what are you currently reading ?

[Atlas]

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The restaurant at the end of the Univers.

[Anarch]

Being and Time - Martin Heidegger.

[Jimbo Gomez]

You two bitches bickering in the shoutbox.

[Berianidze]

Das Kapital Vol. 1 - Karl Marx

Assorted works of J.V. Stalin

(amongst other things of lesser importance)

[Anarch]

The City of God - Saint Augustine.
Still reading Being and Time by Heidegger.
My economics textbook for my exam on Monday.

[joon]

Confessions - Saint Augustine.

I don't like it.

[Hakluyt]

Charles Murray's Human Accomplishment
Biography of George Grant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Grant)
re-reading JK Galbraith's books The Affluent Society and the New Industrial State

[Geist]

Paul Auster - The New York Trilogy.

[jcs]

Still reading Being and Time by Heidegger.
That book is a bitch, mostly thanks to the fact that he uses 'being' in various forms in various parts of sentences (as a verb or noun or...).
His later works are more worth-while. They present a more developed version of his earlier thought, and are more well-written.

I just finished 'Man and His Becoming According to the Vedanta' by Guenon. I won't even pretend to have grasped most of it.

[Helios Panoptes]

Being and Time is okay reading up until a point. Later sections are very slow going. I'd recommend having some decent secondary sources on hand.

[Geist]

Get the Routledge Guide to Being and Time, Routledge Guides are generally better than the actual origanal sources for grasping the content. My days of reading the likes of Heidegger are well gone, thank god.

[Sinclair]

"The City in Mind", by JH Kunstler.

I'm rereading "Night Watch" by Terry Pratchett.

I've got a shitload of books on John Steinbeck to read for an essay once I finish my last midterm today.

[1-800]

Kunstler is great.


http://www.kunstler.com/

Bike everywhere! :)

[Sinclair]

I've got a thread on Kunstler in politics. Somebody post there for crying out loud.

[Helios Panoptes]

Get the Routledge Guide to Being and Time, Routledge Guides are generally better than the actual origanal sources for grasping the content. My days of reading the likes of Heidegger are well gone, thank god.

Another Routledge reader, cool. The Baudrillard book is very good, the Lacan is okay, too. I use them for things I'd like to develop a basic knowledge of without delving too deeply, due to a lack of free time. I was not too pleased by Mullhall's book on B&T, though. The Gelven book is the best of the ones that break down B&T section by section. The best overall intro to Heidegger is Otto Poggeler's, but it is not a section-by-section analysis of Being and Time. There is an interesting book by Johannes Fritsche on Heidegger and National Socialism, but it is not geared toward someone looking for an introduction. There is a surprisingly dearth of useful introductions to Heidegger's work; if I'm wrong, please give a few examples. There is a book by a Vycinas, which I am unfamiliar with, but I know most of them.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Arabian Nights
Children of Dune by Frank Herbert
Singoalla by Viktor Rydberg

[Anarch]

Being and Time - Martin Heidegger
Nietzsche - Martin Heidegger (vol 1 at the moment)
Man, Economy and the State with Power and Market - Murray Rothbard

[Geist]

Another Routledge reader, cool. The Baudrillard book is very good, the Lacan is okay, too. I use them for things I'd like to develop a basic knowledge of without delving too deeply, due to a lack of free time. I was not too pleased by Mullhall's book on B&T, though. The Gelven book is the best of the ones that break down B&T section by section. The best overall intro to Heidegger is Otto Poggeler's, but it is not a section-by-section analysis of Being and Time. There is an interesting book by Johannes Fritsche on Heidegger and National Socialism, but it is not geared toward someone looking for an introduction. There is a surprisingly dearth of useful introductions to Heidegger's work; if I'm wrong, please give a few examples. There is a book by a Vycinas, which I am unfamiliar with, but I know most of them.

Same here as regards using Routledge for a handy introduction to anything I dont have time to explore fully. Yeah Mulhalls book isnt great compared to some in the series but it did the trick when I had an essay on Beig and Time.

Well its a long time since I had to tackle anything difficult in philosophy so Im of no use to you as regards recommending books these days, now I live in literary theory world where you can get by a hell of a lot easier. :D

[jcs]

While waiting for Steppenwolf (Hesse) and Growth of the Soil (Hamsun) to arrive, I'm reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra again.

[Atlas]

I bought the new book of Michel Houellebecq.

" La possibilité d'une île. "

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

The Prince by Machiavelli
No Common Power by Robert J. Lieber

[Johnson]

oxford history of ancient egypt

[Excorcism]

I'm reading this thread.

[Crowley]

Ourselves Alone & Homeless Jack's Religion by H. Millard.

[jcs]

Narcissus and Goldmund by Hesse.

[jcs]

Narcissus and Goldmund by Hesse.
Finished it earlier tonight and it has easily become my favorite book. Read it.
(Though one should probably read Siddhartha and Steppenwolf first)

[jcs]

Well, I had six hours to kill today, as my first class was cancelled for the day, I have my usual two-hour lunch break, and my writing class doesn't meet again 'til the 14th. My lovely philosophy teacher didn't feel like emailing us about the cancellation, so I woke up late at 6:30 and had to rush to get to class by 8--to find out that I had two hours to kill. So I read Journey to the East by Hesse. Finished that up between noon and 12:30, then began reading The Glass Bead Game (Hesse). I only got about 60 pages into that, as I was listening to some Schulze. Didn't bother checking the book out, though, as I was expecting my shipment from Amazon.com to arrive today. It's only been in the state since Friday night. I don't know what I was thinking, expecting UPS to actually, you know, deliver the books in a reasonable amount of time. Christ, they shipped the stuff across the country in a day, but to get it across the state--!

Journey to the East was basically an autobiography, and semi-interesting, though far too short to really get into. The Glass Bead Game is, thus far, quite good. Having lost faith in UPS, I'll be checking that out on Wednesday (or a book containing four of Bergman's screenplays, if I finish the novel during my four-hour lunch).

[Revolution_of_the_Mind]

I am currently reading:

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Stalin: The First In-Depth Biography Based on Explosive New Documents From Russia's Secret Archives
by Edvard Radzinsky

[Ixtab]

A guide to amateur astronomy.

[Hakluyt]

Citizens by Simon Schama

[jcs]

Hunger by Knut Hamsun.
It reminds me of Catcher in the Rye. Except it doesn't have 'universal appeal' because everyone's gone through confused and lonely teenage years. And it is considerably darker. And I actually like this book.

[Eisenhans]

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich with Mein Kampf as a reading companion.

Best books I've ever read and are vital for the National Socialist mind.

[jcs]

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich with Mein Kampf as a reading companion.
Such works are valuable only for the historian.

vital for the National Socialist mind.
Ah, an historian, I see. A lot of historians spend too much time living in the past...

Best books I've ever read
You need to read more books! Try anything I've mentioned in this thread. And, hey, if you're a cultist who likes to emulate Hitler and other high-ranking Reich officials, look into their favorite books and read said books if only because Hitler&co. enjoyed them.

What bothers me most about National Socialists is that they want to protect German culture, yet are almost entirely unfamiliar with German culture, favoring politics and ideology to anything with substance.

Try reading Hölderlin. Every good Nazi likes Hölderlin.

[jcs]

Hunger by Knut Hamsun.
Finished it. Good bood.

Now...
...Don Quixote or Journey to the End of Night...
...?

[Helios Panoptes]

Finished it. Good bood.

Now...
...Don Quixote or Journey to the End of Night...
...?

You can't go wrong.

Aside from the texts I'm reading as I franticaly scramble to write papers before the semester ends, Runaway Horses by Yukio Mishima.

[Alfred_Dunhill]

Tucker, J. A thousand painted savages: Frontier Virginia and the Southern Highlands, 1770-1774

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Iliaden by Homeros

The Iliad In Swedish.

[Eisenhans]

Can't say I've read the Iliad, but the Oddissey, on the other hand, is excellent.

Might I also recommend in the Germanic mythology: The Nibelungenlied.

[Anarch]

Finished it. Good bood.

Now...
...Don Quixote or Journey to the End of Night...
...?
Don Quixote.

[jcs]

Don Quixote.
I ordered Dore's illustrations for the book, so I will therefore (or just to spite you! :p ) go with Celine for the time being. I'll probably finish that by Wednesday, anyway.

[Gorilla]

#A book on electromagnetic fields und waves

#A book on 'symmetry' (in the mathematical sense)

#Nexus-ufos und stuff

#'The Five Ages Of The Universe'-regarding the decay of ordinary baryonic matter, the formation of matter, the universe, etc.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Liftarens Guide Till Galaxen(The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) by Douglas Adams

[Anarch]

Class: A Guide Through the American Status System - Paul Fussell

[Anarch]

Jewish Power: Inside the American Establishment - J.J. Goldberg

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Den Cherubinske Vandringsmannen by Johann Scheffler

[jcs]

Slowly making my way through Don Quixote. I found Celine to be a good writer, but otherwise unremarkable. Journey to the End of Night was boring (or at least as compared to Don Quixote; God, I love this book).

[The Retard]

Why Johnny Can't Think by Joe Sobran

Intelligence, Race, and Genetics: Conversations with Arthur R. Jensen by Arthur Robert Jensen, Frank Miele

Skeletal Attribution of Race by George W. Gill

[Aule]

The Silence of the Lambs - Thomas Harris
Unpopular Essays - Bertrand Russell
Morgoth's Ring - Christopher Tolkein
The Shaping of Middle Earth - Christopher Tolkein
Coleridge: Pocket Poems Collection

[Ahknaton]

Big Bang - Simon Singh
Fingerprints of the Gods - Graham Hancock

[Berianidze]

Niccolo Machiavelli - The Prince
Random Essays on Soviet Justice by Krylenko

[Anarch]

Recently finished:

Imperium - Francis Parker Yockey
Empire: Rise and Demise of the British World Order - Niall Ferguson

Currently reading:

Collosus: Rise and Fall of the American Empire - Niall Ferguson
Ethics - Aristotle
On War - Carl Von Clausewitz.

[jcs]

Slowly making my way through Don Quixote.
Not having had to kill time by reading while on break, I'm only half through it. Yesterday at work (where I get a lot of reading done), I took a break from Cervantes and read Hamsun's On Overgrown Paths.

[Johnson]

the satanic bible
the good soldier svejk
too loud a solitude by bohumil hrabal

[Banat]

the good soldier svejk

I haven't read it yet, but I know for certain that Hašek was inspired by a Banatian Serb soldier he met in the army when creating Švejk. :)

[jcs]

the satanic bible
...why?

.....

[jcs]

Ubik by P.K. Dick
Microworlds by Stanislaw Lem

Interestingly (awesomely), my English professor had Ubik as one of the choices for books to read on the reading list he gave us.

[jcs]

Ubik by P.K. Dick
Having enjoyed Ubik, I read through Valis, and, well, Dick was fucking insane. I liked Valis nevertheless and am currently reading The Divine Invasion.

[Hakluyt]

Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander
The Revolt of the Masses by Jose Ortega y Gasset

[Atlas]

The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich with Mein Kampf as a reading companion.

Best books I've ever read and are vital for the National Socialist mind.

I found Mein Kampf to be a very boring book, I even skipped some pages. Hitler was definitely not a writer. Rather good propagandist.

[jcs]

The Revolt of the Masses by Jose Ortega y Gasset
I've been meaning to read that. Is it any good?

[Gleb]

Ubik by P.K. Dick
Microworlds by Stanislaw Lem

Interestingly (awesomely), my English professor had Ubik as one of the choices for books to read on the reading list he gave us.

I haven't read Microworlds, is it good? Is Ubik a sci fi too?

[jcs]

I haven't read Microworlds, is it good?
It's a bunch of essays about science fiction, mostly criticism (especially of structuralism in sci-fi), with some praise for Roadside Picnic, PKD, and Borges, and so forth. It's good, because it makes you think about what sci-fi ought to be and directs you to authors who achieved this 'ought.'

Is Ubik a sci fi too?
Yep. It's kind of weird, doesn't really work if analyzed too much, and (despite some interesting twists) has a mediocre ending, due to what is basically a deus ex machina. But Lem liked it, and for good reason.

[Helios Panoptes]

I've been meaning to read that. Is it any good?

Yes, it is. It is commonly understood as a criticism of totalitarian governments. Ironically, this is because this limited interpretation is most comforting to the mass men the book is a denunciation of. In truth, it is a criticism of populism and is at least as applicable to our society of unearned entitlement as the Europe of the 1930s.

[Anarch]

Just finished reading The Outsider - Albert Camus.

Currently reading Haunted - Chuck Palahniuk.

[Slavic Enforcer]

Johnny Rotten - No Irish, No Blacks, No Dogs

(Biography of John Lydon, Sex Pistols)

[Hakluyt]

Revolt of the Masses was good, not a great number of new arguments for me (because so many 20th century writers took up similar themes later), but very well put together and articulated. It's short too, very concise, you can easily get through it in one or two sittings

[Johnson]

Anton LaVey - The Satanic Bible

[jcs]

I finished The Transmigration of Timothy Archer (best of Dick's last three novels, IMO), then read Alfred Bester's The Stars My Destination in one sitting. That is an exceptionally good book. Read it.

[Aule]

The Great Gatsby - F. Scott Fitzgerald

[O'Zebedee]

By Heart: Elizabeth Smart, A Biography - Rosemary Sullivan.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

A book with five short stories by Thomas Mann.

Pretty shitty.

[Dr. No]

Which Way Western Man? by William Gayley Simpson.

A little verbose for my liking.

[Anarch]

The Fountainhead - Ayn Rand.

[il ragno]

Today being an especially appropriate day to curl up with a good 'un, I'm cracking open John Shirley's REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY WEIRD STORIES.

[Vindex]

Meditations by M. Aurelius, kind of boring but a interesting look in the mind of a Roman Emperor.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Faust by J.W von Goethe

[Sulla the Dictator]

"Racial Hygene: Medicine under the Nazis"

--Robert Proctor

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Nibelungsången(Das Nibelungenlied) by Anonymous.

Rereading it.

[Ahknaton]

Teach Yourself Hieroglyphics by Dr Ron Bonewitz

[Anarch]

Storm of Steel - Ernst Jünger.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Svejk by Jaroslav Hasek

[Crowley]

The conservation classic Cadillac Desert: The American West and Its Disappearing Water.

Four stars.

[Faustian Dreams]

Currently Reading: Theogony, Works and Days by Hesiodus

In coming weeks:
Iliad and Odyssey by Homerus
The Aeneid by Virgil
Metamorphoses by Ovid

Then I will begin my journey of documenting the development of Western politics and philosophy. Tell me how it goes in 10 years.

[Jogminas]

Death on the Installment Plan by Louis-Ferdinand Celine. Interestingly, "bardamu" who recently submitted a post is the name of Celine's persona in Death On (Credit) & Journey To The End Of The Night. You can interperet this as a mere coincidence or as evidence of a cosmic consciousness.

[Hakluyt]

Death on the Installment Plan by Louis-Ferdinand Celine. Interestingly, "bardamu" who recently submitted a post is the name of Celine's persona in Death On (Credit) & Journey To The End Of The Night. You can interperet this as a mere coincidence or as evidence of a cosmic consciousness.
I just finished reading The Temporary Autonomous Zone & Ontological Anarchy by Hakim Bey myself, and will in turn interpret this as decidedly the former

[Berianidze]

Obedience to Authority - Stanley Milgram
Capital, vol. 3 - Karl Marx
The Nature and Origins of Mass Opinion - John R. Zaller (just finished)

[WFHermans]

Histories of Herodotus. Real history beats the best fiction. Opinions are not just like assholes, they are for assholes as well. Long live facts.

[sugartits]

Opinions are not just like assholes, they are for assholes as well. Long live facts.

WFHermans: Spokesman for the Age :D

[Fade the Butcher]

Better For All The World: The Secret History of Forced Sterilization and America's Quest for Racial Purity (2005)
by Harry Bruinius

[eggheadbanga]

N.A. Ivnitskii, Kolllektivizatsiia i raskulachivanie: nachalo 30-hg gg. (1997)

[cerberus]

"Bitter Victory" by Carlo D'este - next week when hopefully time will allow.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Beowulf by anonymous
Nils Holgerssons underbara resa genom sverige by Selma Lagerlöf
Min svenska historia by Vilhem Moberg
Om historiens nytta och skada(Vom nutzen und nachteil der Historie für das Leben) by Friedrich Nietzsche

[Anarch]

The Blank Slate - Steven Pinker (Finished)
Nature Via Nurture - Matt Ridley
The Long, Slow Death of the White Australia Policy - Gwenda Tavan
Democracy in America: Volume 1 - Alexis De Tocqueville
On the Soul - Aristotle
The Culture Industry - Theodore Ardono

Soon to read:

Reflections on the Revolution in France - Edmund Burke
Selected Writings - Karl Marx
Motivation and Personality - Abraham Maslow
On Human Nature - E.O. Wilson

[Fade the Butcher]

The Managerial Revolution: What is Happening in the World
by James Burnham

[Fade the Butcher]

Mencken: The American Iconoclast (2005)
by Mario Rodgers

[eggheadbanga]

Pavel Polian, Against Their Will: The History and Geography of Forced Migrations in the USSR, Budapest/New York, 2004

[WFHermans]

How do you get all those new books? You borrow them, steal them? Books have become extremely expensive in the last few years, so the only way to buy them is to work such long hours that you don't have the time to read them.

[OVERWATCH]

How do you get all those new books? You borrow them, steal them? Books have become extremely expensive in the last few years, so the only way to buy them is to work such long hours that you don't have the time to read them.

Public Library?

[Crowley]

How do you get all those new books? You borrow them, steal them? Books have become extremely expensive in the last few years, so the only way to buy them is to work such long hours that you don't have the time to read them.

I use to belong to a private libary although good public libaries are just fine, especially considering interlibrary loan, but now I purchase all my books. New if the author lives, and used if he has passed away, at least that's my rule of thumb, always if it is a still living White author, I purchase new. Take Charles Bukowski, who I used to read everything he published, I always bought his books new, to buy him a drink more or less, but now that he is in Valhalla, who cares? I guess maybe to support his surviving wife, but I don't look at it that way.

[WFHermans]

That is a good reason to buy someone's books and it's the only reason I still buy them: To give the man a drink. :)

That's why I buy all books by Jack Vance, who is still alive now at 90 years and is still writing, although he is blind now.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Den gamle och Havet(The Old Man and the Sea) by Ernest Hemingway

[WFHermans]

I finally figured out how to make Adobe Acrobat remember to open the last page I was reading. Edit - Preferences - Startup - Reopen Documents to last viewed page, All. This means I will read even less paper books than I used to.

The paper book I have been reading for the last half year or so is The History by Herodotos, the first history book that is still completely preserved. Copyright has been expired about 2500 years ago so you can easily find and download it. The jews hate him, because he writes Real History, not politically correct nonsense. Always when Herodotos describes an event he asks himself, did it really happen. A modern historian would ask himself, what is it that the enemies of the truth want me to write.

[cerberus]

"On The Field of Honor" Vol 1. A History of the Knight's Cross bearer's".
Next Vol 2 , then "Speer - The Final Verdict" by Fest.
How do you get all those new books? You borrow them, steal them? Books have become extremely expensive in the last few years, so the only way to buy them is to work such long hours that you don't have the time to read them.
You have to one or two vices or life would be dull and being selective about what you buy is what works best for me.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Den gamle och Havet(The Old Man and the Sea) by Ernest Hemingway

Nice and short.


2001: A Space Odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke

[Ahmadinebobina]

PG WOdehouse.

[Fade the Butcher]

The Eugenics Movement: An Encyclopedia (2005)
by Ruth Clifford Engs

Francis Galton: Pioneer of Heredity and Biometry (2003)
by Michael Blumer

Extreme Measures: The Dark Visions and Bright Ideas of Francis Galton (2004)
by Martin Brookes

[themistocles]

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[Geist]

@ themistocles, that looks good.

My own:

The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayam by Edward Marlborough FitzGerald.

The Essential Jung Ed. Anthony Storr.

Eats, Shoots and Leaves by Lynn Truss.

[Anarch]

How do you get all those new books?

Borrow them, or acquire them.

...steal them?

Do you honestly think any would admit to that?

Books have become extremely expensive in the last few years, so the only way to buy them is to work such long hours that you don't have the time to read them.

Not really. It also depends on what line of work you're in. I'm not a drug dealer though so :p My granddad sends me a cheque every now and then. There's also Christmas and my birthday to look foward two. I get roughly $350 after paying my parents what I owe them for living at home (board) every fortnight. It's not too difficult to buy books. Be careful what you buy. Also, Amazon allows you to buy cheaper, quite fine books through their 'zShops' thing.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Dr. Bloodmoney by Philip K. Dick

[Empress Cheesatine]

Im reading Understanding Jewish Influence: A Study in Ethnic Activism which is a collection of essays by Kevin MacDonald. Very good stuff. Most of the sources mentioned are Jewish.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Anteckningar från källarhålet(Zapiski iz podpolja) by Dostojevskij

[ironweed]

I finally figured out how to make Adobe Acrobat remember to open the last page I was reading. Edit - Preferences - Startup - Reopen Documents to last viewed page, All. This means I will read even less paper books than I used to.


My eyes start to water quite bad after reading about fifteen pages of text on-line, so I could never do a whole book that way. :( And I never have this problem with a paper book.

[Lionheart]

Nibelungenlied
Nicomachean Ethics
Crime and Punishment

[Anarch]

The Extended Phenotype - Richard Dawkins
The Archeology of Knowledge - Michel Foucault

[Geist]

The Extended Phenotype - Richard Dawkins
The Archeology of Knowledge - Michel Foucault

Bah, didn't you make the philosophy as mental masturbation comment the other day :D

See my sig and join the Group to Save Foucault from Leftism Front.

[Berianidze]

Inervention and Reflection: Issues of Medical Ethics - Ronald Munson
"Psychological Analysis of Types of Political Actors" - Fred Greenstein
"Similarities and differences among Left and Right Wing Radicals" - McClosky and Chong

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Stäppvargen(Der steppenwolf) by Hermann Hesse

[Anarch]

Bah, didn't you make the philosophy as mental masturbation comment the other day :D

See my sig and join the Group to Save Foucault from Leftism Front.
Foucault was a lefty.

Philosophy is mental masturbation. I'm reading it for sociology class :D

Finished reading:

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
The Brothers Karamazov - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Manufacturing Discontent : The Trap of Individualism in Corporate Society - Michael Perelman.

I highly recommend the last book to you Fade.

[Geist]

Foucault was a lefty.

Philosophy is mental masturbation. I'm reading it for sociology class :D

Disagree, sociology (Marxism :p ) has appropiated Foucault, he mentions quite a few times that he is apolitical. I believe him over whatever sociology professor thinks using the word discurcive strategies to make his course sound po-mo :D

Why are you studying Sociology?

Finished reading:

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland - Lewis Carroll
The Brothers Karamazov - Fyodor Dostoyevsky



Good choices.

[Anarch]

Disagree, sociology (Marxism :p ) has appropiated Foucault, he mentions quite a few times that he is apolitical. I believe him over whatever sociology professor thinks using the word discurcive strategies to make his course sound po-mo :D

He's apolitical, professes support for gay movements, prison reform, feminism, etc. Leftism does not equal marxism. He's a leftist :P

Why are you studying Sociology?

Because it's easy, and I'm doing the decent internationa politics subject this semester. Also, I get to annoy the fuck out of my sociology teacher, who is a feminist that happened to also be my tutor for political ideologies last year. I used to correct her on Marx, Stirner, Burke, etc. She hates me. :D

Good choices.

Finished reading Platos' Euthyphro, Apology, and Crito last night.

[Geist]

He's apolitical, professes support for gay movements, prison reform, feminism, etc. Leftism does not equal marxism. He's a leftist :P

Bah, I prefer to call all that identity politics, most of the gays I know are anything but lefties (obsessed with money, mocking others etc.,), prison reform, well we have all seen Oz now havent we :rofl: So I say fair enough Michel. Feminism, hmm I give in and stand corrected.

Because it's easy, and I'm doing the decent internationa politics subject this semester. Also, I get to annoy the fuck out of my sociology teacher, who is a feminist that happened to also be my tutor for political ideologies last year. I used to correct her on Marx, Stirner, Burke, etc. She hates me. :D

I know one guy doing sociology who hasnt been completely sucked in, like you he did it simply for the credits; in fact it has kind of radicalised him away from good causes which is hilarious. Mind you he once sent me a text message saying 'Make petrol out of the poor' because he had to get a public bus :D

Finished reading Platos' Euthyphro, Apology, and Crito last night.

Bah, starting my thesis I have had to abandon all of the interesting books I'd been musing over. Plato was back on the list with some Aristotle just for a refresher.

[Anarch]

Bah, I prefer to call all that identity politics, most of the gays I know are anything but lefties (obsessed with money, mocking others etc.,), prison reform, well we have all seen Oz now havent we :rofl: So I say fair enough Michel. Feminism, hmm I give in and stand corrected.

Haha. I don't deal with gay people anymore. I successfully escaped high school. Become an Anticitizen, btw. You could be Anticitizen 4.0. My friend Simon and I are going to form an Anticitizen collective at university I think. We're working on a list of the prerequisite texts for entry into the Anticitizenry. My friend Alan (mentioned below) is going to form the Ministry of Disinformation of the Anticitizen MisGovernment.

I know one guy doing sociology who hasnt been completely sucked in, like you he did it simply for the credits; in fact it has kind of radicalised him away from good causes which is hilarious. Mind you he once sent me a text message saying 'Make petrol out of the poor' because he had to get a public bus :D

Yeah, that's a good one. Then there's 'fill that hole in your life with a product'. Ah, my friend Alan and I thought up heaps of good ones. We're thinking of making huge posters out of them and putting them up all over Melbourne at some point. 'WELCOME TO AIRSTRIP ONE' hanging down the side of Rialto Tower. It would be brilliant. Rialto Tower is also the highest building in Melbourne. We'd probably get arrested. And then laughed at by a judge, a week in gaol, and then released. :cool:

Bah, starting my thesis I have had to abandon all of the interesting books I'd been musing over. Plato was back on the list with some Aristotle just for a refresher.

Thesis = gayness.

I haven't read anything today. I'm thinking of... I'm not thinking right now.

[Geist]

Haha. I don't deal with gay people anymore. I successfully escaped high school. Become an Anticitizen, btw. You could be Anticitizen 4.0. My friend Simon and I are going to form an Anticitizen collective at university I think. We're working on a list of the prerequisite texts for entry into the Anticitizenry. My friend Alan (mentioned below) is going to form the Ministry of Disinformation of the Anticitizen MisGovernment.

What exactly is an AntiCitizen and show me the list of texts.

Yeah, that's a good one. Then there's 'fill that hole in your life with a product'. Ah, my friend Alan and I thought up heaps of good ones. We're thinking of making huge posters out of them and putting them up all over Melbourne at some point. 'WELCOME TO AIRSTRIP ONE' hanging down the side of Rialto Tower. It would be brilliant. Rialto Tower is also the highest building in Melbourne. We'd probably get arrested. And then laughed at by a judge, a week in gaol, and then released. :cool:

You should become one of those people who fucks with advertising, or a stenciller who isnt all about pictures of Bush and No Blood for Oil, in fact people might like stencil graffiti if we stencil, 'kill the homeless' on the walls, secretly of course, publicaly they would be upset :rofl:

[Anarch]

What exactly is an AntiCitizen and show me the list of texts.

You're already an Anticitizen, simply by virtue of the fact you're me if I had've gone leftist instead of Nutzist.

The list of texts is not complete, but thus far includes (those who already are Anticitizens don't need to read the books - those who seek to become Anticitizens should read the books):

American Psycho - Bret Easton Ellis
Fight Club - Chuck Palahniuk
Manufacturing Consent - Noam Chomsky
Manufacturing Discontent - Michael Perelmen
Thus Spoke Zarathustra - Friedrich Nietzsche
The Will to Power - Friedrich Nietzsche
The Ego and Its Own - Max Stirner
1984 - George Orwell
Brave New World - Aldous Huxley
Jennifer Government - Max Barry
Men Amongst the Ruins - Julius Evola

We're still working on the list.

You should become one of those people who fucks with advertising, or a stenciller who isnt all about pictures of Bush and No Blood for Oil, in fact people might like stencil graffiti if we stencil, 'kill the homeless' on the walls, secretly of course, publicaly they would be upset :rofl:

Of course they would :D Culture jamming is fun. Alan, Simon (who I think will be Anticitizen 5.0 when he joins) and I are working on some ideas.

[Hakluyt]

Lol, Jennifer Government, I remember that from nation-states.net ages ago, was it actually any good?

Right now I'm reading The Patriot Game by Peter Brimelow (the anti-immigration VDare guy), about Canadian political history, which our now-PM Stephen Harper has cited as one of his greatest influences.

New on my shelf but not things I intend to read right away:

The Story of Philosophy by Will Durant
Agrarian Socialism by SM Lipset
Self Condemned by Wyndham Lewis
Eyeless in Gaza by Aldous Huxley

[Geist]

I fit all the neccessary criteria, when do I get to have a fancy AntiCitizen logo and name?

[Anarch]

Of course. I'm not sure about logo (you mean avatar and signature?) but I can make you Anticitizen 1.0b if you wish.

[Geist]

Sounds good.

[sugartits]

Of course they would :D Culture jamming is fun. Alan, Simon (who I think will be Anticitizen 5.0 when he joins) and I are working on some ideas.

:D Check out what some other Aussies have been doing:

http://www.smh.com.au/multimedia/jamming/bbustersSMH.html

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Den Svarta Katten by Edgar Allan Poe

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Spöket på Canterville by Oscar Wilde

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Främlingen(L'etranger) by Albert Camus

[Geist]

A collection of Algernon Charles Swinburne poems.

A collection of the poet-singers Mirabai and Sur-das from India, bhakti stuff.

The Decadent Dillemma, some stuff on the Raj as well as a very quick browse through the work of Walter Pater!

[Alaina]

Said- Secular Criticism.

[Anarch]

The Divided Self - R. D. Liang.

@ Michaelis: read this book. You'd enjoy it, I think.

[Johnson]

Bohumil Hrabal - Too Loud A Solitude

[Geist]

The Divided Self - R. D. Liang.

@ Michaelis: read this book. You'd enjoy it, I think.

Old school book, picked it up in an Oxfam shop years ago. Interesting but I'll admit to being averse to psychology.

[Geist]

Said- Secular Criticism.

Just started with Orientalism, have you read it and if so what do you think? I've major reservations about many of his points in that book.

[Alaina]

Just started with Orientalism, have you read it and if so what do you think? I've major reservations about many of his points in that book.
I haven't read Orientalism. Secular Criticism is his critique of strict 'textuality' in literary criticism---he says we ought to acknowledge the inherently socio- political nature of such works. I bet you do have some reservations; I do as well. He's very far left, with an overwhelmingly annoying 'minority whine' to his song and dance. Although I was annoyed with that, I was still able to enjoy points he made about the problems of strict textuality in criticism.

[Micaelis]

The Divided Self - R. D. Liang.

@ Michaelis: read this book. You'd enjoy it, I think.

I'll pick it up, thanks for the recommendation.

[Geist]

I haven't read Orientalism. Secular Criticism is his critique of strict 'textuality' in literary criticism---he says we ought to acknowledge the inherently socio- political nature of such works. I bet you do have some reservations; I do as well. He's very far left, with an overwhelmingly annoying 'minority whine' to his song and dance. Although I was annoyed with that, I was still able to enjoy points he made about the problems of strict textuality in criticism.

Sounds interesting, although I have my reservations my thesis means at the very least I need to recognise his contribution to studies of the East. His pretty much post colonialism a topic worthy of debate.

I'll let you know if Orientalism is any good, maybe make a post with some of the criticisms I have. Mind you that book sound quite good, so maybe I'll check that out at some stage as well.

[Geist]

@ Micaelis and Aliana

The two of you are interested in Philosophy and Literary Theory/Criticism, I expect some threads off you, the place needs some of that from time to time ;)

[Jofreidr_1488]

-- Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke

-- Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground by Michael Moynihan & Didrik Søderlind

[Ahknaton]

-- Black Sun: Aryan Cults, Esoteric Nazism and the Politics of Identity by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke
I wouldn't mind getting a copy of that. Is it very good?
-- Lords of Chaos: The Bloody Rise of the Satanic Metal Underground by Michael Moynihan & Didrik Søderlind
There is a review of this book by Varg Vikernes on his website:

http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/lords_of_chaos_review.shtml

[Fade the Butcher]

The Blind Watchmaker
by Richard Dawkins

[A. Radek]

I just finished with Jared Taylor's Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations In Contemporary America. Well, I read through a lot of it. He conveniently leaves out a lot of stuff, and it's mostly just anecdotal.

Hugh Graham's The Civil Rights Era does a much better, and infinitely more detailed job of criticizing how the government distorts and undermines the intent of affirmative action and civil rights legislation.

As an aside, the Ivy League and private colleges, and many public ones as well, have no reason to whine about set asides and quotas for admitting unqualified students until they get rid of their 'Legacy' admissions policies, the kind that allows semi-literate cretins like George W. Bush, and his father for that matter, to 'graduate' with degrees from supposedl 'academically prestigious' universities like Yale and Harvard.

[Fade the Butcher]

As an aside, the Ivy League and private colleges, and many public ones as well, have no reason to whine about set asides and quotas for admitting unqualified students until they get rid of their 'Legacy' admissions policies, the kind that allows semi-literate cretins like George W. Bush, and his father for that matter, to 'graduate' with degrees from supposedl 'academically prestigious' universities like Yale and Harvard.

The salience of legacy in the admissions process at top public and private universities is blown way of proportion. The average student at an Ivy League university like Harvard or Yale has an IQ significantly above the American mean. The quality of the people who attend these institutions today is far higher than was the case several generations ago.

[Dan Dare]

I am just starting out with Volume I of Norman Davies' updated and revised God's Playground - A History of Poland. This volume covers the history of the Poles and Poland from the early 10C to partition in 1795.

[Donny the Punk]

Norman Davies is not very good. I was especially appalled at the way he anglicised all the Polish names in Rising '44 because he assumed the average person would be too stupid to pronounce them. Try Adam Zamoyski's The Polish Way instead.

[Dan Dare]

I beg to differ.

Norman Davies generally considered to the best English-speaking writer on Poland (He speaks Polish too).

Not just my close relatives in Poland, but also the New York Times Review of Books share this view:

"...Superbly readable... Davies understands and exqisitely conveys the importance of historical consciousness in Polish life.. This is beyond doubt not only the best book on Poland in the English language, it is the book on Poland. Anyone writing on Polish affairs - past or present - will have to read it. It is a masterly work".

I can also highly recommend Davies' "Microcosm", the history of the city of Breslau/Wroclaw.

I have Uprising in my library but it as yet unread.

[Donny the Punk]

Davies is certainly the most popular Polish historian, but is far from being the best. Zamoyski writes in English, also speaks Polish, as well as Italian, French and Russian. The latter two are indispensible for any history of Poland, especially in the revolutionary period. Zamoyski's relentless reliance on primary sources (which can he read in the original) also makes him a far fitter scholar.

The New York Times Books Review? Honestly, Dan, who would sink so low. The NYT regularly rubber-stamps garbage and Americans wouldn't know good continental history if it bit them on the ass. Unfortunately my archives of the Times of London and the TLS only extend to 1990 and 1985, respectively, but according to more than one site, Bernard Levin wrote of it in the former that "Adam Zamoyski's The Polish Way is a stunner; a comprehensive history of Poland....Clear, calm, beautifully written, its scope is enormous, its story enthralling and its illustrations magnificent."

He has the imprimatur of Antony Beevor, Michael Burleigh, Alan Palmer, Simon Montefiore and John Lukacs - among other historical giants - whose professional opinions I hold in far greater esteem than New World literary critics. Anyone who holds his readers in as much contempt as Davies evinced in Rising has a long way to go yet.

[Dan Dare]

Well, I will certainly look up Zamoyski, but let me assure you Davies is extremely well-regarded in Poland, having earned his Ph. D. at Krakow. I had not known of his elevated stature there until my Polish relatives made me aware of it. His iconoclastic stance on the Polish dimension of the H of course has not won him many friends in US academic circles, which may be where you are picking up negative vibes. But in Poland he is considered the bees knees.

His tours de horizon on Briitsh and European history generally are, of course, equally well-regarded. Even as an English Nationalist I found The Isles particularly impressive.

[Donny the Punk]

His iconoclastic stance on the Polish dimension of the H of course has not won him many friends in US academic circles, which may be where you are picking up negative vibes.
What's this? :confused:

[Dan Dare]

What's this? :confused:

I seem to recall some brouhaha in the academy about Davies' proposition that the Nazis were equally beastly to both Polish Jews and Polish gentiles, and that this was interpreted in certain circles as being threatening to the unique ranking of the H as the sine qua non in historical beastliness.

[Donny the Punk]

How odd. The two groups certainly weren't treated equally (poorly), but I've not heard of this academic consternation before now.

[Dan Dare]

How odd. The two groups certainly weren't treated equally (poorly), but I've not heard of this academic consernation before now.

I'd advise you not to broadcast your thoughts on the relatively benign treatment of native Poles by the Nazis should you find yourself on a visit to Poland.

[Donny the Punk]

I never called it relatively benign; that's a gross exaggeration of my position. As the only supporter of Polish nationalism and culture on this forum for the last five years, I've more than catalogued Nazi atrocities against the gentile population. But there is an undeniable difference between a train ride to Auschwitz and being reduced to a fourth-grade education to work as slave labourers (though both are beastly). I'm also well-aware of the millions of Polish gentiles murdered by the Nazis, but I'm sure that topic gets short shrift in your opinion of 'the H'.

[Dan Dare]

I never called it relatively benign; that's a gross exaggeration of my position. As the only supporter of Polish nationalism and culture on this forum for the last five years, I've more than catalogued Nazi atrocities against the gentile population. But there is an undeniable difference between a train ride to Auschwitz and being reduced to a fourth-grade education to work as slave labourers (though both are beastly). I'm also well-aware of the millions of Polish gentiles murdered by the Nazis, but I'm sure that topic gets short shrift in your opinion of 'the H'.

Many Poles also got a train ride to Auschwitz, as well as many other unpleasant places. I thought that was quite well established.

I believe that was Davies' point also, one which you appear to be resisting.

[Donny the Punk]

Not at all, but this was not policy for all Poles whereas it was for all Jews. The salient difference between Nazi attitudes toward each group is clearly demarcated by the wall of the Warsaw Ghetto.

[Fade the Butcher]

DNA: The Secret of Life (2003)
by James Watson

The Moral Animal: The New Science of Evolutionary Psychology (1996)
by Robert Wright

The Closing of the Western Mind: The Rise of Faith and the Fall of Reason (2004)
by Charles Freeman

[Geist]

The Golden Bough by Sir James George Frazer (1922)

I'm basically reading this to help understand Eliots The Waste Land on a personal level. Theres a few more I'll have to take a look at but this work is 700 pages long in an abridged version and 12 volumes in full. I doubt I'll ever have time to read all of them mind, let alone afford them. I can of course work my way through my Uni's Library editions one day.

Also a Collection of Kiplings poems with an introductory essay by Orwell.

Trying to understand whether Kipling is this jingoist, pro-imperialist we always hear of. I assumed so but when I began reading his poems it just didnt add up, what with the fascination with cockney soldiers, sgts. telling us how the collies are better men and so on. He has given us some amazing lines such 'the female of the species is more deadly than the male as well as the whites mans burden'. Ha!

[Jofreidr_1488]

I wouldn't mind getting a copy of that. Is it very good?


Yes. It is a rather, hhmmm. diverse (hehe) work looking into all sorts of different stuff from nazi ufos, nazi hindus (savitri devi) to conspiracy theories... There is something for everyone in Black Sun!

The copy at the library(!) I have been reading is of the newer 2003 revised edition.

Here is a copy of the table of contents to give oneself a better idea of the topics covered:

1 American Neo-Nazism
2 The British Nazi Underground
3 Julius Evola and the Kali Yuga
4 Imperium and the New Atlantis
5 Savitri Devi and the Hitler Avatar
6 The Nazi Mysteries
7 Wilhelm Landig and the Esoteric SS
8 Nazi UFOs, Antarctica and Aldebaran
9 Miguel Serrano and Esoteric Hitlerism
10 White Noise and black metal
12 Nazi Satanism and the New Aeon
13 Christian Identity and Creativity
14 Nordic Racial Paganism
15 Conspiracy Beliefs and the New World Order

Conclusion: The Politics of Identity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sun_(book_by_Goodrick-Clarke)

When it comes to Varg Vikernes critique of Lords of Chaos one must remember that the book is NOT ONLY about Varg and also has some good stuff on the history of Black Metal (King Diamond, Venom, Bathory...) to even Jungian Analysis of some aspects of Black Metal and other interesting topics.

[Faustian Dreams]

Just finished: Greening the Ivory Tower by Sarah Hammond Creighton.

Not a bad read, actually--it provided me with a few pages of useful numbers, statistics and suggestions to be able to form a solid argument for my proposal and resolution to my college's Board of Trustees about revising the "Mission Statement" to embrace environmental initiatives. Politics and cranky old farts don't appeal to me much, but it's a job that's got to be done! It must, however, be heavily supplemented with more spiritually satisfying literature...

Next up:
Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky (during finals, simply because it's so short)
The Complete Works of Aristotle, Volume I.

I haven't read any of his work and I'm already 19. Truly a shame, isn't it? I guess I'm making up for the lack of proper education, which can be accredited to my school trying to shove multicultural literature down our throats--Toni Morrison anyone!? People spend too much time trying to make racial harmony second nature to give us proper sustenance!

Anyway, this edition, distributed by Bolligen, is the first volume of a 2500 page collection. The first edition, which contains his Analytics, Topics, Physics, De Anima, and his various cosmological, physical and biological writings seems like it should provide good insight into what sort of framework he builds his social philosophy upon.

[Geist]

so you intend on working your way through all of aristotle? how many volumes? im fortunate enough to have had an obsessive aristotelian in my philosophy dept. and one day when everything winds down i intend on doing the same as yourself.

[Anarch]

so you intend on working your way through all of aristotle? how many volumes? im fortunate enough to have had an obsessive aristotelian in my philosophy dept. and one day when everything winds down i intend on doing the same as yourself.

Two volumes, I own both myself. I spend most of the time in which I focus on Aristotle by reading his social philosophy.

[Geist]

Two volumes, I own both myself. I spend most of the time in which I focus on Aristotle by reading his social philosophy.

looks expsensive enough on amazon, though worth an investment at some stage. his virtue ethics always intrigued me and reading macintyres book kind of rekindled an old interest in the guy. i had planned on doing my thesis in philosophy on aristotle, i even had a supervisor before i switched to english.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Brott och Straff(Prestuplenije i nakzanilje) by Fjodor Dostojevskij

[Anarch]

War Against the Weak: Eugenics and America's Campaign to Create a Master Race - Edwin Black
American Empire and the Fourth World - Anthony J. Hall.

The last book appears rather lefty, but interesting so far IMO.

[Anarch]

Main Currents of Marxism - Leszek Kolakowski

One volume edition. Birthday presents rock.

[Aule]

Bought these the other day.

The Stranger - Albert Camus
Hannibal - Thomas Harris
Red Dragon - Thomas Harris
Notes From the Underground and The Gambler - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
The Brothers Karamazov - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
Paradise Lost - John Milton
Starship Troopers - Robert A. Heinlein
Parker's Astrology - Derek & Julia Parker

[Meursault]

I just finished reading The Battle of Britain. I meant to start a thread on it actually. I'm currently reading a book about algebra(oh the fun), a book about psychology and A Rough Guide To The History of the United States.

The Stranger - Albert Camus

:)

[Ravenheart]

Sick Societies: Challenging the Myth of Primitive Harmony ~Robert B. Edgerton
Anthropological Theory: An Introductory History ~R. Jon McGee and Ricard L. Warms (editors)
Redesigning Humans: Our Inevitable Genetic Future ~Gregory Stock

[Ahmadinebobina]

leonard cohen's novel :P

schapiro - on the aesthetic attitude in romanesque art'

hermann hesse - demien

robin cormack - byzantine art

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

A Confederacy of Dunces by John Kennedy Toole

[Geist]

Modern English Writers - Harold Williams

Fate Knows No Tears - Jennifer Carter

Selected Poetry - E.E. Cummings

Selected Writings - Arthur Symons

The Edward Said Reader

[Daniel Shays]

The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.

1927 hardcover with a dedication from father to son.:cool:

[Geist]

The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.

1927 hardcover with a dedication from father to son.:cool:

Which father to which son, for the philistines among us.

[anti-climacus]

The Conquest of New Spain - Diaz

[Anarch]

There's a copy of that in the library at my university, which suprises me to no end.

The Da Vinci Code - Dan Brown

[Crowley]

Deserts on the March. Sears.

This is a classic.

[Daniel Shays]

Which father to which son, for the philistines among us.
Just a dedication from a father to his son who was given the book as a gift, sadly it is not dated.

[Ravenheart]

There's a copy of that in the library at my university, which suprises me to no end.

I too was pleasantly surprised with the racial material available at my university library. :)

[Jofreidr_1488]

The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.

1927 hardcover with a dedication from father to son.:cool:

Also available online for anyone who wants to read this very good book:

The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy (http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/stoddard/)

[WFHermans]

For those reading books online, how do you keep track of where you are in the book?

[Hakluyt]

Write it down on a piece of paper or in a text file.

[Dan Dare]

History on Trial, My Day in Court with David Irving, Deborah E. Lipstadt.

Our local Book Warehouse, which sells remainders only, had a very sizeable stack of them, and since they had a 'buy three books get a fourth free' deal on, it was too good to pass up.

[Sulla the Dictator]

Ivan's War: Life and Death in the Red Army, 1939-1945

by Catherine Merridale

[IlluSionS667]

Last two books I was reading before I came to Poland :

Psychology as a Natural Science - Applied to the Solution of Occult Psychic Phenomena
Author : CG Raue
Printed : 1889

Van Heidendom tot Paganisme - Studiën over Vrijmetselarij (Eng: From Heathendom to Paganism - Studies of Freemasonry)
Author : Jac P van Term
Printed : 1925

I still have to finish reading both.

[eggheadbanga]

Ivan's War: Life and Death in the Red Army, 1939-1945

by Catherine Merridale

she was my internal-university examiner for my PhD viva voce. The external was Hew Strachan, author of the big fat book on WWI. Both very nice professors, as you'd expect.

latest reading:
Kelley Armstrong, Broken (sixth in series - I likes a bit of trashy horror, me)
Robert Fisk, The Great War for Civilisation

otherwise the usual grimness. You know, books about Nazis 'n' stuff. :eek:

[IlluSionS667]

otherwise the usual grimness. You know, books about Nazis 'n' stuff. :eek:

If you want some refreshing views, try some pre-WW2 literature on the topic. At that time, both supporters and opposers of the NSDAP provided a view on this party that is rather different from what one is used to reading in post-war literature.

[Jofreidr_1488]

The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien.

I have tried in the past to get into this trilogy (especialy since it seems to be so popular in WN circles, Stormfront has an entire forum devoted to it and National Vanguard have put up numerous articles about LOTR,) but could never get past the first few chapters. Why the heck should I care about some tiny hobbits? Also there is the issue of Tolkien saying that the work is 'fundamentally Catholic' to get the priests to lay off of him about putting so much Pagan stuff into a book.

It appears what is needed is a new approach: Pro-Sauronism!

'There's a lot of Norse mythology in Tolkien. We were drawn to Sauron and his lot, and not the hobbits, those stupid little dwarves. I hate dwarves and elves. The elves are fair, but typically Jewish—arrogant, saying, "We are the chosen ones." So I don't like them. But you have Barad-dur, the tower of Sauron and you have Hlidskjalf, the tower of Odin; you have Sauron's all seeing eye, and then Odin's one eye; the ring of power, and Odin's ring Draupnir; the trolls are like typical Berserks, big huge guys who went berserk, and the Uruk-Hai are like the Ulfhethnar, the wolfcoats. This wolf element is typically heathen. So I sympathize with Sauron. That's partly why I became interested in occultism, because it was a so-called "dark" thing. I was drawn to Sauron, who was supposedly "dark and evil," so I realized there had to be connection. That's the reason I liked the book in the first place, because of the veil of hidden mythology (Lords of Chaos p. 150).'

Link (http://www.tolkien-music.com/songs/burzum2.html)

Hail Sauron!

Hail Odin!

[Sinclair]

"Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco. Just finished "Going Postal" by Terry Pratchett.

[Micaelis]

Georges Bataille - Sovereignty

[RichardL]

World of Wonders- Robertson Davies and La Chute by Albert Camus in French.

[anti-climacus]

Sophocles - Antigone
Plato - Apology

[Professor John Frink]

Ronald W. Langacker - Grammar and Conceptualization

[Ravenheart]

The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien.

I have tried in the past to get into this trilogy [...] but could never get past the first few chapters. Why the heck should I care about some tiny hobbits?

You should press on. It gets better, more mature.

[Faustian Dreams]

"Faces in a Cloud: Intersubjectivity in Personality Theory" by George Atwood and Robert Stolorow.

The first fifteen pages have been quite interesting, actually, although I've a creeping suspicion that my professor intends on declaring all of reality to be relative somewhere among these pages. There are many connections to be made with what philosophy I've delved into more deeply, however, so that is quite fun.

A very fine gentleman; we discussed Bach's music during one lecture, and Heidegger will be the subject later on in the session. Downside: I'm required to read Freud's work, namely "Civilization and Its Discontents," although I believe that this is about his discussion of Eros and Thanatos as the two diametrically opposed drives in life, and that is something I've come to experience firsthand, namely between the role of creator and critic. (We are gods when we create, and merely scientistics when we dust off our magnifying glasses to criticize, to analyze in a dusty chamber lined with antiquated, forgotten texts.) Upside: I get to read "Memories, Dreams and Reflections" by Jung, which I happen to have purchased with a slew of other books a few months ago. I believe I will enjoy reading Jung's work, of whose work I am just barely familiar with.

[Draugen]

Rig Veda
A Vedic Reader - Macdonell, Arthur Anthony
Mémoires d'Hadrien - Yourcenar, Marguerite (my French is horrid :(; I'm trying to do something about it)
...random History books
Latin Grammar(!) :( :( :(

I'm almost finishing Revolt Against the Modern World by Evola and the Republic by Plato.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

Pesten(La Peste) by Albert Camus.

I've read Dr. Futurity by Philip K. Dick

[Anarch]

The Lord of the Rings - J.R.R. Tolkien

[Berianidze]

Law's Empire - Ronal Dworkin

[Geist]

Ted Malone's Favourite Stories.

Penguin Guide to Punctuation.

[Ravenheart]

I just acquired Plotinus' Enneads.

[harjit]

A Wizard of Earthsea by Ursuala Le Guin

[Fade the Butcher]

Darwin: The Indelible Stamp
by James Watson

The Selfish Gene
by Richard Dawkins

[Crowley]

Put down Fight Club for being trendy, banal, and gay.

Am preceding into a promising book on crows called Crows. Oriana Fallaci lays on the couch to be read in small increments: The Force of Reason. Fallaci is an Aryan goddess.

[Walpurgisnachtstraum]

The city and the stars by Arthur C. Clarke

[Hachiko]

A Storm of Swords by George R.R. Martin
The Song of Ice and Fire series is utterly amazing.For the last year I've been alternating them and Pratchett's Discworld.
Recently I'd given in to peer pressure and read DaVinci Code....my better senses are still giving me a mental thrashing for that mistake.:whip:

[Lionheart]

The Long Discourses of the Buddha

[OVERWATCH]

Yakuza, by David E. Kaplan and Alec Dubro

[Sudaev]

South to the Naktong, North to the Yalu, by Roy Appleman.

[Crowley]

Healing With Whole Foods: Asian Traditions and Modern Nutrition by Paul Pritchford

The Power of Israel in the United States
James Petras

[Daniel Shays]

Marxism and the National and Colonial Question by Joseph Stalin.

A comprehensive volume of his writings and speeches pertaining to questions of nationalities and colonies. Originally published in 1934.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Caesar: The Life of a Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy

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[Draugen]

The Epic of Gilgamesh
Anna Karennina - Leo Tolstoy

[Sean]

Plato - The Laws (I'm currently in the process of reading several of his dialogues.)
Plutarch - various Lives

[Dr. Gutberlet]

A Storm of Swords by George R.R. Martin
The Song of Ice and Fire series is utterly amazing.For the last year I've been alternating them and Pratchett's Discworld.
Recently I'd given in to peer pressure and read DaVinci Code....my better senses are still giving me a mental thrashing for that mistake.:whip:


Reading SoS for the second time. Awesome series!

[Helios Panoptes]

Plato - The Laws (I'm currently in the process of reading several of his dialogues.)

I recently read his Laws. What is your opinion of it?

[TruthSeeker]

The Grays by Whitley Strieber.

[Sean]

I recently read his Laws. What is your opinion of it?

Right now I am still on book two, so I can't comment on the whole. But so far, I've come across some interesting parts. In particular his discussion of education, where he states that the main goal of the educator us to shape children so that they find pleasure in what is just (someone who knows the Greek can feel free to mention any nuances of meaning that are missed in translation), and barring that, it is ok to lie in order to get people to believe that. What's interesting about this is the association of pleasure with what is just. He constructs an argument for why it must be the case that they are associated, but why couldn't he just admit that sometimes there are things which are pleasurable which aren't just? I think that even the most ardent moralists would. Does Plato need to lie to himself? That seems utterly obvious. What's also interesting is that what is just, of course, is eternal and unchanging, so naturally the musical forms must never change.

I am of the opinion, as you know, that art shouldn't be discerned rationally, which is the opposite of what Plato thinks is good. He thinks that we should discover what is just, and then find music that fits it, and by subjecting people to it in the process of educating them a desire can inculcated in them for what is just. I think that naturally this is the same thing as what modern totalitarian governments like the Nazis did, banning artwork because it didn't fit with their ideology. Doing such a thing, I think, would lead to sterility in culture.

In sum, so far I see all the elements of totalitarianism in Plato's political thought. I think that many questions can be raised as to how essential these elements are to Plato's thought, and how essential they are to philosophy in general (answering the former, I think, is sufficient to answering the latter). Anyway, Plato is very nuanced thinker, which is something that I have come to discover in my readings of him over the past month or so, so I can't wait to see what more insights are uncovered in my further readings.

[Helios Panoptes]

He constructs an argument for why it must be the case that they are associated, but why couldn't he just admit that sometimes there are things which are pleasurable which aren't just? I think that even the most ardent moralists would. Does Plato need to lie to himself? That seems utterly obvious.

Yes, it does seem obvious. First of all, that argument is so flimsy that there is no way that it could be believed by a person of Plato's eminence. Also, he states soon after that even if it were true that the argument did not sufficiently demonstrate its point, it should still not be permitted under any condition to state that the unjust man can lead a happy life, and The Athenian says that children would believe it because they believe in far more improbable myths(he gives an example). It's a "noble lie."

What's also interesting is that what is just, of course, is eternal and unchanging, so naturally the musical forms must never change.

It's presented that way, but I don't see why different individuals could not exemplify the same universals. I.e., different musical forms could exemplify justice.

I don't know if you got to it yet, but there's a part where he praises Egypt for never changing the artistic forms, and Klinias and Megillus concur that this is a great thing, of course.

[Leshrac]

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[Sean]

Yes, it does seem obvious. First of all, that argument is so flimsy that there is no way that it could be believed by a person of Plato's eminence. Also, he states soon after that even if it were true that the argument did not sufficiently demonstrate its point, it should still not be permitted under any condition to state that the unjust man can lead a happy life, and The Athenian says that children would believe it because they believe in far more improbable myths(he gives an example). It's a "noble lie."

It was also the goal of his work in the Republic, I think, to show that the just life was the best and happiest, and to refute Thrasymachus' view that the unjust are better off. I guess Plato thinks that there would be no reason to be just if it wasn't the most enjoyable kind of life.

It's presented that way, but I don't see why different individuals could not exemplify the same universals. I.e., different musical forms could exemplify justice.

I don't know if you got to it yet, but there's a part where he praises Egypt for never changing the artistic forms, and Klinias and Megillus concur that this is a great thing, of course.

Yes, I got to that part. I remember someone (Petr, I think) posting an excerpt of it here, so I was looking forward to it. It reminds me of this Nietzsche passage:

You ask me which of the philosophers' traits are really idiosyncrasies? ... For example, their lack of historical sense, their hatred of the very idea of becoming, their Egypticism. They think that they show their respect for a subject when they de-historicize it, sub specie aeterni—when they turn it into a mummy. All that philosophers have handled for thousands of years have been concept-mummies; nothing real escaped their grasp alive. When these honorable idolators of concepts worship something, they kill it and stuff it; they threaten the life of everything they worship. Death, change, old age, as well as procreation and growth, are to their minds objections—even refutations. Whatever has being does not become; whatever becomes does not have being ... Now they all believe, desperately even, in what has being. But since they never grasp it, they seek for reasons why it is kept from them. "There must be mere appearance, there must be some deception which prevents us from perceiving that which has being: where is the deceiver?"— "We have found him," they cry ecstatically; "it is the senses! These senses, which are so immoral in other ways too, deceive us concerning the true world. Moral: let us free ourselves from the deception of the senses, from becoming, from history, from lies; history is nothing but faith in the senses, faith in lies. Moral: let us say No to all who have faith in the senses, to all the rest of mankind; they are all 'mob.' Let us be philosophers! Let us be mummies! Let us represent monotono-theism by adopting the expression of a gravedigger!— And above all, away with the body, this wretched idée fixe of the senses, disfigured by all the fallacies of logic, refuted, even impossible, although it is impudent enough to behave as if it were real!" ...

[Ahmadinebobina]

PG Wodehouse - The Code of the Woosters and some awful Celtic Tiger diatribe I can no longer avoid. Tsk. I also reread the Diamondsutra yesterday. Interesting if you can keep from crying at the repetitiveness..

[Helios Panoptes]

It was also the goal of his work in the Republic, I think, to show that the just life was the best and happiest, and to refute Thrasymachus' view that the unjust are better off.

Yes, I agree. He goest to greater lengths to prove that the just life is the happiest life in the Republic. That argument comes well after the Thrasymachus encounter, towards the end of the dialogue.

Scamander, I think you will get a kick out of Plato's proposed solutions for dealing with the atheist problem in book X. They are harsh to say the least.

[MadScienceType]

I'm supposed to put something erudite that will impress a board full of internet intellectuals, but fuck it, I'm actually finishing up the Harry Potter series. Not bad, really. I can see why it's a gold mine for Rowling. I usually read Shotgun News on the crapper.

I did recently finish The Threadbare Buzzard: A Marine Fighter Pilot in WWII. Great book and it reinforces the idea that today's youth can delay growing up and facing reality almost indefinitely. I mean, the author was getting shot at in his hopelessly-outclassed Wildcat at an age when most kids are still wrestling with gut-wrenching decisions such as whether to have the skim- or goat's-milk latte and worried sick if the check from mommy and daddy is a day late. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly a fan of the so-called "Greatest Generation" because they were the ones who presided over this country's slide into nanny-statism, but there was definitely a segment of this group who had its shit together. Too bad they didn't beat their baby boom kids harder and more often. Anyway, it's not a typical war memoir, which too often seem to be one of two things; either a tear-soaked paen to God, Country and Flag or a too-gritty narrative that tries to out-horror previous works in the race to show Why War Is Bad. Nope, it's genuinely, dryly funny without being goofy and it's actually honest in its assesment of what war means, the good the bad and the ugly. From a nineteen-year-old (now 83) fighter pilot's perspective at least.

Another recent read is The Dark Valley, a history of geopolitics in the years between WWI and WWII by court historian Piers Bredon, a man who uses a hundred words where four will suffice, his favorite being "adumbrate" (i.e. foreshadow). Interesting biographical information on the major (and minor) power players of the time, but the obligatory bemoaning of facism and How Tough the Jews Had It™ gets a little old, though I suppose we have to expect that from an author who hails from perfidious Albion. Communism, while not exactly given the Duranty treatment, is covered in such a way that it leaves no doubt which was The Bigger Evil in the author's mind. Not exactly a page-turner (and there are a lot of them) mainly due to long segues into trivial events (are you particularly interested in labor-management problems at the Renault factory in the 1920s? Don't answer that, because I'm pretty sure the S/socialists on the board probably are) but I will admit the big picture is interesting, if not interestingly written about. Overall, though, I do appreciate the way the book adumbrated the events of the WWII years and through today, if the lessons of history have anything to offer.

[koch curve]

genetics and experience by robert plomin

[Hakluyt]

Goedel, Escher, Bach by Douglas Hofstadter

[Helios Panoptes]

What do you think of the Laws now that you have read further, Scamander?

I found it rude and self-congratulatory in places. Enough so to raise my ire. Also, the contributions of Klinias and Megillus are lacking. They do almost nothing to move the discussion forward. All they're good for is "yes," "no," "surely," what are you referring to?," etc. Also, it is difficult to follow The Athenian because his sentences go on and on. Unlike earlier dialogues which were crisp, it is turgid and in need of disentanglement. It reveals that Plato's genius is for reciprocal dialogue. His speech-writing is lacking. However, despite the fact that I found it difficult to slog through, it was not without merit. Plato is more honest about humanity than in other places and I appreciated that.

[Sean]

What do you think of the Laws now that you have read further, Scamander?

I just finished book III. (I'm a slow reader, and I only read it for about an hour a day.) I thought that the idea of the harmony of the soul was interesting, namely that one's instinctive part must be in tune with one's reasoning part (which is mirrored in society as a whole), and that when this is lost for society, it is the cause of decline. I wonder how this would contrast with the tripartite conception of the soul that is found in the Republic. His philosophy of history, of course, couldn't be further from the truth, but his ideas are always very creative and imaginative.

Also interesting is the notion that the wise must rule the ignorant. I think that this is the same as the strong ruling the weak, only it is merely a different aspect of humanity that defines the hierarchy--instead of dominating with brute strength, one dominates with the force of persuasion and ideas. Philosophy is like a war of the spirit.

Even if you disagree with him, you have to admit that his writings are a gold mine for ideas.

I found it rude and self-congratulatory in places. Enough so to raise my ire. Also, the contributions of Klinias and Megillus are lacking. They do almost nothing to move the discussion forward. All they're good for is "yes," "no," "surely," what are you referring to?," etc.

Isn't this the case with all of his dialogues? There is always one individual who leads the discussion, who will continually question the other individuals. The dialogue gives the pretense that the questioner is opening up what the assenter has to say. Even if the conversation comes across as unrealistic, he is still able to present ideas in a manner that makes them seem vibrant.

Also, it is difficult to follow The Athenian because his sentences go on and on. Unlike earlier dialogues which were crisp, it is turgid and in need of disentanglement. It reveals that Plato's genius is for reciprocal dialogue. His speech-writing is lacking.

I have to disagree with this. He writes speeches in the Apology, Pheaedrus (which is dedicated to that very subject), Timaeus, and Symposium which are quite good. I haven't found any problems with his writing style so far, but I have heard that the late dialogues share a distinctive writing style in the Greek.

[Der Sozialist]

Goedel, Escher, Bach by Douglas Hofstadter

Not to discourage you but that is a not very interesting book, that is if you are expecting to learn something look elsewhere. I have the 70’s copy somewhere here.

You just receive a brief introduction to interesting topics—like A.I and mathematical logic.

I recommend, if you wish to read more in depth on these interesting topics:

An Introduction to Support Vector Machines and other kernel-based learning methods—Nello Cristianini and John Shawe-Taylor

Learning with Kernels, Support Vector Machines, Regularization, Optimization, and Beyond—Bernhard Schoelkopf and Alexander J. Smola

Both require knowledge of mathematics up to college-level Analysis (including ordinary, partial, and bounded differential equation courses) but they are rewarding nonetheless.

[Helios Panoptes]

Isn't this the case with all of his dialogues? There is always one individual who leads the discussion, who will continually question the other individuals. The dialogue gives the pretense that the questioner is opening up what the assenter has to say. Even if the conversation comes across as unrealistic, he is still able to present ideas in a manner that makes them seem vibrant.

I found it different because in the other dialogues, the interlocutors present arguments, even if they are sometimes caricatures. There is no comparison between The Laws and The Republic or The Phaedo in this respect. Klinias and Megillus contribute virtually nothing, whereas the others are rich with give-and-take arguments. As you get into it further, you will find that they are utterly insipid throughout. It could easily have been written with only one character and not much would have been lost.

I have to disagree with this. He writes speeches in the Apology, Pheaedrus (which is dedicated to that very subject), Timaeus, and Symposium which are quite good. I haven't found any problems with his writing style so far, but I have heard that the late dialogues share a distinctive writing style in the Greek.

I believe they were all shorter, though. The Athenian speaks for 20+ pages without being interrupted at one point. The Timaeus is the only one that comes close and I will admit that it was much better than the oration in The Laws.

[Thomas777]

I'm reading the book-form transcrips of the Chomsky-Foucault debate. Its important stuff, however one feels about Chomsky's politics.

[Hippias]

I'm reading the book-form transcrips of the Chomsky-Foucault debate. Its important stuff, however one feels about Chomsky's politics.

Have you read Burnham's The Machiavellians yet?

[Thomas777]

Have you read Burnham's The Machiavellians yet?

No. I have not been able to track down a copy yet. What I DID get hold of is Burnham's Suicide of the West...I actually found a copy in reasonably good condition at the used book shop I frequent up in Evanston. That book is not groundbreaking, but its impeccably well-argued and I think that it sums up the neoliberal ethos exquisitely. It can also be seen how much Burnham influenced the late Sam Francis.

[Helios Panoptes]

I believe they were all shorter, though. The Athenian speaks for 20+ pages without being interrupted at one point. The Timaeus is the only one that comes close and I will admit that it was much better than the oration in The Laws.

The one in the Timaeus is longer than any in the Laws. I checked today.

[Geist]

Martin Amis Success again. I had to re-read this one. This brings me half way past the complete Amis experience [as I have already read London Fields, The Moronic Inferno, and Money. This has happened in half the time time I expect. The project is on ice now.

The Complete Jack the Ripper by Donald Rumbelow. I have an unhealthy [according to people I know] interest in the Jack the Ripper case. This ranks as one of the few interests I have managed to maintain since my childhood. I am actually most interested in eye-witness accounts, and the whole East End scene in the 1880s rather than the murder itself. I could quite literally read books on nothing else and be quite happy. :rofl:

[Hachiko]

Today I should be finishing Terry Pratchett's "Going Postal". It has been about 10 times better than I expected it to be. One of the only Pratchett's Discworld books to be broken up by chapters. Highly recommended.

[Forza Azzurri]

finished reading Brothers karamazov and Revolt of the masses. I'm currently reading Nietzche's Will To Power.

[Isra'il Yahya]

Stalin: A biography (Mentioned in passing at Socialist Paradise)

Mental Dominance (Why not?)

Days of War, Nights of Love (I decided to read this again for some reason)

[Helios Panoptes]

Mental Dominance (Why not?)

What is that about?

[Isra'il Yahya]

What is that about?

Hypnotism, suggestion, and various other psychological practices. The book was loaned to me by a friend who studies psychology. It's an interesting read even though I do not understand some portions. I take it with a grain of salt. It's probably all just bullcrap.

http://www.amazon.com/Mental-Dominance-Classics-Magnetism-Hypnotism/dp/0941683044

[gooddeath]

"Crime and Punishment" and "Notes from the Underground" by Dostoevsky
"Introductory Lectures on Aesthetics" by Hegel

[Eisenhans]

Beethoven by Maynard Solomon
The Discources by Niccolo Machiavelli

[Helios Panoptes]

John Bradshaw - Human Evolution: A Neuropsychological Perspective
Graham Priest - In Contradiction: A Study of the Transconsistent
Alexander Miller - An Introduction to Contemporary Metaethics

[Tiberius]

Introduction to Magic by Evola and the UR group.

Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Nietzsche and the New Testament, at the same time. It feels a bit odd. :confused:

[VAMPIR]

Himler's big plan,
Atlantida - history or myth

[Aryan Imperium]

I have nearly finished reading Teutonic Mythology by Viktor Rydberg.