opinion" be repressed to suit him.

Not to re-open old wounds or anything... I just want to voice that opinion... ;)

Richard Parker
10-11-2006, 01:47 PM
This is going to be a bit of a silly post but I am not trolling.

When I first encountered Julian I was not accustomed to racialist astrologers.

I mean, a racist taxi-driver or gas-pump attendant... that I could understand.

So I wondered if his racism was totally out of this world, like maybe he would be phantasmagorically extreme, or a WCOTC-like exterminationist desirious of a white planet, or something like that.

I am always curious about people so I PM'd him to ask him this, up front. He turned out to be quite a nice person. We became friendly, but my views eventually seemed to upset him. I think he wanted me to be a more right-wing Hindu.

It was one of the very few cases where I felt a bit guilty for disappointing a racialist on the internet just from being myself.

I am sorry he is gone. I think he would like Sandee (Jewel) and would have a lot to converse about with her.

cryptoracist
10-11-2006, 05:14 PM
Today's Tyra show features Adult Virgins talking about their chastity decision... and it's a good show actually.

Should be rerun later today or if in a different timezone if may not have aired yet... should check it out if intereted in celibacy. :negro:

Sandee
10-11-2006, 11:57 PM
I am sorry he is gone. I think he would like Sandee (Jewel) and would have a lot to converse about with her.

He was supposed to do my natal chart but he left shortly after that. :(

I don't know him much but he seemed quite decent. I really respect those who practise celibacy. Not many can control their bodily desires and it requires a lot of self-discipline and mental power to be able to not give in to your temptations. He must be a master of self-control. That is cool too.

Kilted Blob Chaser
04-16-2010, 08:03 AM
...That incident was just the straw that broke the camel's back, we've been very lenient with him on numerous things...

2nd post, here

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10779

Who are we? What are you other than some likely Criptard who's confined in a wheelchair in order to afford spending endless time behind a keyboard giving out enough reps so that it can red dot me 2 days in a row? Is that all you've got for a life, besides 12,000 or so trollings here?