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Felix the Cat
06-24-2006, 08:35 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/23/wapache23.xml&sSheet=/news/2006/06/23/ixnews.html

After years of suffering derision for being over budget and late into service, the Apache attack helicopter has become a vital asset on the Afghan battlefield as a life-saver for paratroopers on the ground.

For the first time the sleek gunships have been tested in a hostile environment and have performed beyond expectation, said the Army Air Corps pilots who fly it.

With an ability to pick out and shoot an insurgent up to two miles away, eight of the £38 million helicopters have been sent to Helmand in southern Afghanistan as part of the 3,300-strong British force that is attempting to bring law and order to a province overrun with Taliban and drug warlords.

It is the first time that the weapon has been used by the Army in combat.

"We will only engage enemy if it is entirely necessary but the message is we are not here to dish out sweets and if you take us on expect the consequences," said Lt Col Richard Felton, the commander of the joint helicopter force in Afghanistan.

"The Paras agree that we have been a great success to the extent that's it's been essential to the operations we have been on. It sends a message to the enemy and provides friends with reassurance.

"Is it value for money? In the past I found that difficult to explain but in the six weeks we have been out here the Apache has proven it is great value for money. It has saved lives already and offers tremendous protection for the troops on the ground."

The deployment of the new Apache last month came only after extensive problems were resolved to get the helicopters into service.

Bought at vast expense by Britain, it had been bogged down by delays, with procurement issues, such as the function of its radio system, and the lack of trained pilots all needing to be addressed before it could be brought into use.

Concerns about its vulnerability to attack were also raised after dozens of American Apaches on missions in both Iraq and Afghanistan were badly shot up from the ground.

But since finally deploying in Afghanistan in early May, the British-developed Apache has been involved with success in 10 firefights, the majority so far in support of American and Canadian troops, and has fired 1,200 rounds of 30mm ammunition from the machine gun mounted under its belly.

From its arsenal of weapons the helicopter has also fired a Hellfire anti-tank missile and some rockets.

Its inaugural use in support of British troops came earlier this month when the men of the 3rd Bn, the Parachute Regiment fought a six-hour battle in the town of Nauzad in which 21 Taliban were killed.

The pilots involved, who did not give surnames in case they are captured, yesterday spoke for the first time about their combat operations. Capt Nick, 29, from Sussex, was down to his last few minutes of fuel when he saw two Taliban shooting at the Paras from behind a wall.

Locking on to the targets by turning his head towards them with the 30mm cannon automatically following his gaze, the insurgents became the latest Apache victims.

"It was very satisfying at the debrief back at base when a lot of Paras came up to us and said 'That rocks, thanks guys'," he said.

Staff Sgt John, 37, said: "When the Taliban opened up we laid suppressing fire all around them. The Paras were very impressed with the service that we provided. The Apaches have saved lives here, without a doubt."

OVERWATCH
06-25-2006, 06:41 AM
That's not the best environment for helos, thin mountain air makes for poor lift and high fuel consumption.

WFHermans
06-25-2006, 11:56 AM
...the Apache has proven it is great value for money. It has saved lives already...
"We had to destroy the village to save it." Famous quote from the Vietnam war.

Niko Bellic
07-01-2006, 04:39 AM
Locking on to the targets by turning his head towards them with the 30mm cannon automatically following his gaze, the insurgents became the latest Apache victims.

America! Fuck, yeah!!!

Sulla the Dictator
07-01-2006, 04:43 AM
That's not the best environment for helos, thin mountain air makes for poor lift and high fuel consumption.

Considering the difficulty of the terrain, I would think Afghanistan would be exactly the type of environment for helos and air cavalry. The Soviets used them to great effect until we helped the Afghans take them down.

OVERWATCH
07-01-2006, 02:15 PM
Considering the difficulty of the terrain, I would think Afghanistan would be exactly the type of environment for helos and air cavalry. The Soviets used them to great effect until we helped the Afghans take them down.

Well, you are partially correct, aircav is the choice unit for movement in such rough terrain, but it can hardly be considered an ideal environment for helos, due to the thin air.

Additionally, abrasive airborne debris like small rocks and such, which is abundant in Afganistan,greatly aggravate maintenence problems and cause sudden equipment failure, particularly for V/STOL aircraft like helos.

JAT
07-07-2006, 09:07 AM
Did the problem with debris from Hellfires damaging the countertorque rotor ever get corrected?

Felix the Cat
09-17-2006, 11:02 PM
http://www.modoracle.com/news/detail.h2f?id=11598

The Army's Apache attack helicopters have delivered devastating effect for the NATO force in Afghanistan's Helmand Province.

Keeping a close eye on whatever might be going on around Camp Bastion in Helmand Province are a squadron of Apache helicopters; part of the Joint Helicopter Force, a tri-service unit that has already proved its worth in Iraq.

And as neighbourhood watch schemes go, they don't come any better than 656 Squadron AAC. To perform their eye-in-the-sky role these state of the art snoopers have night vision systems, CCD TV target trackers, thermal imaging and radar that can spot vehicles as small as a motorbike – one of the Taliban's preferred method of getting around.

The helicopters can also swiftly deliver a powerful punch when the forward operations bases or patrols need it. Apache's defining weapon is the 30mm cannon which can put down pinpoint-accurate fire at a rate of 625 rounds a minute. When larger area cover is called for, or when enemy buildings need to be knocked out, there are hellfire missiles and CRV7 rockets. Which means that the Apaches can destroy targets up to 12kms away.

Officer in charge, Major Andy Cash, works from an operations tent just a 30 second stroll from that of the 3 Para command in Camp Bastion. The proximity has made a huge difference in terms of battle planning and briefing. He said:

"It means that when we go out we are fully aware of the battlegroup's plans".

"25 degrees C seems cold to us, so sometimes we have to put the heating on..."

Lance Corporal Martin Booker
Apaches also escort the operation's aerial workhorses, the C130 Hercules transport planes and the huge Chinook transport helicopters.

So far the main threat to aircraft has come from small arms fire, but Major Cash is clear about the need to be alert for other weapons. He said:

"We have all the measures we need to counter the assessed threats".

Before deployment, there had been some doubts expressed about how well the Apache would be able to cope with the extreme conditions in Afghanistan. But the helicopters have performed exceptionally well. Flying high and hot is always a challenge for helicopters as the engines have to work significantly harder.

Flying through dust like talcum powder at 120 knots (222 kph) is also a challenge. Major Cash said:

"One pilot said the other day he'd rather do another year in Iraq than have to do another heavy dust landing here,

"But the Apache copes a lot better than I imagined. They are carrying heavier loads longer distances than the US aircraft."

It seems that one of the few down sides of the Apache falls to the ground crew. Lance Corporal Martin Booker said:

"Its not so bad working in the cockpit with the aircon going,

"But we are so used to the temperatures being in the fifties now, 25 degrees C seems cold to us, so sometimes we have to put the heating on instead."

WFHermans
09-18-2006, 02:38 PM
The Apache helicopters are shot down with the same weapons ZOG gave to the resistance.

War is a jewish racket.

cerberus
10-07-2006, 11:19 PM
WFH - it seems that giving you your own play ground to bash jews in didn't really work .
Tell em WFH , what is it like to be truely obessed - are all your sleeping and waking moments consumed with thoughts of Jews and what they might do to you ? :confused:

OVERWATCH
10-08-2006, 01:31 AM
WFH's "theory" regarding 'ZOG' weapons (read: Stinger missiles) has already been debunked elsewhere, because A) The CIA bought back most of the Stingers from the Muj and B) the Stingers sold to the Muj in the late 80ies have well exceeded their shelf-life.