Protestant Kirk back gays to adopt

[dave777]

http://scot.altermedia.info/general/kirk-backs-same-sex-adoption-move_864.html

The Church of Scotland has backed proposals to allow unmarried and same-sex couples to adopt.

Its church and society council said some within the Kirk felt the Scottish Executive reform undermined marriage.

In its formal response, the church said the child’s best interests had to be paramount and stressed that marriage provided the most stable environment.

But it said the system was not meeting youngsters’ needs and that, on balance, it supported the proposed law change.

The executive unveiled its plans for a radical overhaul of Scotland’s adoption and fostering legislation in June

[Alfred_Dunhill]

http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/7414/278enusbig2fe.jpg

Father Seamus says:
I'm opposed t' this idea, sure. Send yer wee ones to me, why don't you? I'll make sure that they're in gentle, loving hands...

[Billy Score]

Scotland is DOOMED.

[Lenny]

Belgian Catholics backing gay adoptions:

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Belgium backs gay adoption plans

Belgian MPs have backed plans to allow adoption by gay couples, two years after legalising same-sex marriage.

The lower house of Belgium's parliament voted 77-62 in favour of the measure, which must also pass the upper house.

If fully approved, Belgium will become the third EU country, after Sweden and Spain, to allow same-sex adoption.

Belgium campaigners say that many children are currently cared for by homosexual couples, but without adequate legal protection.

The law will grant gay couples in Belgium the same rights as heterosexual couples, allowing them to adopt children from anywhere in the world.

In Germany and Denmark, homosexual adoption is limited to the partners' biological children.

Final approval by the upper house, or Senate, is expected in March.

Two years ago, Belgium voted to approve same-sex marriage, with an estimated 5,000 ceremonies held since then.

A string of other European countries also allow gay marriage or full civil rights, including Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain and other Scandinavian nations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4491688.stm

[Jimbo Gomez]

Christian Democrats opposed it. Doesn't matter, all those who voted to pass this law have a hatred for all things Catholic, and the Christian Democrats aren't much better.

Say what you want about the HRC, but wether or not you like it you'll have to agree their doctrin is crystal clear about homosexuals.

[Lenny]

all those who voted to pass this law have a hatred for all things CatholicIn a 80% Catholic country, 55% of the voting legislators (77/139) have a "hatred for all things Catholic"? :rolleyes: This is not believable, clearly there were a good number Catholic proponents of gay marriage in there

Say what you want about the HRC, but wether or not you like it you'll have to agree their doctrin is crystal clear about homosexuals.You wouldn't know it would you, from their actions and their "notorious" priesthood

[Jimbo Gomez]

Lenny, from the actions of the Cliton administration, would you have said the USA has so many Christians either? From the border control policy, would you know your leaders are all white with the exception of that one negress?

I know even you aren't dumb enough to think that in these days, politicians act out of what the people see as their best interests.

[Lenny]

I know even you aren't dumb enough to think that in these days, politicians act out of what the people see as their best interests.People's best interest or not, the point is that it is an example of Roman Catholics supporting gay adoptions :eek:

[Felix the Cat]

Wierd as hell

Is there any church not infested by sodomites and their enablers?

[Jimbo Gomez]

People's best interest or not, the point is that it is an example of Roman Catholics supporting gay adoptions :eek:

These people are usually baptised yes, but they're not religious and don't consider themselves Catholic. Odd how you say in that Australian thread that such people are not real Catholics, but in this thread, where the opposite position fits you better, you say this.

A fine example of hypocrisy.

[Lenny]

These people are usually baptised yes, but they're not religious and don't consider themselves Catholic. Odd how you say in that Australian thread that such people are not real Catholics, but in this thread, where the opposite position fits you better, you say this.

A fine example of hypocrisy.I never said they are not real Catholics :argue:

Even if they are not ultra devoutly religious, it is still a clear as night example of Catholic supporters of gay adoptions

[Jimbo Gomez]

Oh bullshit. These people don't consider themselves Catholic, they didn't attend mass in many years, they do everything they can to break Catholic doctrin, and their ultimate goal is to 'secularize' Europe. You know this damn well, but your hypocrisy forbids you to be consistent with this.

I pointed this out and you're too blind to see it.

[Lenny]

If you dont like a hometown example, I will provide another example which you cannot wiggle out of:

Last month there was a governor's election in Virginia, the two main candidates were: Jerry Kilgore (Protestant Republicoon), Tim Kaine (Roman Catholic Democrat)

Tim Kaine made a big deal all the time of his Catholicism during the campaign, he was clearly a true Catholic, he even served as a Catholic missionary. I discovered one of his spanish-language leaflets in which he bragged about his Catholicism to hispanic audiences in order to win their votes.

The Roman Catholic Kaine is also a supporter of gay adoptions. The gay newspaper "Washington Blade" endorsed and strongly supported him and gloated and celebrated his victory. (See article below)

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Gay groups cheer Va. election result
Defeat of Kilgore and anti-gay delegates seen as turning point

Gay groups across the political spectrum celebrated the results of Virginia’s Nov. 8 election. With the defeat of Republican gubernatorial candidate Jerry Kilgore, and three staunchly anti-gay candidates for the House of Delegates, many say they sense the beginning of the end of agenda-setting by social conservatives in Virginia politics.

Lt. Gov. Tim Kaine, a Democrat, solidly defeated Republican Jerry Kilgore 52 to 46 percent.

"Jerry Kilgore ran a campaign that included gay-bashing, immigrant-bashing, and bashing Tim Kaine for his religious beliefs as a Catholic," said Josh Israel, president of the Virginia Partisans Gay & Lesbian Democratic Club. "His defeat is a sign that the politics of division are not the way to go."

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During the campaign, the Kilgore campaign ran ads saying that Kaine supported gay adoption. Kaine’s position is that the current law — which says the best interest of the child is the primary consideration, and allows single people and married couples to adopt — strikes the right balance, of the Kaine campaign.


http://www.washblade.com/2005/11-11/news/localnews/va-election.cfm

[Jimbo Gomez]

Uh huh, just as George Bush is a true protestant no doubt?

You know very well that American politicians claim to be religious in order to trick believers into voting for them.

According to the official doctrin of the HRC, his beliefs about sodomites are sinful. If he were really a Catholic instead of a poser he'd know this.

[Lenny]

Uh huh, just as George Bush is a true protestant no doubt?

You know very well that American politicians claim to be religious in order to trick believers into voting for them.He is a true Catholic, he served as a Catholic missionary! How would a fake Catholic serve as a mssionary :confused:

You probably have never even heard of the Catholic Kaine but you speak as if youre so sure he is lying about his religious beliefs. You are wrong: according to everything, he is a real genuine Catholic

[Jimbo Gomez]

Uh huh, just like John Kerry was no doubt...

[Lenny]

Uh huh, just like John Kerry was no doubt... "Mr. Kaine was raised in a Catholic family in Missouri and attended Catholic high school there. While his classmates at Harvard Law School were on the fast track to big dollar corporate careers, Mr. Kaine elected to take a year off to work with a group of Jesuit missionaries in Honduras....Catholics can be proud of a candidate like Tim Kaine..."

This is from a group called "Catholic Democrats", they also opened their discussion of Kaine describing him as "a devoted Roman Catholic". Are you calling the Catholics (Catholic Democrats organization) liars?

http://www.catholicdemocrats.net/Virginia%20governor.php

[Jimbo Gomez]

They're politicians, of course they're liars.

[Lenny]

They're politicians, of course they're liars.It is not politicians it is a group of pious Catholics giving information about their favorite son :mad:

[Jimbo Gomez]

It is not politicians it is a group of pious Catholics giving information about their favorite son :mad:

Are you saying Catholics can be pious?

[Lenny]

Are you saying Catholics can be pious?Yes any members of any religion can be pious

As you can see, many true Catholics do support gays adoption both in the American Union and European Union

[Jimbo Gomez]

I do not see it at all. According to your own views Catholicism is basically what the Pope says it is. As you very well know, the Pope is anything but fond of sodomites. A man with your beliefs can't possibly say that true catholics can be pro sodomites while retaining some consistency.

But I know you well enough to reale you don't care about being consistant. :)

Oh: your last post sucked so I'll give you bad rep for it. :D

[Lenny]

I do not see it at all.You do see but you choose not to acknowledge it

According to your own views Catholicism is basically what the Pope says it is. As you very well know, the Pope is anything but fond of sodomites. A man with your beliefs can't possibly say that true catholics can be pro sodomites while retaining some consistency.If what the Pope says = What "true" Catholics believe, see the attached image :eek: then we'll see you sing a completely different song

[Jimbo Gomez]

As usual, you only read half of my post before replying. Wait, let me highlight certain parts to make it clearer for you:

According to your own views Catholicism is basically what the Pope says it is.

Better?

[Lenny]

As usual, you only read half of my post before replying. Wait, let me highlight certain parts to make it clearer for you:I read that but clearly you were saying that as your own view :argue: that the Pope was against gay adoption so all true Catholics must be too

If that is true then all true Catholics also support Islam :eek: (see attachment above)

[Jimbo Gomez]

I was not saying that, my post was perfectly clear and left no room for deviant interpretation.. You just got your ass handed to you. Be a man and admit your mistake.

[Lenny]

I was not saying that, my post was perfectly clear and left no room for deviant interpretation.. You just got your ass handed to you. Be a man and admit your mistake.You were clearly implying that :argue: You are now backtracking and trying to hide what you were saying

Now stop trying to muddy the waters :mad: I have proven conclusively that there are Catholics supporting gay adoptions. You refuse to admit this for reasons unknown :confused: but anyone can see it is true

[Jimbo Gomez]

You didn't prove anything. You deliberately misinterpret clear posts in order to deceive and pervert, like the cryptoyid that you are.

Shame on you.

[Lenny]

You didn't prove anything. You deliberately misinterpret clear posts in order to deceive and pervert, like the cryptoyid that you are.You are continuing to refuse to admit that there are Catholic supporters of gay adoption, what you are doing is like someone trying to deny that North Carolina is north of South Carolina, i.e. frantically denying a clearly obvious fact

What the hell is "cryptoyid" mean :confused: :mad:

[Jimbo Gomez]

I deny that those who call themselves Catholic and support the sodomites are good Catholics yes. Only you have such limited cranial capacity to deduce from that that I say that there are no 'Catholics' who do that. Of course some people call themselves Catholic and defend the sodomites, but that is intentionally creating confusion about the meaning of Catholic.

Oh: I think just about anyone else here knew what the word cryptoyid meant. Analyze it son.

[Lenny]

I deny that those who call themselves Catholic and support the sodomites are good Catholics yes. Only you have such limited cranial capacity to deduce from that that I say that there are no 'Catholics' who do that. Of course some people call themselves Catholic and defend the sodomites, but that is intentionally creating confusion about the meaning of Catholic.How convenient for you isn't it? When Catholics do something you dont like or say something you dont agree with, those Catholics "must not be a 'true Catholics' " :rofl:

Clearly there are Catholics who support gay adoption, your attempt to avoid adimitting this fact by using lies has failed.

[jcs]

Clearly there are Catholics who support gay adoption, your attempt to avoid adimitting this fact by using lies has failed.
Catholicism itself is quite obviously opposed to homosexuality, and therefore to gay adoption. Those 'Catholics' who disagree with the official church views on such issues are not properly Catholic, of course.
If a Protestant worshiped Muhommad and Buddha, wore a mock pope-hat, went by the name 'Satan,' and ritually sacrificed snails to a Jew down the street, all while calling himself a good Protestant,--would he still be a Protestant?

[Lenny]

Catholicism itself is quite obviously opposed to homosexuality, and therefore to gay adoption. Those 'Catholics' who disagree with the official church views on such issues are not properly CatholicStay out of this JCS :mad:

I wonder why it is that every single time someone speaks against Catholicism, there JCS is, eagerly jumping to the defense of the Catholic religion and the Catholic Church :confused: plus he claims not to even be Catholic (yeah, right)

[Ace Rimmer]

Stay out of this JCS :mad:

LOL!

I wonder why it is that every single time someone speaks against Catholicism, there JCS is, eagerly jumping to the defense of the Catholic religion and the Catholic Church :confused: plus he claims not to even be Catholic (yeah, right)

He speaks against stupidity, obviously.

[jcs]

your zeal in support of Catholicism has grown more and more obvious every day! If you love Catholicism why dont you form a papal army and try to attack Protestants, then we'll see who's who wont we!
:rofl:

plus he claims not to even be Catholic (yeah, right)
I was baptised Catholic, but since then God and I have been having some problems and had to split up.

[Ace Rimmer]

LOL. :rofl:

[Jimbo Gomez]

Answer the man's question Lenny.

[Lenny]

Answer the man's question Lenny.His question is stupid and is a strawman :argue:

[jcs]

His question is stupid and is a strawman
It's not a strawman at all. A strawman is where I misrepresent someone else's view so as to more easily attack it. Your view is that a man who calls himself 'Catholic' yet upholds views that are contrary to those held by the Church is still Catholic. If that is sound, then 'Satan the Protestant' is a true Protestant.

[Lenny]

It's not a strawman at all.It is because I was never talking about Buddha or Mohammed or Satan was I? :mad: The issue is gays not anything else

Your view is that a man who calls himself 'Catholic' yet upholds views that are contrary to those held by the Church is still CatholicThere are Catholics who support gay adoption so this is not an issue

Not every single Catholic on earth supports and agrees with every single thing that the Pope and Roman Catholic Church says. You are mis-representing the facts again to support your pro-Catholic views. Nothing new with you is there JCS, always the same modis operendi

[jcs]

It is because I was never talking about Buddha or Mohammed or Satan was I? The issue is gays not anything else
The actions of 'Satan the Protestant' run counter to the basic beliefs of Protestantism; similarly, the actions of gay-loving pseudo-Catholics run counter to the basic beliefs of Catholicism. It's not a straw-man, stop being retarded.

There are Catholics who support gay adoption so this is not an issue
When it comes to the issue of gay adoption, those Catholics are not being Catholic, in that they are not adhering to the basic Catholic views. Similarly, 'Satan the Protestant' wasn't adhering to basic Protestant (or even Christian, for that matter) views, and so could not be considered 'Protestant,' even if he called himself such. Unless snail-sacrifices are cool with Protestants. Are they, Lenny? If so, I guess he'd be a Protestant, and these pseudo-Catholics could drop the 'pseudo' from their title. Otherwise, though, I'm right and you're wrong. As usual.

[Lenny]

The actions of 'Satan the Protestant' run counter to the basic beliefs of Protestantism; similarly, the actions of gay-loving pseudo-Catholics run counter to the basic beliefs of Catholicism. It's not a straw-man, stop being retarded.Basic beliefs of Catholicism that are set in stone and 100% absolute? Wrong yet again. See here:

Catholic Church divided over gays (http://www.wpherald.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20051201-120152-3812r)


What the Catholic Church says is not 100% relevant anyway, because clearly and undeniably there are Catholics who support gays adoption.

[Jimbo Gomez]

CELIBATARY queers Lenny. To me homosexuality is defined as men who sleep with men (or try to but don't succeed in 'scoring a piece of ass'. Celibatary men who are attracted to men aren't queer.

Asdes from that: what some American bishops think is irrelevant, our Holy Father has spoken on the matter.

[Lenny]

CELIBATARY queers Lenny.Maybe so but it doesn't change the fact does it, that there is conflict over gays in the Catholic religion

When it comes to the issue of gay adoption, those Catholics are not being CatholicGive me a break! How very convenient for you Catholics isn't it, that every time a Catholic does something you dont like, it's: "oh that's not a true Catholic". This is ridiculous :argue: it is a complete lie.

The fact is there are Catholics who support gay adoptions! This is not a matter of debate of philosophical gobility gook, it is fact

Satan has nothing to do with this JCS, this discussion is about gays not satan so that argument is nonsense! So as I said before JCS, stay out of this :mad:

[jcs]

Satan has nothing to do with this JCS, this discussion is about gays not satan so that argument is nonsense! So as I said before JCS, stay out of this
'Satan the Protestant' has everything to do with this. Is everyone who claims to be such-and-such, yet fails to adhere to the beliefs that constitute such-and-such truly such-and-such? If a pseudo-Catholic calling himself Catholic is truly Catholic, 'Satan' is truly a Protestant.
You see, Lenny, what one calls oneself has nothing to do with what one IS. Unless you claim that Satan is a true Protestant, you must agree here. And if you were to admit that, I'd conclude that you're a complete moron.

And until you admit you're wrong, I'll conclude that you're a complete moron, because you fail to understand that Satan has everything to do with this.

[Lenny]

'Satan the Protestant' has everything to do with this. Is everyone who claims to be such-and-such, yet fails to adhere to the beliefs that constitute such-and-such truly such-and-such? If a pseudo-Catholic calling himself Catholic is truly CatholicYou're a fool :rofl: The way to determine who is Catholic and who is not is based on self-identification. Clearly there are self-identified Catholics who support gays adoptions.

And until you admit you're wrong, I'll conclude that you're a complete moron, because you fail to understand that Satan has everything to do with this.It has nothing to do with anything :mad:

[Dionysus]

Lenny:You're a fool :rofl: The way to determine who is Catholic and who is not is based on self-identification. Clearly there are self-identified Catholics who support gays adoptions. Ridiculous! For example: I am Catholic! The Moon is made of cheese! Therefore Catholics believe the moon is made of cheese. Ridiculous!

[Lenny]

Ridiculous! For example: I am Catholic! The Moon is made of cheese! Therefore Catholics believe the moon is made of cheese. Ridiculous!Therefore one Catholic believes the moon is made of cheese


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This is the same as saying "many Catholics support legal abortion", which is true. The Catholic Church though, is in favor of outlawing abortion. Are the Catholics who support legal abortion not "real Catholics"? If that's true, then more than 70% of Catholics in the US are not real Catholics! (Polls show that 71% of US Catholics support legal abortion)

[Dionysus]

Therefore one Catholic believes the moon is made of cheese


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This is the same as saying "many Catholics support legal abortion", which is true. The Catholic Church though, is in favor of outlawing abortion. Are the Catholics who support legal abortion not "real Catholics"? If that's true, then more than 70% of Catholics in the US are not real Catholics! (Polls show that 71% of US Catholics support legal abortion)I'm not a Catholic Leonard. I'm a lapsed, protestant, heretic.

[Lenny]

I'm not a Catholic Leonard. I'm a lapsed, protestant, heretic.No, I know you arent Catholic http://www.thephora.net/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

I was talking about the Catholic in the example