Islamic gang-rapes come to Canada [Archive]

Ahknaton

10-01-2006, 07:00 AM

tricknologist

10-01-2006, 07:58 AM

Typical sand-nigger behavior.

Can anyone find out the race of the victim, and if it was raially motivated like similar crimes in Australia and Scandinavia ?

tempus fugit

10-01-2006, 09:35 AM

Here's all I could dig up:

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A pregnant teenager was brutally raped last week after she and her boyfriend unknowingly befriended gang affiliates, detectives say.

"It's pretty disturbing," Sgt. John Medeiros said yesterday as he detailed one of the first major investigations by the newly formed Ottawa police guns and gangs unit.

The 19-year-old woman was five months pregnant and living with her 27-year-old boyfriend in an apartment in the area between downtown Ottawa and Gloucester. After the couple moved to the city a few months ago, they met and befriended those who would become their attackers -- four men who are known to police to varying degrees.

Medeiros said the men started staying with the couple in the apartment, but the friendship turned sour.

The men refused to leave the apartment and started making threats towards the couple.

BOYFRIEND ON ERRAND
On Sept. 22, two of the men intimidated the woman by suggesting they were members of an Ottawa-based gang. They raped her while her boyfriend was on an errand.

"They told her if she told her boyfriend or the police, he would be seriously hurt," Medeiros said.

As it was, the boyfriend was beaten and forced to run errands for the men who occupied the apartment. Police said the boyfriend on one occasion saw one of the men carrying a black handgun.

According to police, the woman's rape was followed by another sexual assault, this time in Gatineau. Three men took her to the Quebec side without her boyfriend, police said. When she was returned to Ottawa, she contacted police.

Gatineau police are investigating the alleged incidents that happened on their side of the border.

Medeiros said police haven't confirmed the gang membership status of the accused men.

Police plan to research backgrounds to get a better idea of possible gang affiliations.

It's believed one of the affiliations police are reviewing is the so-called Ledbury-Banff Crips.

PHYSICALLY FINE

The victims aren't associated with any gangs, police said.

The sexual assault unit also assisting on the case.

Medeiros said the woman was treated at hospital. He said the woman and her baby are physically fine.

Mohamed Dib, 19, of Ottawa is charged with sexual assault, party to sexual assault, forcible confinement, intimidation and uttering threats. Dib was denied bail yesterday.

Chireh Youssouf, 20, of Gatineau is charged with sexual assault, party to sexual assault, forcible confinement, intimidation, uttering threats, assault and breach of undertaking.

Police yesterday were trying to arrest two other Ottawa men connected to the incidents.

The recently combined guns and gangs unit officially hit the streets this week after spending last week in training.
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raven

10-01-2006, 05:21 PM

What did I freakin tell you "anti-racists". You said that it wouldn't happen up in the "Great White North" but NOOOOOOOOOOO, It did! I was right. And I'm right because I'm pragmatic and not an idealist. I believe in what works and what works is heavily screened immigration and not this multikult crap. All of those egalitarian fools can go back on their moral high horse and shove it. I feel sorry for this teenage mother. It should be those same fucking modern liberals that told me that this shit wasn't gonna happen that should have been victims of this pack-rape.

Sandee

10-01-2006, 05:56 PM

Police said Mohamed Dib, 19, of Ottawa is charged with sexual assault, forcible confinement, intimidation and threatening.

Chireh Youssouf, 20, is charged with charged with sexual assault, party to a sexual assault, forcible confinement, intimidation, threats, assault and breach of undertaking, police said.

Police said two other males have also been identified and will be charged.

Muslim names.

tempus fugit

10-01-2006, 06:07 PM

Muslim names.

LOL....cute. I think that was the whole point of the thread, sunshine.

What is the Indian equivalent of a blonde?

:)

Sandee

10-01-2006, 06:24 PM

LOL....cute. I think that was the whole point of the thread, sunshine.

What is the Indian equivalent of a blonde?

:)

Okay, maybe I should have elaborated. Those are muslim names and though I do not like Islam myself, how can one say "Islamic gangrape" when it seems to suggest that the religion (Islam) advocates that?

I know "muslims'' who drink, smoke and sleep around, etc and that would hardly make Islam accountable for their behavior. It's different for Jihads though because it is mentioned in their holy Qu'ran.

Hakluyt

10-01-2006, 06:33 PM

I haven't seen any evidence that Muslims are involved in crime or rape at a greater proportion than the general population, and it strikes me as counterintuitive. To start with they have almost twice the rate of higher education than do native born Canadians. I don't like to see individual cases trotted out like this, and they really shouldn't be in the news at all (crime in general, any ethnicity), unless it's to call attention to someone who is missing or a criminal who is at large and dangerous etc.

WAM

10-01-2006, 10:16 PM

For every White victim of the subhuman scum our treasonous leaders have brought into our midst there should be one politician KILLED in return.

Better yet,the family members of politicians should be targeted. If these vermin start suffering some consequences for their treason then maybe things will turn around for us.

Ahknaton

10-02-2006, 01:34 AM

Okay, maybe I should have elaborated. Those are muslim names and though I do not like Islam myself, how can one say "Islamic gangrape" when it seems to suggest that the religion (Islam) advocates that?

I know "muslims'' who drink, smoke and sleep around, etc and that would hardly make Islam accountable for their behavior. It's different for Jihads though because it is mentioned in their holy Qu'ran.
Though not endorsed by Islam itself, this phenomena seems to be a recurring patterns amongst first or second generation Muslim male immigrants who have trouble adapting to the culture of their host nation after moving from a sexually repressed conservative society to a more liberated one. It's happened in Australia, France and Scandanavia as well, and even if Islam doesn't endorse it, Muslim clerics often make excused for it by blaming the victims for being provocatively dressed etc.

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

Sandee

10-02-2006, 01:51 AM

Though not endorsed by Islam itself, this phenomena seems to be a recurring patterns amongst first or second generation Muslim male immigrants who have trouble adapting to the culture of their host nation after moving from a sexually repressed conservative society to a more liberated one. It's happened in Australia, France and Scandanavia as well, and even if Islam doesn't endorse it, Muslim clerics often make excused for it by blaming the victims for being provocatively dressed etc.

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html

Yes, those muslim clerics really make me cringe when they blame it on women for the way they dress and what not. Even though the religion doesn't condone it, the pattern indeed is worrisome. :( There is a definite problem (internal) with Islam. 'Moderate' muslims are considered sell-outs and their voices never get heard and it seems like the extreme ones are more vocal and demonstrative.

Sometimes I wonder if moderate and muslim are oxymorons. You don't see them protest much when such events occur - well not as much as over those stupid cartoons about Prophet Muhamed.

Starr

10-02-2006, 03:08 AM

The thing that is bizarre to me is that by blaming rape on the way a woman is dressed they are saying something very negative about men. Do these nutters believe that men are beasts who cannot control themselves, and that when they see a woman in a skirt, for instance, they just loose all control over their hormones? Women do dress a tad inappropriate these days,(I, myself, do dress a little "sexier" in the summer, but still somewhat tasteful compared to some stuff I have seen.),but who the hell are these Muslims to come into someone else's country and try to enforce their backwards, caveman mentalities on people? How come you never hear much from what could be called the Muslims apologists on this, of which I am talking about the people who talk about the west attempting to force their ways on these people in their lands(which I myself have a problem with). I know it is very different, but there are some similarities, also.

If they only approve of women covered head to toe, they need to go back to where they came from, where that type of thing is acceptable.

tricknologist

10-02-2006, 04:49 AM

Björn

10-02-2006, 05:09 AM

Does this mean they're not the "aryan" race's best friends anymore in the war against the zionists? :( :(

Starr

10-02-2006, 05:13 AM

Does this mean they're not the "aryan" race's best friends anymore in the war against the zionists? :( :(

Absolutely not, you kike-a-like. We just need to overlook all of these things and focus on that small percent of them that is fighting ZOG!:viking: :p

Commander

10-02-2006, 05:54 AM

Medeiros said police haven't confirmed the gang membership status of the accused men.

Police plan to research backgrounds to get a better idea of possible gang affiliations.

It's believed one of the affiliations police are reviewing is the so-called Ledbury-Banff Crips.

My guess is these "Muslims" are some of those Somali's, & this is more of a case of TNB than anything.

Jake Featherston

10-02-2006, 06:44 AM

Absolutely not, you kike-a-like. We just need to overlook all of these things and focus on that small percent of them that is fighting ZOG!:viking: :p

We wouldn't have to be concerned with their behavioral patterns if they were't here. Its not that complicated; Muslims in the West are our enemies, while Muslims abroad make for potential allies. If they believe their religion entitles them to act like a pack of loathsome degenerates within the confines of their part of the planet, who cares?

harjit

10-02-2006, 07:12 AM

Ahknaton

10-02-2006, 07:20 AM

Hak, you don't like it and I don't like it, but this is all that racists are good for.
Read my links in #10, this is not a one-off incident, but part of a disturbing statistical trend that is well-documented (but underreported) in Europe, and has also happened in Australia... and now Canada. Do you think that the fact that they are Muslim had absolutely nothing to do with this?

Kriger

10-02-2006, 07:27 AM

Mohamed Dib's father is from Lebanon. Moved to Canada some 15 years ago.
From the sounds of this article, the investigation has only just begun.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=345a0b7e-4d8a-4c52-b946-f6c761406b60&k=92345

Ahknaton

10-02-2006, 07:32 AM

Mohamed Dib's father is from Lebanon. Moved to Canada some 15 years ago.
The perpetrators of the gang-rapes in Sydney were Lebanese also.

Felix the Cat

10-02-2006, 07:34 AM

Mohamed Dib's father is from Lebanon. Moved to Canada some 15 years ago.
From the sounds of this article, the investigation has only just begun.
That would be amusing, given all the effort Canadians have recently put into protecting their "fellow citizens" in that country

Kriger

10-02-2006, 07:37 AM

The perpetrators of the gang-rapes in Sydney were Lebanese also.

Well, now, this gets even more interesting.
I wonder if we will be told of the nature of the "gang" involved, such as what are the common beliefs that unite them.

Jimbo Gomez

10-02-2006, 08:27 AM

Stuff like this has happened in Brussels too (gangrapes that is).

Hakluyt

10-02-2006, 05:57 PM

It remains that this is the first such case I've heard of in Canada, and that apart from the Somali community, Muslims are not a socio-economic underclass the way they are in most European countries (and Australia by the sounds of it). We know for certain what the statistics are like in Sweden, but without light of some statistics here I'm not prepared to accept it as a universal trend.

Geist

10-02-2006, 06:50 PM

Its obviously a complicated issue, but as I always say: it is an unneccessary problem among the problems we already have with underclasses. Underclasses are capable of much anti-social behaviour, underclasses with no ethnic affialation to their host country are capable of it too, and should be turfed out plain and simple.

calvin

10-04-2006, 08:33 AM

“I haven't seen any evidence that Muslims are involved in crime or rape at a greater proportion than the general population”

That’s because the government and media do not give an ethnic breakdown of crimes. This being the case we must make conclusions based on the evidence we have. Muslim gangs have been involved in gang rapes in Australia, Paris, Scandinavia and England and now in Canada. I haven’t heard of a single case of gang rape by a Chinese immigrant gang. Islam’s also has a unique perspective on women’s rights. I think that this may constitute a convergence of evidence.

“To start with they (Muslims) have almost twice the rate of higher education than do native born Canadians”

One of the people involved in the recent “honour” attack in which a six-year-old girl was burnt to death was a dentist. Most of the youths involved in the Sydney rapes were doing well at school and came from a stable home environment. Education just makes these people more dangerous.

Hakluyt

10-04-2006, 06:54 PM

That’s because the government and media do not give an ethnic breakdown of crimes.
Check the Toronto Sun, they printed an ethnic breakdown of gun crime in Toronto by ethnicity vis-a-vis Jamaicans. To be honest I don't know the current government's position on statistics, but I've seen broad figures in textbooks at least for incarceration. I'm also interested in more anecdotal evidence, but as I say, I can't call any other cases like this to memory.

This being the case we must make conclusions based on the evidence we have. Muslim gangs have been involved in gang rapes in Australia, Paris, Scandinavia and England and now in Canada. I haven’t heard of a single case of gang rape by a Chinese immigrant gang. Islam’s also has a unique perspective on women’s rights. I think that this may constitute a convergence of evidence.
I disagree, all European cases bear similarities in their socio-economic conditions, and Australia has always been particularly tense if not an underclass situation. Perhaps you could account for the lack of such crime in Canada until "now" when Toronto has had the largest Muslim population in the western hemisphere for the past decade.

One of the people involved in the recent “honour” attack in which a six-year-old girl was burnt to death was a dentist. Most of the youths involved in the Sydney rapes were doing well at school and came from a stable home environment. Education just makes these people more dangerous.
Spurious and doesn't speak to the relationship between higher education, general intelligence, and criminality.

Hakluyt

10-04-2006, 06:59 PM

Some incarceration statistics from a federal government page, took me seconds to find, and I'll search for more later. The 'other' basically represents Arabs and subcontinentals.

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/rsrch/reports/r144/images/r144_e_img_2.jpg

cryptoracist

10-04-2006, 07:24 PM

Four men face charges after pregnant woman held, sexually assaulted

The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Friday, September 29, 2006

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=fa1c2a3c-8b04-4a36-8d38-beb5767a023f&k=97548

Four men, who police say are affiliated with a gang, face criminal charges after a pregnant woman was held in Gatineau and repeatedly sexually assaulted over a two-day period.

Police said the woman as sexually assaulted by two men in Ottawa on Sept. 22 after being told they were gang members. The woman was then taken against her will to Gatineau and assaulted again, police said.

She was later brought back to Ottawa and the attacks reported to police.

Police said that in the days leading up to the sexual assaults, the woman's boyfriend was beaten and forced to run errands for the men, who were occupying the couple's home. One of the gang members was seen with a handgun, police said.

Police said Mohamed Dib, 19, of Ottawa is charged with sexual assault, forcible confinement, intimidation and threatening.

Chireh Youssouf, 20, is charged with charged with sexual assault, party to a sexual assault, forcible confinement, intimidation, threats, assault and breach of undertaking, police said.

Police said two other males have also been identified and will be charged.
Something is especially fishy about this part here...

If you were beaten and forced to run even a single errand afterwards... and you were leaving your pregnant womann behind with your assailants...

Shouldn't that be your last errand as soon as you see daylight?

I meean really, if you assault me and let me out there's no way in hell I"ll be coming back for more errands to run.

Why not run right to the police while out on the 1st "errand" and report it if not only for yourself, for your woman and unborn baby left back there with those nutjobs... all alone.

This part is awful fishy to me...

tempus fugit

10-04-2006, 07:26 PM

According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Canada

2.2% of Canadians are black and 86.4% of Canadians are white.

B-Pep

10-04-2006, 07:36 PM

Some Muslim's rape some whore dressed in a skimpy outfit probably pregnant with her black boyfriends negro child, are we supposed to feel bad about this?

Sandee

10-04-2006, 07:55 PM

Something is especially fishy about this part here...

If you were beaten and forced to run even a single errand afterwards... and you were leaving your pregnant womann behind with your assailants...

Shouldn't that be your last errand as soon as you see daylight?

I meean really, if you assault me and let me out there's no way in hell I"ll be coming back for more errands to run.

Why not run right to the police while out on the 1st "errand" and report it if not only for yourself, for your woman and unborn baby left back there with those nutjobs... all alone.

This part is awful fishy to me...

That's the most logical thing to do but maybe they threathened to kill her and so he went along with it? :confused: Merely speculating here...

cryptoracist

10-04-2006, 09:26 PM

Some Muslim's rape some whore dressed in a skimpy outfit probably pregnant with her black boyfriends negro child, are we supposed to feel bad about this?
How do you know what she wore?

Is this some kind of confession? :confused:

:rofl:

calvin

10-05-2006, 12:43 AM

“Check the Toronto Sun, they printed an ethnic breakdown of gun crime in Toronto by ethnicity vis-a-vis Jamaicans. To be honest I don't know the current government's position on statistics, but I've seen broad figures in textbooks at least for incarceration. I'm also interested in more anecdotal evidence, but as I say, I can't call any other cases like this to memory” HK

We are not talking about gun crime we are talking about gang rape. Allegations of and convictions for gang rape follow Muslims wherever their peregrinations take them.

Australia
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/13/1026185124700.html

England
http://www.racismeantiblanc.bizland.com/005/01-01.htm

France
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/13/60minutes/main617270.shtml

Sweden and Germany with a nice photo of the White “whore” victimised.
http://www.iris.org.il/blog/archives/757-Pan-European-Arab-Muslim-Gang-Rape-Epidemic.html

Norway
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0802/steyn1.asp

“Perhaps you could account for the lack of such crime in Canada until "now" when Toronto has had the largest Muslim population in the western hemisphere for the past decade.” HK

The rise in Muslim gang rape has been coterminous with the growing confidence of Islam spurred on by cowardly Western appeasers. The Muslim community in the UK was looked upon as a model minority for decades, now they are baying in outrage at the slightest provocation and bombing busses. Confucius said that “the wise man learn s from the experience of others”, some people wont learn until the bomb blasts are ringing in their ears.

“Spurious and doesn't speak to the relationship between higher education, general intelligence, and criminality”HK

What the fuck are you talking about? We are talking about a link between an aggressive belief system that is contemptuous of women and gang rape. Goering had an IQ of 140, I suppose that makes him incapable of any wrong doing and he should be given a posthumous pardon?

Hakluyt

10-05-2006, 03:29 AM

We are not talking about gun crime we are talking about gang rape.
That was a reply to your comment (which I specifically quoted) about the government not keeping ethnic crime statistics.

What the fuck are you talking about? We are talking about a link between an aggressive belief system that is contemptuous of women and gang rape.
You mentioned some silly anecdotes and didn't try to substantiate any of your claims-- spurious.

To clarify, I think Islam is an enormous factor in the criminal trends we have seen in places like Sweden and Australia. But in this case I don't see that we actually have a trend to begin with, or reasonable grounds to anticipate one. I consider demonstrating that a precondition to have this discussion at all in the context of Canada.

Goering had an IQ of 140, I suppose that makes him incapable of any wrong doing and he should be given a posthumous pardon?
Take a statistics class please and come back to this thread.

The rest of your post was repitition without new content.

Niko Bellic

10-05-2006, 03:36 AM

Some Muslim's rape some whore dressed in a skimpy outfit probably pregnant with her black boyfriends negro child, are we supposed to feel bad about this?

Rape is wrong, mmmkay. It doesn't matter what she was wearing.

Anarch

10-05-2006, 03:38 AM

I know "muslims'' who drink, smoke and sleep around, etc and that would hardly make Islam accountable for their behavior. It's different for Jihads though because it is mentioned in their holy Qu'ran.

The Qu'ran prohibits alcohol and mind altering substances. Your 'Muslims' aren't Muslims.

And yes, moderate Muslim is an oxymoron.

Starr

10-05-2006, 03:48 AM

Why not run right to the police while out on the 1st "errand" and report it if not only for yourself, for your woman and unborn baby left back there with those nutjobs... all alone.

If they sent him out alone, they definitely would have threatened to kill her and also therefore the unborn child. And even though the article said he was sent out, that doesn't neccessarily mean he was sent out alone. If I was a man and I was sent out alone even with her life threatened what I would probably do is get a few of my friends together and come back heavily armed. Of course with some kind of a plan, not just going in there blasting or anything like that.

cryptoracist

10-05-2006, 04:27 AM

YEah, I agree ^ And I retract my statement about calling the cops... can't trust them with something this important... yes, he's better off getting a couple friends with a plan.

Since he didn't do that though, nowI've been wondering if perhaps he was in on it somehow... maybe involved in the gang somehow and fooling the woman?

SlagMaster

10-05-2006, 07:44 AM

Possibly the Islamic gangrapers opted out of a suicide bombing to
gain access to virgins in Heaven.
Oups;;; wait a minute she is pregnant, there goes that theory.

calvin

10-05-2006, 10:48 AM

"[QUOTE=Hakluyt]That was a reply to your comment (which I specifically quoted) about the government not keeping ethnic crime statistics"

Okay. let me pedant proof that statement; the government and the media do not publicise the link between crime and ethnicity.

"You mentioned some silly anecdotes and didn't try to substantiate any of your claims-- spurious"

Anecdotal evidence is the least convincing category of evidence but it is not a completely invalid source of evidence. Statistical evidence would substantiate these anecdotes but the people best placed to make a statistical analysis of the correlation between Muslim immigration and rape are not interested in providing this information.

"To clarify, I think Islam is an enormous factor in the criminal trends we have seen in places like Sweden and Australia. But in this case I don't see that we actually have a trend to begin with, or reasonable grounds to anticipate one. I consider demonstrating that a precondition to have this discussion at all in the context of Canada"

The belief that your country is so different, so accepting and so fair and decent that grateful Muslim immigrants will never behave in Canada in the way they do in every other country, is the most wimplike variant of patriotic vanity I have ever come accross. They used to come out with the same crap in Scotland until Kriss Donald got burned alive by Muslim racists.

"Take a statistics class please and come back to this thread"

Go to your medicine cupboard and take a couple of pills from the bottle marked "Wake the fuck up" before you make any more pointless pedagogic recommendations.

harjit

10-05-2006, 11:16 AM

Okay. let me pedant proof that statement; the government and the media do not publicise the link between crime and ethnicity.
Hak pointed out that he did see such a report about Jamaicans, and another one giving the ethnic breakdown of incarcerated persons.

Anecdotal evidence is the least convincing category of evidence but it is not a completely invalid source of evidence. Statistical evidence would substantiate these anecdotes but the people best placed to make a statistical analysis of the correlation between Muslim immigration and rape are not interested in providing this information.
We still haven't seen much anecdotal evidence either, in the Canadian context. Just this article IIRC.

The belief that your country is so different, so accepting and so fair and decent that grateful Muslim immigrants will never behave in Canada in the way they do in every other country, is the most wimplike variant of patriotic vanity I have ever come accross. They used to come out with the same crap in Scotland until Kriss Donald got burned alive by Muslim racists.
I don't know much about the situation in Scotland, past and present. I do get the impression that Muslims are an underclass in the UK. For some reason many uneducated Pakistanis are allowed entry (maybe they are chain immigrants?). There have long been news stories about racial tensions and problems in those communities.

In Canada, negative news about Muslims is fairly new. This article is one. The recent sting on a suspected terrorist group is the only other major one I can recall. Not that they should be trivialized, but it is to be seen whether this is part of a greater trend or not.

Certainly, compared to other immigrant groups they do have a harder time integrating. This should be considered in our immigration laws. It is not racist to discriminate by country of origin, in fact it already happens.

Go to your medicine cupboard and take a couple of pills from the bottle marked "Wake the fuck up" before you make any more pointless pedagogic recommendations.
Hak just meant you are failing to acknowledge the inverse relationship between higher education and criminality, something that normally goes without saying. Herman Goering and the Muslim gangraping dentist are exceptions.

Hakluyt

10-05-2006, 12:16 PM

Okay. let me pedant proof that statement; the government and the media do not publicise the link between crime and ethnicity.
It isn't the government's place to do that, and I think the media already does to a limited extent, though I'm certainly not defending the integrity of the media.

Anecdotal evidence is the least convincing category of evidence but it is not a completely invalid source of evidence. Statistical evidence would substantiate these anecdotes but the people best placed to make a statistical analysis of the correlation between Muslim immigration and rape are not interested in providing this information.
Let's see some more of either, then. If you are convinced as to the situation this shouldn't be difficult to produce.

The belief that your country is so different, so accepting and so fair and decent that grateful Muslim immigrants will never behave in Canada in the way they do in every other country, is the most wimplike variant of patriotic vanity I have ever come accross. They used to come out with the same crap in Scotland until Kriss Donald got burned alive by Muslim racists.
I do believe this country is different and this has implications for things like crime and social harmony, but that isn't what I was getting at and I didn't imply so. I am not going to theorise as to why Muslims don't seem to be involved in as much crime as they are in other countries, because I don't have that background, information or the inclination to. I am just pointing out the dearth of information which should be required to back up the title of this thread.

A question you could work with in the meantime is one I already asked: why would Muslims be tending toward criminality only within the past year or so when they have been a numerically strong and unmolested minority here (almost a minority-majority in some areas surrounding Toronto) for 15 years+? (Actually, they remain at about the same ratio to the immigrant body as a whole which they've been since the 1970's, when Lebanon was one of our top 5 source of migrants). You mentioned 'confidence' of the community briefly, expand on that if you would, how does it apply to this situation etc.

Go to your medicine cupboard and take a couple of pills from the bottle marked "Wake the fuck up" before you make any more pointless pedagogic recommendations.
Sorry but your arguments have thus far been substanceless and very unconvincing and are only helping to convince me of the irrationality of those who make similar.

If it's any consolation I'm against all forms of migration a priori on cultural and ecological grounds, and this is superfluous to that. I just happen to be against tabloid-style sensationalism as well.

Hakluyt

10-05-2006, 12:27 PM

Certainly, compared to other immigrant groups they do have a harder time integrating. This should be considered in our immigration laws. It is not racist to discriminate by country of origin, in fact it already happens.
That's true, and like I said, I believe the situation in Europe is due to no social factor more complex than the psychological, religious etc. differences which are integral to being Muslim in the first place, and the results could have been easily predicted. I'd want to prevent them from immigrating here on the same grounds. But for one reason or another, as yet unexplained, the situation in Canada seems to have mitigated the usual results, showing it isn't universal, and it's dishonest for those opposed to immigration to pretend otherwise.

calvin

10-06-2006, 01:20 AM

That's true, and like I said, I believe the situation in Europe is due to no social factor more complex than the psychological, religious etc. differences which are integral to being Muslim in the first place, and the results could have been easily predicted. I'd want to prevent them from immigrating here on the same grounds. But for one reason or another, as yet unexplained, the situation in Canada seems to have mitigated the usual results, showing it isn't universal, and it's dishonest for those opposed to immigration to pretend otherwise.

Guys, let’s get serious, you know and I know that the media and the politicians have a vested interest in pretending to us that everything in the multicultural garden is rosy. If you wont accept a warning from a White person, please listen to what the Black victims of Muslim racism in places like Handsworth UK are saying. The Blacks use the phrase “from meekness to militancy” to describe the attitudinal change in the Muslim community, if it's all about Iraq, why are the Blacks being victimised?

Look at Australia, the Aussies, just like the Canadians, got along fine with their Lebanese population for over a decade, now these immigrants are almost universally loathed, their aggression and disrespect for (White) women is legendary. Instead of demanding that I justify my opinions please investigate the evidence such as it is. No government body is ever going to provide you with information that will cast Muslims in a bad light, that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a serious conflict of interest between Muslims and Westerners. Stop being so passive, think, investigate and act for yourselves.