White Nationalist Subforum

[NathanTurner]

I've noticed over the course of my time here that there is a wide range of subforums on numerous topics, from socialism to current events; but there is currently no subforum for the intelligent discussion/debate of the ideology of White Nationalism, which is exceedingly strange given that there is a very large number of White Nationalists and other racialists that attend The Phora. I was wondering if it would be possible for one of the moderators to create such a group, both for White Nationalists and those who oppose the ideology so that there may be a centralized area of articulate discussion. That may prove to be a more productive arrangement.

Just the idea of an opinionated newcomer.

Nathan Turner

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

There are a lot of racialists here, I myself am a race realist, but I notice a difference between posters here and posters on stormfront and question how many racialists here consider themselves to be "white nationalists."

[Starr]

I support this idea, entirely. The only possible problem I see is that a large part of the threads in all the different subforums already kind of seem to revolve around topics of interest to white nationalists or white nationalism.

I was thinking of something similar a while back in regards to immigration issues(some can probably tell that one of my favorite topics is the hispanic invasion:D ) but didn't say anything for a similar reason.

[Arrow Cross]

I've noticed over the course of my time here that there is a wide range of subforums on numerous topics, from socialism to current events; but there is currently no subforum for the intelligent discussion/debate of the ideology of White Nationalism, which is exceedingly strange given that there is a very large number of White Nationalists and other racialists that attend The Phora. I was wondering if it would be possible for one of the moderators to create such a group, both for White Nationalists and those who oppose the ideology so that there may be a centralized area of articulate discussion. That may prove to be a more productive arrangement.

Just the idea of an opinionated newcomer.

Nathan Turner
How about the Imperium?

[NathanTurner]

There is indeed a stark difference between racialists here and on Storm Front; namely, those at this forum are actually intelligent and articulate, on average, while on Storm Front there has been a constant trend toward devolution... most likely toward their primate origins.

The reason I stated White Nationalism instead of another ideology is twofold. One is that I'm a White Nationalist myself, hence I'm biased. The other is that White Nationalism in its myriad forms (many of which are contradictory, but that's beside the point) is an ideology shared by a large number of White Separatists, White Supremacists, and (Neo)-National-Socialists. From what I have seen, I would venture to say that most racialists here are White Nationalist in the fact that they recognize those of European descent to belong to a literal, non-geographical White Nation with its common cultures, traditions, and ethnic identity. Whether or not they're White Nationalist in the sense that they believe the existence of the White Nation must be secured by creating a separate White Homeland is unknown to me; but I tend to stress the first instance as most important, the second being a logical response to current threats.

I think both the racialists and those who oppose it would naturally congregate in a White Nationalist subforum, unless there were enough of a different mindset that desired their own separate subforum. As it is now, one solution is better than none at all.

Nathan Turner

[Jimbo Gomez]

The Imperium is not a WN forum. It is a forum for authoritarian politics.

[NathanTurner]

How about the Imperium?

The Imperium is stated to be a discussion subforum for "authoritarian nationalism" of all kinds. This not only lends negative connotations to the movement, but doesn't actually describe its ideology or desired implementation in practical terms. White Nationalism more often than not opposes all forms of authoritarianism, its members being by and large intolerant of tyranny and authoritarianism of all kinds.

Nathan Turner

[Arrow Cross]

White Nationalism more often than not opposes all forms of authoritarianism, its members being by and large intolerant of tyranny and authoritarianism of all kinds.
Really?? So you support democracy?

[Halo]

The Imperium is not a WN forum. It is a forum for authoritarian politics.
Can you hook me up with the link?
Cheers.

[Jimbo Gomez]

http://www.thephora.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=116

Here you go.

[Thomas777]

I think that there should be a forum for Nationalists of all variants...it should be a counterpart to the Socialist Paradise. WN is too narrow in focus, IMO.

[Jimbo Gomez]

I think that there should be a forum for Nationalists of all variants...it should be a counterpart to the Socialist Paradise. WN is too narrow in focus, IMO.


They have a subforum because they are so few in numbers. The majority of people here are nationalists, so there are a lot of nationalist threads already. And also, at least half of the new threads would be people bitching abbout immigrants. We already have a forum for that.

[NathanTurner]

Really?? So you support democracy?

In all honesty, I'm an individualist; the only political model which I truly support is that of my own unrestrained ability to live and pursue the goals that I desire without external interference or restraint. In that sense, I may be called an individualistic anarchist; but if I had to choose between an authoritarian regime and democracy, a democracy would be the lesser of the two evils in this case. I am of the opinion that there is no excuse to allow someone else to control and govern our fate as though we were simply herd animals, or mere beasts of burden; and yet I know full well the inability of the common people to govern themselves and comprehend their true needs. That is what has led to our current plight; the common masses are far too dependent upon being swayed by emotion and intuition than on common sense and logic.

However, this is a moot point, given that the ideology of White Nationalism is what the subforum would focus upon, and not necessarily the political model upon which it would be implemented. Yet even if we were to discuss such a model, those individuals who would want to be led and governed by a ruler or dynasty that will tell them what to think and when to think it would be few and far between; hence, I don't believe the Imperium would be an appropriate subforum.

Nathan Turner

[Thomas777]

They have a subforum because they are so few in numbers. The majority of people here are nationalists, so there are a lot of nationalist threads already. And also, at least half of the new threads would be people bitching abbout immigrants. We already have a forum for that.

I meant a forum that would broach underlying philosophies of Nationalism...not merely a bin where people would toss out immigration related greivances, etc.

Plus, I like the Phora Bolsheviks, but they have it too good...we should start making them feel a bit more nervous.

[Jimbo Gomez]

I'm unsure about the added value, but I'll open a vote about it in our sacred Valhalla.

[Thomas777]

I'm unsure about the added value, but I'll open a vote about it in our sacred Valhalla.

Thank you, good sir.

[Starr]

and yet I know full well the inability of the common people to govern themselves and comprehend their true needs. That is what has led to our current plight; the common masses are far too dependent upon being swayed by emotion and intuition than on common sense and logic

Yes, this is a major problem and it is not something that effects females alone as some will try to say. Females are more often swayed by compassion and males by anger, both can be positive in the right circumstances and also negative in others.

[Thomas777]

Yes, this is a major problem and it is not something that effects females alone as some will try to say.

Women are screwing everything up by not rallying around Aryan supermen like Glenn Miller and doing everything they say.

[Starr]

Glenn miller is my master.

[Thomas777]

Glenn miller is my master.

That sux. I wanted you for my WN warlord harem. However, Glenn will probably give you to me for a carton of Bull Durhams and some Night Train.

[Arrow Cross]

In all honesty, I'm an individualist; the only political model which I truly support is that of my own unrestrained ability to live and pursue the goals that I desire without external interference or restraint. In that sense, I may be called an individualistic anarchist; but if I had to choose between an authoritarian regime and democracy, a democracy would be the lesser of the two evils in this case. I am of the opinion that there is no excuse to allow someone else to control and govern our fate as though we were simply herd animals, or mere beasts of burden; and yet I know full well the inability of the common people to govern themselves and comprehend their true needs. That is what has led to our current plight; the common masses are far too dependent upon being swayed by emotion and intuition than on common sense and logic.

However, this is a moot point, given that the ideology of White Nationalism is what the subforum would focus upon, and not necessarily the political model upon which it would be implemented. Yet even if we were to discuss such a model, those individuals who would want to be led and governed by a ruler or dynasty that will tell them what to think and when to think it would be few and far between; hence, I don't believe the Imperium would be an appropriate subforum.

Nathan Turner
I believe most White Nationalists are attracted to the authoritarian states of Hitler and Mussolini instead.

[Keystone]

The Imperium is not a WN forum. It is a forum for authoritarian politics.
Stop changing your goddamned names.....!

"White Nationalism" is an American thing. Create an American Racist (oops.."Racialist") forum

Same thing.

[Starr]

That sux. I wanted you for my WN warlord harem. However, Glenn will probably give you to me for a carton of Bull Durhams and some Night Train.


I guess anything would be better that being one of Martin Lindstedt's whiggroid female concubines that need to be raped and impregnated by either himself or some other CI warlord.:rofl: :rofl:

[Halo]

http://www.thephora.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=116

Here you go.
And now I feel uterlly stupid.

[NathanTurner]

I believe most White Nationalists are attracted to the authoritarian states of Hitler and Mussolini instead.

I disagree; I've generally found through experience that actual White Nationalists tend more toward the ideals of freedom and liberty which we're currently being denied within this decadent social system. Neo-Nazis, that is, National Socialists in the same trend as the National Socialist German Workers Party are typically attracted to authoritarianism centered around a charismatic leader, or Führer, and are fierce opponents of the democratic model.

Though it's certainly true that there is a wide variety of White Nationalists, and it is an ideology which may be implemented into myriad political models.

Nathan Turner

[Keystone]

I guess anything would be better that being one of Martin Lindstedt's whiggroid female concubines that need to be raped and impregnated by either himself or some other CI warlord.:rofl: :rofl:
....And forced to tend his asparagus patch....

[Thomas777]

....And forced to tend his asparagus patch....

Lindstedt has no idea what to do with women...

After the apocolyptic race war, I want my personal security staff to be a team of Dyanne Thorne clones who divide their time between foiling attempts on my life, torturing political prisoners, and catering to my every, depraved whim.

That is what I will be doing while Marty is forcing his harem of ugly 12 year olds to tend to his asparagus patch with jugs of his own urine.

[Niko Bellic]

I disagree; I've generally found through experience that actual White Nationalists tend more toward the ideals of freedom and liberty which we're currently being denied within this decadent social system.

I've had the opposite experience. Most white nationalists want people to be controlled, they just want to be the ones pushing the buttons.

The phora already has a Jewology forum, which is 90% of what WN discussions revolve around.

[Keystone]

Lindstedt has no idea what to do with women...

After the apocolyptic race war, I want my personal security staff to be a team of Dyanne Thorne clones who divide their time between foiling attempts on my life, torturing political prisoners, and catering to my every, depraved whim.
That is what I will be doing while Marty is forcing his harem of ugly 12 year olds to tend to his asparagus patch with jugs of his own urine.
Ya, that would be the cool Bond villian lifestyle, but the asparagus plantation is the exquisitely evil part. 12 year old ZOG wiggerettes hauling the jugs 'o gold under the cruel lash of Marty's cruel consort, Doxie (Francie, whatever).

[Keystone]

I've had the opposite experience. Most white nationalists want people to be controlled, they just want to be the ones pushing the buttons.
Bingo, sir.
The phora already has a Jewology forum, which is 90% of what WN discussions revolve around.
And niggers.

There's enough "WN" discussion going on here to choke a horse anyway.

[NathanTurner]

I've had the opposite experience. Most white nationalists want people to be controlled, they just want to be the ones pushing the buttons.

The phora already has a Jewology forum, which is 90% of what WN discussions revolve around.

I find that difficult to believe. In almost every case of committed and intelligent White Nationalists, I've found that they have no desire to control the political process and form a dictatorship, but simply to form into a geographical entity whose members are of like mind and spirit, so that they may create a literal White Nation in geographical as well as philosophical terms. Though I'll admit that it is difficult to find intelligent and articulate White Nationalists who actually understand the ideology they claim to espouse, especially online.

Sadly, a lot of time is spent by the less cognitive on Jews, Jewish conspiracies and other nonsensical discussions. I don't believe this has any place in legitimate White Nationalism; it is simply a relic from the past among paranoid individuals, and has little relevance today. It is nothing more than a morbid and unfounded fixation because of individuals who were likewise mistakenly fixated in the past. Among many, original thinking is near impossible, which would explain the trend of "Jewology" among certain individuals.

Nathan Turner

[Niko Bellic]

I find that difficult to believe. In almost every case of committed and intelligent White Nationalists, I've found that they have no desire to control the political process and form a dictatorship, but simply to form into a geographical entity whose members are of like mind and spirit, so that they may create a literal White Nation in geographical as well as philosophical terms.

How do you think those things would be maintained?

[Keystone]

I find that difficult to believe. In almost every case of committed and intelligent White Nationalists, I've found that they have no desire to control the political process and form a dictatorship, but simply to form into a geographical entity whose members are of like mind and spirit, so that they may create a literal White Nation in geographical as well as philosophical terms. Though I'll admit that it is difficult to find intelligent and articulate White Nationalists who actually understand the ideology they claim to espouse, especially online.
They're hard to find because there aren't any. "White Nationalists" are all over the place "ideologically". "WN" even glom on to certain right-wing politicians and orgs even though they wouldn't give them the time of day, and would go out of their way to distance themselves from such loons.

"White Nationalism" exists primarily on the internet.
Sadly, a lot of time is spent by the less cognitive on Jews, Jewish conspiracies and other nonsensical discussions. I don't believe this has any place in legitimate White Nationalism; it is simply a relic from the past among paranoid individuals, and has little relevance today.

You guys couldn't exist without Jews.

[calvin]

Nathan

Why would you want something to be separate if you don't think that it's superior?

[Keystone]

Nathan

Why would you want something to be separate if you don't think that it's superior?
"White Nationalists" believe white people are clever, benevolent but gullible giants, who need to be separated from the subhuman but tricksey mud people.

Correct me if I'm wrong, fellas.

[Basil Fawlty]

"White Nationalists" believe white people are clever, benevolent but gullible giants, who need to be separated from the subhuman but tricksey mud people.

Correct me if I'm wrong, fellas.I always had the impression that WN's thought that the majority of white people were some peculiar combination of master race and idiots/sheeple who needed to be protected from themselves by the knowing elite such as TGM and other trailer park nomenklatura in waiting. Something like that.

[Thomas777]

"White Nationalists" believe white people are clever, benevolent but gullible giants, who need to be separated from the subhuman but tricksey mud people.

Correct me if I'm wrong, fellas.

"White Nationalism" is sort of a big-tent ideological moniker that is tossed around quite a bit.. Jared Taylor and Sam Francis are/were "White Nationalists" according to some sources, as are Don Black and David Duke, and even Nutzis like Glenn Miller or Matt Hale. I do not think that these people all represent the same ideological tendency.

I also take exception to the notion that White separatists feel "superior" and hence want to live in sovreign, homogenous communities...that is sort of a dishonest account of Nationalist (not just White Nationalist) political theory.

[Starr]

I think it would be more correct to say that we want to preserve our race and what is our culture, and also respect the same thing for others, rather than living in some raceless, sexless, cultureless melting pot of nothing.

[Keystone]

I always had the impression that WN's thought that the majority of white people were some peculiar combination of master race and idiots/sheeple who needed to be protected from themselves by the knowing elite such as TGM and other trailer park nomenklatura in waiting. Something like that.
That is a good summation of the "movement", yes. TGM and the like actually detest most white people except the Germans of the WWII generation who stood up to the jews. My father and his brothers are considered race traitors by this lot for submitting to the draft in the 1940's.

[Keystone]

"White Nationalism" is sort of a big-tent ideological moniker that is tossed around quite a bit..
A big circus tent, Thomas.
Jared Taylor and Sam Francis are/were "White Nationalists" according to some sources, as are Don Black and David Duke, and even Nutzis like Glenn Miller or Matt Hale. I do not think that these people all represent the same ideological tendency.
They don't, but they are tarred with the same brush, thanks to the lulus glomming on to more sensible folk's work. Black and Duke aren't in the latter group.
I also take exception to the notion that White separatists feel "superior" and hence want to live in sovreign, homogenous communities...that is sort of a dishonest account of Nationalist (not just White Nationalist) political theory.
Whites felt superior to everyone else when we ran this country. Oh yes we did.

[NathanTurner]

Keystone,

The lunatic fringe couldn't exist without the Jews, correct. Jews, Israel, Zionism, and Judaism doesn't enter into my political ideology in the least, and I know for a fact that there is a solid base of freethinking White Nationalists who aren't so gullible as to adopt such nonsensical conspiracy theories. Simply put, those who attempt to destroy the White Nation through assimilation and other tactics must be actively opposed; there need not be fascination with a particular nation or ethnicity in that regard.

Calvin,

I believe that the survival of any ethnicity depends upon its ability to maintain its ethnic identity, culture, traditions, and heritage. In today's society, both in America and Europe, those of European descent are largely denied this right while it's freely dispensed to other minorities, such as Africans and Hispanics. I'm not so much an advocate for separation into a separate nation as much as I am for the right of White individuals to maintain their own ethnic identity and freely develop their culture without impediment from external organizations. To be fair, perhaps you should ask the black community why it feels that those of African descent are superior to those of European descent, given that they allow any and all expressions of Black pride, and they are currently allowed many privileges which Whites are not; namely, organizations which give financial support to those of African descent for college; organizations to which only blacks may belong; and black entertainment options that would openly be called racist if they belonged to Whites.

Every race and ethnicity has a right to their own advancement and existence; that includes the members of the White Nation. Because of the current anti-White racist policies in today's PC society, I can do nothing else but oppose them. That is why I'm a White Nationalist.

These and other questions and statements would be much better suited to a separate White Nationalist or generic Racialist subforum; hence the need is already manifesting itself.

Nathan Turner

[Thomas777]

A big circus tent, Thomas.
Yes and no. Jared Taylor, Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis, Nick Griffin et. al are serious, intelligent people. Its not fair to tar everybody who harbors racialist sympathies with the same brush as dysfunctional elements. Nobody compares Noam Chomsky to the Baeder-Miehoff gang...

They don't, but they are tarred with the same brush, thanks to the lulus glomming on to more sensible folk's work. Black and Duke aren't in the latter group.
I agree, but you seemed to be attempting to cast the entire notion of Nationalism ("White" or otherwise) into disrepute.


Whites felt superior to everyone else when we ran this country. Oh yes we did.

Obviously not, because Whites in America have spent the past 65 years undertaking heroic measures to compromise their demographic hegemony.

[Starr]

That is a good summation of the "movement", yes. TGM and the like actually detest most white people except the Germans of the WWII generation who stood up to the jews. My father and his brothers are considered race traitors by this lot for submitting to the draft in the 1940's.


I look at people like what you describe as people who absolutely refuse to step out of the past and live in the realites of today. they are existing in some weird little fantasy world. We are not living in 1930-40s germany, that is over and done time to move on and let it go for Christ sake. Times have also changed and another thing I am entirely sick of is this idea that anything that was done by and every position held by the Germans is unquestionably right even for our present situation(you see this given a lot as one more reason for a so called WN-islamic alliance)This "nazi" fetish shit has been annoying and just plain stupid to me since day one.

My white grandfather was also in WW2. He was an american involving himself in a war for what he saw as the right reasons. Anyone who wants to call him or his friends traitors can fuck off.

[Keystone]

Keystone,

The lunatic fringe couldn't exist without the Jews, correct. Jews, Israel, Zionism, and Judaism doesn't enter into my political ideology in the least
Well, they should enter it, because all of those factors drive our foreign policy to a good degree today. I'm not talking about the idiotic Jew Hate, I'm referring to the effect of Zionism on our decisions abroad.
Simply put, those who attempt to destroy the White Nation through assimilation and other tactics must be actively opposed; there need not be fascination with a particular nation or ethnicity in that regard.
Why cant the White Nation act white for a change? Lay off the BC pills and rubbers and have some kids. Stop chasing after the almighty dollar. Be ethnic---learn the old languages and keep the regional american dialects. Go to church ( lots of old culture there). Stop watching TV.

Isn't this a more positive path than resisting cultural "enemies"? It's not sexy enough, compared to the "struggle", I know.

[Niko Bellic]

I think it would be more correct to say that we want to preserve our race and what is our culture, and also respect the same thing for others, rather than living in some raceless, sexless, cultureless melting pot of nothing.

What exactly is "our" culture? All I have to do is point to some of the people on this forum. Many are Nationalists of their particular European nation, which is historically "white", but try telling them that. In a recent thread in the British forum, I recieved a scathing rebuke from Hakluyt for suggesting that he should be less concerned about Polish immigration than muslim immigration, because the Polish are white. I know that I can't possibly understand his perspective because I'm coming from an American perspective and all I want is more "white" genetic material moving into America no matter what the source is. I'd absolutely love another huge wave of slavic people coming here because in a generation or two they'd be fully assimilated white Americans, while in most of Europe such a thing would be abhorrent.

Edit: Holy crap! I apologize for that. That wasn't very "ugly" of me. Fuck all you Euro-weenies! God damn cheese eating surrender monkeys!!!

[Thomas777]

Why cant the White Nation act white for a change? Lay off the BC pills and rubbers and have some kids. Stop chasing after the almighty dollar. Be ethnic---learn the old languages and keep the regional american dialects. Go to church ( lots of old culture there). Stop watching TV.

Agreed.

Isn't this a more positive path than resisting cultural "enemies"? It's not sexy enough, compared to the "struggle", I know.


Well, "they" are on a war footing...and they have named their enemy. Their enemy is the "White oppressor" or the "White male" of myth and lore. Ignoring the enemy in hopes that he will just go away is not a sound strategy. Being a quiet reactionary will not defeat the enemy...only a proactive counterattack will...

[NathanTurner]

Keystone,

Your assumptions are intentionally erroneous. Neither I nor anyone else has opposed cultural regeneration and rejuvenation and, in fact, that is the primary purpose of White Nationalism; but I was asked why Whites would want to maintain their own culture separate from other ethnicities if they didn't feel somehow superior; hence my statement of external interference. It isn't about image or persona; it's about preserving our past and developing our heritage into the future without fear or intimidation. Any "struggle" which exists is in "acting White," as you said, when such action goes against the grain of public opinion and the sentiments of oversensitive minorities. As I have mentioned previously, those who are enamored with the ideal of revolution and revolt above that of securing the culture and future of the White Nation are merely fringe rabble which have no real dedication to their own culture, and must exist only when there is a perceived external threat, whether real or imagined.

Anything further that is to be said with regard to the ideology should be voiced in its own forum; anything else would go against the purpose of this thread to begin with.

Nathan Turner

[Keystone]

Agreed.


Well, "they" are on a war footing...and they have named their enemy. Their enemy is the "White oppressor" or the "White male" of myth and lore. Ignoring the enemy in hopes that he will just go away is not a sound strategy. Being a quiet reactionary will not defeat the enemy...only a proactive counterattack will...
Agreed, and since there isn't a whiff of what a counterattack would be except woof-woofery, I propose doing the expedient thing: reject the things that keep white folk in thrall of the society we've allowed to bolt away from us.

[Basil Fawlty]

What exactly is "our" culture? All I have to do is point to some of the people on this forum. Many are Nationalists of their particular European nation, which is historically "white", but try telling them that. In a recent thread in the British forum, I recieved a scathing rebuke from Hakluyt for suggesting that he should be less concerned about Polish immigration than muslim immigration, because the Polish are white. I know that I can't possibly understand his perspective because I'm coming from an American perspective and all I want is more "white" genetic material moving into America no matter what the source is. I'd absolutely love another huge wave of slavic people coming here because in a generation or two they'd be fully assimilated white Americans, while in most of Europe such a thing would be abhorrent.That's a very good point and a further example of the great divide that exists between us. Ireland is currently playing host to vast hordes of Poles. We would be quite happy to shunt them on to you if that's your fancy.
Edit: Holy crap! I apologize for that. That wasn't very "ugly" of me. Fuck all you Euro-weenies! God damn cheese eating surrender monkeys!!!Hehe, you let the mask drop there. :D

[Thomas777]

Agreed, and since there isn't a whiff of what a counterattack would be except woof-woofery, I propose doing the expedient thing: reject the things that keep white folk in thrall of the society we've allowed to bolt away from us.

Revolution from the top is the remedy...I have taken a page from the Frankfurt School playbook.

Fuck mass politik...we need to take back the academy and the learned professions. We need to reclaim control over the dissemination of information...after that, things are in the hands of destiny, for better or for worse.

I adressed this sort of thing in the "What is to be done?" thread.

[Starr]

What exactly is "our" culture? All I have to do is point to some of the people on this forum. Many are Nationalists of their particular European nation, which is historically "white", but try telling them that. In a recent thread in the British forum, I recieved a scathing rebuke from Hakluyt for suggesting that he should be less concerned about Polish immigration than muslim immigration, because the Polish are white. I know that I can't possibly understand his perspective because I'm coming from an American perspective and all I want is more "white" genetic material moving into America no matter what the source is. I'd absolutely love another huge wave of slavic people coming here because in a generation or two they'd be fully assimilated white Americans, while in most of Europe such a thing would be abhorrent.


it is difficult for us to look at it from a non-american perspective. In Europe I suppose it makes perfect sense for Germans to want a Germany for the Germans, Russians to want a Russia for Russians,etc. but we are a mix of different nationalities and should only be concerned here about a white america. Now it is true enough that the U.S originally was more geared towards the whole "anglo saxon" thing and other later white immigrants were not always welcome, but those white immigrants were able to fit in and be a good match for our society since they were of the same race and were similar enough in behavior, values, and abilities,etc. We are all, now, being shoved aside while non-whites are coming in and popping out baby after baby and being given all kinds of special rights. We in the U.S. cannot afford to divide along certain lines like they might in Europe and it would be quite silly for us as well. And there is most definitely a white american culture. Look at what a completely different country this was before the 1960s for example.

[Keystone]

Revolution from the top is the remedy...I have taken a page from the Frankfurt School playbook.

Fuck mass politik...we need to take back the academy and the learned professions. We need to reclaim control over the dissemination of information...after that, things are in the hands of destiny, for better or for worse.

I adressed this sort of thing in the "What is to be done?" thread.
No. No waiting for the pointy-heads to transverse through the glop of academia to straighten things out for me. Egos endlessly splitting hairs.

Did you notice how the Amish did their own embalming of their children who were murdered by the scumbag in PA?

[Thomas777]

No. No waiting for the pointy-heads to transverse through the glop of academia to straighten things out for me. Egos endlessly splitting hairs.

As our Irish friend Basil Fawlty pointed out, "who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past". "Pointy-heads" with alien sympathies and Gramscian dispositions conquered the intellectual landscape and recreated the world in their own image...that is what the problem is. The problem is not a bunch of illiterate Mexican nationals rallying in the streets demanding an extra .50 to clean toilets.


Did you notice how the Amish did their own embalming of their children who were murdered by the scumbag in PA?

No, I didn't. However, I think that the Amish are dysfunctional, Luddite cultists and that embalming is gross.

[Keystone]

As our Irish friend Basil Fawlty pointed out, "who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past". "Pointy-heads" with alien sympathies and Gramscian dispositions conquered the intellectual landscape and recreated the world in their own image...that is what the problem is. The problem is not a bunch of illiterate Mexican nationals rallying in the streets demanding an extra .50 to clean toilets.
That just zoomed right over. I never attended college. So your think-tanks will cure these calamities by the trickle-down theory? When?
No, I didn't. However, I think that the Amish are dysfunctional, Luddite cultists and that embalming is gross.
They control their own environment. It's not just lip service.

[Starr]

As our Irish friend Basil Fawlty pointed out, "who controls the past controls the future, who controls the present controls the past". "Pointy-heads" with alien sympathies and Gramscian dispositions conquered the intellectual landscape and recreated the world in their own image...that is what the problem is. The problem is not a bunch of illiterate Mexican nationals rallying in the streets demanding an extra .50 to clean toilets.

That is where the problem is based in with whites and the way they think, and if that mindset that is a result of what you mention doesn't take a drastic change soon those illiterate mexicans will be a major problem and one that we might not be able to handle. Whites are welcoming their own displacement and this makes me sick.

[Niko Bellic]

it is difficult for us to look at it from a non-american perspective. In Europe I suppose it makes perfect sense for Germans to want a Germany for the Germans, Russians to want a Russia for Russians,etc. but we are a mix of different nationalities and should only be concerned here about a white america. Now it is true enough that the U.S originally was more geared towards the whole "anglo saxon" thing and other later white immigrants were not always welcome, but those white immigrants were able to fit in and be a good match for our society since they were of the same race and were similar enough in behavior, values, and abilities,etc. We are all, now, being shoved aside while non-whites are coming in and popping out baby after baby and being given all kinds of special rights. We in the U.S. cannot afford to divide along certain lines like they might in Europe and it would be quite silly for us as well. And there is most definitely a white american culture. Look at what a completely different country this was before the 1960s for example.

All true, but when you mention it on this forum you have to, sometimes, throw in the disclaimer of being an American. I think it was Pat Buchanan who once wrote that if you took a slavic peasant, and a zulu from Zimbabwe, and dropped them on the street in an American city, which one would assimilate the fastest?

I've been hitting the rum tonight, and I'm probably butchering Pat's words.

[Der Sozialist]

I know that I can't possibly understand his perspective because I'm coming from an American perspective and all I want is more "white" genetic material moving into America no matter what the source is. I'd absolutely love another huge wave of slavic people coming here because in a generation or two they'd be fully assimilated white Americans, while in most of Europe such a thing would be abhorrent.

If America were the size of Ireland with a sizeable Polish influx then you would understand their frustration even if you could care less about the preservation of American culture.

[Keystone]

If America were the size of Ireland with a sizeable Polish influx then you would understand their frustration even if you could care less about the preservation of American culture.
Apples and oranges. America isn't Europe.

White American culture doesn't have a European equivalent, cause we've always been mixed.

[Niko Bellic]

If America were the size of Ireland with a sizeable Polish influx then you would understand their frustration even if you could care less about the preservation of American culture.

The preservation of American culture is the main reason I'm concerned about Mexican immigration. Mexicans have always been a part of America, but never in the numbers that are currently invading. I wouldn't have a problem with a 5-10% spic population, but it's getting out of hand.

Thanks for putting that in perspective for me, but the race still matters.

[Keystone]

The preservation of American culture is the main reason I'm concerned about Mexican immigration. Mexicans have always been a part of America, but never in the numbers that are currently invading. I wouldn't have a problem with a 5-10% spic population, but it's getting out of hand.
There you go....exactly so.

[Thomas777]

That is where the problem is based in with whites and the way they think, and if that mindset that is a result of what you mention doesn't take a drastic change soon those illiterate mexicans will be a major problem and one that we might not be able to handle. Whites are welcoming their own displacement and this makes me sick.

It sickens me as well, and you're absolutely right that the Mexican invasion is an unmitigated disaster. However, the reason WHY this disaster is happening is the core problem.

Its like if you and I were looking at a hapless cancer patient undergoing chemotherapy, and I said to you, "that poor man...all his hair has fallen out and he is completely emaciated". The victim's ailment isn't bodily atrophy and pattern baldness...the ailment is aggressive cancer that is destroying a once-healthy body from the inside out. What you see on the outside are signifiers of his rapidly declining health...

[Vindex]

Mine did too, so did my uncles and great cousins. They where not traitors they where just caught up in events and lead like well meaning clogs by the 5% of the judeo-globalism cabal. But I think they all still deserve a slap across the head for leaving me and my generation in the jewish nightmare they helped to create. I'am sick of most old people especially the ones who bitch about the current situation they helped to create but sat on their asses to do nothing to halt when it ruined the country from the inside.

My white grandfather was also in WW2. He was an american involving himself in a war for what he saw as the right reasons. Anyone who wants to call him or his friends traitors can fuck off.

[Vindex]

White Nationalism has become a vague thing. It lacks a real center core. It cripples itself by it's own design. American culture was summed up by Evola. I will not go by the label White Nationalist. For I'am a National Socialist, where a WN might be a National Socialist, not every National Socialist is a WN.

I'am beyond the 1933 dressing up, in 2006 a 2006 approach needs to be used. The fun thing about NS is the principals are fundimental and eternal thus can be applied under any new banner and name and time.

[Starr]

But I think they all still deserve a slap across the head for leaving me and my generation in the jewish nightmare they helped to create. I'am sick of most old people especially the ones who bitch about the current situation they helped to create but sat on their asses to do nothing to halt when it ruined the country from the inside.


I do agree with you here. They knew a very different society from the one we are currently living in and they were not the ones who had certain ideas instilled in their head from birth and yet they allowed this country to turn into what it has become. And so many of them do not approve of the changes that took place it seems, and yet they did nothing. I would like to say they did not have the power to stop it, but that sounds like bull because they had the numbers. If they were man enough to go to war, they should have also been man enough to stand up strongly to the war that was going on here.

[Thomas777]

I do agree with you here. They knew a very different society from the one we are currently living in and they were not the ones who had certain ideas instilled in their head from birth and yet they allowed this country to turn into what it has become. And so many of them do not approve of the changes that took place it seems, and yet they did nothing. I would like to say they did not have the power to stop it, but that sounds like bull because they had the numbers. If they were man enough to go to war, they should have also been man enough to stand up strongly to the war that was going on here.

It comes back to what I said:

Revolutions aren't made by bricklayers and welders...they are made by cadres of intellectuals. The Felix Frankfurters, Alger Hisses, Abby Hoffmans, Gloria Steinems, Antonio Gramsciis, Alan Dershowitzes et. al. conquered America's intellectual and cultural mediums and effected a revolution without firing a shot.

In defense of his generation, Pres. Nixon tried to stop this...and look at what became of him...

[Kriger]

Does anyone really believe that if the results of fraudulent legislation would have been recongized at the time that nothing would have been done to stop it?
Does anyone really believe that if it could have been seen that the so-called equal rights would have turned into the travesty of justice that we see today it would have been allowed?
All of this was presented in not only a benign manner, but also geared toward exploiting our White value sense of allowing anyone of worth to attain a position of worth.
We fought integration. Oh well.
We fought some legislative attempts successfully, some of them unsuccessfully.
The reason so many Whites did not object was because they had no way of seeing where it was going to hinder the White race.
Whites need to make their voices heard, just as Thomas suggests.
As far as the White race surviving, the White race will always survive.
There will always be those who have what it takes to survive and rebuild.
They just do it.
No blame, no whining, no crying, just do it.
Don't like it? Change it. Cannot change it? Deal with it.
With always an eye open for a way to make the necessary changes a viable option again.

[harjit]

I've noticed over the course of my time here that there is a wide range of subforums on numerous topics, from socialism to current events; but there is currently no subforum for the intelligent discussion/debate of the ideology of White Nationalism, which is exceedingly strange given that there is a very large number of White Nationalists and other racialists that attend The Phora. I was wondering if it would be possible for one of the moderators to create such a group, both for White Nationalists and those who oppose the ideology so that there may be a centralized area of articulate discussion. That may prove to be a more productive arrangement.

Just the idea of an opinionated newcomer.

Nathan Turner
The other forums are justified at the Phora in a way similar to the way Black History Month gets justified in real life, the rest of the 11 months are about white history. :rofl:

[NathanTurner]

There is no real ethnic identity or feeling of nationalism fostered among most Whites today. Whereas we have Black History Month, as you mentioned, there is no White History Month; the celebrations that we do have are distinctly non-racial, and are at most disparate national holidays celebrating geographical location which are then ignored by the majority. While the Blacks have put aside geographical locations and dividing boundaries in order to celebrate *Black* history month as a whole, as opposed to Nigerian history month, Sudanese history month, etc, Whites have been denied such a comprehensive statement of unity under the guise of racism. What you have said is completely incorrect; when we remove the focus of minorities from the yearly celebrations and acknowledgement, the public at large focuses not upon "White history," or even "European history," but are spoon-fed nothing more than disconnected and fragmentary facts that are devoid of any national or ethnic spirit. That is, unless it is trying to foster respect for other minorities and hatred coupled with White Guilt for their own heritage. That is of course the problem, and it has been in front of us all the time, though certain liberals won't acknowledge it except privately; the right to maintain a healthy ethnic identity and pride in our heritage is denied to those of European descent while being granted with impunity to other minorities. That is a trend that must be reversed for the well being of the nation and its culture; and no amount of liberal justification will change the reality of this fact.

Nathan Turner

[Hakluyt]

Now it is true enough that the U.S originally was more geared towards the whole "anglo saxon" thing and other later white immigrants were not always welcome, but those white immigrants were able to fit in and be a good match for our society since they were of the same race and were similar enough in behavior, values, and abilities,etc.
Did they fit in? I, and with most social historians pro or con, think they irreversibly debased (changed, grew, expanded, diversified, melting-potified; insert your favourite term for large-scale deracination here) the US, forcing it away from ethnic to civic identity, creating the first truly rootless and inorganic Western nation (as distinguished from the multi-ethnic empires of Europe, where national difference always more or less endured despite not being sovereign). In practical terms, the US was making its last gasps as a real nation in the 1840s when the Irish and Germans started to show up. America was not conceived as a "proposition nation", and it wasn't so when the hordes arrived, but it undeniably became one after - "racialism" as a sustaining ethos is every bit the ad hoc constructed identity as that which you are being asked to endorse today. America has just had time to get comfortable with the former.

I don't deny that the transition was successful, materially, and that's exactly the problem: the goals of the experiment were far exceeded. A precedent was set that ethnic mixing is not only OK, but the artificiality of a non-ethnic union can bring stability, and get people closer to the good life/prosperity/god. To make my point succinctly, racialism is the 2nd lowest form of identity, next to humanism/globalism. And they have everything in common: where does the essential difference lie between the robber-baron Republican of the 19th century, justifying mass migration of aliens for expansion and profit, and the pro-growth globalist of today? Both treat/ed human beings as little more than interchangable economic units.

I would say racialism is marginally preferable to globalism because, at the very least, it's exclusive and it spares other races from this malign influence. If we're going to be regressive its for the better that we limit our scope to ourselves and be responsible citizens of the world by default. That much would be historical justice. But in the final analysis, it seems obvious to me that (American) racialism is the single biggest factor that has contributed to our modern crises of identity and allowed globalism to flourish in the first place (at the very least this is true for the English-speaking world).

[Niko Bellic]

Did they fit in? I, and with most social historians pro or con, think they irreversibly debased (changed, grew, expanded, diversified, melting-potified; insert your favourite term for large-scale deracination here) the US, forcing it away from ethnic to civic identity, creating the first truly rootless and inorganic Western nation (as distinguished from the multi-ethnic empires of Europe, where national difference always more or less endured despite not being sovereign). In practical terms, the US was making its last gasps as a real nation in the 1840s when the Irish and Germans started to show up.

The way I see it, and you can ridicule this all you want, America is a tribute to Europe. The dominant English culture absorbed everyone to one degree or another, but America is the result of all the best of Europe mixing together in a new nation. This should not be taken as an argument that Europe should follow suit with its mad EU scheme.

I say this as a 100% pure German by blood who only identifies as a white American. If I wasn't on a forum where that kind of thing matters, I wouldn't even mention it.

BTW German mercs fought for England in the revolution, then decided to stay after they lost.

America was not conceived as a "proposition nation",

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

If that's not a "proposition nation", I don't know what is.

I don't deny that the transition was successful, materially, and that's exactly the problem: the goals of the experiment were far exceeded. A precedent was set that ethnic mixing is not only OK, but the artificiality of a non-ethnic union can bring stability, and get people closer to the good life/prosperity/god.

As I said in an earlier post, I can't appreciate your perspective, and as a nationalist of your European nation, you can't appreciate mine. All you people in Europe are jammed together, in close geographical proximity, but with cultures and identities that can't mix without dying. That is shattered by the act of moving across an ocean to a new land. It facilitated the common superior facets of all the different groups to be distilled together into something that was greater than its parts.