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harjit
09-12-2006, 03:48 PM
We like Australia because you are there. :p

Australian welcome for Indian migrants

By Phil Mercer
BBC News, Sydney

Indians have emerged as the fastest-growing group of migrants entering Australia.

They are now the third-largest immigrant group behind the British and New Zealanders.

The Indians bring with them the expertise that Australia's booming economy desperately needs, amid a chronic skills shortage.

Engineers, accountants and health professionals are all making the move as India's reputation for producing a talented workforce continues to grow.

Shantanu Chakraborty moved to Sydney from Mumbai five years ago and is having the time of his life in his adopted homeland.

"They do value me (at work) because within two years of joining them they've given me a partnership offer in the firm, which is brilliant," the 32-year-old IT expert told the BBC. "If you are good at your work, opportunities are there."

It can be hard, though, for migrants to climb the career ladder.

Shantanu's wife, Nishita Bhansali, is a designer who has found it tough getting on at work.

"The interior design and architecture field here is fairly saturated. There's always someone out there who's maybe not as skilled but willing to work for less money," she explained.

Global competition

Most Indians find it easy to settle here. Many of the newcomers spent time studying in Australia before applying for permanent visas.

Australia vies for their skills with other western nations.

Former government adviser and newspaper columnist Gerard Henderson says it is vital that Australia does well in this global competition for skilled labour.

"The word has got out that Australia's looking for well-educated migrants with good English, and Indians fit that. So the question is whether those who want to leave India want to come to Australia or the United States or Britain or Canada," said Henderson.

"There's almost full employment in most parts of Australia and we're after workers for key industries."

Trade unions have complained that importing so many foreign workers does not address the root causes of Australia's skills shortage.

Dr Amanda Wise from Macquarie University says recruiting migrants might not be a long-term solution.

"There is some argument from the unions that it's actually a bit of a quick fix, that the government should be investing in Australian residents," Dr Wise explained.

"Should we just be going overseas to import skilled workers which is the cheap way for an employer to do it rather than training and education?" she asked.

'Motivated'

Indians make up around 10% of new settlers here and that figure is expected to rise. They are now surpassing the Chinese and the Vietnamese as well as the Italians and Greeks.

Dr Prabhat Sinha from the United Indian Association believes there are simple reasons why so many immigrants from India have done so well in Australia.

"Indians are very motivated people, it doesn't matter what profession they are in. Even in (the) business sector they're doing very well," he stressed.

"They are very understanding about the needs of a country, may it be business or whatever field it is."

Researchers point out that this can, however, be a lonely place for new migrants from India.

Social isolation and discrimination at work can pose problems. But for most newcomers the migration experience is a positive one.

The fact is Australia's vibrant economy simply cannot do without them.

Nishita and Shantanu are shining examples of the type of people Australia would like to attract.

"I think Australia's a great place to live and moving here is probably one of the best decisions we've both made in our lives," said 30-year-old Nishita enthusiastically.

"Absolutely," agreed her husband. "I don't think I'm going to go back unless there's something drastic happening on the other side of the world but now I'm here for life."

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/asia-pacific/5334878.stm

Published: 2006/09/11 12:37:04 GMT

Anarch
09-13-2006, 12:02 AM
Australia is not an economy. Australia has an economy. The economy should serve the people, not vice versa. The rest follows.

Atlas
09-13-2006, 12:41 AM
Indians are the first migrants group, followed by brits and NZ ? I couldn't have predicted that. I'd have rather thought, 1th lebaneses, 2nd, sudaneses, 3, asians etc.

Ahknaton
09-13-2006, 01:26 AM
Indians are the first migrants group, followed by brits and NZ ?
No, it's Brits and NZ, followed by Indians.

Just quietly, I don't see much to complain about with the current situation here. Australia practically already has a "White Nationalist" immigration policy (in effect, even if not in intent). The difference between the current state of affairs and a "White Australia" immigration policy is basically the difference between "Indo-European" pan-Aryanism (with a few other trickles of migrants from other sources) and stock-standard WN.

It's pretty much the same situation in New Zealand, and personally I don't have much of a problem with Indian immigrants. They don't commit crime, and they don't have the clash of cultural values with us that Muslims have. They also have a historical/cultural connection with us as members of the British Commonwealth. Fijian Indians are not bad people either. I do agree that the government should put more effort into training Australians to meet skill shortages rather than relying on immigration however.

The main areas of concern for people concerned about defending the White European identity of Western civilisation are Europe and the USA, not Australia & NZ. Those are the main fronts.

Atlas
09-13-2006, 01:30 AM
Oops my bad. Aussies can consider themselve lucky either way. They're probably the only white nation on Earth receiving mainly a white immmigration. I heard of a thousands somalies or sudanese landing in Australia for the last few years, but it's no big deal for now. What about the lebs Do they still come ?

Ahknaton
09-13-2006, 01:37 AM
Oops my bad. Aussies can consider themselve lucky either way. They're probably the only white nation on Earth receiving mainly a white immmigration. I heard of a thousands somalies or sudanese landing in Australia for the last few years, but it's no big deal for now. What about the lebs Do they still come ?
I don't know about lebs, they are mainly in Sydney (although we have a Lebanese premier here in Victoria). The biggest influx of lebs was in the 70s under the Fraser govt, I don't think there are that many now, but I suppose the war with Israel could create some refugees. There are plenty of Africans arriving in my neighbourhood recently (and making trouble already), but I don't think it's significant nationwide.

John Abney-Hastings
09-13-2006, 02:38 AM
No, it's Brits and NZ, followed by Indians.

Just quietly, I don't see much to complain about with the current situation here. Australia practically already has a "White Nationalist" immigration policy (in effect, even if not in intent). The difference between the current state of affairs and a "White Australia" immigration policy is basically the difference between "Indo-European" pan-Aryanism (with a few other trickles of migrants from other sources) and stock-standard WN.

It's pretty much the same situation in New Zealand, and personally I don't have much of a problem with Indian immigrants. They don't commit crime, and they don't have the clash of cultural values with us that Muslims have. They also have a historical/cultural connection with us as members of the British Commonwealth. Fijian Indians are not bad people either. I do agree that the government should put more effort into training Australians to meet skill shortages rather than relying on immigration however.

The main areas of concern for people concerned about defending the White European identity of Western civilisation are Europe and the USA, not Australia & NZ. Those are the main fronts.

I strongly agree with all of this except for one point. I don't like Fijian Indians, they have screwed up Fiji and they like violence. I hope this part of the forum will be home to threads about the Pacific Islands and Australia/NZ's interactions with them. The lebs are big trouble, but their country has been raped by the zionist state, so i can't help feeling slightly sorry for them.

harjit
09-13-2006, 05:01 AM
I strongly agree with all of this except for one point. I don't like Fijian Indians, they have screwed up Fiji and they like violence.
I've heard that the Indians in Fiji dominate the economy, while native Fijians are an underclass but hold political power and are the ones who cause violence. Which is correct?

As for Lebanese, there is a very large Lebanese community in Ottawa who have been there for decades (Paul Anka is from that community, and I think the song Diana was about a Lebanese-Canadian girl he knew there).

They are law-abiding and hard-working and there have been no tensions with them at all.

Anarch
09-13-2006, 10:03 AM
The lebs are big trouble, but their country has been raped by the zionist state, so i can't help feeling slightly sorry for them.

Precisely because they're big trouble that I can't bring myself to frown on Israel's going ballistic at them. Lebanese Christians, generally, aren't a massive problem. I confess, I did grow up being family friends with a Christian Lebanese family :p The dirt poor, savage rural Sunni Lebo's cause heaps of problems here, though.

No, it's Brits and NZ, followed by Indians.

Kiwi's don't count as 'immigrants' any more than Tasmanians joining civilization count ;) IIRC, thousands upon thousands of Pommies want to leave Britain, no doubt massive chunks of them have skills we need. I don't see a reason why our economically-centered immigration policy shouldn't evolve towards an ethnically-proportionate policy without impacting on our use of immigration as a way to make up for skills shortages, though.