Spain 'needs four million immigrants' by 2020

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Spain 'needs four million immigrants' by 2020
6 October 2006

BARCELONA — Spain will need at least 4 million more immigrants - between 16 and 64 – by 2020, according to a study.

The report, prepared by the regional government of Catalonia,looked ahead to the situation in 2020.

It said the nation's relatively low birth rate was not sufficient to provide Spain with the workers it would need in the coming decades.

Project coordinator Josep Oliver, a professor of applied economics at the Autonomous University of Barcelona, said this was the minimum number of immigrants needed to keep the economy growing at the pace of the past decade.
The report also said a minimum level of social and educational policies should be maintained to ensure that as many native Spaniards as possible enter the labour force.


Oliver said immigration was "unavoidable and necessary" because "if no one else enters, there will be a significant aging of the population," and, as a result, a lack of workers, so "if we do not have them here, they will come from outside".

In calculating the number of immigrants needed, researchers factored in annual workforce growth of 2-3 percent and gross domestic product growth of 3 percent annually.

"Workplaces produce the call effect" since "we need immigrants," but if a large wave of immigrants arrives it could create a "worrisome clash, given the problems seen with integration in other European countries," Oliver said.

Last year, Spain's Socialist government extended amnesty to illegal immigrants, a move deemed overly generous by the opposition in Spain and some other European nations.

Madrid provided work and residence papers to nearly 600,000 people, but more than 1.2 million foreigners continue to live illegally in the Iberian nation, according to a study conducted earlier this year by the Communist Comisiones Obreras, or CCOO, labor union.

The three-month amnesty process started February 2005, and some 700,000 foreigners applied to legalize their status in Spain, according to the Labour and Social Security Ministry.

It said 573,270 people were given their papers, about 70 percent of them from Latin America.

For months, Spain has been dealing with a wave of illegal immigration into the Canary Islands.
Illegal immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa bound for the European Union have increasingly opted for the sea route to the Canary Islands since Madrid tightened security last year around two Spanish enclaves in North Africa that were being used as a bridge into Europe.

People from African countries hope to reach the coast of Spain in an effort to stay in that country or continue on to another European destination.

[Copyright EFE with Expatica]

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=81&story_id=33552
Net migration in EU countries, 2005

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another 4 million latin american and African immigrate to spain, spain will become the first europe country replace by black and other non white

[Winston]

If Spain 'needs' anything it is an alternative solution that doesn't involve immigrants.

[Commander]

I hope they fill Spain, & all the western Europe countries full to the brim with 3rd world scum. The more the better, Russia will rise to become the Premier Nation.

The Western countries deserve to fall. The sooner the better, when that day comes, Israel will dry up like an old prune.

[Ixtab]

I hope they fill Spain, & all the western Europe countries full to the brim with 3rd world scum. The more the better, Russia will rise to become the Premier Nation.

The Western countries deserve to fall. The sooner the better, when that day comes, Israel will dry up like an old prune.The bizarre logic displayed in this post deserves no further comment.

[Torquil]

It said the nation's relatively low birth rate was not sufficient to provide Spain with the workers it would need in the coming decades.

Yeah because the economy is all that matters! :sick:

What's wrong with encouraging the Spanish to have more children instead of importing an alien population?

[Ahknaton]

It annoys me that economic considerations override matters of national culture and heritage. Exactly what will happen if Spain doesn't receive these immigrants? Their economy will shrink somewhat? Boo hoo hoo. Perhaps an economic downturn will function as a useful "market signal" that more babies are required. Immigration only conceals the fact that the current low birthrate is economically unsustainable, and suppresses the natural economic feedback mechanisms that would regulate it (birth rates tend to increase during economic downturns, also poor countries have higher birthrates).

[elbwgreez]

Somehow I doubt adding negroes to Spain will help the situation. You heard it here first, folks.

[Incitatus]

If Spain 'needs' anything it is an alternative solution that doesn't involve immigrants.
Indeed. This is another sign of the degenerate times we live in - a time in which economy is more important than anything else. The will of the people (most of whom certainly do NOT want more immigrants), national identity, cultural preservation: all are subordinate to the holy God of money. Dispicable.

Did these morons even think for one second about the long term consequences of 4 million immigrants? Did they even consider the fact that what's to be done is not taking the easy way of opening the borders, but developing a plan to get the white birth rate up? Don't these people give a damn about the fact that whites will become a minority in their own country this way, combining massive immigration with low white birth rates and high non-white birth rates? It's just unbelievable to see what's left from common values like national and cultural pride these days.

[Jimbo Gomez]

Those people don't give a flying fuck about the changing demographics DD. it literally is completely irrelevant to them.

[raven]

Is it really that high for Spain. The World Factbook shows for Spain

Net migration rate: 0.99 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2006 est.)

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sp.html

So which is right here?

[Björn]

Immigration today is the ultimate hoodwink. Imagine if you could find a way to secretly saturate the working class, make labor cheaper than dirt, make the 1% upper class richer than before all the while making the public like it and accomplish this feet in a matter of a few years.

[WFHermans]

If Israel thinks it's good for another country like Spain to accept 4 million African negroes, why doesn't Israel accept them itself?

[Jimbo Gomez]

If Israel thinks it's good for another country like Spain to accept 4 million African negroes, why doesn't Israel accept them itself?


Who mentioned Israel? :confused:

[WFHermans]

It's always jews that want more "diversity" in other countries, except in their own.

[Draco]

The Spanish would rather party until 7AM than have children, this is an eventual outcome. Their birthrate is abysmal.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Instead of furthering european natality and spend some of that tax money in a mother´s pay they rather let slip a few million undocumented into Europa they can exploit.

[TruthSeeker]

It's always jews that want more "diversity" in other countries, except in their own.

And also the Communists...oh wait....you forgot the Liberal Democrats!!! :deadhorse:

People seem to forget it's not ONLY the Jews who want more "diversity" (at least the American ones do), but rather people who feel guilty for being 'whiter-than-thou'. :nopity:

[Dr. Gutberlet]

EU nations should start imposing sterility taxes upon those who don't reproduce.

[Aryan Imperium]

I hope they fill Spain, & all the western Europe countries full to the brim with 3rd world scum. The more the better, Russia will rise to become the Premier Nation.

The Western countries deserve to fall. The sooner the better, when that day comes, Israel will dry up like an old prune.

Don`t be so smug! The USA is further down the slippery path to racial extinction than western Europe.

[Aryan Imperium]

EU nations should start imposing sterility taxes upon those who don't reproduce.

Which would achieve nothing but encourage the reproduction of the least racially fit!

[Kodos]

EU nations should start imposing sterility taxes upon those who don't reproduce.

This is the idiotic idea we can win a breeding contest with these people again, shoot anyone trying to cross the border and sterilize liberally...

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Expatica, Jan. 17, 2006


MADRID—Foreigners now make up 8.5 percent of the Spanish population of just over 44 million, according to the latest figures.

The population has risen by 910,000 in just under a year—an increase of 2.1 percent.

There are now 3,730,610 foreigners registered in the country out of a total population of 44,108,530 people.

The number of foreigners has risen by 696,284 since February last year, an increase of 22.9 percent.

In comparison, the number of Spaniards has only gone up by 214,562 or 0.5 percent.

Catalonia saw the biggest rise in population (181,887) followed by Andalucia (162,281), then Madrid (159,314) and Valencia (149,145).

Spain’s Mediterranean coast continued to see a rise in population as did its principal cities, Madrid and Barcelona.

The Balearic Islands has the largest proportion of foreigners (15.9pc), then Madrid (13.1pc), Valencia (12.4pc) Murcia (12.4pc), Catalonia (11.4pc), the Canary Islands (11.3pc) and Rioja (10.3pc).

Those areas with the smallest number of foreigners were Extremadura (2.3pc), Asturias (2.5pc), Galicia (2.5pc), the Basque Country (3.4pc) Castilla y León (3.6pc) and Cantabria (3.7pc).

Moroccans are the biggest group by nationality in Spain with 511,294 registered with the authorities, followed by Ecuadoreans (497,799), then Romanians (317,366) and the Colombians (271,239).

After that the number of Britons now stands at 227,187, followed by Argentineans (152,975) and Germans (133,588).

Romanians are the fastest increasing group of foreigners in Spain. A total of 109,406 new people registered with authorities in the past year.

There were 90,738 new Moroccans, 52,377 more Britons and 45,602 more Bolivians.

The number of Chinese, Bulgarians, Colombians and Argentineans also increased substantially.

The figures came from the National Institute of Statistics

[Ambrosio Spinola]

I love how they bend over backwards to mix a Brit retiree or german student with the equatorians and morrocans as "foreign".

Equatorians are THE pest.

[Olin D. Johnston]

It annoys me that economic considerations override matters of national culture and heritage. Exactly what will happen if Spain doesn't receive these immigrants? Their economy will shrink somewhat? Boo hoo hoo. Perhaps an economic downturn will function as a useful "market signal" that more babies are required. Immigration only conceals the fact that the current low birthrate is economically unsustainable, and suppresses the natural economic feedback mechanisms that would regulate it (birth rates tend to increase during economic downturns, also poor countries have higher birthrates).

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[harjit]

It annoys me that economic considerations override matters of national culture and heritage. Exactly what will happen if Spain doesn't receive these immigrants? Their economy will shrink somewhat? Boo hoo hoo. Perhaps an economic downturn will function as a useful "market signal" that more babies are required. Immigration only conceals the fact that the current low birthrate is economically unsustainable, and suppresses the natural economic feedback mechanisms that would regulate it (birth rates tend to increase during economic downturns, also poor countries have higher birthrates).

I too am often curious as to what the consequences would really honestly be in this case.

Or, for example, if the US seriously did crack down on illegals, which some say would have devastating consequences on the economy. What would be the real economic and physical results of this?

It seems that there is nobody really discussing this in a detached way. Racialists clearly have an emotional agenda, as do my "anti" colleagues. Those in government or the corporate sectors have their respective agendas.

Who can we believe? How can we get the truth? :confused:

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Immigrants 'drive Spanish growth'

Many Romanians in Madrid work in the city's burgeoning building sector http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42256000/jpg/_42256678_builders.jpg
Half of Spain's recent economic growth can be attributed to immigration, a Spanish government-backed report says.
The paper says that, as a whole, immigrants contribute more the nation's finances than they receive.

It says Spain - one of Europe's main sources of growth in recent years - still has "a lot of growth left".

Spain has been on the front line of Europe's immigration debate, granting amnesty to thousands of incomers, despite protests from other EU states.

There are estimated to be 3.7 million immigrants in Spain - about 8% of the population - mainly from South America, Eastern Europe and Morocco.

Spain has sought to stem the flow of poor African arrivals with patrols off the Canary Islands and repatriation deals with African countries.

Rapid growth

But the report, written by the prime minister's main economic adviser, Miguel Sebastian, says immigrants have played a major role in the country's development.

It says 30% of growth in the past 10 years, and 50% in the last five, has been thanks to immigrants.

In the last quarter, the Spanish economy grew at the fastest rate for five years.

"Immigrants have contributed to the creation of some 50% of new jobs" since 2001 and contributed 23bn euros (£15.6bn) a year to the treasury, the report says.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6152252.stm

[Ambrosio Spinola]

The Socialist goverment is getting ready to give voting rights to these folks.

[Anarch]

Why not import white Argentinians?

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Why not import white Argentinians?

We also have quite some argentinians but those melt right into the population without much problem (besides their funny accent :D). For that matter the same also happens with Romanian (non gypsie) and other eastern european migrants.
Ideally Spain should generate its own population needs and no one should migrate in these numbers but if I have to choose then of course there are better migrant nations to choose from rather than morroco, gambia or equador.

[B-Pep]

Why not import white Argentinians?

Most Argentinian's have no problem getting Spanish/European citizenship since most of us can trace our roots back there. However 1) Living in Argentina is economically not so radically different than living in Spain 2) We can't run from our own hardships, we have to stand and fight the Jews and the boliguayans. White Argentina is under attack and we have to fight to preserve it, since the country is a white country that was build for and by white people!

OH and funny accent? Do you prefer the way ColMUDians and Ecudaricans speak? >:O