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ПЁTP CMИPHOBЪ
10-08-2006, 05:22 PM
an excellent new article from Pravda.ru!

I value the diversity of the Pre-Columbian World, a “natural” diversity far removed from the pathology of America’s Multiculturalism and Political Correctness. I am a follower of German philosopher J. G. Herder, who believed that nations have souls and that individuals within the nation share common values and a common destiny. Herder’s concept of nation is opposed to the Americans’ traditional individualism, and, indeed, there is little that is American or British in Herder’s philosophy, which is better suited to the Romance, Slav and Celtic nations. Herder emphasized the significance of tradition, something America lacks completely and disdains.

One of the tenets of Modernity is that a break with the Past, some rejection of Tradition, is obligatory for “Progress”. Certain European nations have achieved and survived such a break with the Past, while others, such as Russia and Ukraine, have not experienced it. Visiting Russia and Ukraine, one observes a contrast with those nations shaped by the Protestant Reformation. The Protestant countries broke with the Past, yet the ephemeral values they embraced several centuries ago have by now mutated and continue constantly to change with time. The Protestants’ embrace of “Progress” meant the loss of the Herderian values of Tradition. What for Protestants just several centuries ago was the ultimate in “Rationality” has today become the Irrational. In the Slavic East, one has but to enter a church to experience a link to the Past.

Observing America today, one is puzzled by the absence of spirituality. Not only Christianity but most of the world’s religions traditionally have taught that knowledge and fulfillment are achieved by denying the flesh. Pagan Rome rejected that teaching, and America has now far surpassed Ancient Rome’s paganism. But doesn’t George W. represent some esoteric flavor of spirituality? “W.”, who parades himself as a pious practitioner of the American religion, relies upon shamans preaching prosperity in orgiastic performances, tap-dancing preachers promising riches and blessings.

Reflecting upon Modernity, one is compelled to consider the centuries of European monasticism, which produced so much of Europe’s intellectual heritage. Yet one marvels today at the contempt with which contemporary American society holds the monks of centuries past. Asceticism and celibacy are ridiculed by Americans. The Jewish media :jew: speak not about the values of asceticism but about pedophilia. And so the Jews :jew: gleefully disparage Tradition, while at the same time their attorneys bankrupt and force the closure of churches.

Where are the American virtues? American Christians have no great problem with exchanging a previous wife for one younger and more attractive, all the while rejecting any obligation for reproducing and raising offspring. At a cue from the Jews :jew: , American Christians have come to believe all their heavenly rewards will be met in this life. When it comes to morality, how does America compare with traditional Muslim communities?

My feelings on “W.”’s enemies are mixed. His enemies are not necessarily my friends. Islam is a force foreign to me. In France and Germany today, Muslim immigrants are a subversive force, representing no continuity of authentic community. Islam in France and Germany is, more than anything else, an artificial reaction against Modernity, Western values, and other evils such as globalization. I find veiled females and senseless, hypocritical prohibitions against alcohol as abhorrent as Modernity, Americanism, and globalization. Confronting Whoopie Goldberg and a conservative, turbaned Afghan Muslim, it would be difficult for me to express preference for either one of those two contradictory systems of values. Yet I admit I feel some admiration for Muslim communities, unlike those in France and Germany, which work to preserve authentic traditions. In some traditional Muslim communities, we find order, stability, tradition, and values.

Watching “W.” prattle, I am reminded of Russia’s clumsy and ineffective Nicholas II, who defended autocracy up to the final months before he and his family were murdered by a gang of Bolshevik thugs. The proud British come to mind also, once so confident in their proper English values and in the power of a monarchy upon which the sun once never set. All that strength and majesty was swept away, just as surely as now we can count America’s remaining days of influence and power. Babbling incoherently about the export to Iraq of American values and about democracy, a concept the Americans are no closer to realizing than the Soviets were to achieving true communism, “W.” personifies the putrid decay of a bloated, corrupt political system. “W.” is a nimble Pinochio, though the strings controlling all his movements are pulled by Jews :jew: and by supporters of Israel. I sense a coming catastrophe in America, and my instinct is to take myself as far away from “W.” and his minions as one might physically travel. When the flood finally hits America, it will be devastating.

:bbbat:

America will fall. Russia will rise! :viking:

Jimbo Gomez
10-08-2006, 05:25 PM
Welcome to the Phora. Why don't you tell us something about yourself on the introduction thread. :)

VAMPIR
10-09-2006, 09:56 AM
Welcome ПЁTP CMИPHOBЪ. Nice to see you here, and seems to me it will be nice to have you with those arguments. :)

Sulla the Dictator
10-09-2006, 10:19 AM
Its strange, but I don't feel rattled in any way by that article. Its almost as though its utter nonsense, and not the thorough and insightful piece we know it to be.

Petr
10-09-2006, 12:32 PM
The Protestant countries broke with the Past, yet the ephemeral values they embraced several centuries ago have by now mutated and continue constantly to change with time. The Protestants’ embrace of “Progress” meant the loss of the Herderian values of Tradition.
Dumbo apparently doesn't know that Herder was a Protestant clergyman himself, and greatly inspired by another Protestant anti-Enlightenment thinker, Johann Georg Hamann, whom we can actually consider as spiritual godfather of the whole Romantic movement.

American Christians have no great problem with exchanging a previous wife for one younger and more attractive, all the while rejecting any obligation for reproducing and raising offspring.
All American Christians who take their religion seriously do have "great problems" with divorce. Pious Christians have considerably greater fertility than an average American.

And it's mighty rich for a Russian take bemoan the lack of offspring and healthy family life.


Petr

Petr
10-09-2006, 12:43 PM
Приветствия мой друг! Я надеюсь мой русский отлично.
Whatchoo talking about?


Petr

Petyr Baelish
10-09-2006, 02:48 PM
Whatchoo talking about?


Petr

Self-parody, perhaps? :p:

Literal translation of his post "Greetings, my friend. I hope my Russian is excellently."

People should learn not to rely on online translators.

VAMPIR
10-09-2006, 07:55 PM
First of all, it’s good to have someone here with different point of view. It can be useful for all.
Why someone who is Slavic would wish America, and generally West to fall? Is that a point of Slavic spirit (not talking about movement, because there’s no thing like that), or any Slavic nation, including Russia? If it is, (which I don’t believe, and also don’t have a reason to believe!!!) I disagree. America gave so many good things to the world. And bad things, too. I’m not for all, but take what you like, and what can be good for you. That is, in my opinion, the most important thing that Slavs must learn from west: PRACTICISM. Critical view of things. When it be done, all our potentials will be valued. But also, I don’t agree (make me sick) with servile attitude of some Slavic nations towards the West. If you think you are less worth, what to expect???

ПЁTP CMИPHOBЪ
10-09-2006, 11:57 PM
hello! I am pleased to be here. Your Russian is good! :D

I am noticing a stronger anti-USA tone in media now, for instance Pravda, one of my favorites, is full of stuff like this

http://english.pravda.ru/topic/America-120/
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/09-10-2006/84945-pentagon-0
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/10-10-2006/84954-usdecline-0
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/10-10-2006/84954-usdecline-0
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/09-10-2006/84935-press-0

if you want to follow up that article. Remember that Pravda is one of the top Russian sources to the West...

Anyway in my opinion Russia and USA are natural rivals, they always have been and always will be. I do not want war with the USA. However I think that the American foreign policy should change and the USA should pull out from the middle east and Europe. If it does not pull out, it will be kicked out, this is clear now. I am also very displeased with the USA/UK's arrogant attitude to Russia. This is not a friendly world and Russia must be strong to defend itself. The West needs to clean itself up from all of the Jews and non-Whites soon or will be extinct. A strong Russia can help keep Europe clean from such people. Then friendship between all white peoples! :hugs:

NoSugar
10-10-2006, 01:53 AM
Stojgniev O’Donnell has been a guest writer for the BBET website too, which is now taken offline by Belgian authorities.

VAMPIR
10-10-2006, 02:43 PM
... However I think that the American foreign policy should change and the USA should pull out from the middle east and Europe. If it does not pull out, it will be kicked out, this is clear now. I am also very displeased with the USA/UK's arrogant attitude to Russia. This is not a friendly world and Russia must be strong to defend itself. ....
100% agree. That is critical view of situation.

Watzy
10-10-2006, 04:18 PM
However I think that the American foreign policy should change and the USA should pull out from the middle east and Europe.

And who the hell is Russia to order European and Middle Eastern nations whom shall treat as guests and allays.

Sulla the Dictator
10-10-2006, 09:33 PM
The West needs to clean itself up from all of the Jews and non-Whites soon or will be extinct. A strong Russia can help keep Europe clean from such people. Then friendship between all white peoples!


LOL NeoNeitzsche doesn't see much difference between Russians and black people.

VAMPIR
10-11-2006, 10:19 AM
LOL NeoNeitzsche doesn't see much difference between Russians and black people.
OH... it's so important what NeoN says.:rofl: Sweet. sweet, sweet....:rofl:

Watzy
10-11-2006, 11:27 AM
OH... it's so important what NeoN says.:rofl: Sweet. sweet, sweet....:rofl:

I don't see how it is less important to the opinion of the author and dispatcher of this article. Better to say it's equally unimportant. The fact remains you'll find Rusophobes in most countries westwards from Belarus - amongst racialists and non-racialists, all those not reluctant to end up under foreign despotism.

PS

The article is ten thousand light years from reality. Russians are in the state of extinction just like autochthonous natives of western countries. They are unable to save them selves, how much less Europe or anybody. If there's someone to really be concerned about in Eurasia, than it is fertile and prosperous China and the Muslim world.

Petr
10-11-2006, 01:02 PM
LOL NeoNeitzsche doesn't see much difference between Russians and black people.
He's a living anachronism. All reasonable WNs have moved ahead from Cold War mentality.


Petr

VAMPIR
10-11-2006, 06:39 PM
I don't see how it is less important to the opinion of the author and dispatcher of this article. Better to say it's equally unimportant. The fact remains you'll find Rusophobes in most countries westwards from Belarus - amongst racialists and non-racialists, all those not reluctant to end up under foreign despotism.

I don't agree 100%, but you knew that.(I suppose). Despotism comes from both sides Zvaci....

The article is ten thousand light years from reality. Russians are in the state of extinction just like autochthonous natives of western countries. They are unable to save them selves, how much less Europe or anybody. If there's someone to really be concerned about in Eurasia, than it is fertile and prosperous China and the Muslim world.
That might be right.

Watzy
10-11-2006, 07:36 PM
Despotism comes from both sides Zvaci....

I choose to differ. Political psyche of Russians was shaped after rolemodels different to those that shaped western nations since antiquity and middle ages. Russia is hardly a society with republican and parliamentary tradition. The only reason why they are not considered enemies no.1. like during the Cold War is because they are no longer fit to threaten Eastern Europe and West with their tyrannic presence.

This backward and autocratic state never emerged from barbarity and retarding influence of Orthodoxy. Europeans are fortunate that Russia is such a stagnant state unable to extended its grip across Europe, turning it into something resembling to Moldavia.

Indeed, I cannot think of a single Rusophile non-Orthodox nation west of Belrus, especially in Eastern Europe. Their presence left a bad aftertaste in Hungary, Poland and Czechoslovakia.

VAMPIR
10-11-2006, 08:21 PM
... The only reason why they are not considered enemies no.1. like during the Cold War is because they are no longer fit to threaten Eastern Europe and West with their tyrannic presence.
Methinks that reason is why Russia now is fighting by western methods: MONEY. They invented it, how can they complaine about???:) And Russia is No.1 enemy (for USA, at least), but not in public...
Indeed, I cannot think of a single Rusophile non-Orthodox nation west of Belrus, especially in Eastern Europe. Their presence left a bad aftertaste in Hungary, Poland and Czechoslovakia.
I'm so sorry, but it's true. But it was comunism, not just Russia. Russia existed before comunism, when it wasn't treated like enemy of Europe. It was British enemy, sometimes Germanns.... just like every other big and strong european state.