Denver voters OK marijuana possession

[Berianidze]

By JON SARCHE, Associated Press Writer
Wed Nov 2, 7:40 AM ET



DENVER - Residents of the Mile High City have voted to legalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana for adults. Authorities, though, said state possession laws will be applied instead.

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With 100 percent of precincts reporting early Wednesday, 54 percent, or 56,001 voters, cast ballots for the ordinance, while 46 percent, or 48,632 voters, voted against it.

Under the measure, residents over 21 years old could possess up to an ounce of marijuana.

"We educated voters about the facts that marijuana is less harmful to the user and society than alcohol," said Mason Tvert, campaign organizer for SAFER, or Safer Alternatives For Enjoyable Recreation. "To prohibit adults from making the rational, safer choice to use marijuana is bad public policy."

Bruce Mirken of the Washington, D.C.-based Marijuana Policy Project said he hoped the approval will launch a national trend toward legalizing a drug whose enforcement he said causes more problems than it cures.

Seattle, Oakland, Calif., and a few college towns already have laws making possession the lowest law enforcement priority.

The Denver proposal seemed to draw at least as much attention for supporters' campaign tactics as it did for the question of legalizing the drug.

Tvert argued that legalizing marijuana would reduce consumption of alcohol, which he said leads to higher rates of car accidents, domestic and street violence and crime.

The group criticized Mayor John Hickenlooper for opposing the proposal, noting his ownership of a popular brewpub. It also said recent violent crimes — including the shootings of four people last weekend — as a reason to legalize marijuana to steer people away from alcohol use.

Those tactics angered local officials and some voters. Opponents also said it made no sense to prevent prosecution by Denver authorities while marijuana charges are most often filed under state and federal law.

The measure would not affect the medical marijuana law voters approved in 2000. In June, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that medical marijuana laws in Colorado and nine other states would not protect licensed users from federal prosecution.

Also Tuesday, voters in the ski resort town of Telluride rejected a proposal to make possession of an ounce or less of marijuana by people 18 or older the town's lowest law enforcement priority. The measure was rejected on a vote of 308-332.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051102/ap_on_el_st_lo/denver_marijuana

[Jimbo Gomez]

I am aginst marijuana use, these people ought to be ashamed of themselves.

[Atlas]

I tolerate it in medicinal use.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Medicinal use is a fib the pinko hippie potheads made up to justify their abuse. Don't let those derelicts fool you Atlas.

[Martin Kuklinski]

VICTORY FOR DENVER !!!

I am aginst marijuana use, these people ought to be ashamed of themselves. I know you're against it, and i tolerate you for being against it. But Stan, it's just a product that will satisfy your need's. Just like today and any other day, i wanna feel relax after coming home from work. So im going to pleasure myself with Marijuana, just to unstress me.

But that's history... My last one was 2 weeks ago.

I tolerate it in medicinal use. In other words; ''you would execute every marijuana user who smokes it for pleasure.'' ???

[Jimbo Gomez]

Marijuana users shouldn't be actively hunted down, but use should be a crime. That way, you can get them easily if they act in an obnoxious manner and you're looking for a stick to hit the dog with... :D

[Atlas]

Martin, why are you always exeggerating everything ? I didn't say I would hang a pothead but I accept it's use as a " cure " against cancer, there have been serious survey proving that weed would help the people suffering of serious ill like that. As such, I don't see it as a bad drug like coke.

[Geist]

Its only a matter of time now before its legalized and the stupidity of it being illegal at all can end, roll on leglisation on this one.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Hahaha, somehow I knew you'd reply to this thread Paul. :D

[Martin Kuklinski]

Martin, why are you always exeggerating everything ? Eloberate yourself! WTF Nazi??? Im like the most down to earth person there is here.I didn't say I would hang a pothead but I accept it's use as a " cure " against cancerBut still you wouldn't tolerate it in you're perfect ''Ubermensch Nazi-French'' goverment? As such, I don't see it as a bad drug like coke.Me neither.

[Berianidze]

I don't approve of recreational drug use one bit, and that includes marijuana (granted it's not at the same level as coke) but if there are proven statistical information that supports it provides serious medicinal benefits than I wouldn't be so much against that, but it seems as if every pothead I've ever encountered (which being at a very liberal college is quite often) they seem to be excessively individualistic, unmotivated, and irresponsible. Priorities need to be addressed in a manner that benefits all, not one's own personal indulgences.

I would have to agree with D-Fens on this one.

[Felix the Cat]

http://www.cannabis.net/thc/marijuana.jpg

[Atlas]

But still you wouldn't tolerate it in you're perfect ''Ubermensch Nazi-French'' goverment?

What the fuck are you talking about ?

[Martin Kuklinski]

What the fuck are you talking about ?Nevermind... I was being sarcastic.

Buttahhhh, what did ya mean with this: Martin, why are you always exeggerating everything ? Name me one fucking thread, post or remarke i ever made that was by your standards exeggerating. Oh fuck it.....! Why am i debating with a do-nothing-internurd who has his online/offline option on the offline mode. Im way better then the most of the people here.

[Felix the Cat]

Dude, you need to chill out :D

[Martin Kuklinski]

Dude, you need to chill out :DI cant.:mad: Those fucking anti-pothead Nazi fuck(s) are always busting my ass! Even Hitler gave permission to the German soldiers in the eastern-front to smoke pot, just to feel better after a hard day fighting and killing Russians in Mother Russia.

[Atlas]

Why am i debating with a do-nothing-internurd who has his online/offline option on the offline mode.

You're still being sarcastic or you're serious there ?

Im way better then the most of the people here.

*yawn*

[Martin Kuklinski]

You're still being sarcastic or you're serious there ?Im am being serious for like 56%. Why? Are you going to provide me evidence that you're not a ''do-nothin-internurd'' ? But a member of a far-right party? Or do you demonstrate against mosque's, foreign-terror and immigration, like i did or still do occasionally.



*yawn* Double *yawn*

[Atlas]

Then I'd encourage you to destroy some mosque as you do " occasionaly " and spend less time on this forum. Oh and yes you should smoke more pot, perhaps it will make you a bit nicer to talk to. Jackass.

[Starr]

Dude, you need to chill out :D


No shit. LOL. Martin if you find something enjoyable about smoking pot and like it, smoke up. Why do you care so much if others do not approve? Marijuana legal or illegal is not going anywhere any time soon.:p

[Martin Kuklinski]

Then I'd encourage you to destroy some mosque as you do " occasionaly " I never said something about destroying BUT i did said something about DEMONSTRATING. and spend less time on this forum. Dude, i havent been online since friday, and when i do come online it'll be a day that i wanna relax in my room. Now im just sitting here because it's goddamn raining. Oh and yes you should smoke more pot, perhaps it will make you a bit nicer to talk toFuck you, cuntjack. Jackass.You really need a social-life. :o

[Atlas]

Fuck you, cuntjack. You really need a social-life. :o

Dude, you impress me so much with your insult.

[Martin Kuklinski]

Dude, you impress me so much with your insult.Why wont you flame me for fuck sake???

[Atlas]

What's the point to come here and insulting other people who disagree with you ? You're not better than an uncivilized nigger.

[Felix the Cat]

Fuck you, cuntjack. You really need a social-life. :o
Cool. It's not every day I learn a new insult. I'm gonna remember that and use it myself.

[Martin Kuklinski]

What's the point to come here and insulting other people who disagree with you ?I wanna debate and flame against you. And this is The Lounge.No limits requierd. We can flame ourself to death.You're not better than an uncivilized nigger.Maybe im not.

But im way better then you. I did more shit than you ever did in you're french cuisine country-side Francophile bullshitting life! Nazi? My ass. Im getting tired of so-called racial awakened people on the net. Start doing something for the cause instead of not working, putting you're existence on the net or being 24/7 a practical shithead.

[Atlas]

I wanna debate and flame against you. And this is The Lounge.No limits requierd.

Then go fuck yourself son of a bitch.

[Martin Kuklinski]

Then go fuck yourself son of a bitch.You're calling my mom a bitch??? A Frenchoid turd like you would be gunned in The Hague just for saying that. I am willingly to give my adress of my appartment to you. Just to settle it personal.

Man Versus Man. (Altough, im wondering about your manhood.)

[Felix the Cat]

Your sloganizer is currently saying "Martin keeps going, and going, and going...." :D

[Martin Kuklinski]

Your sloganizer is currently saying "Martin keeps going, and going, and going...." :DThe irony! Im so active today i could go outside and sing in the rain; 'VIVA LA FRANCE'

[Starr]

Wow. and to think this all started over marijuana:eek:

[Billy Score]

When i saw this article i really panicked, this country is really going down the tubes at an embarassing pace.

If it were up to me everyone who is caught with the drug would be immolated and the people who allowed this bill to pass would be put on the rack.

Its funny, i despise bush but support him over Kerry because i thought at least he'd do a few things i support (get an amendment barring gay marriage, tackling abortion etc) and he has done NONE of it. What a dissapointment, the west is doomed.

[Starr]

If it were up to me everyone who is caught with the drug would be immolated and the people who allowed this bill to pass would be put on the rack.

Marijuana use is just so important. One of the greatest "plagues" effecting our society today. Compared to everything else we face, arguing over if pot should be legalized is one step up from arguing about who the best football team is.

[Felix the Cat]

I am a shameless elitist on this subject: the feckless poor must be kept away from drugs, but if the wealthy choose to indulge, it's entirely their right

So I believe drugs should be available, but expensive

Prohibition is a great way of achieving this. Punitive indirect taxation is another

Both are fine with me

[Billy Score]

Marijuana use is just so important. One of the greatest "plagues" effecting our society today. Compared to everything else we face, arguing over if pot should be legalized is one step up from arguing about who the best football team is.
Comparing an issue of morality to football is rather pathetic and silly.

[Berianidze]

Mazdak was the first person who came to mind when posting this article, it's disastrous (not that I'm overly concerned with the well-being of the United States) but nonetheless this is a self-indulgent trend that is counter to not only productivity, but as Mazdak stated, morality and virtue. We should seek to create a state where people are either too busy and their minds much to consumed with education and such to have time or feel the necessity to toke up to "relieve stress."

[Starr]

Comparing an issue of morality to football is rather pathetic and silly.


Marijuana is hardly an "issue of morality."

[Vindex]

Well I guess we will now find out who rolled Mary Jane. If they ever make it legal around here Iam walking down the road with many lit joints hanging out my mouth. Just to piss off the prude police.

[Starr]

If they ever make it legal around here Iam walking down the road with many lit joints hanging out my mouth. Just to piss off the prude police

Since I have done similar shit with cigarettes, this gives me tons of bad ideas.

I would love to "toke up" right in front of you Mazdak and blow the smoke in your face. but I would be afraid you would like it, beat me up and steal my weed.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Since I have done similar shit with cigarettes, this gives me tons of bad ideas.

I would love to "toke up" right in front of you Mazdak and blow the smoke in your face. but I would be afraid you would like it, beat me up and steal my weed.


Yes, the swarthy people tend to do that. :D

my constructive post of the day: stop flaming martin and Atlas, I know you're not serious but we really can do without cuntjacks

[zenero]

Why am i debating with a do-nothing-internurd who has his online/offline option on the offline mode.Everyone can debate with nerds just for the benefit of the cause. Your just being flames. I know how you feel about people who act shit and talk shit behind a flat-screen. But it's important to hold a alliance together. Im way better then the most of the people here.We'll see about that, son. Name your succeses in the society.

[Martin Kuklinski]

We'll see about that son. Name your succeses in the society.Not nearly succeses, but i did shit. I did shit that pissed off politians and pig assholic Cops.

1. When Pim Fortuyn was murdered. People were rioting in downtown The Hague. Altough i didn't sympathize the death of the Sodomized bald faggot. But i had my share in the rioting.

2. Demonstration's against a new mosque in my previous neighborhood. That was a DAMN succes! They stopped renovating their old mosque, and they stopped planning for a new mosque in the 'Hood' !

3. This is something personal; I was attacking cops, at the Feyenoord riots in May. It was like a rush through my vain. And it one of the most fucked-up thing's i did. Cos i was arrested 4 hours. For being in public drunk together with 250 other Hooligan's. And they managed to get some camera-footage of me throwing beer against the Mobil Unit Pigs.

With this all i can say that i am a hardcore activist, not to mention sentence
#3. But atleast i did it out of love for my kin.;)


The one with the white circle.

[Anima Eternae]

Pot shouldn't be illegal. I'm never going to do it again, but it's far less harmful than cigs or alcohol.

[Excorcism]

Pot shouldn't be illegal. I'm never going to do it again, but it's far less harmful than cigs or alcohol.

government can't tax it, so it won't be legal.

[Niko Bellic]

Comparing an issue of morality to football is rather pathetic and silly.

Bush actually did one of the things you wanted him to do. He's stocked the second string bench with anti-abortion judges, and he's now appointed 2 anti Roe v. Wade judges to the Supreme court, one of them is the new quarterback. So you could say Bush has moved the ball down the field towards ending abortion.:D

[Niko Bellic]

"We educated voters about the facts that marijuana is less harmful to the user and society than alcohol," said Mason Tvert, campaign organizer for SAFER, or Safer Alternatives For Enjoyable Recreation. "To prohibit adults from making the rational, safer choice to use marijuana is bad public policy."


I love the way he spins this, though it is true to a point. If you drive stoned, you might get pulled over for going 30mph on the freeway.;)

[Billy Score]

Starr if you do that i am going to have to behead you.

It IS a moral issue, it is damaging yourself for a temporary good. It is once again prioritizing the individual over society as a whole. This infuriates me to the point where i wish real life were like cartoons where my head would turn into fire to show my anger or something because i can't think of getting angrier about anything in the real world than this. :mad: :mad:

[Starr]

Starr if you do that i am going to have to behead you.

Well, now that would be even worse than stealing my pot:(

It IS a moral issue, it is damaging yourself for a temporary good. It is once again prioritizing the individual over society as a whole.

We could get into a debate right now about just how damaging marijuana truly is, but I am not in the mood for that. So let's just assume you are correct, if I want to "damage" myself, why stop me? If someone makes a decison to do something to themselves that is not in their best interest and could be harmful, why not let them do it. If you have such a negative opinion about drugs and drug users, for instance wouldn't any harm that comes to them, whether they die,etc just be weeding out the trash so to speak? And how much harm does marijuana cause to society? A lot less than alcohol. How many times have you ever heard about someone who is stoned on pot robbing, raping, or killing someone?There are also plenty of things that people may indulge in that can lead to possibly negative results. If 10% can not control their own behaviors in relation to something like this, why ruin it for the 90% that can?

Yes, we all know when it comes to what you call "moral issues" you are more pure than the driven snow.:p

[albion]

http://www.drugs-plaza.com/movies/pictures/still_smokin_cheech_and_chong.jpg
Denver: the mile-high city :)

[8975293187]

Misinformation, cliche-tossing, lack of basic reasoning skills ... Typical Phora, and they pain my head worse than marijuana ever could. Question: Ignorance and its synonyms aside, would you say that "straight edge" is the only quality shared by all true phora people?

[Billy Score]

Misinformation, cliche-tossing, lack of basic reasoning skills ... Typical Phora, and they pain my head worse than marijuana ever could. Question: Ignorance and its synonyms aside, would you say that "straight edge" is the only quality shared by all true phora people?
Someone ban this turd please.

[jcs]

It IS a moral issue, it is damaging yourself for a temporary good.
'damaging oneself for a temporary good' has little to do with morality. Morality has more to do with the nature of the intent that motivates an action. If I smoke pot, am I behaving maliciously?--no, at least not regarding myself.

It is once again prioritizing the individual over society as a whole.
I agree with anti-individualism. "dude, I should be able to do whatever I want, so long as it doesn't harm others, and my pot-smoking doesn't harm you. It's not like I'm making you smoke, man."--well, there are people (such as myself) who would prefer to not live in a society full of dumbass stoners (or, worse, individualists).
But that's just my individual preference, and it's my perogotive to support my preference. All social concern ultimately amounts to misplaced compassion and some desire to play super-hero, or individual egoism projected upon one's surroundings. And this super-hero-desire is basically a sick form of egoism wrapped up in artificial morals.
Now, what the ego desires--that is where we find true morality. If I want to kill a small child, I'm an evil bastard. If I want to kill someone who killed, or tried to harm in any way, my small child, I am a defender of justice.
Now, what if I am not a wanna-be messiah, and just want to live in a weed-free environment? Does morality enter the equation at all? Methinks not.

Regarding legalization of pot: who fucking cares? What are you trying to defend? What are you arguing for?
I can understand the defense of what is right, but marijuana is neither right nor wrong. It's basically degenerate and I hold potheads in low esteem and don't want to be around them, but in opposing degeneracy, am I defending anything, really? Certainly not morals. Certainly not 'what is right.'

Solution: move the fuck out of the city and you'll never have to deal with the disease of modernity. Stay in the city and you'll be surrounded by potheads, whether it's legal or not, whether they're high or not, whether they've ever done the drug or not. The urban environment is in a constant haze, blown out of its mind on weed, LSD, and Modernity. And so long as you live in close proximity to all of this, you'll continue on your high, mind-affecting drugs telling you that this marijuana business is some great moral problem.
Move the fuck out of the city. Take a step back. This isn't an issue.

[8975293187]

Someone ban this turd please.
Your drug-free lifestyle couldn't equip you with the supreme mindpower to concoct a more crushing affront than......invoking the term turd? Typical Phora

[Vindex]

Why Iam not suprised that people who whorship the idea of a police state, would want to enforce harsh rules on people just for tokening weed.lol

[zenero]

The one with the white circle.I could see you having rocks in your hand.:p Good job! Cops are pigs, pigs are system-slaves. Did you do time?

[Martin Kuklinski]

I could see you having rocks in your hand.:pYes, that's correct. They had back-up guns, they had bats, they had protective shields, and they had ''Watercannon-Trucks''. We just had the luxary of having great numbers of Hooligans & Cops-haters.Good job!Thank you. Cops are pigs, pigs are system-slaves.I fully endorse this statement. I know the ''Mobile-Unit'' cuntjacks were only doing they're jobs. But i still hate them, i don't hate the Rural Cops, just the inner-city corrupt bastards. Fighting the System was my own personal victory. Did you do time?Yes. 2 days in a Police precint. And i had to do 18 hours punish duty's, cleaning up the streets where the riots occured.