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Anarch
09-19-2006, 07:14 AM
What the hell is going on? Why are judges handing out chunks of our country?

Perth native title claim upheld

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20439708-2,00.html
September 19, 2006 04:06pm

THE Noongar indigenous people are the traditional owners of Perth and its surrounds and their native title continues to exist in the area, a federal court judge has ruled.

Eighty Noongar people, represented by the South-West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council (SWALSC), lodged the Single Noongar native title claim in the federal court in September 2003.

The claim is one of the nation's largest and covers 193,956 square kilometres, from Hopetoun in the south to north of Jurien Bay.

Federal Court judge Justice Murray Wilcox today said the Noongar people were the traditional owners of the whole claim area, excluding offshore islands.

"I have reached the conclusion that the Single Noongar applicants are correct in claiming that, in 1829, the laws and customs governing land throughout the whole claim area were those of a single community," Justice Wilcox told the court.

Justice Wilcox ruled the Noongar people continue to have native title of more than 6000 square kilometres, covering Perth and its surrounds.

The ruling means Noongar people can now exercise native title rights over land where native title has not been extinguished by "legislative or executive acts" such as freehold land.

Justice Wilcox said the Noongar people, against the odds, had maintained their culture and customs since European settlement.

They continue to teach their children the Noongar language, and many are taught traditional skills such as hunting and fishing, he said.

They also maintain a connection with their traditional spiritual beliefs.

"I have concluded that the contemporary Noongar community acknowledges and observes laws and customs relating to land which are a recognisable adaptation to their situation of laws and customs existing at the date of settlement," he said.

"But for any question of extinguishment of native title ... native title still exists in relation to the whole of the land and waters in the area of the separate proceeding, other than off-shore islands and land and waters below the low-water mark," he said.

More than 100 Noongar people and their supporters cheered as Justice Wilcox read out his decision in court.

Justice Wilcox did not rule on native title in the rest of the claim area.

South-West Aboriginal Land and Sea Council chief executive Glen Kelly said the decision was a long overdue recognition of the Noongar people's identity.

Mr Kelly called on the WA Government to now join the Noongar people in negotiating native title over the rest of the claim area, rather than continuing with litigation.

John Abney-Hastings
09-19-2006, 07:20 AM
What the hell is going on? Why are judges handing out chunks of our country?

Mr Kelly called on the WA Government to now join the Noongar people in negotiating native title over the rest of the claim area, rather than continuing with litigation.

Wait a minute. Wasn't this decision the result of a process of litigation? Surely they should have continued to negotiate rather than sueing? Blatant hypocrisy, as usual.

Ahknaton
09-19-2006, 07:58 AM
What exactly are the implications of native title? Does it mean that the tribe now owns all the land? What happens to farmers etc who are on the land?

Bartholomew Roberts
09-19-2006, 08:59 AM
From what I was told 'native title' is on par with the crown, but it does not own any land that is already in use. I may be wrong though - do not quote me on this one.

Jonathan
09-20-2006, 09:30 AM
If these people are dependant on the Judges decision then they are doomed. This reminds me of the Surrender and Regrant scheme in Tudor Ireland.

Anarch
09-20-2006, 12:40 PM
The Government's challenging the decision because they think (and I agree) that native title will disrupt life in Perth. For example, a sacrifice to the sky demons in a local park where kids go and play.

Jimbo Gomez
09-20-2006, 12:50 PM
Can't you guys just banish those donks into the dersert or so and keep your cities for the civilized folk? I'm sure they'll survive.

Anarch
09-20-2006, 12:57 PM
Can't you guys just banish those donks into the dersert or so and keep your cities for the civilized folk? I'm sure they'll survive.
We have common law, not your Napoleonic crap :p Which now poses a problem. Unless the entire aboriginal population was erased extra-legally, the Mabo decision (that created the entire bloody problem) factors in to all of this whenever the issue pops up again.

Jimbo Gomez
09-20-2006, 01:03 PM
We have common law, not your Napoleonic crap :p Which now poses a problem. Unless the entire aboriginal population was erased extra-legally, the Mabo decision (that created the entire bloody problem) factors in to all of this whenever the issue pops up again.


Napoleon would have dealt with them properly.

Anarch
09-20-2006, 01:05 PM
So would the British Marines.

But then, Napoleon lost Waterloo. PWN3D.

Jimbo Gomez
09-20-2006, 01:09 PM
So would the British Marines.

But then, Napoleon lost Waterloo. PWN3D.


Had your marines dealt with them back then, they wouldn't pose a problem anymore these days...

Anarch
09-20-2006, 01:19 PM
Au contraire, blame it on the government for restraining the people. Mind you, the colonial authorities did do Tasmanians (two headed beasts) the favour of saving them from native title claims.