238 racial attacks in N.I.

[Masty]

It makes me proud to be an Ulsterman. Over the past year there has been 746 incidents of a racial motive in Northern Ireland.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/story.jsp?story=708028


aaahahahaaaa..... "NIGGERS"!!!

:applause

[Geist]

Who moves to Ulster and expects NOT to find hate?

[cerberus]

MastyIt makes me proud to be an Ulsterman. Over the past year there has been 746 incidents of a racial motive in Northern Ireland.

Glad you think so Masty.
Quite a few people come here and do jobs which those who were born here, and are unemployed / unemployable - won't do.
" Not worth my getting out of bed for that sort of money".

Some folks who come over - yes they could be done without and some should be deported back if they are found to be engaged in any form of criminality.

Thing is Masty are you proud of attacks made on peoples homes , people who if you turn up at your local A&E deprtment having fallen and cut your chin as a result of having a skinfull have to fix you up.

Makes me sick if you must know.

[Masty]

Please don't lecture me about N.H.S staff, cerb - it cuts no ice with me. My better-half is studying to be a nurse, she has just started her 2nd year - with no pay I might add, yet foreign Nationals arrive here in droves to take-up positions that should be given to British citizens.

[Hachiko]

Masty, I'd say this is great and all, but, are all of these incidents against Blacks. There's nothing in the article to support that. They are putting a "Pity the Po' Black Folk" spin on it to be sure, but the casual reader in another country (like myself) can't take anything concrete away from this. If you live there, can you tell us for sure that this is the case?
-F.Arbuckle II

[Winston]

I don't want to see violence against people, but part of me is pleased when I see further evidence of what I already know to be true - that multicultural/racial societies are a bad idea.

[Mackie]

Masty, I'd say this is great and all, but, are all of these incidents against Blacks. There's nothing in the article to support that. They are putting a "Pity the Po' Black Folk" spin on it to be sure, but the casual reader in another country (like myself) can't take anything concrete away from this. If you live there, can you tell us for sure that this is the case?
-F.Arbuckle II
I know it will help the blacks as such but least the northern irish are acting :/

[Masty]

I'd say this is great and all, but, are all of these incidents against Blacks. There's nothing in the article to support that. They are putting a "Pity the Po' Black Folk" spin on it to be sure, but the casual reader in another country (like myself) can't take anything concrete away from this. If you live there, can you tell us for sure that this is the case?
An astute observation there Mr Arbuckle.

But no, yer right all the same big fella. The majority of the attacks are actually on Eastern Europeans, if ye compare Northern Ireland to say - England then it can be rightfully said that theres not many coons/jihadists/jews in my homeland, but that doesn't stop the few that are there from being attacked. I've known immigrants houses to be bombed, petrol bombed or ransacked in the recent past. One incident I seen with my own eyes, we were doing a pub-run when 2 cars full of young militants jumped-out and ran into a pub and almost kicked the life outta some Portuguese bloke who was in there, I believe he left N.I. shortly after that. Northern Ireland has seen an influx of mainland-Europeans into Ulster, if they don't look like us - then they're obviously a target. Swarthy coloured skin could lead to some cunt being hospitalised, and it often does..

Northern Ireland isn't known as the race-hate capital of Europe for nothing.


:bbbat:

[cerberus]

MastyPlease don't lecture me about N.H.S staff, cerb - it cuts no ice with me. My better-half is studying to be a nurse, she has just started her 2nd year - with no pay I might add, yet foreign Nationals arrive here in droves to take-up positions that should be given to British citizens.

Masty - I wish her all the best - I would remind you Masty that there is a shortage of nurses within areas on N.I. and in the Uk in general .

Your significant other should have no problem obtaining a job in 18 months time.
In the mean time don't be hard on people who have had to be recruited from overseas to look after the nations sick and disabled.
Often they do not do a bad job.

[Masty]

I wish her all the best - I would remind you Masty that there is a shortage of nurses within areas on N.I. and in the Uk in general .

Your significant other should have no problem obtaining a job in 18 months time.
In the mean time don't be hard on people who have had to be recruited from overseas to look after the nations sick and disabled.
Often they do not do a bad job.

'hanx, but a reminder of the N.H.S. staffing levels - I don't need. Yeah, we know theres almost a 100% guarantee that the Missus will walk straight into a job, but where - remains to be seen.

In the meantime I will put the interests of British citizens 1st above the supposed interests of foreigners, if thats al'right with you like.

[harjit]

I don't want to see violence against people, but part of me is pleased when I see further evidence of what I already know to be true - that multicultural/racial societies are a bad idea.
In spite of debating politely you so far, the truth is that I pegged you as a hater from the beginning.

I was not wrong.

You are the one with the problem and there is nothing more to discuss.

[Winston]

In spite of debating politely you so far, the truth is that I pegged you as a hater from the beginning.

I was not wrong.

You are the one with the problem and there is nothing more to discuss.

I'm afraid you pegged me wrong. I'm not a hater at all. What you just quoted was me being candid about thoughts which fluttered into my mind. I assure you that a person detached from personal involvement can think such things and not be a hater. Every human likes to see his worldview reinforced.

[Thomas777]

I don't condone the sort of incivility that is described in the article, but I must pose the question: What the hell is this woman thinking by adopting Black kids and then raising them in such a divided, parochial, society? Is this some sort of social experiment she is indulging herself in? What exactly did she think would happen?

[harjit]

I'm afraid you pegged me wrong. I'm not a hater at all. What you just quoted was me being candid about thoughts which fluttered into my mind. I assure you that a person detached from personal involvement can think such things and not be a hater. Every human likes to see his worldview reinforced.
You seem to have a certain intensity and seriousness that doesn't bode well... sorry that it is so abstract. But it is creepy.

As far as being candid about thoughts fluttering in your mind, OK, understood.

Part of it is that it is still difficult to conceptualize racialism without hate. I honestly don't know how to wish to have a certain group of people removed from my living space or neighborhood without hating them, or at least a significant degree of contempt or outrage (violent criminals or child molesters would be an example).

I have a lot of negative attitudes toward Muslims for example, but I can't bring myself to wish them begone, just for being Muslim. Maybe the ones who were terrorists or something.

I can better conceptualize being bigotted and racist for fun, more than your serious variety. (I'm not saying it is better, just easier to understand).

[Winston]

You seem to have a certain intensity and seriousness that doesn't bode well... sorry that it is so abstract. But it is creepy.

As far as being candid about thoughts fluttering in your mind, OK, understood.

Part of it is that it is still difficult to conceptualize racialism without hate. I honestly don't know how to wish to have a certain group of people removed from my living space or neighborhood without hating them, or at least a significant degree of contempt or outrage (violent criminals or child molesters would be an example).

I have a lot of negative attitudes toward Muslims for example, but I can't bring myself to wish them begone, just for being Muslim. Maybe the ones who were terrorists or something.

I can better conceptualize being bigotted and racist for fun, more than your serious variety. (I'm not saying it is better, just easier to understand).

I am trying to seriously discuss the problems I see facing the western world, and suggest, where I can, solutions. I don't claim to be suited to implementing those solutions and I'd very much like to be able to share your views, but I can't. I think that you are probably too soft to deal with these issues seriously. You ideally want the world to live in harmony, and so do I, but the fact is that the most harmonious situation would involve races living apart, and I believe that this can be achieved today with the anti-racist prepping that we have been given. There has been no better time for the western nations to be nationalistic without fighting one another, and we have never been in such an altruistic mood suitable for humanely dealing with other races.

[calvin]

"Over the past year there were 746 crimes with a racist motive reported to police in Northern Ireland. The majority of these crimes - 357 - were criminal damage and 238 were assaults"

Recommendation 12 of the Stephen Lawrence Inquiry Report states that the definition of a racist incident should be: "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or by any other person”

The Scottish executive published statistics on crime and ethnicity in 2000 which revealed that members of the ethnic minorities were not significantly more likely to suffer from criminal predation than members of the White indigenous population and were, in fact, less likely to be the victims of assault. The vast majority of the “crimes” recorded in Ulster will be Recommendation 12 crimes, crimes in which no criminal act has to take place and no evidence has to be supplied. The remainder of the 746 crimes will mainly be normal crime, as experienced by ethnic minorities. A small minority of these reported incidents will be genuinely racially motivated crimes. A large percentage of these genuinely racist crimes will have been committed by members of the ethnic minorities against either Whites or rival ethnic groups. The last Home Office statistics issued in the UK revealed that two thirds of racist crimes were committed by ethnic minorities. The HO no longer compiles statistics on the racial modalities of crime.

It’s nice that the Belfast Telegraph is reporting fictitious crimes against ethnics on the day that the remaining three suspects in the Kriss Donald racist murder trial were finally put in the dock. Fifteen-year-old Kriss Donald was fortunately spared from suffering racist taunts and was merely tortured with a screwdriver, a hammer and a knife for hours before being burned alive. The resumption of the Kriss Donald prosecution didn’t even make headline news thirty miles away from the location of the crime. When the murder of Kriss Donald gets the same saturation coverage that the murders of ST Steven and St Anthony got I’ll start to care about poor littler Black kids in Ulster.

“It’s hard being Black in Ulster”, I’m sure it is, but it’s probably a lot less hard than being the mother of a teenage girl in Keighley where Asian gangs commit statutory gang rape on girls as young as thirteen.

The crimes that the media aren't reporting will have far greater implications for the majority of the people of this country than the ones that are. Some people wont believe this until they are crying at the funeral of one of their brothers, sisters or children.

[Masty]

It looks like the Poles have exceeded their 'welcome', not that the people of Ulster were ever asked if it was o.k. by them to have thousands of foreign nationals to be economic migrants on their land.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6141892.stm

[Masty]

Why doesn't Harjshit visit Belfast?

:bbbat:

City 'a cold house for foreigners'

Belfast is a 'cold house' for foreigners
Living in Belfast is a tough lesson on what it's like to be an outcast, a young Asian woman has said.
In her three years living in the city she has been taunted, spat at and has even had a dog set upon her.

It is the price of not being white, she said, adding that it was even worse than her time as a child in a refugee camp in Thailand.

"I will leave this place with the unfortunate knowledge of what it is to be an outcast," she said.

Now she is looking forward to moving on to go and study medicine in Sheffield.


After 20 years living in different areas of the United Kingdom, she said Belfast came out as the "worst place".

"I have lived in refugee camps in Thailand as a child and have never felt as unsafe and verbally abused as living here," she said.

I'm what people called 'one of them lot' or 'those foreigners' - there are actually people here who think that 'outsiders are stealing our good jobs and big houses'

Read her full story here

"For a good two months, I was hounded and verbally abused every day as I walked to and from my workplace by children aged between six and 14 years old," she said.

They goaded their dog to run up and bite her. They followed her to her car, tried to steal from her bag and, when she took refuge inside the car, they kicked and punched the windows.


It was only when she threatened them with her metal car lock that they scattered.

Now, she watches her back as she walks to and from work, her sleep is affected and she never walks alone after dark.

Yet it was the love of a Belfast man that drew her to the city.

They married and moved back to Northern Ireland in 2003, looking forward to putting down roots.

But for this ethnic woman it was to be a bitter experience.

"I'm what people called 'one of them lot' or 'those foreigners'," she said.

"There are actually people here who think that the 'outsiders are stealing our good jobs and big houses'.


Racism is 'part of everyday life in Northern Ireland'

"Despite that, foreigners make up the biggest workforce in the jobs that no-one here really likes to do, such as in chicken factories.

"I think the bitterness has less to do with jobs and more to do with skin and eye colour.

"As an ethnic other, it is also a false hope to think that by marrying an Irish person, you get fast-tracked into being accepted by the community."

Just looking different means you suffer racial hardship, she said.

Her verdict is that Northern Ireland is "a cold house" for foreigners.

Whilst she has found love and friendship with her husband and his friends and family, she cannot subscribe to the adage that the Irish are "the friendliest people in the world".

"If I could leave tomorrow, I would," she said.

"I would not miss this nation as a whole and I'm sure there are people here that would love to see one less ethnic face."

[Hachiko]

^Bulls**t^
She's just tired of plucking feathers in a factory and is looking to score some $$$.
Let her return to Thailand to her old job "scraping her knees" for .50¢ a blow.

[harjit]

Why doesn't Harjshit visit Belfast?

I would rather go to go to Ulster and hang out with you, Masty. :yay:

[Masty]

I would rather go to go to Ulster and hang out with you, Masty. :yay:I suspect I may need a life-threatening amount of alcohol to decifer that tosh.

[Anarch]

Good to see Ireland's still packed full of tough bastards who don't bend over and take it, unlike other nations I can think of.

[Masty]

I admire yer sentiments there fella, but this thread is dedicated to racial patriots in NORTHERN IRELAND. 2 countries, 1 island - its very simple really.

Cool post all the same.

:bbbat:

[MrAngry]

It looks like the Poles have exceeded their 'welcome', not that the people of Ulster were ever asked if it was o.k. by them to have thousands of foreign nationals to be economic migrants on their land.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/6141892.stm


And its OK for the Irish to pile over here clogging up the council house waiting list selling lucky heather and clothes pegs.

Dont come to Masty's lovely Island, full of poverty and violence, hey, doesn't that sound like the black ghettos that are often touted on here? Masty.... are you black?

[cerberus]

MastyPlease don't lecture me about N.H.S staff, cerb - it cuts no ice with me. My better-half is studying to be a nurse, she has just started her 2nd year - with no pay I might add, yet foreign Nationals arrive here in droves to take-up positions that should be given to British citizens.


Masty - you should talk to your Missus a little more - she would no doubt explain to you that her course is not waged - it has been this way for a long time and the people you are rounding on are qualified nurses.

Now Masty , they are working here because there is a shortage of nurses, also note - no one walks into a job these days and quite a few people from overseas are doing jobs that layabouts walk away from.

In the meantime I will put the interests of British citizens 1st above the supposed interests of foreigners, if thats al'right with you like.

Masty - switch your brain on will you , it may have escaped your notice that someone like me has to lecture you about NHS staffing as you seem to know precious little about it.
In your ignorance you apply broad brush stroked ideology and imagine that it applies to all , wrong.

BTW Criminal activity - home right away - no issues there - criminal behaviour amongest the natives - seems to be "the norm" for some Masty , what would you have done with them ?
Lots of little "Brigadiers" and their underlings who are still making a good living out of crime and like wise I am sure PIRA have their own money making interests.
Perhaps these two groups don't count ?


Hate and Ulster - the home of ignorance , you are not a stupid man Masty but sometimes you do get mixed up.
BTW _ Did I encounter you once upon a time on that playground run by "Combat 18" ?

[Masty]

cerb, at least I have the dignity to bask in my own ideology, unlike yer-self, you give the false impression that immigrants are here for our benefit - heres a shock for ye, they're not. The way yer talking you'd think that every non-White is over here either doing mundane, manual jobs OR working for the N.H.S. and every other type of job that the indigenous people of the British Isles refuse to do. Thats simply not true, you don't work part-time for New labour as a press officer - do ye? Yes, I al'ready said the nurses course is unpaid, no need to repeat what I say - is there?

The second biggest White Racial Forum on the entire internet, combat18. Second only to Stormfront, yeah its possible we may have crossed keyboards before, what was yer 'nick'?


And its OK for the Irish to pile over here clogging up the council house waiting list selling lucky heather and clothes pegs.

Dont come to Masty's lovely Island, full of poverty and violence, hey, doesn't that sound like the black ghettos that are often touted on here? Masty.... are you black?No, I'm not a coon. Why, are you secretly 'racist'? Judging yer above quote places you firmly on the racist map, congratulations! And while yer at it, please explain where these imaginary waiting lists are that are being clogged-up by the oirish?

[cerberus]

Mastycerb, at least I have the dignity to bask in my own ideology, unlike yer-self, you give the false impression that immigrants are here for our benefit - heres a shock for ye, they're not
No Masty I do not give the impression that they are here for "our" benefit , they are here to earn money and as such they take jobs were they can get them - mostly the jobs that the DLA mob won't get out of bed to do.
No shock Masty , I hope I in turn did not shock you by saying that we have people who are unemployable and who don't want to work.

I don't see it as you basking in your own ideology - it is obvious that unless peole can earn they won't come here.
Do I welcome them , there are some that should be sent home and not all respect the country or the law - as I said before - home for them.
having said that there are decent folks who want to work , who make an effort to fit in and do contribute to society , broad brush strokes Masty - they tend to tar everyone with the same.

Our own people - let's be honest Masty - we have on all sides of the political divide people who just don't want to work , they never have and they have no intention of turning a hand as long as the tax payer puts coinage in their pockets.
Unfortunately we can't "send" these folks anywhere , we are stuck with them.
Employers - now who is good at shafting someone - underpaying , exploiting , heard it in the news ?
If some of the layabouts got off their collective fat arses employers would not have to look for people to come over to work.
The second biggest White Racial Forum on the entire internet, combat18. Second only to Stormfront, yeah its possible we may have crossed keyboards before, what was yer 'nick'?
Can't recall for the life of me, honestly. ( Its a few years ago ).

[MrAngry]

No, I'm not a coon. Why, are you secretly 'racist'? Judging yer above quote places you firmly on the racist map, congratulations! And while yer at it, please explain where these imaginary waiting lists are that are being clogged-up by the oirish?

No secret now, I'm Mastyist. You really are the most odious person I have ever encountered. The way you type colloquially is sad, the scary thing is you are serious, what you post it isnt tongue in cheek.

[calvin]

If these immigrants were the uberworkers and wunderkinder that we are constantly told that they are, how come they aren’t back home contributing to the biggest economic explosion in the history of Europe? These immigrants are here to subvert the economic and political power of the working and lower middle classes by creating an endless supply of cheap labour. The national minimum wage was raised by the politicians as an inducement to immigrants.

[Geist]

And its OK for the Irish to pile over here clogging up the council house waiting list selling lucky heather and clothes pegs.

Dont come to Masty's lovely Island, full of poverty and violence, hey, doesn't that sound like the black ghettos that are often touted on here? Masty.... are you black?

Thanks for the lovely description of Ireland there fella, but the Combat 18 lads that Masty is discussing are not the same people that you believe sell 'lucky heather and clothes pegs' i.e. my people. They consider themselves British, and not Irish. If Masty's community turns up at your door remember these lads consider themselves British just like you.

[shanemac]

Masty
No Masty I do not give the impression that they are here for "our" benefit , they are here to earn money and as such they take jobs were they can get them - mostly the jobs that the DLA mob won't get out of bed to do.
No shock Masty , I hope I in turn did not shock you by saying that we have people who are unemployable and who don't want to work.

I don't see it as you basking in your own ideology - it is obvious that unless peole can earn they won't come here.
Do I welcome them , there are some that should be sent home and not all respect the country or the law - as I said before - home for them.
having said that there are decent folks who want to work , who make an effort to fit in and do contribute to society , broad brush strokes Masty - they tend to tar everyone with the same.

Our own people - let's be honest Masty - we have on all sides of the political divide people who just don't want to work , they never have and they have no intention of turning a hand as long as the tax payer puts coinage in their pockets.
Unfortunately we can't "send" these folks anywhere , we are stuck with them.
Employers - now who is good at shafting someone - underpaying , exploiting , heard it in the news ?
If some of the layabouts got off their collective fat arses employers would not have to look for people to come over to work.

Can't recall for the life of me, honestly. ( Its a few years ago ).


That's crap... white people will do any job. The problem is that employers don't want to pay high wages.

Wages are the price of labour. If the supply of labour increases, wages will decrease, and vice versa. So big business aims to increase the supply of labour, to reduce wages.

White people would have no problem cleaning toilets or emptying bed-pans if the wages were high enough.

[cerberus]

Shane MacThat's crap... white people will do any job. The problem is that employers don't want to pay high wages.

Wages are the price of labour. If the supply of labour increases, wages will decrease, and vice versa. So big business aims to increase the supply of labour, to reduce wages.

White people would have no problem cleaning toilets or emptying bed-pans if the wages were high enough.

Shane - I think I might not ask you round to wire the plugs in my house.
last time I looked Shane , Czechs , Poles , Lativans - all white now feel free to correct me if I am wrong on this.
what this "white people" has to do with it I don't know.
As you wil have seen i have already given greed employers a touch , nice of you to echo my words.

[shanemac]

Shane Mac

Shane - I think I might not ask you round to wire the plugs in my house.
last time I looked Shane , Czechs , Poles , Lativans - all white now feel free to correct me if I am wrong on this.
what this "white people" has to do with it I don't know.
As you wil have seen i have already given greed employers a touch , nice of you to echo my words.

Yeah, well my sister-in-law's a Pole, and I attended their wedding in Poland. Great people and very nice country. I've got nothing against the Eastern Europeans at all.

[Janus]

Quite a few people come here and do jobs which those who were born here, and are unemployed / unemployable - won't do. How can you prove that an Irishman would not perform a job that he could not perform?

[Masty]

No secret now, I'm Mastyist. You really are the most odious person I have ever encountered. The way you type colloquially is sad, the scary thing is you are serious, what you post it isnt tongue in cheek.
Its dirty scum like you that has brought the British Isles to it's knee's, traitorous deeds like that can not be easily forgotten. You are a part of the problem, not a part of the solution - yer posts have confirmed that fact. Heres another fact for ye, theres thousands just like me in the U.K. and we will face you fuckin' traitor's head-on.

Mastyist are ya now, as in pro-Mastyist ie; racist = pro-racist, good for you ya fuckin' leech. Have you got a problem with my syntax? Good.

By-the-way, I'm much worse in real life than my 'internet - demeanour'.

:bbbat:

[MrAngry]

Thanks for the lovely description of Ireland there fella, but the Combat 18 lads that Masty is discussing are not the same people that you believe sell 'lucky heather and clothes pegs' i.e. my people. They consider themselves British, and not Irish. If Masty's community turns up at your door remember these lads consider themselves British just like you.


I didnt mean to be offensive to the Irish so I'll apolagie unreservedly, but, I do want to be offensive to Masty. He really grips my shit....

[MrAngry]

Its dirty scum like you that has brought the British Isles to it's knee's, traitorous deeds like that can not be easily forgotten. You are a part of the problem, not a part of the solution - yer posts have confirmed that fact. Heres another fact for ye, theres thousands just like me in the U.K. and we will face you fuckin' traitor's head-on.
Mastyist are ya now, as in pro-Mastyist ie; racist = pro-racist, good for you ya fuckin' leech. Have you got a problem with my syntax? Good.
By-the-way, I'm much worse in real life than my 'internet - demeanour'.
:bbbat:



Dirty scum like you probably keep the racists in the minority, no self respecting person would take you seriously. You and your ilk probably set your cause back.

I recognise the issues that face this country, Im pragmatic enough to realise that a solution has to be found.

I state again, I have done more than you for my country, unless you can demonstarte otherwise... tuff guy...

[Geist]

I didnt mean to be offensive to the Irish so I'll apolagie unreservedly, but, I do want to be offensive to Masty. He really grips my shit....

When you think of Masty think of Johnny 'Mad Dog' Adair or something along those lines. Chavs with British flags as they call them :rofl:

[cerberus]

JanusHow can you prove that an Irishman would not perform a job that he could not perform?
Only that I have seen it with my own eyes.
Guys who I have heard say they have no interest in getting a job , guys who have "worked to the max" when on the dole , paying no tax.
Guys who use their "dole money" as "stock buying money" to "do the markets".
Guys who having "been caught on" have to "take a job" for a year until they can get the benefit fraud people off their backs.
When they want "out of work again" , they do it via "the sick" so as to get as much out of the "system" as possible.
Guys who "get sick" when their "D.L.A." is due for review.
Over hearing guys talking about how to get what benefit , "what to say on your form " , all screwing the system.
A days work , not a mission - these guys have no intention of doing that - it would offend them utterly.

Having said that - my son who works in the building trade in Dubin can earn more than me ( I am degree qualified) but he works his butt off for it.
His brother in law - likewise , "only day off" is a Sunday - a different breed.

Every country has workers and layabouts - little new in this message.

Are all those who come from overseas spongers - no , are some , yes - those who are should be send home pronto.
Masty fails to see this in his ideology.

[MrAngry]

Janus
Only that I have seen it with my own eyes.
Guys who I have heard say they have no interst in getting a job , guys who have "worked to the max" when on the dole , paying no tax.
Guys who use their "dole money" as "stock buying money" to "do the markets".
Guys who having "been caught on" have to "take a job" for a year until they can get the benefit fraud people off their backs.
When they want "out of work again" , they do it via "the sick" so as to get as much out of the "system" as possible.
Guys who "get sick" when their "D.L.A." is due for review.
Over hearing guys talking about how to get what benefit , "what to say on your form " , all screwing the system.
A days work , not a mission - these guys have no intention of doing that - it would offend them utterly.

Having said that - my son who works in the building trade in Dubin can earn more than me ( I am degree qualified) but he works his butt off for it.
His brother in law - likewise , "only day off" is a Sunday - a different breed.

Every country has workers and layabouts - little new in this message.

Are all those who come from overseas spongers - no , are some , yes - those who are should be send home pronto.
Masty fails to see this in his ideology.


|My sentiments exactly, well said.

[shanemac]

Janus
Only that I have seen it with my own eyes.
Guys who I have heard say they have no interst in getting a job , guys who have "worked to the max" when on the dole , paying no tax.
Guys who use their "dole money" as "stock buying money" to "do the markets".
Guys who having "been caught on" have to "take a job" for a year until they can get the benefit fraud people off their backs.
When they want "out of work again" , they do it via "the sick" so as to get as much out of the "system" as possible.
Guys who "get sick" when their "D.L.A." is due for review.
Over hearing guys talking about how to get what benefit , "what to say on your form " , all screwing the system.
A days work , not a mission - these guys have no intention of doing that - it would offend them utterly.

Having said that - my son who works in the building trade in Dubin can earn more than me ( I am degree qualified) but he works his butt off for it.
His brother in law - likewise , "only day off" is a Sunday - a different breed.

Every country has workers and layabouts - little new in this message.

Are all those who come from overseas spongers - no , are some , yes - those who are should be send home pronto.
Masty fails to see this in his ideology.


I really don't think dole fraud is such a major problem. It's just people talking about it that makes it seem a lot worse than it really is. Although I don't live in Ireland anymore, so I can't comment too much on that.

The thing that seems to be at stake here is culture... not the amount of work that gets done. If we import hundreds of thousands of foreigners into any country, the culture will change, there is no question. People should be debating about whether they want irreversible cultural change or not. You'll get plenty of Irish people to do any kind of work providing the wage is good enough.

[cerberus]

I would agree with you - and some employers bring in workers from overseas with the express intention of underpaying them.
As far as people working if the wages are good - I see no problem in that , some people work not just for money but self respect and often the wage alone is not enough - people have to get more from a job than that - a sense of self worth, esteem , belonging , loyalty , respect - money helps but it is not the only thing.

Work is out there if people want to go for it - many do not.
The dole situation - it is not the majority of people on benefits but it does occur and they do take the system for a ride.
Cultural changes - does culture ever stay the same - what is culture ?
Throughout the ages change has occurred and it always will.
Culture - some say that "bonfires" in N.I. are a cultural thing and defend the right to "have them" on these grounds.
"Traditional routes" - cultural.
Irish dancing - cultural - even though it is now marked perhaps more on appearance than on dancing ability.
( Fake wigs , curls, make up dresses which cost a fortune etc - more like dressage or those awful pagent events which obessed parrent enlist their children into in the US ).
I can't see cultural changes being major - not in the short term at any rate.
Listen to Planxty - eastern European musical influences appearing in their music in 1980's ( "After the Break").

YE GOD's - Hold the Press - I have becme a "Phora Founder" , How !! ??"

[shanemac]

I would agree with you - and some employers bring in workers from overseas with the express intention of underpaying them.
As far as people working if the wages are good - I see no problem in that , some people work not just for money but self respect and often the wage alone is not enough - people have to get more from a job than that - a sense of self worth, esteem , belonging , loyalty , respect - money helps but it is not the only thing.

Work is out there if people want to go for it - many do not.
The dole situation - it is not the majority of people on benefits but it does occur and they do take the system for a ride.
Cultural changes - does culture ever stay the same - what is culture ?
Throughout the ages change has occurred and it always will.
Culture - some say that "bonfires" in N.I. are a cultural thing and defend the right to "have them" on these grounds.
"Traditional routes" - cultural.
Irish dancing - cultural - even though it is now marked perhaps more on appearance than on dancing ability.
( Fake wigs , curls, make up dresses which cost a fortune etc - more like dressage or those awful pagent events which obessed parrent enlist their children into in the US ).
I can't see cultural changes being major - not in the short term at any rate.
Listen to Planxty - eastern European musical influences appearing in their music in 1980's ( "After the Break").

YE GOD's - Hold the Press - I have becme a "Phora Founder" , How !! ??"


So what are the actual benefits of bringing foreigners into Ireland (or any country)?

[Hachiko]

So what are the actual benefits of bringing foreigners into Ireland (or any country)?
If addressed properly, free fertilizer. :D

[shanemac]

If addressed properly, free fertilizer. :D

Begone with thy inane nonsense. ;)

[Hachiko]

Begone with thy inane nonsense. ;)
I'm 1/4 Irish, I am entitled to add me 2 bits here. :D

[Masty]

Dirty scum like you probably keep the racists in the minority, no self respecting person would take you seriously. You and your ilk probably set your cause back.Yer having a fuckin' giraffe, ya eejit. At least comment on a subject you've got a bit of knowledge about, it's plainly obvious you've no idea about what motivates British racial patriots.

I recognise the issues that face this country, Im pragmatic enough to realise that a solution has to be found.Really, elaborate.

I state again, I have done more than you for my country, unless you can demonstarte otherwise...Is that a fact? You were doing a job, paid employment - contrast that to racial patriots who ask for nothing in return for their actions. And anyway, this sounds like a "my Da' is bigger than yer Da' type of quote. Yer a grown man, try to act it.


tuff guy...I never said i was a 'tough guy', did I? For all you know, I could be a puny - nerd, like Giest for example.....

[Geist]

I never said i was a 'tough guy', did I? For all you know, I could be a puny - nerd, like Giest for example.....

From what I hear about ya from people you actually ain't a big lad Masty. :rofl:

[Geist]

'johnny adair stole my dog'

[Masty]

From what I hear about ya from people Masty you ain't that big a lad yourself. :rofl:I find that hard to believe mate, after-all, we don't exactly travel in the same circles - do we?

[Geist]

I find that hard to believe mate, after-all, we don't exactly travel in the same circles - do we?

Not in real life. Someone told me via the net of a pic of yourself.

[Masty]

When you think of Masty think of Johnny 'Mad Dog' Adair or something along those lines. Chavs with British flags as they call them :rofl:Same hairstyle, similar background, but I've not got a contract-out on my life from fellow Loyalists.

I also avoid Burberry an' trackies like the plague. I do wear a cap now and again, but its got a deaths head on it.

[Masty]

Not in real life. Someone told me via the net of a pic of yourself.Post it-up, wee man.....

[Geist]

Post it-up, wee man.....

:rofl: I ain't got it. I was just told about it is all.

[Geist]

Same hairstyle, similar background, but I've not got a contract-out on my life from fellow Loyalists.

I also avoid Burberry an' trackies like the plague. I do wear a cap now and again, but its got a deaths head on it.

I thought they handed our death notices with the mail? One for everyone in the estate :rofl: Jesus the North sounds shit sometimes.

[Geist]

Anyway I haven't got the get-go for these things so I pass you back over to Mr. Angry.

[Masty]

I'm intrigued now, seeing as how theres only 1 image of my-self on the 'net. And even then I was sat-down. It was a picture of my elbow tattoo. Spit the bricks-out.

:)

[Masty]

Anyway I haven't got the get-go for these things so I pass you back over to Mr. Angry.

1 thing I didn't have ye down as, Geist - was a bottler.

[MrAngry]

Yer having a fuckin' giraffe, ya eejit. At least comment on a subject you've got a bit of knowledge about, it's plainly obvious you've no idea about what motivates British racial patriots.

What a load of bollocks, you're no patriot, in N Ireland there are no densely populated ethnic areas, so why are you racist? Coming to the resue of the English perhaps? You're a bully boy, nothing more nothing less. If you dont like the set up here, naff off back to your slums... Our slums are better off wothout you..

Really, elaborate.

Why would I waste my time, you're only intereted in threats not solutions. I'd have more success explaining to a monkey , instead of a baboon arsehole.

Is that a fact? You were doing a job, paid employment - contrast that to racial patriots who ask for nothing in return for their actions. And anyway, this sounds like a "my Da' is bigger than yer Da' type of quote. Yer a grown man, try to act it.

FACT mate, you couldnt front a movement of any kind, well perhaps a bowel movement. You havent served your country,I was in the military services, where were you? I have physically suported our fishing industry, where were you? I have physically supported out miners, where were you? I stood againt the muslim protests in both gulfs wars, where were you?

Probably wearing DM's and Ben Shermans skulking round housing estates waiting for weak victims to inflict your hate and bile. He who lives by violence will get a right good kicking. Theres always someone bigger and badder Masty.



I never said i was a 'tough guy', did I? For all you know, I could be a puny - nerd, like Giest for example.....

No matter what size you are masty, you're a coward and a bully, you have your mates round you dont you. Patriot my arse, your not fit to call yourself a patriot. Prove me wrong describe your patriotism, let others read what you do...

[Masty]

:rofl: I ain't got it. I was just told about it is all.I might post-it up my-self later. I posted the same photie on the Phora several months ago.

[MrAngry]

What a load of bollocks, you're no patriot, in N Ireland there are no densely populated ethnic areas, so why are you racist? Coming to the resue of the English perhaps? You're a bully boy, nothing more nothing less. If you dont like the set up here, naff off back to your slums... Our slums are better off wothout you..



Why would I waste my time, you're only intereted in threats not solutions. I'd have more success explaining to a monkey , instead of a baboon arsehole.



FACT mate, you couldnt front a movement of any kind, well perhaps a bowel movement. You havent served your country,I was in the military services, where were you? I have physically suported our fishing industry, where were you? I have physically supported out miners, where were you? I stood againt the muslim protests in both gulfs wars, where were you?

Probably wearing DM's and Ben Shermans skulking round housing estates waiting for weak victims to inflict your hate and bile. He who lives by violence will get a right good kicking. Theres always someone bigger and badder Masty.





No matter what size you are masty, you're a coward and a bully, you have your mates round you dont you. Patriot my arse, your not fit to call yourself a patriot. Prove me wrong describe your patriotism, let others read what you do...


bump
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[Masty]

What a load of bollocks, you're no patriot, in N Ireland there are no densely populated ethnic areasThe Northern Irish people can see what is happening to England - we've seen all the evidence we need form the last few decades now, its not pleasent viewing, the Ulster people will stand alongside our English brothers in their time of need, make no mistake about that.

Why would I waste my time, you're only intereted in threats not solutions. I'd have more success explaining to a monkey , instead of a baboon arsehole.Its time to wind yer neck-in, 'cause you sound like a nigger.....

FACT mate, you couldnt front a movement of any kind, well perhaps a bowel movement. You havent served your country,I was in the military services, where were you? I have physically suported our fishing industry, where were you? I have physically supported out miners, where were you? I stood againt the muslim protests in both gulfs wars, where were you?I don't front anything, when did I say that? Q1; incarcerated. Q2; buying a fish supper. Q3; school. Q4; trafalgar sq. london. protesting against an al-mudslime rally etc. etc.

]Probably wearing DM's and Ben Shermans skulking round housing estates waiting for weak victims to inflict your hate and bile. He who lives by violence will get a right good kicking. Theres always someone bigger and badder Masty.As if I give a fuck. Look at the crime stats - from then, to now. You'll find it was lower when Skinhead's were in their prime. Take from that what ye will.

No matter what size you are masty, you're a coward and a bully, you have your mates round you dont you. Patriot my arse, your not fit to call yourself a patriot. Prove me wrong describe your patriotism, let others read what you do...Aye al'right:) .....

Thats a lot of information yer asking for there.

:bbbat:

[Janus]

Every country has workers and layabouts... Is a country obligated to it's own citizens' best interest?

Why should a country create new citizens to fill employment positions when some of it's existing citizens are unemployed?

[Janus]

I'm 1/4 Irish... Few people are perfect. ;)

[shanemac]

Few people are perfect. ;)

That could be taken 2 ways.

[Janus]

That could be taken 2 ways. It was my intent.

[Jonathan]

Arguing is one thing, but I'll have to ask everyone to leave out the threats and insults.:)

[Masty]

Fuckin' hell, now yer askin' too much there.....

[MrAngry]

The Northern Irish people can see what is happening to England - we've seen all the evidence we need form the last few decades now, its not pleasent viewing, the Ulster people will stand alongside our English brothers in their time of need, make no mistake about that.

So you've seen it? You should try living it, no one would want to be associated with you mate <edited by Jonathan>

Its time to wind yer neck-in, 'cause you sound like a nigger.....

From you I'll take that as a compliment<edited by Jonathan>



I don't front anything, when did I say that? Q1; incarcerated. Q2; buying a fish supper. Q3; school. Q4; trafalgar sq. london. protesting against an al-mudslime rally etc. etc.

You couldnt front anything, you have no credibility....

As if I give a fuck. Look at the crime stats - from then, to now. You'll find it was lower when Skinhead's were in their prime. Take from that what ye will.

Skin heads were made up of young, poorly educated unemployed thugs, who added to the crime rate. To try and imply they were vigilantes looking after ther neighbour hoods is delusional at best.


Finally, I think this dialogue between us isnt healthy, I believe that you are wrong and you I. You havent used one decent argument in any post you have made either with me or with any other person on here. But you are big on rhetoric so you carry on, I've lost interest in you now. You are excused, now begone you feeble minded thug.

[Masty]

Thus speakth the keyboard warrior. Theres more to life than the internet<edited by Jonathan>
.

You haven't explained how YOU would deal with the mass influx of immigrants into the British Isles.

Are you done? <edited by Jonathan>

[Hachiko]

@Masty & Mr.Angry

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m224/hachiko323/1778.jpg

:D"Can't we all just get along???":D

[Masty]

@Masty & Mr.Angry

no..... <edited by Jonathan>

[MrAngry]

@Masty & Mr.Angry

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m224/hachiko323/1778.jpg

:D"Can't we all just get along???":D


Yeah why cant we, Hachiko, you get the fried chicken and red cool aid, masty you get the balck eyed peas n rice......

[Hachiko]

Yeah why cant we, Hachiko, you get the fried chicken and red cool aid, masty you get the balck eyed peas n rice......
And you bring da watermelon an' reebs! :negro:

[MrAngry]

And you bring da watermelon an' reebs! :negro:


Lordy lardy bahs, I caint git no reebs, wid dem ribs bein from dat pig ting an all, I is moooslim now bahs.

[Hachiko]

Lordy lardy bahs, I caint git no reebs, wid dem ribs bein from dat pig ting an all, I is moooslim now bahs.
Liddle reebs frum da hawgs, beeg reebs frum da cow.
Jes' bringus sum chrimps.

[Geist]

Liddle reebs frum da hawgs, beeg reebs frum da cow.
Jes' bringus sum chrimps.

Raskit dont have a bar. Dont have it from him, her or dem. I'll make a rudeboy say rarr, wif or wifout the use of a skeng

[Hachiko]

Well, bugger that fer a bloody lark I can't make heads or tails of it.

[Geist]

Well, bugger that fer a bloody lark I can't make heads or tails of it.

That slang n thing.

[MrAngry]

no..... <edited by Jonathan>
Have you ever known or talked to (reasonably) with a non white? This isnt to draw you into another keyboard fight, just so I can understand where you are coming from. You just seem so extreme....

[stannis]

It makes me proud to be an Ulsterman. Over the past year there has been 746 incidents of a racial motive in Northern Ireland.

Why does it make you proud?