Duceppe argues for sovereign Quebec army

[Sinclair]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051029.wduceppe1029/BNStory/National/

For fuck's sake. Another damn referendum? God knows the rest of Canada will just end up throwing more money at them, as usual.

And Quebec having its own army, ESPECIALLY if that was gotten by appropriating CANADIAN FEDERAL PROPERTY, well, gah!

This is an issue that makes me very angry. :mad:

[Jimbo Gomez]

Your anti-French racism is disturbing Daniel the younger.

[Atlas]

Quebecer aren't French Stan, they are just Quebecer. I can understand his point though. Quebec is a pain in the ass for most english-canadian.

[Excorcism]

hehe, I can understand their viewpoint because they want more representation and they're shrinking...but no one likes them and they're shrinking in size because they suck. LOL :o

[Hakluyt]

Duceppe is (was; always will be) a Maoist, for the information of those concerned.

[Excorcism]

Duceppe is (was; always will be) a Maoist, for the information of those concerned.

hehe, I'm guessing he sees things through the barrel of a gun. Boy, it must be interesting seeing him talk during peace conferences.

[Felix the Cat]

A neverendum :D

Sinclair, how badly would Quebec independence hurt the rest of canada?

If (say) Quebec imposes tariffs on Canadian trade with Europe, could these be avoided in any way? Could such trade be easily rerouted via the US?

Is Canada dependent on any vital commodity found only in Quebec?

[Sinclair]

A neverendum :D

Sinclair, how badly would Quebec independence hurt the rest of canada?

If (say) Quebec imposes tariffs on Canadian trade with Europe, could these be avoided in any way? Could such trade be easily rerouted via the US?

Is Canada dependent on any vital commodity found only in Quebec?

It would take a large chunk out of Canadian truck and rail routes, for one thing.

For another thing, a lot of the separation plans involve Canada footing the bill for various things.

[Felix the Cat]

Looking at a map suggests that the economy of Toronto would be completely at the mercy of an independent Quebec

Even if they choose not to close the river, the possibility that they might would push insurance premiums up to unpleasant levels

[Hakluyt]

Closing the seaway is something even the staunchest of separatists have backed off from a long time ago, and with the way it's perceived now in both Quebec and the rest of Canada it would probably be understood as casus belli.

Economy- nothing essential to the rest of Canada, largest industries are forestry and pulp & paper, which every other province is practically self-sufficient in. High-tech and specialised industries would fold without federal investment, unless the new government were to take on an enormous deficit to sustain them or attract foreign,maybe French investment. Hydro-Quebec is a sticky issue, as it's the greatest source of pride and sense of self-sufficiency for separatists, but its infrastructure would almost certainly be left outside of the province's borders upon separation. Canada is not dependent upon that industry either though, and most of Quebec's hydroelectric power is exported to the northeastern USA.

The province of Quebec as an entity was designed to serve the confederation, and was territorially divided for convenience, not in accordance with the interests of English Canada. Upon any kind of sovereignty deal, it's current borders would absolutely not be respected as final, for this reason and two others primarily: the northwestern 2 or 3/5ths of the province has already voted overwhelmingly (95%+) on a constituency basis not to separate in a 1995 referendum, and unilateral secession (from a sovereign Quebec and into Canada) of many towns and cities in the South, south-east and on the Gaspe peninsula is very likely, probably some on a constituency basis as well, but a number of areas will simply carve themselves through arbitration.

[Vindex]

As a White Separtist I support the frenchies right to separate. From the section of the global plutocracy holding plantion, known as soviet canukistand.

And the canadian frenchies think of themselves as frenchies. I always liked the frenchies of soviet canukistand, maybe I will go live there if they win.
*wipes ass on canukistand flag*

[Golobulus]

Quebec wins most of Canada's gold medals. A Quebecois placed third at this years World's Strongest Man competition

[ironweed]

I vaguely remember reading about a movement inside the Maritime provinces to petition to also leave Canada, but to join the USA...should the Pea Soupers ever gain independence. Something about how isolated the Atlantic provinces would be from the rest of Canada, if I'm remembering correctly. Not sure how that would work, but I'm also not sure how well they'd do with a sovereign state between them and the rest of Canada.

I'd be all for it. Us Americans need a place to dump our atomic waste. Probably the most productive use you could put a place life Newfoundland to. :p

[Felix the Cat]

Hm. That would give the US the same power over Quebec that Quebec would have over Toronto

Valuable fishing grounds too

I can't imagine Montreal peacefully permitting the Maritimes and/or Newfoundland to split off and join the US

[Anarch]

I can't imagine Montreal peacefully permitting the Maritimes and/or Newfoundland to split off and join the US

Can't imagine Canada winning a war over it either, lol.

Quebec should be forcibly assimilated into the rest of Canada. And then Canada should be annexed by the United States. Australia should annex New Zealand and occupy South Africa, set up an ethnocultural protectorate for the Boers, and incorporate the British South Africans (and what remains of the white Rhodesians) into the new Southern British Empire :D The blacks can get deported into Namibia. The SBA could make a deal with the United States to let their blacks get deported to Namibia too. I think it'd be pretty interesting watching yankee blacks go to war against zulus.

[Sinclair]

Frankly, separatism in Canada pisses me off. To hear the Quebecker or Albertan separatists talk, Toronto is some sort of dark overlord, casting death and doom over the lesser provinces.

[Hakluyt]

I share the sentiments Sinclair, the motivation for it is by and large horribly shallow and short sighted, but it's a reality and you have to deal with it, Confederation doesn't offer any compelling sense of purpose anymore. As an imperialist I'd like it to again, but I can only see any sense of purpose for any of Canada's ethnic groups coming in the form of a cultural renewal following the collapse of the current framework

[Sinclair]

I just bet there wasn't a civil war with Quebec back in the 70s or whenever because, well, the Americans had a civil war, AND WE'RE NOT AMERICANS.

So instead we gave them money.

[Atlas]

You're still on the north-American continent, and that's make you an American. Is it that hard to admitt ?

[Felix the Cat]

I just bet there wasn't a civil war with Quebec back in the 70s or whenever because, well, the Americans had a civil war, AND WE'RE NOT AMERICANS.

So instead we gave them money.
If you all had quarrelled back then the Russians would have seized control of the arctic

That's no longer a concern.

[Anarch]

If you all had quarrelled back then the Russians would have seized control of the arctic

That's no longer a concern.
I call bullshit :p The Americans would've occupied Canada as a stabilisation force and invoked the Monroe Doctrine to keep Soviet influence to a minimum.

[Felix the Cat]

Yea, that's what likely would have happened

But absent the Soviet threat, what incentive does the US have to get involved in a Canadian civil war?

[Hakluyt]

There's no incentive now, but in the 70's an emerging republic would almost certainly have been a socialist if not explicitly Marxist one, and quite unfriendly in every regard with the Americans.