Does Satan really exist?

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Yes, He interacts with his Disciples and followers. Many of us have seen him, have witnessed the so called-supernatural, and have been given abilites way beyond that of the average person. When we ask, we get answer. Unlike other religions, where followers have to go searching for their gods, Satan/Lucifer comes to us. He lets us know of his presense. If you doubt whether he exist, just him.
For far too long, so many lies and so much misinformation have been spread about Satan. Many of us have seen him, have spoken with him and have even been touched by him. Nearly all of us who know him agree on his appearance. RHP religions have created a monstrous image of Satan and his Demons. These are nothing but blasphemous lies. He is not red with horns and a tall, nor does he look like a Halloween monster. He does not have flaming red eyes or rubbery wing. These depictions are intended to insult, denigrate, and blaspheme him.
Contrary to the "darkness" of Satanism, he appears wearing a long white robe. Many of us have see him often and have a close relationship with him. He is beautiful.

Demons, as opposed to all of the chrisitan lies, are friends of humanity. Demons who are the Original Gods, give us much individual attention and protection, once a strong and trusted relationship is established. When we are close to and under the protection of Satan, he gives us good Demons to work with.

In contrast to the helpful Demons Satan provides us with, angels are cruel, unfeeling, sadistic and evil beings who look down upon humanity. One only needs to look at the christian bible, especially the book of revelation. Angels have been messengers of misfortune and instigators of mass murder. Many times beings and entities from the christian "god" will masquerade as Demons or spirits of Satan. Remember the chrisitan "god" uses ignorance and fear to enslave humanity. People who are open chrisitanity or actual christians are the most vulnerable to negative influences. They have a bad or terrifying experience, go running back to chrisitanity, more holy then ever before, and rant about how "evil" Satan is, when all along it was the christian "god" and his spirits, fightening them back into the fold. Fear is one of the most effective tools used by the chrisitan "god."


Satan is not "evil" nor is Satan responsible for the mulititude of illnesses, dieseases or anything else that afflicts humanity. One only needs to look to the christian bible, to see all of the curses, punishments, and afflicitions "god" has inflicted upon humanity. Here is real abuse of psychic power and those who do not stop to think are deluded into believing humanity not worthy of it. jehova uses black magic to enslave and inflict suffereing upon humans.


from- www.JoyofSatan.com

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Does Dr. Anti-Christ really exist, or is he just a refugee from VNN Forum? :confused:

I know that Resist.com is Tom Metzger, but who is behind joyofsatan.com?

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Does Dr. Anti-Christ really exist, or is he just a refugee from VNN Forum? :confused:

That is a good question...........maybe both.



I know that Resist.com is Tom Metzger, but who is behind joyofsatan.com?

Satan.

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The Hebrew meaning of the word 'Satan' is 'enemy of the Judeans' therefor I believe I myself to be Satan.

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Many interesting statements were made.

In contrast to the helpful Demons Satan provides us with, angels are cruel, unfeeling, sadistic and evil beings who look down upon humanity.

A very old monk tale tells that angels stopped all contacts with men, seeing their fall and descent into filth. Because of that, most of "visions of angels" are viewed as Satan's temptations, which is mostly the true description.

He is not red with horns and a tall, nor does he look like a Halloween monster. He does not have flaming red eyes or rubbery wing. These depictions are intended to insult, denigrate, and blaspheme him.

Of course. Those were just some folk superstitions. Christians *do* know that he appears in light and beauty. Especially the ones that have seen him (God forbid).

Demons, as opposed to all of the chrisitan lies, are friends of humanity.

That, however, I don't agree with. But I agree that many Satanists truly believe that, as some of the daemons might do, too.

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Gregory Reid - Satanism in America (radio interview)
http://www.soundwaves2000.com/rammaker.asp?id=155a&d=10-17-05a

Nobody's Angel - books from Gregory Reid
http://www.gregoryreid.com/id4.htm

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A very old monk tale tells that angels stopped all contacts with men, seeing their fall and descent into filth. Because of that, most of "visions of angels" are viewed as Satan's temptations, which is mostly the true description.

Well what would you expect from a christian monk, except a further guilt trip about how everything natural is sin, and your filthy just for existing and plus being true to your design. Thus you can never escape from there idea of sin, because your natural, nature has been labelled evil, might as well label breathing evil too, but then maybe it would have made there scam a tad bit more obvious. "Your filthy sinners! Feel guilt for being alive and give thanks this jew was nailed to a stick for you!" lol



Of course. Those were just some folk superstitions. Christians *do* know that he appears in light and beauty. Especially the ones that have seen him (God forbid).

I was a christian for most of my life, and I would be hard pressed to find one out of ten chrisitans, who either had a clue or did not think of Satan and his Daemons looking like halloween monsters, now where did they get that idea from, not just a folk superstition, it was direct propaganda. Satan as people who see him know he appears as around a 8 foot tall, Nordic Man in a White Robe with a powerful brightness and power as he is a God, not a fallen angel. Why does he appear that way.......because that is what he looks like, there is no lie with Satan, despite what christian propaganda says.



That, however, I don't agree with. But I agree that many Satanists truly believe that, as some of the daemons might do, too.


Just cause you don't agree does not change the fact they are the friends of Humanity.

Ironically enough my hardcore jesus freak friend life fell to shit about a few months ago, in the direction of two weeks his wife left him, for his ex best friend who she had been fucking behind his back. He got the boot from his apartment, and his music career fizzed out. And that was only the top of the shitberg. His jehova obviously did not give a fuck about him. Then he prayed to Father Satan and within a week he got his apartment back, found new band members who where talented and hardcore, and found a new women etc. But sadly he still has the beaten house wife syndrome that christians have and he went inching back to his abuser jeboo. Now over the past while, being rejebooified his new band fell apart, he has been booted out of his apartment, and his woman will leave him soon etc.

Some people just like being treated like shit I guess.
But then again when is the last time you could really depend of a jew to do anything but fuck you over, especially a jew god.lol

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Well what would you expect from a christian monk, except a further guilt trip about how everything natural is sin, and your filthy just for existing and plus being true to your design. Thus you can never escape from there idea of sin, because your natural, nature has been labelled evil, might as well label breathing evil too,

Supposedly, the angels have that attitude. And not all that is natural is considered evil, but many of man's desires are.

I was a christian for most of my life, and I would be hard pressed to find one out of ten chrisitans, who either had a clue or did not think of Satan and his Daemons looking like halloween monsters, now where did they get that idea from, not just a folk superstition, it was direct propaganda.

Funny, as we speak I am glancing at two books of two Christian Saints in which they clearly say that Satan and many of his daemons appears before men as angels of light.

there is no lie with Satan, despite what christian propaganda says.

They say even more - that he is the Father of Lie.

Just cause you don't agree does not change the fact they are the friends of Humanity.

Yes, my statements were just an express of my beliefs, not some insight of mine in some facts, and as such they should be considered. And I also don't believe that any man at the moment and at the place is able to speak of those spheres in terms of facts, but only in terms of belief.

Ironically enough my hardcore jesus freak friend life fell to shit about a few months ago, in the direction of two weeks his wife left him, for his ex best friend who she had been fucking behind his back. He got the boot from his apartment, and his music career fizzed out. And that was only the top of the shitberg. His jehova obviously did not give a fuck about him. Then he prayed to Father Satan and within a week he got his apartment back, found new band members who where talented and hardcore, and found a new women etc.

I can believe this to be true. Not even Christiany denies that this is possible.

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Supposedly, the angels have that attitude. And not all that is natural is considered evil, but many of man's desires are.

Looking at the bible when angels appear it is to bring genocide, dieases and misery on the world. But then again jehova is a insane and evil jew god. What god would give you natural desires and then label them evil. It is all part of the religion scam.



Funny, as we speak I am glancing at two books of two Christian Saints in which they clearly say that Satan and many of his daemons appears before men as angels of light.

Yes I already know what some say but the current image of Satan was spread as propaganda by the christian religion. Most christians do not even read there own bible, so do not hope for anything in deepth out of them on the subject of there professed belief system.



They say even more - that he is the Father of Lie.
The day I listen to a what a religion started by jews and centers around jews has to say about the original living Aryan Gods is the day I convert to judaism.lol



Yes, my statements were just an express of my beliefs, not some insight of mine in some facts, and as such they should be considered. And I also don't believe that any man at the moment and at the place is able to speak of those spheres in terms of facts, but only in terms of belief.


A thing I have always found interesting is in the major organized religions is they always talk about communing with "god" and how "god" speaks etc. But the second a person says that "god" directly communed back to them, not vague "signs" after a life time of talking one way, then most of there fellow religions believers call them crazy. I would understand that attitude from a athiest, but not a group who states belief in the "supernatural" and such. When I was younger and was a christian, I did get some real answers from the christian jehova it was not a totally typical one way direction. But I would not wish that experence on anyone else. Where christ is a made up distraction/golum vortex, the enity called jehova is real, and is spiritually vampirc in nature.

A reason the "supernatural" is still in the belief and not fact file, is because humans are currently so spiritually dead they can only access this plane. People who are empowered enough to access the other plane are ordered to be killed in the christian bible. the religion of judaism and it's two childern islam and chrisitanity are religions of spiritual death.




I can believe this to be true. Not even Christiany denies that this is possible.


Yes most chrisitans could as they are used to being abused by there "loving" jehova and co. The idea that there are other Gods who really do love and care for there followers and show it on a daily bases, not to mention work with them directly to develop higher spiritual power, is beyond there understanding as there idea of being cared for is abuse and hard times, there lifes are no better off then unbelievers, the unbelievers have higher quality of life a lot of the time.
Christianity is something out of 1984 where:
Hate is love
Abuse is caring
Freedom is slavery

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Looking at the bible when angels appear it is to bring genocide, dieases and misery on the world.

Hopefully, it will happen again. It's called purging the filth, and I see nothing evil in it.

What god would give you natural desires and then label them evil. It is all part of the religion scam.

I don't know if those desires are given to us by God. Do you think that they are?

Yes I already know what some say but the current image of Satan was spread as propaganda by the christian religion. Most christians do not even read there own bible, so do not hope for anything in deepth out of them on the subject of there professed belief system.

Actually, Christianity isn't based on the Bible solely - it's based on the living Word, and the Book is but one of its pillars.

The day I listen to a what a religion started by jews and centers around jews has to say about the original living Aryan Gods is the day I convert to judaism.lol

I don't think that my ancestors worshipped either Satan, or his daemons, but I explained that already.

A thing I have always found interesting is in the major organized religions is they always talk about communing with "god" and how "god" speaks etc. But the second a person says that "god" directly communed back to them, not vague "signs" after a life time of talking one way, then most of there fellow religions believers call them crazy. I would understand that attitude from a athiest, but not a group who states belief in the "supernatural" and such. When I was younger and was a christian, I did get some real answers from the christian jehova it was not a totally typical one way direction. But I would not wish that experence on anyone else. Where christ is a made up distraction/golum vortex, the enity called jehova is real, and is spiritually vampirc in nature.

Don't you think that you should just admit that you are not at all interested in Christianity, instead of criticizing it using incorrect premises? They don't constantly communicate with God, they are highly suspicious of "signs", most don't even strive for mystical experiences and so on, and so on... And their God should not be referred to as 'Jehova', for it is not even the correct pronounciation of Hebrew (or whoever's?) word IHVH, which was a secret word and which was never pronounced, but read as just 'Lord'. And I am most certainly not some 'Jehova's Witness', nor do I consider them to be Christians.

A reason the "supernatural" is still in the belief and not fact file, is because humans are currently so spiritually dead they can only access this plane.
People who are empowered enough to access the other plane are ordered to be killed in the christian bible. the religion of judaism and it's two childern islam and chrisitanity are religions of spiritual death.

There were Christians who were spiritually 'alive', able to 'access other planes', and even communicate with them, and nobody killed them. Even more, many of them were proclaimed Saints by the same Church that was supposedly after them.


Yes most chrisitans could as they are used to being abused by there "loving" jehova and co. The idea that there are other Gods who really do love and care for there followers and show it on a daily bases, not to mention work with them directly to develop higher spiritual power, is beyond there understanding as there idea of being cared for is abuse and hard times, there lifes are no better off then unbelievers, the unbelievers have higher quality of life a lot of the time.
Christianity is something out of 1984 where:
Hate is love
Abuse is caring
Freedom is slavery

The question is how you, or anyone, can be sure that it is not the other way around?

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Hopefully, it will happen again. It's called purging the filth, and I see nothing evil in it.

What did the frist born children of Egypt do to be murdered what was there real crime...oh yes not bowing to the jew gods/christian gods demands, then what about the other people genocided later on...hmmmmmm. But then again every human is filth to jehova as the bible shows, so that means your on purging list too.lol


don't know if those desires are given to us by God. Do you think that they are? If your god jehova created us as claimed then yes.



Actually, Christianity isn't based on the Bible solely - it's based on the living Word, and the Book is but one of its pillars.

The "living word" is found in the bibble.



I don't think that my ancestors worshipped either Satan, or his daemons, but I explained that already.

They did but them called him and the Daemons other titles, Satan and Demons=Old Gods.



Don't you think that you should just admit that you are not at all interested in Christianity, instead of criticizing it using incorrect premises? They don't constantly communicate with God, they are highly suspicious of "signs", most don't even strive for mystical experiences and so on, and so on...

Who determines the correct "premises"..........Banat now? From reading this, one would probably just come to a honest conclusion most christians are atheist going through the motions.




And their God should not be referred to as 'Jehova', for it is not even the correct pronounciation of Hebrew (or whoever's?) word IHVH, which was a secret word and which was never pronounced, but read as just 'Lord'. And I am most certainly not some 'Jehova's Witness', nor do I consider them to be Christians.

Your right spelling it jewhova would make more sense. When I write jehova people know who Iam talking about but if I write the kabbalistic term it causes pointless confusion. Your god/christian god is the jewish god call him yaweh, jehova, rolling stone, the god of the chirstians and jews is one in the same.



There were Christians who were spiritually 'alive', able to 'access other planes', and even communicate with them, and nobody killed them. Even more, many of them were proclaimed Saints by the same Church that was supposedly after them.

The universal jewhova group(christian church) outlawed the Runes which are a vital part of soul evolution, not to mentioned butched thousands for having any physic abilites, real or not. In your bibble there is a clear order from your god that anyone using or harnessing these "occult" powers are to be killed. Your amusing drop in the bucket "saints" which come with a false tale of history as according to the catholic church. How many had real soul power.......zero really any power they might have had was given briefly and in small dose by jewhova, they never had any of there own.




The question is how you, or anyone, can be sure that it is not the other way around?

By there fruits you shall know them. Two thousand years of monothiestic madness. The fruit tastes bad, but the motto of the christians should be smells like shit, tastes like shitty chicken poke out your eyes and just keep licking.

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The "living word" is found in the bibble.

This is what I meant by 'incorrect premises'. The 'living word' is not found in the Bible (at least not all of it).

If your god jehova created us as claimed then yes.

I still think there is more of 'me' in my desires, than somethin that is given to me. BTW, who do you think created us? The Devil?

They did but them called him and the Daemons other titles, Satan and Demons=Old Gods.

Very little is known about pre-Christian religious practice of Europeans, especially concerning non-Graeco-Roman religions to make such conclusions. However, the very idea of Satan and the daemons is coming from the same source as the ideas of God One-Almighty and the angels. Many of our ancestors weren't even aware of such dual concepts, however, the fact that most of both those who were and those who weren't accepted Christianity in the end speaks for itself.

Your right spelling it jewhova would make more sense. When I write jehova people know who Iam talking about but if I write the kabbalistic term it causes pointless confusion. Your god/christian god is the jewish god call him yaweh, jehova, rolling stone, the god of the chirstians and jews is one in the same.

Christians worship an entity, or whichever is the way to describe it, whose main feature is that he is the Pantokrator, creator of "Heaven" and "Earth" (i.e. this realm and all planes of spiritual world), namely: 'everything that is visible and unvisible', and not some vampiric spirit, which you also name as 'jehova'.

The universal jewhova group(christian church) outlawed the Runes which are a vital part of soul evolution, not to mentioned butched thousands for having any physic abilites, real or not. In your bibble there is a clear order from your god that anyone using or harnessing these "occult" powers are to be killed. Your amusing drop in the bucket "saints" which come with a false tale of history as according to the catholic church. How many had real soul power.......zero really any power they might have had was given briefly and in small dose by jewhova, they never had any of there own.

Again, no. Active occult practice is what is forbidden, not having supernatural powers.

By there fruits you shall know them. Two thousand years of monothiestic madness. The fruit tastes bad, but the motto of the christians should be smells like shit, tastes like shitty chicken poke out your eyes and just keep licking.

If the fruit tastes bad, one should choose more carefully, or change the tree, not instantly start digging into dirt. You know, taking negative examples of Christian institutions and/or Christians or "Christians" is done by Christians too as a means to improve themselves. A Russian theologist said that (true) Christians were rarer than geniuses, which only speaks of a great ammount self-criticism within Christian institutions.

Anyway, to cut it off, if the question was 'Does Satan really exist?', the answer would be 'Yes, he does'. I was only replying to some not-quite-correct statements concerning Christianity as a religion, but they seem to never stop.

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This is what I meant by 'incorrect premises'. The 'living word' is not found in the Bible (at least not all of it).

If the bibble has incorrect premises then christianity is incorrect.



I still think there is more of 'me' in my desires, than somethin that is given to me. BTW, who do you think created us? The Devil?

There is what the bibble says, then there is what people think. Yes the God latter labeled as the adversay of the jews/christian/muslims, created us.



Very little is known about pre-Christian religious practice of Europeans, especially concerning non-Graeco-Roman religions to make such conclusions. However, the very idea of Satan and the daemons is coming from the same source as the ideas of God One-Almighty and the angels. Many of our ancestors weren't even aware of such dual concepts, however, the fact that most of both those who were and those who weren't accepted Christianity in the end speaks for itself.

Why is there little know known about the Aryan Pagan ways? As the thread "origins of Satanism" shows Satanism predates christianity, as it is the original Pagan ways just under a new name. Satan and the Demons are the original Gods, that where slander and vilified by the big three.




Christians worship an entity, or whichever is the way to describe it, whose main feature is that he is the Pantokrator, creator of "Heaven" and "Earth" (i.e. this realm and all planes of spiritual world), namely: 'everything that is visible and unvisible', and not some vampiric spirit, which you also name as 'jehova'.

They whorship a fraud on a stick/energy votex and an cruel sadist entity possible a combination of entity jehova. And yes it is energy vampiric in nature.



Again, no. Active occult practice is what is forbidden, not having supernatural powers.

Yes this shows my point they seek to stamp out any practice in which people can develop the soul energy to a much higher level ie the Occult that is the main point of what is called the Occult. The christian deal is you are forbidden from becoming really spiritually evolved and only used as a mule for whatever jehova's and co wants, it is never you learning and developing YOUR OWN indepent power, it is soley there power thought you, leaving one still ignorant and depend for all time.






If the fruit tastes bad, one should choose more carefully, or change the tree, not instantly start digging into dirt. You know, taking negative examples of Christian institutions and/or Christians or "Christians" is done by Christians too as a means to improve themselves. A Russian theologist said that (true) Christians were rarer than geniuses, which only speaks of a great ammount self-criticism within Christian institutions.

There was only one "true" christian and it was nailed to a stick two thousand years ago, and then in the end even it was a made up fraud too. Negative examples are honestly just about the only standard examples of christ-insanity in the end. If christians want to really improve themselves they should just be honest and drop christianity.

Yes there is a amount of criticism in christian institutions like the 30 years war for one.




Anyway, to cut it off, if the question was 'Does Satan really exist?', the answer would be 'Yes, he does'. I was only replying to some not-quite-correct statements concerning Christianity as a religion, but they seem to never stop.


You mean replying to a Arch Heritic's views on the jewniversal church and co. Well you agree Satan exists at least we agree on something.lol

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If the bibble has incorrect premises then christianity is incorrect.

No, I meant an incorrect premise of yours, which was, if I got it right, that Christianity was based on the Bible, which is not quite correct. To put Protestant Churches aside for a second (for they appeared later), the three greatest Christian institutions: Roman-Catholic, "Eastern"-Orthodox and Monophysite Church, aren't "based" on the Bible. The Bible is an "add-on", a support, the Holy Letter, or the Holy Books - a compilation of sacred inscriptions designed and standardized by the Church, and not something Christianity is built on.

Yes the God latter labeled as the adversay of the jews/christian/muslims, created us.

So, in some distorted way, as it appears to me - please forgive my frankness, you are too a follower of the one you think is the creator of all existence...

Why is there little know known about the Aryan Pagan ways? As the thread "origins of Satanism" shows Satanism predates christianity, as it is the original Pagan ways just under a new name. Satan and the Demons are the original Gods, that where slander and vilified by the big three.

We, for instance, know very much about Indian (India) paganism. Not much of a Satanism, or at least not all of it. And again we know pretty much about European "pagan" ways, which in greater or lesser amount, varying from culture to culture, are still kept. I, for instance, have absolutely no problem with the pagan religion of my ancient ancestors, and view Christianity as its perfect conclusion, and not some change of course.

They whorship a fraud on a stick/energy votex and an cruel sadist entity possible a combination of entity jehova. And yes it is energy vampiric in nature.

I had to chuckle on that one, really. Honestly, having that impression in mind, why do you find it strange that many Christians have similar prejudices about Satanists, and picture them as some dark and evil characters performing sexual orgies crowned with human blood-sacrifices, and all that in order to invoke a Baphomet-alike horned Daemon?

Yes this shows my point they seek to stamp out any practice in which people can develop the soul energy to a much higher level ie the Occult that is the main point of what is called the Occult. The christian deal is you are forbidden from becoming really spiritually evolved and only used as a mule for whatever jehova's and co wants, it is never you learning and developing YOUR OWN indepent power, it is soley there power thought you, leaving one still ignorant and depend for all time.

It is occult practice, which has survived through various groups until today, that is labeled, not that much as a sin, but as something extremely harmful. On the other hand, Christianity has its own mysticism, which deals various phenomena such as outer planes, dreams, spiritual experiences and beings, spiritual development etc. But the whole system and the approach is totally different from the occult ones. And I had the luck to meet some strong and spiritually very developed personalities. Needless to say, Christians.

There was only one "true" christian and it was nailed to a stick two thousand years ago,

I think Nietzsche said something similar to that.

You mean replying to a Arch Heritic's views on the jewniversal church and co. Well you agree Satan exists at least we agree on something.lol

They say that Satan's greatest success was convincing the people that he doesn't exist.

(P.S. If I didn't make it clear so far, I'm mostly speaking from the "Eastern"-Orthodox perspective).

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No, I meant an incorrect premise of yours, which was, if I got it right, that Christianity was based on the Bible, which is not quite correct. To put Protestant Churches aside for a second (for they appeared later), the three greatest Christian institutions: Roman-Catholic, "Eastern"-Orthodox and Monophysite Church, aren't "based" on the Bible. The Bible is an "add-on", a support, the Holy Letter, or the Holy Books - a compilation of sacred inscriptions designed and standardized by the Church, and not something Christianity is built on.

You forgot Judaism in with your three. If the bibble is just a add on christianity is bullshit, you just confessed the church slapped it together. At least your honest.lol



So, in some distorted way, as it appears to me - please forgive my frankness, you are too a follower of the one you think is the creator of all existence...

Yes Iam a follower of Satan.



We, for instance, know very much about Indian (India) paganism. Not much of a Satanism, or at least not all of it. And again we know pretty much about European "pagan" ways, which in greater or lesser amount, varying from culture to culture, are still kept. I, for instance, have absolutely no problem with the pagan religion of my ancient ancestors, and view Christianity as its perfect conclusion, and not some change of course.

That is your view so whatever floats your boat.



I had to chuckle on that one, really. Honestly, having that impression in mind, why do you find it strange that many Christians have similar prejudices about Satanists, and picture them as some dark and evil characters performing sexual orgies crowned with human blood-sacrifices, and all that in order to invoke a Baphomet-alike horned Daemon?

Chuckle away, most likey because that is the image that is of Satanism that has been crafted by non Satanists, and cared out by a few inverted christians who brought the propaganda. I do not think I would have a problem with hot sex orgies.


It is occult practice, which has survived through various groups until today, that is labeled, not that much as a sin, but as something extremely harmful. On the other hand, Christianity has its own mysticism, which deals various phenomena such as outer planes, dreams, spiritual experiences and beings, spiritual development etc. But the whole system and the approach is totally different from the occult ones. And I had the luck to meet some strong and spiritually very developed personalities. Needless to say, Christians.

It is usally labelled that by christians playing with fire, and dabblers in general. Your right the chrisitan approach is rhp where Satanism is Lhp.



I think Nietzsche said something similar to that.

Cool, I would not be suprised.



They say that Satan's greatest success was convincing the people that he doesn't exist.

Oh, Father Satan is very real today he saved me and a close family member from what would have been a fatal car wreck. Hail Satan!


(P.S. If I didn't make it clear so far, I'm mostly speaking from the "Eastern"-Orthodox perspective).

Ok.

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Yes satan exists. He lives under my bed and when i fall asleep i hear him singing songs about apple pies and christmas elves. His vocals suck but it's better than Michael Jackson anyways.

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Yes satan exists. He lives under my bed and when i fall asleep i hear him singing songs about apple pies and christmas elves. His vocals suck but it's better than Michael Jackson anyways.

I think you've mistaken Satan for his sister, Elen Degeneris (or however you spell her name)

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I think you've mistaken Satan for his sister, Elen Degeneris (or however you spell her name)


Do you think I am that bad so can't tell male from female? Your are wrong, Exo.

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Do you think I am that bad so can't tell male from female? Your are wrong, Exo.

I'm never wrong! I'm just insane..that's all :D Besides, for all we know, Elen could be the spawn of Satan

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I'm never wrong! I'm just insane..that's all :D Besides, for all we know, Elen could be the spawn of Satan


I gotta to find this out.

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I gotta to find this out.

I personally think Satan is just a representation of all that is Evil in man...but here's a question...would Satan be so evil as to even watch child porn? I'm betting no. his main crime was pride and trying to overtake heaven from God, I think that's it.

[Probably maybe]

I personally think Satan is just a representation of all that is Evil in man...but here's a question...would Satan be so evil as to even watch child porn? I'm betting no. his main crime was pride and trying to overtake heaven from God, I think that's it.


Child porn is pervertion, not evil.

[Excorcism]

Child porn is pervertion, not evil.

I don't know, I sort of grew up iin an evangelical setting, so i guess I grew up with that mentality in my mind that such perversion is evil. It wasn't until later on I realized how perceptions were the basis of reality, and not social constructs founded on religion...at least for me.

[Anarch]

his main crime was pride and trying to overtake heaven from God, I think that's it.

Lies. His main crime (or mine? ;)) was to have integrity to the extent that he would not bow before an inferior being, man. It was this order by God (to whom Lucifer swore to bow to none other, ever) which Lucifer refused, and so he was condemned, the trigger of the first angel war in which Lucifer and a third of the angels in heaven waged war against Michael, Uriel, Raphael and Gabriel. Lucifer, of course, lost, and was cast out of heaven and is now viewed as a demon of some variety. Which is actually incorrect, as the 'true' demons are the Watchers who guarded the early development of humans, and fell in love with human women, who then gave birth to the Nephilim (otherwise put, the titans) who then caused so much destruction and suffering that God ordered the great watery purge known as the Flood for which Noah built his stupid boat. The spirits of the Watchers and the Nephilim were not cast into the abyss, but condemned to wonder in torment, preying on humans until the final judgement.

[Banat]

You forgot Judaism in with your three. If the bibble is just a add on christianity is bullshit, you just confessed the church slapped it together. At least your honest.lol

No, I didn't forget about Judaism, for it was not a Christian institution in the first place. And concerning the Bible, I don't know what so surprising. There were, for instance, many texts, called the apocrypha, written at the time, that didn't come into the "official" Bible.

That is your view so whatever floats your boat.

Yes. It is my view, and the view of my ancient ancestors that accepted Christianity over their old religion.

BTW, I wonder how Egyptian pre-Christian cults fit into this theory of satanist paganism, especially the Oziris's cult, his death and ressurection, Izis as the God's Mother, and Seth as his opponent. Not an Indo-European cult though.

Chuckle away, most likey because that is the image that is of Satanism that has been crafted by non Satanists, and cared out by a few inverted christians who brought the propaganda.

No, I chuckled because you were so appalled by that distorted image of Satanism, but yet on the other hand create a similar image concerning Christianity, viewing it as some dark cult of worshipping a vampiric deity called 'Jehova'.

Your right the chrisitan approach is rhp where Satanism is Lhp.

I didn't follow that out right. Were those abbreviations about "left-hand" and "right-hand" path? I'm not quite familiar with the terminology.

[Vindex]

No, I didn't forget about Judaism, for it was not a Christian institution in the first place. And concerning the Bible, I don't know what so surprising. There were, for instance, many texts, called the apocrypha, written at the time, that didn't come into the "official" Bible.

The christian institution came from judaism, and was a another sect of judaism and still is. Yes as for the bible we have already come to the understanding that plain old mortals where just making it up as they went along.



Yes. It is my view, and the view of my ancient ancestors that accepted Christianity over their old religion.

Yes just like the Russian's and later Chinese all "accepted" communism in the last century.


BTW, I wonder how Egyptian pre-Christian cults fit into this theory of satanist paganism, especially the Oziris's cult, his death and ressurection, Izis as the God's Mother, and Seth as his opponent. Not an Indo-European cult though.

Egypt at one time was a White civilization, but being it is a lot older then current mainstream schools say. There religion went through different changes over time, not to mention there populations Racial make up. A lot of Aryan mystery cults had direct links to Egypt.



No, I chuckled because you were so appalled by that distorted image of Satanism, but yet on the other hand create a similar image concerning Christianity, viewing it as some dark cult of worshipping a vampiric deity called 'Jehova'.

Well that is what the god of the jews is a vampiric entity just like the jews themselves. As for the distorted image of Satanism those are the Aryan Gods that are being slandered by the jews and there offshoot sect christianity. How sick is that whorshipping a jew god and his jewish kid. While calling your own Aryan Gods evil. Not to mention making total war upon your own people and folkways and Gods in the name of jewhova. Yuck!



I didn't follow that out right. Were those abbreviations about "left-hand" and "right-hand" path? I'm not quite familiar with the terminology.

Yes they are.

[Banat]

The christian institution came from judaism, and was a another sect of judaism and still is.

Strange. Many think that they are different religions. Using that logic, Islam would be considered as one, too.

Yes just like the Russian's and later Chinese all "accepted" communism in the last century.

I think they accepted it a bit more willingly.

Egypt at one time was a White civilization, but being it is a lot older then current mainstream schools say. There religion went through different changes over time, not to mention there populations Racial make up. A lot of Aryan mystery cults had direct links to Egypt.

And what about Seth, then - an evil god, often associated with Satan?

Well that is what the god of the jews is a vampiric entity just like the jews themselves.

What about those who say that the god they worship isn't the same with the Christian God?

As for the distorted image of Satanism those are the Aryan Gods that are being slandered by the jews and there offshoot sect christianity.

If the story is about ancient Aryan gods, then why the Satan thing? Why involving Jewish terminology, and accepting those Satan and his fellow deamons, instead of worshiping the trees, Zeus, Odin or Brahma?

I see Satanism as some negation of Christianity, or an anti-Christianity, which it mostly is - a reaction to it. Ancient Aryan religions were affirmative in their essence, and they proclaimed their own ways. If they were true, why not returning to them, or reconstructing them, instead of messing with Jehovah-Satan issue, which is too totally alien to the same mentioned Aryan ways?

How sick is that whorshipping a jew god and his jewish kid.

Well, he was a good person, who helped people, performed miracles and eventually resurrected from death. And the Apostles were also good men who passed the story well, and the people seemed to like it. Even more - to embrace it, and not give it up even for their own lives. Those are reasons good enough for me why that worshipping wasn't sick.

While calling your own Aryan Gods evil.

Correction. Not evil, false.

Yes they are.

If I remeber well what RHP and LHP were, then Christianity condemns them both.

[Banat]

Lies. His main crime (or mine? ;)) was to have integrity to the extent that he would not bow before an inferior being, man.

I thought this version existed in Islam only.

[Vindex]

Strange. Many think that they are different religions. Using that logic, Islam would be considered as one, too.
Three weeds from the same root.



I think they accepted it a bit more willingly.
Yes you think they did.




And what about Seth, then - an evil god, often associated with Satan?
In ancient Egypt the God called by the big three Satan, was called Ptah.



What about those who say that the god they worship isn't the same with the Christian God?
What about them?



If the story is about ancient Aryan gods, then why the Satan thing? Why involving Jewish terminology, and accepting those Satan and his fellow deamons, instead of worshiping the trees, Zeus, Odin or Brahma

The word goes back farther, God, semitic three call, Satan is really the Creator of Humanity. That is why, and the Demons are also the original Gods so then why not.



I see Satanism as some negation of Christianity, or an anti-Christianity, which it mostly is - a reaction to it. Ancient Aryan religions were affirmative in their essence, and they proclaimed their own ways. If they were true, why not returning to them, or reconstructing them, instead of messing with Jehovah-Satan issue, which is too totally alien to the same mentioned Aryan ways?

This is the way you see, it does not make it the way it really is. A whorshipper of jehova is the last one to tell me about Aryan ways.



Well, he was a good person, who helped people, performed miracles and eventually resurrected from death. And the Apostles were also good men who passed the story well, and the people seemed to like it. Even more - to embrace it, and not give it up even for their own lives. Those are reasons good enough for me why that worshipping wasn't sick.

Was that in between jewsus calling gentiles lower then "dogs" and saying stuff like "if you love me you will hate your family" and "I have come to turn father against son and daughter against mother" or what about the "salvation is of the jews" or "those who would not have me rule over them bring them here and slay them before my feet." Banat are you one of those enunchs for christ that chirst talked as a good thing? That lead to hundreds of boys being literally deballed by the catholic church, so they could hit them high notes all sad life long. What by your standards that is all a good thing.lol



Correction. Not evil, false.
The jewiristians labelled the Aryan Gods evil beings, later on they started to call them false. Until Paganism started to make a come back now they are busting out the evil entity line again.



If I remeber well what RHP and LHP were, then Christianity condemns them both.
Ironically chirstianity is RHP.

[Anarch]

I thought this version existed in Islam only.

It's supported by the Old Testament apocrypha.

[Geist]

"Here at least we shall be free;
the Almighty hath not built
Here for His envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure; and, in my choice,
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven."

Anybody read Paradise Lost? You should at least read it to Book IV for a spectacular description of Satan, I wrote an essay about how Milton's debasement of Satan from Book IV to the 'squatting toad' causes the reader to question Miltons narrative.

[Excorcism]

Anybody read Paradise Lost? You should at least read it to Book IV for a spectacular description of Satan, I wrote an essay about how Milton's debasement of Satan from Book IV to the 'squatting toad' causes the reader to question Miltons narrative.

Book IV, is that the one where Satan goes to corrupt Adam and Eve and he preaches, due to his pride, how he couldn't denounce his previous actions?

[Geist]

Book IV, is that the one where Satan goes to corrupt Adam and Eve and he preaches, due to his pride, how he couldn't denounce his previous actions?

Book IV is where he squats beside Eve in the form of a toad, when he is basically debased character wise from glorious leader to well, animal. Not muhch talk in that book.

[Excorcism]

Book IV is where he squats beside Eve in the form of a toad, when he is basically debased character wise from glorious leader to well, animal. Not muhch talk in that book.

ya, it's in the same book, because Satan in the beginning takes notice of Eden before he transforms into a toad.

[Geist]

ya, it's in the same book, because Satan in the beginning takes notice of Eden before he transforms into a toad.

Ok good stuff, I really enjoyed the earlier parts of the poem, I found my interest lacking towards the end, the only thing of note I found was how much of a tyrant God appeared.

[Excorcism]

Ok good stuff, I really enjoyed the earlier parts of the poem, I found my interest lacking towards the end, the only thing of note I found was how much of a tyrant God appeared.

That's probably because John Milton was a Royalist and wrote Paradise Lost after the English Civil War

[Banat]

A whorshipper of jehova is the last one to tell me about Aryan ways.

It was an act of pure curiosity to have asked the question in the first place, but perhaps, as a Christian of Aryan heritage, I really shouldn't have. But if you didn't want to talk about that openly, you should have said it before.

Was that in between jewsus calling gentiles lower then "dogs" and saying stuff like "if you love me you will hate your family" and "I have come to turn father against son and daughter against mother" or what about the "salvation is of the jews" or "those who would not have me rule over them bring them here and slay them before my feet."

Banat are you one of those enunchs for christ that chirst talked as a good thing? That lead to hundreds of boys being literally deballed by the catholic church, so they could hit them high notes all sad life long. What by your standards that is all a good thing.lol

Here's a friendly advice. In order to be a true opponent of Christianity you should at least understand it more deeply, not to mention the respect a true opponent always has towards his enemy. Please do not get me wrong, you may be a good Satanist - I don't know, because I know hardly anything about Satanism, but with an insight in Christianity like this, and comments like those, you don't make much of an anti-Christian.

First, your Bible quotations were incorrect. Second, what is wrong with the true ones, and how do them dispute the statements you were replying to? Third, what the hell castrations of boys have to do with all this?

And to answer your question: I don't know what an "eunuch for Christ" is.

[Geist]

That's probably because John Milton was a Royalist and wrote Paradise Lost after the English Civil War

Of course, I mean he paints Satan in Book II as the leader of some kind of secular humanist democratic assembly and then of course shows how degenerate he is, of course God the friendly dictator restores order with the help of the elite of heaven, those aristocratic angels :D

[Banat]

Anybody read Paradise Lost? You should at least read it to Book IV for a spectacular description of Satan, I wrote an essay about how Milton's debasement of Satan from Book IV to the 'squatting toad' causes the reader to question Miltons narrative.

Another interesting book, for which I doubt you've read, is Nyegosh's (Montenegro) 19th century poem 'Light of Microcosm'. A original idea was presented there: Adam was one of the Archangels in the Heaven's struggle, and all mankind throughout ages were his angels. He was a loyal ally of Satan's, Archangel of Light, in his struggle to bring down the "tyranny", and bring freedom to all existence, giving every angel a 'sphere' to be a god of.

In that struggle Satan was winning over Michael, Gabriel and company (God didn't interfere), until at one moment (I think it was after the second day) Adam changed sides and joined Michael to cause the struggle change course and end the way it ended, causing disobedience, almost a rebellion, among many of his 'generals' and angels.

Punishment for Satan and his legions was the eternal exile from Heaven, while punishment for Adam and his angels was a temporary loss of memory of Heaven and eternal life, and a sentence for a 'mortal' life in a special realm, during which every angel of Adam's would prove his belonging to one of the sides.

And hence the interest of Satan and his daemons in mankind, some of them hating men as traitors, and some believing the alliance is still kept.

It's supported by the Old Testament apocrypha.

This is very interesting. Which ones?

[Vindex]

It was an act of pure curiosity to have asked the question in the first place, but perhaps, as a Christian of Aryan heritage, I really shouldn't have. But if you didn't want to talk about that openly, you should have said it before.

What I stated stands.





Here's a friendly advice. In order to be a true opponent of Christianity you should at least understand it more deeply, not to mention the respect a true opponent always has towards his enemy.

This is your assumption, as I understand it as being one brought up one, and being one for the most of my life. I have no respect for that which does not deserve any. I take it for what it really is, not what people desperate to cling to it twisted to be. As history shows christians can not fully agree on there own religion, hence the many different sects all claiming to be the real deal.



Please do not get me wrong, you may be a good Satanist - I don't know, because I know hardly anything about Satanism, but with an insight in Christianity like this, and comments like those, you don't make much of an anti-Christian.

Hmmmm, says who?............oh yes banat.lol

First, your Bible quotations were incorrect. Second, what is wrong with the true ones, and how do them dispute the statements you were replying to? Third, what the hell castrations of boys have to do with all this?

Where they now? Gee then why can I open up my bible and find them written in there then? I must be the only person who really read that book in the first place.lol Well as you have already stated what is written in your bible is not written. What is truth?

I just decided to point out the part of the bible that the catholic churched used as grounds to castrate thousands of young of males, so they would always hit the high notes in there universal church choirs.





And to answer your question: I don't know what an "eunuch for Christ" is.
If you read your new testiment you might.

[Björn]

Dr Sat0r: You would like the Gnostic text, "Adam's Apocolypse" or "Apocolypse of Adam." Not quite sure on the translation but it is right up your alleyway.

[Anarch]

This is very interesting. Which ones?

I'm fairly sure it's the Apocalypse of Adam, but I haven't read the apocrypha in a while (there's a copy at my university, I read a few of the 'books' between classes once).