Waffen-ss Depedestaled

[ogenoct]

WAFFEN-SS DEPEDESTALED

by Constantin von Hoffmeister


This is why it is distasteful, as a good European in the Nietzschean sense, to praise the Waffen-SS: The Waffen-SS was an active agent in the eradication of Europe as it has existed for millennia. The "honor" of the Waffen-SS was a dubious one at best, considering the nature of its oath of loyalty and to whom it was addressed, namely to an all too human "Fuehrer" and not to its people it always extolled as worthy of a defense (that, in the grim reality of history, was nothing but an excuse for an offense that had as its main aim the annihilation of another people). Toasting to the Waffen-SS is like toasting to a bunch of marauding Mongols. Hailing the Waffen-SS is like hailing Genghis Khan! Admirers of the Waffen-SS are knee-deep in nostalgia, waddling around the swamp of a sanitized historical setting, replete with heroes and villains, a world black and white where the shades have been erased and the main characters amputated so as not to show the tentacles that they waved around, trying to grab and steal and loot. But what can one expect from admirers of soldiers who were led by a chink?

there he walks
down the snowy road
straight to the gulag
where he belongs!
that gray-clad beast
now defanged and sad
so sad!
boo hoo!
abandoned by a people
he willingly betrayed
like a house cat in heat
running in circles
never getting it on
meow-meow!

The knights of National Socialism, Berlin as Camelot, Hitler as King Arthur: elements of a fairy tale without a happy ending. Is this fairy tale a tragic one? No, it is not. The unhappy ending was a happy one for the people, once destined for extermination, that were liberated by the true ancestors of the noble Aryans. The East once more beat the West, the latter trying to kill the former with weapons once imposed upon it by the former with force, the former doing what it has always done best: overcoming through superior force.

The cartoon that Nazis like to watch is one that is full of action and heroic antics, sacrifice and sappy melodramatic elements. What Nazis criticize Hollywood of doing (namely, fabricating propaganda to serve an unholy and monolithic mission), they themselves excel at doing. Nazis are notoriously one-sided creatures. They see what they want to see in themselves and refuse to see what others actually are. After a human being has digested a heavy meal, what comes out is brown. The geneses and results of historical events are multifaceted and colorful in their dialectic natures. The double-standardized coat of protection (against certain truths) that Nazis wear is full of holes and in dire need of a good stitching.

but they refuse the tailor's help
and so they crawl back
into imaginary trenches
into foxholes in fossilized forests of the mind
thinking about tanks and not tits

[Aryan Imperium]

Shame on the race-traitor scum who composed this diatribe and he who posted it!
The Waffen SS was the only force that kept back the mongol hordes from invading Europe. Within its ranks were the very best and fittest of the Aryan race, fighting a noble cause to save Europe from the mongolian hordes of jewish bolshevism.
The next time you scum complain about the brown hordes that are invading your lands and fucking your slut women remember that if Hitler had not been opposed by the race-traitor nations of the USA and Britain Europa today would not be under threat of invasion and genocide of the Aryan race.

[Vindex]

Well I don't expect a follower of jewish crafted communism in whatever hybrid form flavour of the month your calling it today. To admire those who are truely Aryans. So no big deal.:deadhorse:

[Vindex]

Yes this is a common tactic to blame Hitler for the current situation for lazy reasons. The policy in action today was already being put into action in his time. The Globalization cabal just speeded it up a tad. But prehaps that will be in our interests as the story of the frog and the boiling pot.

Reading Hitler's thoughts on things most of what he said Europe and the West would become like if not for National Socialism or if they lost the war. Has come to pass. Because he knew the mind behind the evil.

Shame on the race-traitor scum who composed this diatribe and he who posted it!
The Waffen SS was the only force that kept back the mongol hordes from invading Europe. Within its ranks were the very best and fittest of the Aryan race, fighting a noble cause to save Europe from the mongolian hordes of jewish bolshevism.
The next time you scum complain about the brown hordes that are invading your lands and fucking your slut women remember that if Hitler had not been opposed by the race-traitor nations of the USA and Britain Europa today would not be under threat of invasion and genocide of the Aryan race.

[ogenoct]

Shame on the race-traitor scum who composed this diatribe and he who posted it!
The Waffen SS was the only force that kept back the mongol hordes from invading Europe.

I composed this "diatribe" and posted it. Russians are not mongols, you moron!


Constantin

[Kodos]

Not its not like hailing Ghenghis Khan, the Mongols severely weakened the Muslim threat to the west... no such benefit accrued from the Reichs tenure.

[Tchort]

I enjoy every one of your articles Constantin :)

Until people stop worshipping NS and believing Adolf Hitler was the Hero of the Second World War, we cannot move forward. Forward, not backward into the future. There is a difference.

The Waffen-SS were political soldiers, a good example of what the Heer would have looked like if Roehm had been given authority to replace it with the SA. High losses, high morale, downright fanaticism- even in the face of 90% casualty rates.

Send the best of our boys off to die in machine gun thunderstorms in the Ostland, brilliant. NS was a failed experiment, a proto-Fascist attempt, not the first and not the last. Nazi racialism, Hitler worshipping, regressionist politics and strategy, all of this hinders any attempt to move forward with a Fascist agenda. Most of these American 'NS' today are more loyal to historical Germany than they are their own communities, let alone their own nation and its people. Anyone who still openly identifies with Nazi hero worship is a regressive fool. Forget World War Two. Pretend it never existed. There is no need for 'neo-Nazi' anything, intelligent and brave men of faith in our Idea have already initiated the frame, the skeleton of a new dogma to present our Idea to the world, and spread it and nurture it.

Worshipping the Waffen-SS, praising them for anything, is unacceptable. Nazism is a dinosaur politically. It is October 2006. Demographics, pop culture, technology, social dynamic, laws, everything is different. For this reason, anyone who still calls themselves Fascists or National Socialists are liars, they are historo-fetishists who have no interest in politics or social change, they are not revolutionaries, they are regressive romantics. Or skinhead convict pederasts who think the hakenkrauz is a kewl symbol for their gang to sell meth to kids.

[Aryan Imperium]

I composed this "diatribe" and posted it. Russians are not mongols, you moron!


Constantin

You claim `credit` for this nonsense?
Did I refer to Russians? No, I referred to mongols as many of the front line raping and pillaging half-men were. Do you have a problem with that?

[Aryan Imperium]

Not its not like hailing Ghenghis Khan, the Mongols severely weakened the Muslim threat to the west... no such benefit accrued from the Reichs tenure.

If the Reich had not been opposed and destroyed by white race-traitors there would be no moslem threat today. Has that ever crossed your mind?

[ogenoct]

You claim `credit` for this nonsense?
Did I refer to Russians? No, I referred to mongols as many of the front line raping and pillaging half-men were. Do you have a problem with that?

Nazi Germany did not attack the mongols living in the Soviet Union. It attacked the Soviet Union itself whose majority population consists of Aryan Russians. What about the atrocities committed by the Wehrmacht and the SS against fellow Whites in Russia? Operation Barbarossa was an anti-European "crusade" and anybody who praises it is a traitor to Europe.

Constantin

[Aryan Imperium]

=Tchort]I enjoy every one of your articles Constantin :)

Until people stop worshipping NS and believing Adolf Hitler was the Hero of the Second World War, we cannot move forward. Forward, not backward into the future. There is a difference.


`Move forward` in to what? Do you want us to divorce ourselves from our past, to forget what Der Ewige Jude has done to us?

The Waffen-SS were political soldiers, a good example of what the Heer would have looked like if Roehm had been given authority to replace it with the SA. High losses, high morale, downright fanaticism- even in the face of 90% casualty rates.


I will second that.

Send the best of our boys off to die in machine gun thunderstorms in the Ostland, brilliant. NS was a failed experiment, a proto-Fascist attempt, not the first and not the last. Nazi racialism, Hitler worshipping, regressionist politics and strategy, all of this hinders any attempt to move forward with a Fascist agenda. Most of these American 'NS' today are more loyal to historical Germany than they are their own communities, let alone their own nation and its people. Anyone who still openly identifies with Nazi hero worship is a regressive fool. Forget World War Two. Pretend it never existed. There is no need for 'neo-Nazi' anything, intelligent and brave men of faith in our Idea have already initiated the frame, the skeleton of a new dogma to present our Idea to the world, and spread it and nurture it.


National Socialism still lives! It is not confined to the era or the 20s-40s but its philosphy is relevant to today and is timeless.

Worshipping the Waffen-SS, praising them for anything, is unacceptable.


`Unacceptable` to who? The jewish overlords or the wannabee career nationlist politicians who are milking the gravy train like pigs around the trough?[Apologies for the mixed metaphors].

Nazism is a dinosaur politically. It is October 2006. Demographics, pop culture, technology, social dynamic, laws, everything is different.


`Pop culture`? You want us all to wear baseball caps back to front and baggy trousers like the niggers/wiggers?
All the more need to stay rooted in our Aryan past.

For this reason, anyone who still calls themselves Fascists or National Socialists are liars, they are historo-fetishists who have no interest in politics or social change, they are not revolutionaries, they are regressive romantics. Or skinhead convict pederasts who think the hakenkrauz is a kewl symbol for their gang to sell meth to kids.[

I am neither a `convicted pedarist` nor a `regressive romantic`. Sorry to burst your bubble and break the old stereotype that you have of us.
In fact what exactly do you stand for when your jewish over lords allow you to stand that is?

[Aryan Imperium]

Nazi Germany did not attack the mongols living in the Soviet Union. It attacked the Soviet Union itself whose majority population consists of Aryan Russians. What about the atrocities committed by the Wehrmacht and the SS against fellow Whites in Russia? Operation Barbarossa was an anti-European "crusade" and anybody who praises it is a traitor to Europe.

Constantin

You know as well as I do that Stalin was preparing to invade Germany. Hitler merely made a pre-emptive and there self-defensive strike. I make absolutely no apologies for that.
Just as I make no apologies for Germany fighting a crusade against bolshevism in Europe. Hate to shake the foundations of your belief but the war in the east was primarily a war of ideology-National Socialism against jewish inspired bolshevism.
It still does not alter the fact that half human mongol soviet troops murdered and raped women in the tens of thousands.
My only regret is that Germany did not destroy far more of the Soviet empire.

[Der Sozialist]

You know as well as I do that Stalin was preparing to invade Germany.
:rolleyes:

Hitler merely made a pre-emptive and there self-defensive strike. I make absolutely no apologies for that.
Just as I make no apologies for Germany fighting a crusade against bolshevism in Europe. Hate to shake the foundations of your belief but the war in the east was primarily a war of ideology-National Socialism against jewish inspired bolshevism.
It still does not alter the fact that half human mongol soviet troops murdered and raped women in the tens of thousands.
My only regret is that Germany did not destroy far more of the Soviet empire.

Indeed, and I make no apologies for the allies bombing German cities, for Russian soldiers raping German women, etc. All was equally fair, as the saying goes….

However, I do find it a bit pathetic that you talk about “Germany destroying the USSR” when it was the USSR that destroyed Germany. It was the USSR that ended up occupying half of Germany (well, about 1/3 of total area) not the other way around. The USSR had the ability to move of all of Germany’s inhabitants to Siberia but it did not while Hitler had wet dreams of doing precisely this to the Russians. You were lucky that the Russians had no ability to hold a grudge.

[Aryan Imperium]

Der Sozialist]:rolleyes:

You can roll your eyes and ignore the truth as much as you like but the facts are not going away.

http://history.acusd.edu/gen/ww2timeline/stalin.html
In a secret speech to the Politburo on August 19, 1939, Stalin revealed his plan to wage war on Europe and Germany to Sovietize all Europe to the Channel. It was four days later that German Foreign Minister Ribbentrop arrived to join Stalin and Molotov in signing the final version of the Nazi-Soviet Treaty of Nonaggression, including the secret protocols dividing control of territory in Europe, that emerged from diplomatic discussions since April 17, 1939.

Indeed, and I make no apologies for the allies bombing German cities, for Russian soldiers raping German women, etc. All was equally fair, as the saying goes….

Spoken like a true jewish bolshevist.


However, I do find it a bit pathetic that you talk about “Germany destroying the USSR” when it was the USSR that destroyed Germany. It was the USSR that ended up occupying half of Germany (well, about 1/3 of total area) not the other way around. The USSR had the ability to move of all of Germany’s inhabitants to Siberia but it did not while Hitler had wet dreams of doing precisely this to the Russians. You were lucky that the Russians had no ability to hold a grudge.


Then why are you whining about alleged German `atrocities` then? You can`t have it both ways.
For the record I am not anti-Russian just anti-bolshevic.

[Der Sozialist]

Then why are you whining about alleged German `atrocities` then? You can`t have it both ways.
For the record I am not anti-Russian just anti-bolshevic.

When have I whined? Just in the post you responded to, I stated that Germany’s actions were “fair.”

EDIT: Your link does not work.

[Tchort]

`Move forward` in to what? Do you want us to divorce ourselves from our past, to forget what Der Ewige Jude has done to us?

Realize that dressing up in brownshirts with hakenkreuz armbands reading from Mein Kampf is not a relevant political or social strategy for change. Modern 'NS' organizations, even if they don't outwardly try to renact Weimar Germany circa 1929, try to use Mein Kampf as a formula for developing a mass movement that will 'win over' the people. Or they call themselves 'nationalist' but engage in neo-Nazi intrigue and continue to feed on their own irrelevance. Some aspects of NS are worth saving, but the blutfahne's, reenactment, jargon and NS racial theory (Rosenberg, Guenther, etc) is dead, and must be completely dropped from contemporary revolutionary politics.

National Socialism still lives! It is not confined to the era or the 20s-40s but its philosphy is relevant to today and is timeless.

NS is not timeless. The elements you speak of are not exclusive to NS, but movements that existed before 1919 and were unrelated to Hitler and his party, only adopted by them. As a political movement, NS is dead. It is irrelevant. All that is left is a Hitler-worshipping Germanophile cult that dresses up in uniforms of 60 years ago, sings foreign songs, reads an outdated bio-political testament and pretends the Jews are behind everything that has ever harmed anyone with white skin since the beginning of time.

`Unacceptable` to who? The jewish overlords or the wannabee career nationlist politicians who are milking the gravy train like pigs around the trough?[Apologies for the mixed metaphors].

Unacceptable to any person who is a serious revolutionary. Tell me what the Hitler-worshippers have accomplished in making life better for anyone in any Western nation since 1945?


`Pop culture`? You want us all to wear baseball caps back to front and baggy trousers like the niggers/wiggers?
All the more need to stay rooted in our Aryan past.

I am merely pointing out that this isn't the Brady Bunch society people like you think it was 'in the old days'. Things have changed, they will not regress to old times, they will only change again in the future. Hitler-worshippers and most nutty racists in general want to 'go back' to a different time, instead of wanting to 'work to create' a different future, and that is why your ideas and 'values' are a joke and nihilistic.

I am neither a `convicted pedarist` nor a `regressive romantic`. Sorry to burst your bubble and break the old stereotype that you have of us.
In fact what exactly do you stand for when your jewish over lords allow you to stand that is?

I was a neo-Nazi in my teenage years (anyone who remembers me from the old Phora can attest to this). I grew up, and see those people and their ideas for what they are- utter garbage. However, my beliefs regarding society, politics and race have not changed much, only my willingness to associate myself with people who really have no idea what is going on, and who are not serious about changing the world they live in- at least not in any practical, realistic, sane manner.

By the way, the USSR maintained traditionalist, heirchal European culture. That is why, of all Western nations, only the former Soviet bloc has any 'fighting spirit', and maintains their cultural heritage. Nutty neo-Nazis are always cheering Russian skinheads and Estonian nationalists and those East Germans in the NPD- all of these movements and societies exist because of the USSR. So called NS have no idea what Bolshevism, Communism, Socialism, etc really is- they think it is a bunch of race mixing, egalitarian hippies who want the races to mix and take away power from capable and creative people, etc. This is not only false but absolutely ridiculous. The craziest people on earth are white men who think they are going to fix the world by dressing up like Hitler and finding Jews behind everything, and that by saying this out loud is 'a victory for the white race!'.

Oh yes, and anyone who believes Stalin was getting ready to attack Germany is absolutely nuts. These reports are from one or two pseudo-historians who have been discredited in deed and personality.

A society run by neo-Nazis would be a sad site.

I am not claiming the above is a complete and thorough account of what should be said, there really is no point in trying to be courteous, intelligent or detailed when dealing with nutters.

[Aryan Imperium]

E=Tchort]Realize that dressing up in brownshirts with hakenkreuz armbands reading from Mein Kampf is not a relevant political or social strategy for change. Modern 'NS' organizations, even if they don't outwardly try to renact Weimar Germany circa 1929, try to use Mein Kampf as a formula for developing a mass movement that will 'win over' the people. Or they call ave been discredited in deed and personality.
themselves 'nationalist' but engage in neo-Nazi intrigue and continue to feed on their own irrelevance. Some aspects of NS are worth saving, but the blutfahne's, reenactment, jargon and NS racial theory (Rosenberg, Guenther, etc) is dead, and must be completely dropped from contemporary revolutionary politics.


Pardon me, when I refer to contemporary National Socialists I mean just that-contemporary. I do not refer to the costume `nazis` that dress up and have parades in the USA.
You should read a little about 21st century Natioanal Socialist thought. David Myatt would be a good starting place.

http://www.aryan-nations.org/reichsfolk/link1.html
I see no problem with the racial theories of Guenther or the spiritual theories of Rosenberg. Indeed his `The Myth of the Twentieth Century` is a real spiritual revelation.

NS is not timeless. The elements you speak of are not exclusive to NS, but movements that existed before 1919 and were unrelated to Hitler and his party, only adopted by them. As a political movement, NS is dead. It is irrelevant. All that is left is a Hitler-worshipping Germanophile cult that dresses up in uniforms of 60 years ago, sings foreign songs, reads an outdated bio-political testament and pretends the Jews are behind everything that has ever harmed anyone with white skin since the beginning of time.



National Socialism is the expression of nature and the revelation of the divine-god in man, the god-man. Its message is timeless.
Clearly you are unaware of its message, preferring instead to take your information from the jewish media, jewish film industry and costume `nazis`.

Unacceptable to any person who is a serious revolutionary. Tell me what the Hitler-worshippers have accomplished in making life better for anyone in any Western nation since 1945?


Tell me what the neo-cons have achieved apart from selling out our race and peoples to the jew and fighting endless wars for isreal?

I am merely pointing out that this isn't the Brady Bunch society people like you think it was 'in the old days'. Things have changed, they will not regress to old times, they will only change again in the future. Hitler-worshippers and most nutty racists in general want to 'go back' to a different time, instead of wanting to 'work to create' a different future, and that is why your ideas and 'values' are a joke and nihilistic.



You have no understanding about my `views`, you merely think that you do.

I was a neo-Nazi in my teenage years (anyone who remembers me from the old Phora can attest to this). I grew up, and see those people and their ideas for what they are- utter garbage. However, my beliefs regarding society, politics and race have not changed much, only my willingness to associate myself with people who really have no idea what is going on, and who are not serious about changing the world they live in- at least not in any practical, realistic, sane manner.

You sold out?

By the way, the USSR maintained traditionalist, heirchal European culture. That is why, of all Western nations, only the former Soviet bloc has any 'fighting spirit', and maintains their cultural heritage. Nutty neo-Nazis are always cheering Russian skinheads and Estonian nationalists and those East Germans in the NPD- all of these movements and societies exist because of the USSR. So called NS have no idea what Bolshevism, Communism, Socialism, etc really is- they think it is a bunch of race mixing, egalitarian hippies who want the races to mix and take away power from capable and creative people, etc. This is not only false but absolutely ridiculous. The craziest people on earth are white men who think they are going to fix the world by dressing up like Hitler and finding Jews behind everything, and that by saying this out loud is 'a victory for the white race!'.

As I said you know nothing about National Socialism but seem to be confusing it with an American costume fetish.Perhaps this is more about what you were in to in the past than serious National Socialism?

Oh yes, and anyone who believes Stalin was getting ready to attack Germany is absolutely nuts. These reports are from one or two pseudo-historians who h
A society run by neo-Nazis would be a sad site.

You appear to not only have sold out but joined the other side.
Tell me do you also boast about having a token negro or kike `friend? Perhaps like Madonna you will import and adopt a little nigglet? Just to show people how `right on` and `up to date` you are?

I am not claiming the above is a complete and thorough account of what should be said, there really is no point in trying to be courteous, intelligent or detailed when dealing with nutters.

Sy hello for me to your jewish puppet masters when you next visit Tel Aviv!

[ogenoct]

National Socialism is the expression of nature and the revelation of the divine-god in man, the god-man.

Do you have any idea how silly that sounds? National Socialism is a moralizing bourgeois ideology. Nature knows no morals. How can National Socialism therefore be "the expression of nature"?

Constantin

[Aryan Imperium]

Do you have any idea how silly that sounds? National Socialism is a moralizing bourgeois ideology. Nature knows no morals. How can National Socialism therefore be "the expression of nature"?

Constantin

Where have I mentioned `morals`-where?

[ogenoct]

Where have I mentioned `morals`-where?

Nowhere. But you are not refuting my argument.

Constantin

[Aryan Imperium]

Nowhere. But you are not refuting my argument.

Constantin

It is not for me to refute a false statement: the onus is on you to establish your statement with evidence!
Nature I agree does not recognise `morality`. I would be the first to agree with you on that point just as I recognise that nature does not recognise `equality` or `rights`. It knows only the submission of the weak to the strong.

[Vindex]

Many of the points against dressing up, reactionary NS or hollywood Nazism are sound. And the points brought up for 2006 NS are true.

The pure National Socialist of today a mix of idealist and natural philosopher. NS has been purified by Men such as Myatt and Jost Turner into it's purer doctrine they where able to see the substance behind the vechile of the time it returned in.

A persons natural level of development will be reflected in the ideology they claim. I have met many marxists that share the defective traits I see many point out in "neo-nazi's" bronze is bronze, silver is silver and gold is gold. The quality of the doctrine of National Socialism is not diminished because the bronze can not reflect the nature of gold.

[Mackie]

We joined the SS to fight the communist threat.
The men who did, should be proud.

[Tchort]

Aryan Imperium, you seem to believe that anyone who is not you is anything and/or everything you personally hate. I am not a neo-con, a jew, a jew-lover, etc. I've read plenty of Nazi doctrine, past and present, Myatt included (funny how you list a muslim convert with some completely insane religio-cult theories as an example of an ideal National Socialist-ever see a picture of him? Sure, he is the bronze skinned GODMAN! Behold the ARYAN SUPERMAN: http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/a2/160px-DavidMyatt2.jpg
http://www.document.no/weblogg/archives/bilder/0,,291484,00.jpg
)

Of any pre or post war NS, the only ones with timeless or relevant theories are the Strasser brothers, one of which was murdered by Hitler's bourgois power grab move in '34.

Why is it that so many of you claim to be 'TRUE' or 'REAL' Nazis? Europe has its share of nutters with swastikas shaved into their heads, toothbrush moustaches, dogs who know how to ZEEGHILE at minorities, etc. NS is not a coherent ideology, it is different to every single person who claims to be one.The media doesn't have to invent stories about you or your ilk, they create their own image. Objectivley read what neo-Nazis write on their messageboards and in their articles and magazines- it is nutty. The only ones who aren't nutty are the ones who follow the conservative nationalist line; and they are just as backward, just less repugnant.

You did not answer me. What have neo-Nazis accomplished in the last 60 years? Anything? Of the hundreds of thousands of people who have at one time been involved in your movement, the millions and millions of dollars that has been donated to every Nazi organization, of all the rallies and demo's and concerts and marches- is there any significant group? Any power? Any respectability? Anything of substance?

Guenther, H.S.Chamberlain, etc- racial hygiene/racial science is bogus, it is a pseudoscience that is along the same lines as apocolypse predictions through bible math, the sun revolves around the earth astrology, etc. Do you believe that the size of ones forehead can tell you how much Nordic blood they have? or can the radius of ones skull tell you their intellectual capability?

[Arrow Cross]

Regardless of what you think about National Socialism (the "fashion-Nazis" have nothing to do with the Waffen SS), the soldiers of the Waffen SS performed their duties exceptionally, they took the untakeable and defended the undefendable, despite the huge casulties.
Their bravery shall not be forgotten, for these individuals were outstanding soldiers, greatly feared by their enemies.
My salutations to the international Waffen-SS!

[Tchort]

Regardless of what you think about National Socialism (the "fashion-Nazis" have nothing to do with the Waffen SS), the soldiers of the Waffen SS performed their duties exceptionally, they took the untakeable and defended the undefendable, despite the huge casulties.
Their bravery shall not be forgotten, for these individuals were outstanding soldiers, greatly feared by their enemies.
My salutations to the international Waffen-SS!

This is a sane and rational statement. The Evolan mysticism of a united Europe fighting a common enemy is also not too far fetched. Claiming they were all examples of Aryan racial perfection/supermen/etc involved in a holy crusade is bonkers.

[Thomas777]

This is a sane and rational statement. The Evolan mysticism of a united Europe fighting a common enemy is also not too far fetched. Claiming they were all examples of Aryan racial perfection/supermen/etc involved in a holy crusade is bonkers.

The Waffen SS represented a genuine tendency towards Imperium...really, the first since the Crusades. I believe that this is why many NS admirers mythify the organization and its exploits.

[Aryan Imperium]

E=Tchort]Aryan Imperium, you seem to believe that anyone who is not you is anything and/or everything you personally hate. I am not a neo-con, a jew, a jew-lover, etc. I've read plenty of Nazi doctrine, past and present, Myatt included (funny how you list a muslim convert with some completely insane religio-cult theories as an example of an ideal National Socialist-ever see a picture of him? Sure, he is the bronze skinned GODMAN! Behold the ARYAN SUPERMAN:



You have turned against National Socialism, you ridicule its most important contemporary philosopher, you deny being a zionist supporter and a neo-con so what exactly do you represent?


http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/a2/160px-DavidMyatt2.jpg
http://www.document.no/weblogg/archives/bilder/0,,291484,00.jpg
)

Of any pre or post war NS, the only ones with timeless or relevant theories are the Strasser brothers, one of which was murdered by Hitler's bourgois power grab move in '34.


Not `murdered` but executed by the state for treason and counter-revolutionary activities.

Why is it that so many of you claim to be 'TRUE' or 'REAL' Nazis? Europe has its share of nutters with swastikas shaved into their heads, toothbrush moustaches, dogs who know how to ZEEGHILE at minorities, etc. NS is not a coherent ideology, it is different to every single person who claims to be one.The media doesn't have to invent stories about you or your ilk, they create their own image. Objectivley read what neo-Nazis write on their messageboards and in their articles and magazines- it is nutty. The only ones who aren't nutty are the ones who follow the conservative nationalist line; and they are just as backward, just less repugnant.

You know nothing about me and yet you infer that I am just another `nutty nazi`. You lack objectivity and once again you repeat the phrases and stereotypes that the jews have indoctrinated you with.

You did not answer me. What have neo-Nazis accomplished in the last 60 years? Anything? Of the hundreds of thousands of people who have at one time been involved in your movement, the millions and millions of dollars that has been donated to every Nazi organization, of all the rallies and demo's and concerts and marches- is there any significant group? Any power? Any respectability? Anything of substance?

Since the destruction of the Third Reich by `white` race-traitors and jews it has been an uphill struggle, fighting what seems to be a losing battle.
Far better if the Third Reich had never been opposed by worthless traitors: we would not be having this dialogue now and we would not have a multiracial problem.

Guenther, H.S.Chamberlain, etc- racial hygiene/racial science is bogus, it is a pseudoscience that is along the same lines as apocolypse predictions through bible math, the sun revolves around the earth astrology, etc. Do you believe that the size of ones forehead can tell you how much Nordic blood they have? or can the radius of ones skull tell you their intellectual capability?


What exactly is `bogus` about racial science?
Nordic ancestry can be determined by certain physical characteristics which is still accepted by mordern forensic science in establishing the race and ethnicity of murder victims. Are you qualified in this area?

[Sudaev]

While I disagree with most of the original post, I must admit that a sort of unwarranted mystique about the Waffen-SS has arisen in the intervening years since WW II.

In the main the W-SS was not that much different than much of the German army (Heer); it is difficult to paint the entire organization as "elite" in that there were so many different units, many composed of foreigners with different motivations for joining, often abbreviated training, sometimes filled with conscripts and even swearing slightly different oaths. Many of the units, foreign and Reich German, were "grandfathered" from other units.

The alleged high casualty figures (which have recently been disputed) in and of themselves do not necessarily attest to anything other than the ferocious struggle in the east. The US 2nd Infantry Division, by way of illustration, lost nearly 7,500 dead in the Korean War, more than any US division in any war. They also killed more enemy than any unit in Korea. But they were not elite.

Although I have an interest in the W-SS, I try to keep things in perspective.

[Tchort]

You have turned against National Socialism, you ridicule its most important contemporary philosopher, you deny being a zionist supporter and a neo-con so what exactly do you represent?

I do not like to put labels on myself. I guess what I believe could be termed, "Strasserist Fascism Syndicalist Third Positionism". David Myatt is certainly not the 'most important contemporary philosopher' of NS. This is absurd.

Not `murdered` but executed by the state for treason and counter-revolutionary activities.

The Northern NS contingent that was murdered by Hitler and his SS were murdered because they advocated a complete National Socialist social revolution; a complete national revolution. Hitler however chose to get in the pocket of the army heiarchy, the industrialists and the conservative/monarchist 'right-wing' rather than follow through with a complete NS revolution. Strasser, Roehm, etc were murdered for this- to say otherwise is an absolute lie.

You know nothing about me and yet you infer that I am just another `nutty nazi`. You lack objectivity and once again you repeat the phrases and stereotypes that the jews have indoctrinated you with.

I am going by what you have demonstrated in your posts, and I have been right as far as I can tell. Why is it that if I, as a white man, disagree with and detest you and your perverse pseudo-NS ideology, I have been brainwashed or indoctrinated by Jews? I know the truth about you folks from being inside the joke called the movement. I was indoctrinated by neo-Nazis, if anything.

Since the destruction of the Third Reich by `white` race-traitors and jews it has been an uphill struggle, fighting what seems to be a losing battle.
Far better if the Third Reich had never been opposed by worthless traitors: we would not be having this dialogue now and we would not have a multiracial problem.


If the Third Reich and the USSR had formed a pact (which would have made the most sense, since a historical buildup relating to a German-Russian alliance after WWI was in place, as well as lots of support from within the NSDAP for such an action, before '34 anyway)/ If this had happened there would be a healthy and prosperous Europe today.

Regardless, NS Germany was the 'race traitor'. How many Aryan men women and children died due to Nazi bullets, bombs and artillery? Who invaded white country after white country murdering 'racial kin'? Thanks to NS Germany the world is in the mess it is today, culturally, socially, racially.

What exactly is `bogus` about racial science?
Nordic ancestry can be determined by certain physical characteristics which is still accepted by mordern forensic science in establishing the race and ethnicity of murder victims. Are you qualified in this area?

I will ask you again: Do you believe the radius of my skull, or the width of my nose can tell you anything about my intelligence or racial purity?

[Aryan Imperium]

=Tchort]
Regardless, NS Germany was the 'race traitor'. How many Aryan men women and children died due to Nazi bullets, bombs and artillery? Who invaded white country after white country murdering 'racial kin'? Thanks to NS Germany the world is in the mess it is today, culturally, socially, racially.


Germany fought a defensive war against jewish imperialism,a war that it did not want and a war that it was not ready for. hite man, disagree with and detest you and your perverse pseudo-NS ideology, I have been brainwashed or indoctrinated by Jews? I know the truth about you folks from being inside the joke called the movement. I was indoctrinated by neo-Nazis, if anything.
The German people had the right to defend themselves against British and French aggression.
When you speak of `race-traitors` you should consider that is the direct result of Britain and the USA`s actions that the Third Reich was destroyed and along with it the Aryan race`s possibly last hope.
And look at what sort of a world that they have created-chaos,disorder,the collapse of all values. Our races faces genocide via race-mixing and this is entirely the fault of the enemies of the Reich.
If the Third Reich had not been opposed we would not be facing racial extinction today.



I will ask you again: Do you believe the radius of my skull, or the width of my nose can tell you anything about my intelligence or racial purity?


They are indicators of race and therefore of intelligence and racial worth.

I am going by what you have demonstrated in your posts, and I have been right as far as I can tell. Why is it that if I, as a white man, disagree with and detest you and your perverse pseudo-NS ideology, I have been brainwashed or indoctrinated by Jews? I know the truth about you folks from being inside the joke called the movement. I was indoctrinated by neo-Nazis, if anything.

You stand for nothing-except of course your very clear opposition to the Aryan race seeking to defend itsef from racial decay and extinction.
Your spirited attacks against those who stand for their race are duly noted.

[ogenoct]

And look at what sort of a world that they have created-chaos,disorder,the collapse of all values. Our races faces genocide via race-mixing and this is entirely the fault of the enemies of the Reich.
If the Third Reich had not been opposed we would not be facing racial extinction today.

What "values" are you referring to? The so-called "values" that the NS system upheld, supposedly in accordance with nature (or the stupid Nazis' interpreation of it)? I think we had this argument before. I will say it again: Nazis did not act in accordance with nature precisely BECAUSE they had VALUES. Nature knows NO values. You are a Nazi nut. "If the Third Reich had not been opposed," over half of the White race would either be extinct or in slavery. Also, how many of "our races" are there? I thought there was only one. I suggest you take a basic course in the English language before you continue posting your nonsensical rants here. English is not a difficult language. Even stupid Nazis like you might be able to master it one day.

Constantin

[Aryan Imperium]

What "values" are you referring to? The so-called "values" that the NS system upheld, supposedly in accordance with nature (or the stupid Nazis' interpreation of it)? I think we had this argument before. I will say it again: Nazis did not act in accordance with nature precisely BECAUSE they had VALUES. Nature knows NO values. You are a Nazi nut. "If the Third Reich had not been opposed," over half of the White race would either be extinct or in slavery. Also, how many of "our races" are there? I thought there was only one. I suggest you take a basic course in the English language before you continue posting your nonsensical rants here. English is not a difficult language. Even stupid Nazis like you might be able to master it one day.

Constantin

Races-a typing error you fool.
By the way the word you are grasping after is interpretation.
Don`t they sell English dictionaries in the `USSR`?
You truly are a vile little `man` aren`t you Constantin?
One day-after the Aryan revolution we shall briefly reintroduce slavery in the Imperium for the life span of all the race-traitors who have opposed the survival of the Aryan race and that includes keyboard marxists with psychological defects.

[ogenoct]

Races-a typing error you fool.
By the way the word you are grasping after is interpretation.
Don`t they sell English dictionaries in the `USSR`?
You truly are a vile little `man` aren`t you Constantin?
One day-after the Aryan revolution we shall briefly reintroduce slavery in the Imperium for the life span of all the race-traitors who have opposed the survival of the Aryan race and that includes keyboard marxists with psychological defects.

In case you did not get it yet: I do not "oppose the survival of the Aryan race." As a matter of fact, I am one of the biggest advocates for its survival. This is why I must point out to all dumb Nazis (like you) that their ideology is essentially an anti-Aryan one. If you do not get that (and I am sure that you will not), then you will be considered a traitor to the White race and treated accordingly. By the way, while I made ONE typo, you made numerous, not to mention the grammatical mistakes. What is your first language. Mr. Negro?

Constantin

[Empress Cheesatine]

We joined the SS to fight the communist threat.
The men who did, should be proud.

My oldest maternal uncle did and I am proud of him.

[Empress Cheesatine]

In case you did not get it yet: I do not "oppose the survival of the Aryan race." As a matter of fact, I am one of the biggest advocates for its survival. This is why I must point out to all dumb Nazis (like you) that their ideology is essentially an anti-Aryan one.

Erm, if you advocate the survival of Aryan peoples then it seems odd you call yourself a Stalinist.

[Aryan Imperium]

In case you did not get it yet: I do not "oppose the survival of the Aryan race." As a matter of fact, I am one of the biggest advocates for its survival. This is why I must point out to all dumb Nazis (like you) that their ideology is essentially an anti-Aryan one. If you do not get that (and I am sure that you will not), then you will be considered a traitor to the White race and treated accordingly. By the way, while I made ONE typo, you made numerous, not to mention the grammatical mistakes. What is your first language. Mr. Negro?

Constantin

There is an old expression: `people who live in glass houses should not throw stones`. Your rather pathetic attempt at ridiculing me when you make frequent mistakes yourself is rather amusing. What`s the matter? Failed to spot the mistake in time before I managed to repy to your post?
You are not getting any personal infomation on me race-traitor.
You may pretend that you are an `upper class` German living in Mother Russia but we both know the truth. You are nothing more than a 15 year old spotty youth who is misusing his father`s pc when he should be doing his homework, fantasising about being a marxist revolutionary. Now piss off kid!

[ogenoct]

There is an old expression: `people who live in glass houses should not throw stones`. Your rather pathetic attempt at ridiculing me when you make frequent mistakes yourself is rather amusing. What`s the matter? Failed to spot the mistake in time before I managed to repy to your post?
You are not getting any personal infomation on me race-traitor.
You may pretend that you are an `upper class` German living in Mother Russia but we both know the truth. You are nothing more than a 15 year old spotty youth who is misusing his father`s pc when he should be doing his homework, fantasising about being a marxist revolutionary. Now piss off kid!

Great! "Frequent mistakes"... Feel free to point them out. You speak like a true Nazi: Defame your enemies instead of refuting them. Awesome! You are a propaganda poster boy for the REAL enemy of the White race. Thanks again for your idiocy! The glass house is the fragile structure one might inhabit one day (only) while pensive about the future of the existence of one's own and only (the Race [which you care very little about, considering that you, in your psychopathic manner, think everyone a traitor who does not buy into your new-found Hitler religion]). The impermanent nature of this kind of building will of course lead one to conclude that an escape might only be possible if one not only shatters its foundations but also its entire integrity which, naturally, will entail bringing down the basic collosus (built up to last but essentially hollow) itself. It is cute that people like you still think that I use a fake name. What is your name? "John Smith"? Or some other such proletarian nonsense name? Do you want to argue? You will loose. Calling me names or making baseless assumptions about me will not change that FACT.

Constantin

[Tchort]

Germany fought a defensive war against jewish imperialism,a war that it did not want and a war that it was not ready for.

This is a flagerant, absurd, obvious lie.

The German people had the right to defend themselves against British and French aggression.

Aggression that was provoked purposely by the Germans by demanding territory, and taking it when it was not given away- knowing full well what would happen given Poland's treaties with G.B. and France.

When you speak of `race-traitors` you should consider that is the direct result of Britain and the USA`s actions that the Third Reich was destroyed and along with it the Aryan race`s possibly last hope.

Due to the insane racial cult of Nazi Germany, G.B., the US and every other Western nation gave up racist immigration and domestic policies to seperate themselves from Nazi racialism. Up until the end of WWII the US had a very strict racial-based immigration system in place, allowing only Northern Europeans into the country with preference (limited numbers of anyone else).

And look at what sort of a world that they have created-chaos,disorder,the collapse of all values. Our races faces genocide via race-mixing and this is entirely the fault of the enemies of the Reich.
If the Third Reich had not been opposed we would not be facing racial extinction today.

If the Third Reich had completed its domestic, national revolution and allied itself with the USSR, the world would not be a democratic, capitalist rat-race of social degeneracy. The Third Reich is the reason why the West is not a racist, masculine group of societies anymore.


They are indicators of race and therefore of intelligence and racial worth.

This further illustrates your insanity and laughable perception of history and the world you live in.

You stand for nothing-except of course your very clear opposition to the Aryan race seeking to defend itsef from racial decay and extinction.
Your spirited attacks against those who stand for their race are duly noted.

I stand for healthy ideals and values, and the collective uplifting of Western society through revolutionary means, I stand opposed to those who pervert and block any chance of significant social change (insane racists and petty nationalists).

Erm, if you advocate the survival of Aryan peoples then it seems odd you call yourself a Stalinist.

The legacy of Stalinism has done more for the survival of Aryan peoples than NS has (contrast the social and racial attitudes of the average Russian vs the average German today; contrast how they view their history, nation, and heritage).

[ogenoct]

The legacy of Stalinism has done more for the survival of Aryan peoples than NS has (contrast the social and racial attitudes of the average Russian vs the average German today; contrast how they view their history, nation, and heritage).

You must understand (yes, let us gang up on him!) that the person (ARYAN IMPERIUM - haha! - what an insult!) we are dealing with is a brainwashed individual. So far, this person has refused to even acknowledge the fact that Nazi Germany's aggressive attack on Soviet Russia was basically an invasion and an attempt at colonization. This person (is he really a person in the Aryan sense?) still believes (like a complete moron) that Nazi Germany wanted to "liberate" (haha!) Soviet Russia from "Bolshevism" instead of conquering it for "living space" (Lebensraum). This is the problem with these persons: They are so ridiculously brainwashed, they refuse to look REASON in the eye and acknowledge it for what it is: the truth. No, they refuse, and so they go on believing in some wannabe mythical "crusade" that supposedly was pitted against some kind of (concocted) "anti-Aryan" force. You are right, though, when you say that today the average Russian is racially more conscious than the average Western European. I am from Germany, and I live in Russia. I can attest to that fact. And I can also tell that person (who is obviously some impotent American computer geek) that he is wrong when he says that Nazi Germany or he himself were/are not against Russia but "Bolshevism." I can say that because Soviet Russia was Imperial Russia. Soviet Russia was proud Russia. What you have now, no matter what certain demented "White nationalists" might tell you, is castrated Russia. As long as Russians do not acknowlege their glorious pro-Aryan imperial past, they will have no chance standing up to the New World Order that this person unwillingly supports.

Constantin

[Ravenheart]

Nazis did not act in accordance with nature precisely BECAUSE they had VALUES. Nature knows NO values.

I disagree, and cannot understand how someone can be as passionate about an ideology as you are when values are considered ultimately arbitrary.

Also, how many of "our races" are there? I thought there was only one.

It's not unreasonable to consider the race to be made up of subraces.

[ogenoct]

I disagree, and cannot understand how someone can be as passionate about an ideology as you are when values are considered ultimately arbitrary.

Your disagreement is meaningless because I stated a fact. Nature also knows no "values." What are "values"?

Constantin

[Ravenheart]

Your disagreement is meaningless because I stated a fact.

You stated a theory.

Nature also knows no "values."

So why bother with ideology?

What are "values"?

In ethical theory, a "value" is something that is desirable in itself.

[Aryan Imperium]

Great! "Frequent mistakes"... Feel free to point them out. You speak like a true Nazi: Defame your enemies instead of refuting them. Awesome! You are a propaganda poster boy for the REAL enemy of the White race. Thanks again for your idiocy! The glass house is the fragile structure one might inhabit one day (only) while pensive about the future of the existence of one's own and only (the Race [which you care very little about, considering that you, in your psychopathic manner, think everyone a traitor who does not buy into your new-found Hitler religion]). The impermanent nature of this kind of building will of course lead one to conclude that an escape might only be possible if one not only shatters its foundations but also its entire integrity which, naturally, will entail bringing down the basic collosus (built up to last but essentially hollow) itself. It is cute that people like you still think that I use a fake name. What is your name? "John Smith"? Or some other such proletarian nonsense name? Do you want to argue? You will loose. Calling me names or making baseless assumptions about me will not change that FACT.

Constantin


Use spell check for goodness sake man!

ZOG alert: poster asking for personal identifying details!!

[ogenoct]

You stated a theory.

No, I did not.

So why bother with ideology?

I never bothered with one.

In ethical theory, a "value" is something that is desirable in itself.

Snore...

Constantin

[ogenoct]

alert: poster asking for personal identifying details!!

If you cannot see satire, I cannot help you. Your paranoia, though, is quite alarming. Should I call a (Jewish) doctor for you?

Constantin

[Ravenheart]

No, I did not.

I never bothered with one.

Snore...

Constantin


You're behaving like an asshole. You asked a question, I answered. If you do not wish to discuss the matter, fine. Don't put forth nonsense like you not having an ideology, though, since you clearly made several ideological statements in this thread, and have proven quite passionate about them.

[Aryan Imperium]

=Tchort]This is a flagerant, absurd, obvious lie.


No, it is a point of view. We are both entitled to express one and mine is no less legitimate than yours. By saying that my statement was a lie you have indicated that I have made a deliberate attempt to deceive. Do you have any evidence for this accusation?

Aggression that was provoked purposely by the Germans by demanding territory, and taking it when it was not given away- knowing full well what would happen given Poland's treaties with G.B. and France.


Territory that properly belonged to the Reich and necessary for the safety and security of the German Volk which incidentally was being brutally treated by the Poles until Germany interceded in September 1939.

Due to the insane racial cult of Nazi Germany, G.B., the US and every other Western nation gave up racist immigration and domestic policies to seperate themselves from Nazi racialism. Up until the end of WWII the US had a very strict racial-based immigration system in place, allowing only Northern Europeans into the country with preference (limited numbers of anyone else).


Are you sufficiently qualified to make a diagnosis of `insanity` on a concept or person. You revealed on here to having been a former National Socialist yourself. So do you admit to having undergone a temporary psychosis? Did you receive treatment for this?
The proper response for the USA and the UK would have been to enter in to either an alliance or at least an understanding with Germany-if they truly cared about racial hygiene.

If the Third Reich had completed its domestic, national revolution and allied itself with the USSR, the world would not be a democratic, capitalist rat-race of social degeneracy. The Third Reich is the reason why the West is not a racist, masculine group of societies anymore.


The Third Reich did `ally` itself temporarily with the USSR in 1939 with the invasion of Poland.[Strange how the UK and France did not declare war on the USSR, only Germany.]

This further illustrates your insanity and laughable perception of history and the world you live in.


I ask you again, in what way are you qualified to make a psychiatric diagnosis on someone,especially someone you have never met?

I stand for healthy ideals and values, and the collective uplifting of Western society through revolutionary means, I stand opposed to those who pervert and block any chance of significant social change (insane racists and petty nationalists).


`Healthy ideal and values`? Care to elaborate?
Again you make a psychiatric diagnosis without having established your qualifications to do so.

The legacy of Stalinism has done more for the survival of Aryan peoples than NS has (contrast the social and racial attitudes of the average Russian vs the average German today; contrast how they view their history, nation, and heritage).

Fortunately for them they have not undergone 61 years of conditioning by the Zionist Occupational Government.

[ogenoct]

I ask you again, in what way are you qualified to make a psychiatric diagnosis on someone,especially someone you have never met?

You should talk! In what way are you qualified to make a judgment on me which you did regardless, not knowing me at all? You were merely acting out your "angry Nazi" image. Cute. What a dumb Nazi hypocrite you are!

Fortunately for them they have not undergone 61 years of conditioning by the Zionist Occupational Government.

That is because the Soviets defeated the Nazi agressors and then withstood the propaganda and agressive assault of the West (which the Nazis, like you moron, supported).

Constantin

[Vindex]

While the Russians where not infected with jew capitalism, dispite Rothchilds backing of the communist revolution. They did fall from the inside to jewish bolshevikism which did seem to along the road morph into a brand of National socialism. China seems to have gone though the same process. Guess nature can't be turned away. The organic Nationalism in the old Nations lived though dispite the marxist ideology and graphed it's self over it. The christianity take over ended up going though the same filtering process. But both where and are still harmful. I do not term losing a war to be the mark of a inferior ideology. The Russians with help from the "evil capitalist West" where able to swarm the Axis in over ten to one odds in men and war machines even then the Axis still put up a heroic fight and won amazing victories against overwhelming odds. On two fronts.

If anything it was because the Nazi's where not ruthless enough to win as their opponets where to destory them.

[Tchort]

No, it is a point of view. We are both entitled to express one and mine is no less legitimate than yours. By saying that my statement was a lie you have indicated that I have made a deliberate attempt to deceive. Do you have any evidence for this accusation?

Claiming that Germany's role in WWII was a defensive one is just plain not true- Germany was an aggressor nation who invaded neutral countries as conquerers. There is no subjectivity relating to this fact of history.

Territory that properly belonged to the Reich and necessary for the safety and security of the German Volk which incidentally was being brutally treated by the Poles until Germany interceded in September 1939.

The only source for these claims is war-time Nazi propaganda aimed at riling up the public to support a war with Poland. Did the Poles start the conflict when they took over the German border point and radio station? (oh yea, the Germans staged this to make it look like the Poles were the aggressors). Who are you to deny the right of the Poles to exist on their own land. Are the Polish people inferior to the Germans? Do they not deserve to live on their ancestral homeland?

Are you sufficiently qualified to make a diagnosis of `insanity` on a concept or person. You revealed on here to having been a former National Socialist yourself. So do you admit to having undergone a temporary psychosis? Did you receive treatment for this?
The proper response for the USA and the UK would have been to enter in to either an alliance or at least an understanding with Germany-if they truly cared about racial hygiene.

I was temporarily deluded by teenage anger and Nazi propaganda; the treatment was growing up.

A hostile nation declares war on your nation: what would you do? Hitler declared war on the USA first, not the other way around. Was the US supposed to say 'no really, we want to be friends!!!'? Hitler provoked the British as well by invading Poland after Chamberlain had made concession after concession to the Germans. Racial hygiene has nothing to do with it: this is foreign policy, war. The US, as was noted by Hitler himself in his second book, was itself superior to Germany racially due to the 'upwardly mobile' Nordic stock that emigrated from Europe to the USA.


The Third Reich did `ally` itself temporarily with the USSR in 1939 with the invasion of Poland.[Strange how the UK and France did not declare war on the USSR, only Germany.]

The USSR invaded after the Germans; plus the USSR was not a threat to the West in 1939. You're right- and that pact should have come earlier, and should have not been broken by Hitler.


Fortunately for them they have not undergone 61 years of conditioning by the Zionist Occupational Government.

I thought that Bolshevism was Jewish???

I thought that the Jewish Bolshevik Communists were the worst of them all? Care to explain that?

Vindex

While the Russians where not infected with jew capitalism, dispite Rothchilds backing of the communist revolution. They did fall from the inside to jewish bolshevikism which did seem to along the road morph into a brand of National socialism. China seems to have gone though the same process. Guess nature can't be turned away. The organic Nationalism in the old Nations lived though dispite the marxist ideology and graphed it's self over it. The christianity take over ended up going though the same filtering process. But both where and are still harmful. I do not term losing a war to be the mark of a inferior ideology. The Russians with help from the "evil capitalist West" where able to swarm the Axis in over ten to one odds in men and war machines even then the Axis still put up a heroic fight and won amazing victories against overwhelming odds. On two fronts.

If anything it was because the Nazi's where not ruthless enough to win as their opponets where to destory them.
1) Bolshevism was not Jewish. Trotskyism is the 'Jewish Communism' that is being reffered to in Nazi/American propaganda. Stalinism, as noted by several members of the Third Reich establishment, was more or less a racial NS Russian state.
2)The traditionalist mentality and culture survived and thrived during the USSR-because of, not in spite of, Marxism/Bolshevism/Stalinism.
3)The Russians would have won the war if D-Day had not occured. The Winter of 1943 was the 'turning point'- the Red Army was going to march into Berlin regardless.
4)Not ruthless enough??? The Nazis were worse than the Soviets in terms of ruthlesness- neo-Nazis cry and whine over Soviet atrocities, and have the nerve to deny or apologize for what the Germans carried out. The war was lost from the beginning.

[Vindex]

Given that bolshevism was created by jews, mainly carried out by jews and funded by jews I'am inclined to disagree. You might as well tell me christianity was not jewish. As for Stalin dispite person opinion I feel he created the conditions for Russian to morph into more or less a NS state by his actions.

On point two, I disagree it was in spite, given the reality of nature it grafted itself over the organic traditions. I do not see how Stalin could have fought a war in a effective manner without ramping up Nationalist feeling.etc

On point three I was not talking about D-Day but the large amount of material and resources and intelligence the West gave to the Russians. To aid them.

On point four, yes not ruthless enough, it was easy to win the war in the East. What is the main threat from Russia? Russians, no more Russians no more problems. All Hitler had to do was simple, kill all the Russians by any means. He should have killed the whole British army at dunkirk alone. He did not do enough atrocities.

As for atrocities done by the Reds that is the price the Axis Nations paided for not being ruthless enough. No need for apologizes on any sides, war is a "amoral" area.




Vindex


1) Bolshevism was not Jewish. Trotskyism is the 'Jewish Communism' that is being reffered to in Nazi/American propaganda. Stalinism, as noted by several members of the Third Reich establishment, was more or less a racial NS Russian state.
2)The traditionalist mentality and culture survived and thrived during the USSR-because of, not in spite of, Marxism/Bolshevism/Stalinism.
3)The Russians would have won the war if D-Day had not occured. The Winter of 1943 was the 'turning point'- the Red Army was going to march into Berlin regardless.
4)Not ruthless enough??? The Nazis were worse than the Soviets in terms of ruthlesness- neo-Nazis cry and whine over Soviet atrocities, and have the nerve to deny or apologize for what the Germans carried out. The war was lost from the beginning.

[Aryan Imperium]

Tchort]Claiming that Germany's role in WWII was a defensive one is just plain not true- Germany was an aggressor nation who invaded neutral countries as conquerers. There is no subjectivity relating to this fact of history.

You are forgetting the sequence of events. Britain and France declared war on Germany. How therefore was the invasion of France or the bombing of England an `aggressive` act?


The only source for these claims is war-time Nazi propaganda aimed at riling up the public to support a war with Poland. Did the Poles start the conflict when they took over the German border point and radio station? (oh yea, the Germans staged this to make it look like the Poles were the aggressors). Who are you to deny the right of the Poles to exist on their own land. Are the Polish people inferior to the Germans? Do they not deserve to live on their ancestral homeland?




On their own land yes but not on German land. And neither does it justify the torture and murder of Volksdeutschen in the old German territories.
Did not Germans have a right to exist on their territorial lands?


I was temporarily deluded by teenage anger and Nazi propaganda; the treatment was growing up.


`Treatment`? How exquisitely jewish of you. So holding a minority political Weltanschauung is now regarded as a mental illness? I am still waiting to hear what you have put in its place?

A hostile nation declares war on your nation: what would you do? Hitler declared war on the USA first, not the other way around. Was the US supposed to say 'no really, we want to be friends!!!'?



In addition to providing arms and material to Britain the USA was also actively involved in the harrassment of German shipping in neutral waters, hardly a neutral act. The declaration of war was merely a putting of the existing hostilities on a more open and honest footing.


Hitler provoked the British as well by invading Poland after Chamberlain had made concession after concession to the Germans. Racial hygiene has nothing to do with it: this is foreign policy, war. The US, as was noted by Hitler himself in his second book, was itself superior to Germany racially due to the 'upwardly mobile' Nordic stock that emigrated from Europe to the USA.


I have not yet read `Das Zweite Buch` and can not comment on its content or authenticity. The only translation I have seen is by a jew and frankly this would make me suspicious of its accuracy.
Britain was foolish to go to war and lose its empire over a dispute with a handful of Poles. Very poor reasoning behind that decision. And the unnecessary continuation of the war by Churchill is no better than treason against Britain as it ruined the country, caused the loss of its empire to the jews[USA] and caused the beginning of the multiracial experiment in Europe.


The USSR invaded after the Germans; plus the USSR was not a threat to the West in 1939. You're right- and that pact should have come earlier, and should have not been broken by Hitler.


The fact that Britain did not also declare war on the USSR shows that their thinking was duplicitous. The USSR `not a threat to the `west`? Don`t be so ridiculous man! Even that arch half jewish traitor Churchill recognised his mistake when the `Iron Curtain` went down in Europe-he had fought the wrong side.

I thought that Bolshevism was Jewish???

Bolshevism, the ideology is jewish but jews did not have the same grip on the USSR as they had on the USA and to a lesser extent Europe.

[Captain Marinesko]

Bolshevism is not Jewish. Even if you see Marx as a Jew(he sure didn't see himself as such), it still draws a lot from the non-Jewish Engels, Marx did not found the movement, and his ideas were inspired from individuals such as John Locke, Hegel, and Adam Smith. Non-Jewish sources.

Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, NOT the other way around. Churchill was nothing but a hypocrite because there are plenty of records to show that Britain and France were conspiring to convince Germany to attack the USSR instead of laying claim to British or French possessions. The French even offered to attack the USSR over the invasion of Finland- Finland's refusal to deal with the Soviets was supported by the urging of Nazi Germany, Britain, and France.

[Captain Marinesko]

You are forgetting the sequence of events. Britain and France declared war on Germany. How therefore was the invasion of France or the bombing of England an `aggressive` act?

Is your watch broken? England and France declared war AFTER GERMANY declared war and invaded Poland.




On their own land yes but not on German land. And neither does it justify the torture and murder of Volksdeutschen in the old German territories.
Did not Germans have a right to exist on their territorial lands?

If there was so much hatred of Germans in some of those areas, why did they find so many willing collaborators in places like Poland or Czechia?




`Treatment`? How exquisitely jewish of you. So holding a minority political Weltanschauung is now regarded as a mental illness? I am still waiting to hear what you have put in its place?

Um, I think it's a mental illness when one forgets the basic order of historical events.

1. Germany invades Poland
2. France and Britain declare war on Germany

Of course I'm certainly not a medical professional here.



In addition to providing arms and material to Britain the USA was also actively involved in the harrassment of German shipping in neutral waters, hardly a neutral act. The declaration of war was merely a putting of the existing hostilities on a more open and honest footing.

All this happening AFTER Germany had invaded Poland, Norway, etc. Who was the aggressor again? Were the NORWEGIANS OPPRESSING VOLKSDEUTSCHE?




Britain was foolish to go to war and lose its empire over a dispute with a handful of Poles.

And Hitler was FAR more foolish to go to war over an even SMALLER handful of Poles in Danzig. By the way, what the HELL do you mean "handful of Poles"? HE CONQUERED POLAND- THAT'S WHERE THE POLES COME FROM!!!

If he invaded Chicago you'd have a point.


Very poor reasoning behind that decision. And the unnecessary continuation of the war by Churchill is no better than treason against Britain as it ruined the country, caused the loss of its empire to the jews[USA] and caused the beginning of the multiracial experiment in Europe.

Um no, HAVING an empire is what lost Britain's empire. See when you conquer people they tend to get pissed off and rebel. You can't hold on forever. Having those colonies also opened the doors to third-world immigration.


Bolshevism, the ideology is jewish but jews did not have the same grip on the USSR as they had on the USA and to a lesser extent Europe.

How the hell do you explain that?

[Captain Marinesko]

The Third Reich did `ally` itself temporarily with the USSR in 1939 with the invasion of Poland.[Strange how the UK and France did not declare war on the USSR, only Germany.]

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Not strange at all. The land annexed by the Soviet Union was Galicia and Western Belarus, both seized by the Treaty of Riga. The Poles invaded the Soviet Union during the Civil War as far as Kiev. They were finally driven back to Warsaw but managed to hang on to the capitol. Because of the weakness of the Soviet Union at the time, they were forced to sign the treaty of Riga which gave non-Polish territories to Poland. Part of this was also due to Galician nationalists' betrayal to give Galicia to Poland in hopes of preserving their petty power. Of course a few years later the UPA was formed and started an insurrection against the Poles, SOP for idiot West Ukraine nationalists.

If you look at the extent to which the Soviets "invaded" Poland in 1939, you will see that they stopped at the "Curzon Line", which was the original border of Poland established in 1918.


And THAT is why Germany is guilty of invading and conquering Poland- whereas the Soviets were simply taking over two colonies of an empire that was going to be conquered.

[Aryan Imperium]

[Captain Marinesko]Is your watch broken? England and France declared war AFTER GERMANY declared war and invaded Poland.



No my `watch is not broken` but your understanding of history most certainly is faulty and in need of repair.
Germany did not declare war on Britain and France. It sents its troops into `Poland` after the Polish government refused to see reason and Germany`s objective was to secure the safety of the large minority of Volksdeutschen within the eastern territories that were being abused,persecuted and killed by the Poles.



If there was so much hatred of Germans in some of those areas, why did they find so many willing collaborators in places like Poland or Czechia?



An egg doth not make an omlette.

Um, I think it's a mental illness when one forgets the basic order of historical events.

1. Germany invades Poland
2. France and Britain declare war on Germany

Of course I'm certainly not a medical professional here.



I did not dispute that order of events. Perhaps your comprehension is at fault?

All this happening AFTER Germany had invaded Poland, Norway, etc. Who was the aggressor again? Were the NORWEGIANS OPPRESSING VOLKSDEUTSCHE?


It is a matter of historical record that Britain was going to invade Norway in order to secure its plentiful resources for military use. Germany would have had to be insane not to pre-empt this by invading first. It had no other interest in Norway.


And Hitler was FAR more foolish to go to war over an even SMALLER handful of Poles in Danzig. By the way, what the HELL do you mean "handful of Poles"? HE CONQUERED POLAND- THAT'S WHERE THE POLES COME FROM!!!


The Poles` failure to enter in to meaningful negotiations with Germany regarding the Danzig Corridor, the return of ancient German lands and the Volksdeutschen brought about Poland`s destruction. The occupation of Poland was useful also for defence against invading Soviet armies.


Um no, HAVING an empire is what lost Britain's empire. See when you conquer people they tend to get pissed off and rebel. You can't hold on forever. Having those colonies also opened the doors to third-world immigration.

Again, your understanding of basic historical events is faulty. Have you not heard of Lease-Lend which resulted in the UK surrendering colonies to the USA in exchange for rusting ships? This precipitated the fall-much of the empire apart from India was surrendered to the USA. India saw her opportunity to leave the empire when Britain was at her weakest after 1945.


How the hell do you explain that?

It`s quite straight forward really. The USSR was not dependent on jewish money or the international jewish economic system. When Hitler proposed to take Germany out the jewish system the whole of world jewry declared war on him. The more territories that Hitler annexed to the Reich the more impotent the jewish money lenders in Europe became. The greater therefore the threat to jewish economic hegemony.

[Aryan Imperium]

Not strange at all. The land annexed by the Soviet Union was Galicia and Western Belarus, both seized by the Treaty of Riga. The Poles invaded the Soviet Union during the Civil War as far as Kiev. They were finally driven back to Warsaw but managed to hang on to the capitol. Because of the weakness of the Soviet Union at the time, they were forced to sign the treaty of Riga which gave non-Polish territories to Poland. Part of this was also due to Galician nationalists' betrayal to give Galicia to Poland in hopes of preserving their petty power. Of course a few years later the UPA was formed and started an insurrection against the Poles, SOP for idiot West Ukraine nationalists.

If you look at the extent to which the Soviets "invaded" Poland in 1939, you will see that they stopped at the "Curzon Line", which was the original border of Poland established in 1918.


And THAT is why Germany is guilty of invading and conquering Poland- whereas the Soviets were simply taking over two colonies of an empire that was going to be conquered.

I see so it is permissable and indeed laudable for the Soviets to invade Poland and recover her lost territories but not permissable or laudable for Germany to do the same?
Posen, Eastern Pomerania, parts of western Prussia, Upper Silesia etc, etc.
You are guilty of the hypocracy of applying double standards but why should that surprise me about a bolshevic?

[Vindex]

Nope it as jewish as christianity even christianity stole from non-jewish sources but it as marxism still went thought the jew filters thus becomes restructed though the jewish looking glass.

Bolshevism is not Jewish. Even if you see Marx as a Jew(he sure didn't see himself as such), it still draws a lot from the non-Jewish Engels, Marx did not found the movement, and his ideas were inspired from individuals such as John Locke, Hegel, and Adam Smith. Non-Jewish sources.

[Captain Marinesko]

No my `watch is not broken` but your understanding of history most certainly is faulty and in need of repair.
Germany did not declare war on Britain and France. It sents its troops into `Poland` after the Polish government refused to see reason and Germany`s objective was to secure the safety of the large minority of Volksdeutschen within the eastern territories that were being abused,persecuted and killed by the Poles.

"My" understanding of history is supported by the overwhelming majority of scholars worldwide, yours is supported by weasely little organizations like National Vanguard or IHR. No "repair" needed here.

So tell me, what is "Poland"- do you now deny the existence of that state, or do you believe it was actually another state? And where's the proof of all this widespread persecution of Germans there? Isolated incidents can be found but you think with all that persecution we would have seen some proof.



I did not dispute that order of events. Perhaps your comprehension is at fault?

No, what you have done is cite a historical fact in a weasely manner. OF course Britain and France declared war first- but Germany started the war. That's the part you're leaving out.



It is a matter of historical record that Britain was going to invade Norway in order to secure its plentiful resources for military use. Germany would have had to be insane not to pre-empt this by invading first. It had no other interest in Norway.

Really? Then why did the Norwegian army, before Quisling betrayed the country, fight against the Germans when they landed and not against the British?




The Poles` failure to enter in to meaningful negotiations with Germany regarding the Danzig Corridor, the return of ancient German lands and the Volksdeutschen brought about Poland`s destruction. The occupation of Poland was useful also for defence against invading Soviet armies.

Absolute nonsense. It was nothing but German nationalist conquest. You could blame the British for provoking the Beck government into rejecting the German proposals, but before that Poland and Germany got on rather well.




Again, your understanding of basic historical events is faulty. Have you not heard of Lease-Lend which resulted in the UK surrendering colonies to the USA in exchange for rusting ships? This precipitated the fall-much of the empire apart from India was surrendered to the USA. India saw her opportunity to leave the empire when Britain was at her weakest after 1945.

It's called Lend-Lease, and Britain began to lose its colonies primarily because wars are expensive and the world was coming out of a depression at the time.




It`s quite straight forward really. The USSR was not dependent on jewish money or the international jewish economic system. When Hitler proposed to take Germany out the jewish system the whole of world jewry declared war on him. The more territories that Hitler annexed to the Reich the more impotent the jewish money lenders in Europe became. The greater therefore the threat to jewish economic hegemony.

Where's the war declaration of "world Jewry"?

[Captain Marinesko]

I see so it is permissable and indeed laudable for the Soviets to invade Poland and recover her lost territories but not permissable or laudable for Germany to do the same?
Posen, Eastern Pomerania, parts of western Prussia, Upper Silesia etc, etc.
You are guilty of the hypocracy of applying double standards but why should that surprise me about a bolshevic?


The territories of Galicia and Belarus were not Polish. In the German territories, there had been far more mixing between local populations. Plus it's disputable how "German" some of these areas really were. In addition to this, Germany seized the Wartheland, kicking the Poles there out- this was not "German" land.

[Captain Marinesko]

Nope it as jewish as christianity even christianity stole from non-jewish sources but it as marxism still went thought the jew filters thus becomes restructed though the jewish looking glass.


Ok hot shot- please explain what is "Jewish" about Marxism then.

[Daniel Shays]

The Russians with help from the "evil capitalist West" where able to swarm the Axis in over ten to one odds in men and war machines even then the Axis still put up a heroic fight and won amazing victories against overwhelming odds. On two fronts.
Hitler had dreamt of allying with those anglo-jewish capitalists for decades. They fell into Stalin's lap quite unexpectedly - I'd argue Hitler pushed them; vaudeville style anti-Semitism was a flop in countries where far from being discreetly purged/tortured/deported/shot, ethnocentric Jews enjoyed great positions of power.

[Vindex]

Itz been done already by many.:deadhorse:

Ok hot shot- please explain what is "Jewish" about Marxism then.

[Vindex]

Yes because Hitler needed peace with them. Who funded the communist revolution in the East? Rothchilds? Given reality ideology deal with what is practical based on the moment.

Hitler had dreamt of allying with those anglo-jewish capitalists for decades. They fell into Stalin's lap quite unexpectedly - I'd argue Hitler pushed them; vaudeville style anti-Semitism was a flop in countries where far from being discreetly purged/tortured/deported/shot, ethnocentric Jews enjoyed great positions of power.

[Daniel Shays]

Who funded the communist revolution in the East? Rothchilds? Given reality ideology must always bend to what is practical based on the moment. Perhaps your last sentence explains why the very non-Jewish Kaiser Wilhelm helped fund the revolution. Strange that there is never much chatter of a "teuto-bolshevik" conspiracy, save for conversations about National Bolshevism.

[Vindex]

He was not my Kaiser, he was just a fool(I suspect with a superority complex too.) But I have always thought different parties helped because of different agenda's. The Kaiser and his ilk most likey because the reds promised a truce and end to the war in the East with a generous treaty in Germany's favour. Which was put into reality. Rothchild should also be very obvious about the why.

Perhaps your last sentence explains why the very non-Jewish Kaiser Wilhelm helped fund the revolution. Strange that there is never much chatter of a "teuto-bolshevik" conspiracy, save for conversations about National Bolshevism.

[Captain Marinesko]

Itz been done already by many.:deadhorse:


No, actually it hasn't. The closest they ever come is distorted claims about the number of Jews allegedly in Communist parties' leadership- considering Communism's spread in countries without Jews, and the often omitted facts about how many Jews were in the groups opposed to the Bolsheviks, that doesn't pan out.

I ask "how is Bolshevism 'Jewish'" I want an explanation. Bolsheviks eat pork, they don't celebrate passover, etc. I want to know what makes it "Jewish".

[Captain Marinesko]

He was not my Kaiser, he was just a fool(I suspect with a superority complex too.) But I have always thought different parties helped because of different agenda's. The Kaiser and his ilk most likey because the reds promised a truce and end to the war in the East with a generous treaty in Germany's favour. Which was put into reality. Rothchild should also be very obvious about the why.


I see, so we can just ignore the fact that there was plenty of help coming from non-Jewish sources for the Bolsheviks because William wasn't YOUR Kaiser?

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]"My" understanding of history is supported by the overwhelming majority of scholars worldwide, yours is supported by weasely little organizations like National Vanguard or IHR. No "repair" needed here.


I am going to deal with each of these points in seperate posts as each point requires a detailed reply.
How do you know where I obtain my historical source material from? Your statement is not only patronising and condescending but smacks of a closed mind and a reliance upon `official` kosher state/jew sponsored `historians` who have all had the kosher seal of approval-a necessary prerequisite to getting anything published these days.
You seem to be oblivious to the role that `history`plays in the indoctrination of young minds, a role that takes place in all societies, whether they be bolshevic or `liberal-democratic`.
The free thinking man is able to read and study material and make his own mind up, something which no doubt you are alien to and probably unsettles you.
I have no links with National Vanguard and rarely visit the IHR website, probably no more than you do. Your statement that I do is typically of the tactics of bolshevics who demonise their enemy by first presenting a lie as a given truth.

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]
So tell me, what is "Poland"- do you now deny the existence of that state, or do you believe it was actually another state? And where's the proof of all this widespread persecution of Germans there? Isolated incidents can be found but you think with all that persecution we would have seen some proof.



I do not deny that prior to 1945 it briefly existed as a state but that is immaterial.
Throughout Poland`s history it has always been used as a buffer zone between the many wars of Slav against Teuton. Its` very geography makes that both inevitable and desireable.
However that is in the past, something which you appear to be firmly rooted in. Try living in the reality of 2006, the reality of racial extermination by mass immigration and race-mixing! That is what concerns me not reliving the events of WWII which is both futile and counterproductive but nevertheless meets your objective of creating and sustaining division amongst brother Aryans.
As far as evidence of persecution of ethnic Germans is concerned here is a link which provides such evidence.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organised_persecution_of_ethnic_Germans
In the Sudetenland and Poland, German-speaking communities had to face a hostile environment after formerly German or Austro-Hungarian territories were returned Czechoslovakia or Poland as a result of the Treaty of Versailles.

In some cases, the German populations were persecuted for having ties, whether real or imagined, with German nationalist regimes such as those of the Nazis or Kaiser Wilhelm. This was the case in the World War I era persecution of Germans in the United States, and also in Eastern and Central Europe following the end of World War II. While many victims of these persecutions did not, in fact, have any connection to those regimes, cooperation between German minority organisations and Nazi regime did occur, as the example of Selbstschutz shows, which is still used as a pretense of hostilities against those who did not take part in such organisations.

After World War II, many such Volksdeutsche were killed or driven from their homes in acts of vengeance, others in ethnic cleansing of territories prior to populating them with citizens of the annexing country. In other cases (e.g. in the case of the formerly large German-speaking populations of Russia, Estonia, or the Transylvanian (Siebenbürgen) German minority in Rumania and the Balkans) such persecution was a crime committed against innocent communities who had played no part in the Third Reich.

The debate sometimes encompasses the persecution of citizens of German descent in countries such as the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, and Australia during the 1914-1918 and World War II.







This is of course a seperate matter to the historical fact of the persecution,forceable and inhumane expulsion, ethnic cleansing and murder of ethnic Germans in the eastern territories in the days after the end of WWII.


http://experts.about.com/e/e/ex/Expulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II.htm
The actual population transfer included 2-3.5 million from Poland, 2-3 million from Czechoslovakia, around 2 million from the Soviet Union, 400,000 from Hungary, 300,000 from Romania, and another 1 million from other Eastern European regions.
Vertreibung_2.jpg

Property in the affected territory that belonged to Germany and Germans was confiscated. The legality of that act was based on the state of war between those countries and the German state, whose citizens were affected. In addition, devastations caused by Germany during the war by far exceeded the value of confiscated property.

The Potsdam Agreement called for equal distribution of the transferred Germans between American, English, French and Soviet occupation zones in Germany. In actuality, twice as many expelled Germans found refuge in the occupation zones that later formed "West Germany" than in "East Germany", and large numbers went to other countries of the world, many to the United States.

Such an act today would be termed `genocide`,`racist` and `evil` but if it is done to an Aryan, especially a German it is ignored or legitimised.

That millions perished cannot be denied.

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP7.HTM

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]"
No, what you have done is cite a historical fact in a weasely manner. OF course Britain and France declared war first- but Germany started the war. That's the part you're leaving out.


By your definition then we could lay the blame upon Poland for `starting` the war due to their refusal to enter in to meaningful negotiations with Germany on the issues of the Danzig Corridor, the return of legitimate and historical German territories stolen from Germany after the unjust Versailles Diktat and the persecution of ethnic Germans minorities.
Indeed one could also argue a case for Britain starting the war on the basis that no responsible state would risk losing its empire, its possessions, its wealth and the best of its youth over a conflict that does not directly concern them.
No political statesmen unless insane or traitorous would risk all that unless the power of their own state were to be extended. This is why wars are fought and the only reason.
Francis Parker Yockey makes the point:

"The English officials of 1939 were politically stupid in the second sense that they completely failed to identify the larger power-currents and likewise totally lacked statesmanlike feeling for the Definition of the Enemy: The Enemy is the state that one can defeat and thereby gain more power..
Ths military victory over an opponent whose defeat proves so costly that one must take in the bargain a greater loss of power elsewhere must be called political defeat."
[The Enemy of Europe]

Hitler did not bargain upon Britain`s stupidity and therefore did not on the balance of probabilities feel that a war would take place and even after it did did not presume that it would continue beyond the so called `Winter War` of late 1939 and early 1940.

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]

It's called Lend-Lease, and Britain began to lose its colonies primarily because wars are expensive and the world was coming out of a depression at the time.



Which supports the point made in my previous post that Britain`s leaders had to be criminally insane or treasonous to engage in and maintain such a costly war to destroy an enemy when their own destruction as a world power was inevitable.
Yet Churchill is regarded as a `hero`. I view him as a traitor.

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]
Where's the war declaration of "world Jewry"?


Do you need to be spoon fed like this all the time?
On the election of the NSDAP to government in early 1933 the international jewish owned press, especially in America were calling for reprisals, boycotts and even war against Germany.
I will try and find you a link to some actual headlines. I did have the material bookmarked on my old hard drive which is since lost.

[Captain Marinesko]

I am going to deal with each of these points in seperate posts as each point requires a detailed reply.

You could have done that in one post easily.


How do you know where I obtain my historical source material from?

How do I know? Because I used to espouse that same bullshit myself once- albeit to a FAR more rational extent. This worldview is put out by a minority of organizations and groups who have clearly established agendas.


Your statement is not only patronising and condescending but smacks of a closed mind and a reliance upon `official` kosher state/jew sponsored `historians` who have all had the kosher seal of approval-a necessary prerequisite to getting anything published these days.

Do they need the "kosher seal of approval" in countries like China, Jordan, Russia, Serbia, etc.?

There are for the most part two general possibilities here:

1. There is a massive worldwide conspiracy to suppress any material that suggests Hitler didn't start WWII.

2. People that publish such material are mocked because they continue to debate well-established historical facts based on semantic reasoning.

I wonder which it is.


You seem to be oblivious to the role that `history`plays in the indoctrination of young minds, a role that takes place in all societies, whether they be bolshevic or `liberal-democratic`.


Just because history is part of indoctrination doesn't mean inconvenient facts can be swept aside as propaganda.


The free thinking man is able to read and study material and make his own mind up, something which no doubt you are alien to and probably unsettles you.

Nothing could be further from the truth. I have over several years, studied both sides of the argument- in fact I argued YOUR side for several years.


I have no links with National Vanguard and rarely visit the IHR website, probably no more than you do. Your statement that I do is typically of the tactics of bolshevics who demonise their enemy by first presenting a lie as a given truth.

I wasn't born yesterday- I recognize revisionist BS when I see it.

[Aryan Imperium]

You could have done that in one post easily.



How do I know? Because I used to espouse that same bullshit myself once- albeit to a FAR more rational extent. This worldview is put out by a minority of organizations and groups who have clearly established agendas.



Do they need the "kosher seal of approval" in countries like China, Jordan, Russia, Serbia, etc.?

There are for the most part two general possibilities here:

1. There is a massive worldwide conspiracy to suppress any material that suggests Hitler didn't start WWII.

2. People that publish such material are mocked because they continue to debate well-established historical facts based on semantic reasoning.

I wonder which it is.




Just because history is part of indoctrination doesn't mean inconvenient facts can be swept aside as propaganda.



Nothing could be further from the truth. I have over several years, studied both sides of the argument- in fact I argued YOUR side for several years.



I wasn't born yesterday- I recognize revisionist BS when I see it.


From your above statements I take it that you have now turned your back on protecting your race[I presume rightly or wrongly that you are an Aryan] and are now being a loyal servant of the zionists?
I have a word for people who turn their backs on their race and the movement. In fact perhaps you never were on our side but this is part of your propaganda? A racist who has seen the light? Oh praize da lawd!
If revisionist history can be so easily countered from the `facts` and `reasoned` debate why is any open discussion on the historicity or the extent of the `holocaust` illegal and punishable by lengthy prison sentences in many countries in Europe? Why did Austria incarcerate a 67 year old foreigner for a view that he articulated 17 years previously?

[Captain Marinesko]

I do not deny that prior to 1945 it briefly existed as a state but that is immaterial.

Uh, it's existed as a state off and on since 966.


Throughout Poland`s history it has always been used as a buffer zone between the many wars of Slav against Teuton. Its` very geography makes that both inevitable and desireable.

This is one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read. You admit that Poles and Germans had been living together for centuries, then you claim it was a "buffer zone"? Did you forget that Poles are Slavs?


However that is in the past, something which you appear to be firmly rooted in.

Excuse me but you're the one talking about who should have had what land and who was where first(and even that is in dispute anyway).


Try living in the reality of 2006, the reality of racial extermination by mass immigration and race-mixing! That is what concerns me not reliving the events of WWII which is both futile and counterproductive but nevertheless meets your objective of creating and sustaining division amongst brother Aryans.

Bullshit- I hear that stuff from the movement all the time, inside and out. If that were the case, we would NEVER see any Nazi symbols, we would NEVER see any Holocaust revisionism, we would NEVER see any "Hitler was a nice guy" articles because any movement so rooted in the present would realize the total worthlessness of all those subjects.


As far as evidence of persecution of ethnic Germans is concerned here is a link which provides such evidence.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organised_persecution_of_ethnic_Germans

Great, wikipedia.



This is of course a seperate matter to the historical fact of the persecution,forceable and inhumane expulsion, ethnic cleansing and murder of ethnic Germans in the eastern territories in the days after the end of WWII.

Take a guess WHY that happened. Go ahead.




Such an act today would be termed `genocide`,`racist` and `evil` but if it is done to an Aryan, especially a German it is ignored or legitimised.

It is not necessarily "legitimized" but somewhat mitigated when the Third Reich brought this fate upon its people. You pretend you are fighting some great double standard when you have your own- that you care nothing of the millions of Slavs that died because of Hitler.

And you say you live in 2006.


That millions perished cannot be denied.

Well by your standards that would depend on which "millions" we are talking about.

[Captain Marinesko]

By your definition then we could lay the blame upon Poland for `starting` the war due to their refusal to enter in to meaningful negotiations with Germany on the issues of the Danzig Corridor, the return of legitimate and historical German territories stolen from Germany after the unjust Versailles Diktat and the persecution of ethnic Germans minorities.


No my definition of "starting war" is declaring war on a country and then invading it, just like everyone else in the English-speaking world. You pull the semantics out by saying "meaningful" negotiations, allowing you to ignore all the negotiations that did take place.


Indeed one could also argue a case for Britain starting the war on the basis that no responsible state would risk losing its empire, its possessions, its wealth and the best of its youth over a conflict that does not directly concern them.

Nope, the guy who declares war first and invades someone is the guy who "started it". Hands down.


No political statesmen unless insane or traitorous would risk all that unless the power of their own state were to be extended. This is why wars are fought and the only reason.

Did it ever occur to you that humans are incapable of predicting events several decades into the future, and that ideas that seem good one year can turn out to be disasterous two years on?


Francis Parker Yockey makes the point:

I really don't give a shit about what Francis Parker Yockey said. 2006, remember?

[Captain Marinesko]

Do you need to be spoon fed like this all the time?
On the election of the NSDAP to government in early 1933 the international jewish owned press, especially in America were calling for reprisals, boycotts and even war against Germany.
I will try and find you a link to some actual headlines. I did have the material bookmarked on my old hard drive which is since lost.

Gee, I wonder where you will go to find that ONE headline, which does not in any way constitute a "declaration of war". Calling for boycotts and war does not equal going to war.

[Aryan Imperium]

This is one of the most idiotic statements I have ever read. You admit that Poles and Germans had been living together for centuries, then you claim it was a "buffer zone"? Did you forget that Poles are Slavs?



Let me be more specific. `poland` acted as a buffer zone between Germania and the invading Slavs and mongols from further east.
Are you denying that Slavs and mongols were a problem to Germania?


Bullshit- I hear that stuff from the movement all the time, inside and out. If that were the case, we would NEVER see any Nazi symbols, we would NEVER see any Holocaust revisionism, we would NEVER see any "Hitler was a nice guy" articles because any movement so rooted in the present would realize the total worthlessness of all those subjects.


Tell my why you do not see revisionism in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France and many other countries in western Europe? Tell me why the swastika is banned in those countries?

Take a guess WHY that happened. Go ahead.


I don`t know, why don`t you `enlighten` me?



It is not necessarily "legitimized" but somewhat mitigated when the Third Reich brought this fate upon its people. You pretend you are fighting some great double standard when you have your own- that you care nothing of the millions of Slavs that died because of Hitler.

`Millions of Slavs died` also because of Stalin and bolshevism. Why don`t we talk about that?



Well by your standards that would depend on which "millions" we are talking about.


Certainly not the fake millions of jews in the `holohaux`!

I have just read your profile. Has anyone told you that communism is incompatable with a racialist Weltanschauung? You sound like a very confused youth indeed. But then again `teachers` are the foremost indoctrinators of the young and innocent, adepts in the art of the lie.

[Captain Marinesko]

From your above statements I take it that you have now turned your back on protecting your race[I presume rightly or wrongly that you are an Aryan] and are now being a loyal servant of the zionists?

I have not turned my back on anyone.


I have a word for people who turn their backs on their race and the movement. In fact perhaps you never were on our side but this is part of your propaganda?

I left because of paranoid cultists such as yourself. When I said it was about love, not hate, I MEANT it.



A racist who has seen the light? Oh praize da lawd!

I'll tell you which light I saw. I saw millions of Europeans suffering in Eastern Europe today- where I now live. I looked back on the movement and saw mostly middle-aged men, many of them former Cold-Warriors, who prefer to sit around in circle-jerks talking about Odin, Hitler, and how everything will be solved after we "name" enough Jews.

The line of reasoning found in the WN movement, NS, and Fascism, has had virtually 100 years to produce something worthwhile for Europeans, it has done nothing of the sort in that time.

Ergo I'm not going to support it.


If revisionist history can be so easily countered from the `facts` and `reasoned` debate why is any open discussion on the historicity or the extent of the `holocaust` illegal and punishable by lengthy prison sentences in many countries in Europe?

Take that up with the governments of those countries.


Why did Austria incarcerate a 67 year old foreigner for a view that he articulated 17 years previously?

Why does Poland lock people up for questioning claims of Communist atrocities? Bet you never even heard of that did you?

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]
Nope, the guy who declares war first and invades someone is the guy who "started it". Hands down.



Then we are in agreement: France and Britain started WWII.

[Captain Marinesko]

Tell my why you do not see revisionism in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, France and many other countries in western Europe? Tell me why the swastika is banned in those countries?

Because Nazis and Fascists were responsible for the deaths of those nationalities, ranging from hundreds of thousands in the case of France, to millions in the case of Germany. Ergo people tend not to like that ideology.

I'm against that kind of ban too, but it's all irrelevant.

Czech Republic tried to ban Communist symbols in addition to Nazi ones, and recently they shut down the legal Communist Union of Youth(KSM). Where's your outrage over that? KSM was more active and organized than and WN organization in America.



`Millions of Slavs died` also because of Stalin and bolshevism. Why don`t we talk about that?

Wrong. They died because someone decided that Ukraine and European Russia should belong to Germans as opposed to Slavs, and then subsequently invaded and murdered millions of people. There is plenty of German documentation of these atrocities.



Certainly not the fake millions of jews in the `holohaux`!

What about the 7 million Russian Slavs alone?


I have just read your profile. Has anyone told you that communism is incompatable with a racialist Weltanschauung?

Has anyone told you where you can insert your Weltanschauung? I speak ENGLISH, Russian, and Serbo-Croatian. Write "WORLDVIEW" next time.

When we look at the facts we see that Bolshevism has done far more to preserve European cultures and blood than Fascism, NS, or WN.



You sound like a very confused youth indeed. But then again `teachers` are the foremost indoctrinators of the young and innocent, adepts in the art of the lie.


Trying the old "Look here Kid" approach? Sorry pal, it won't work.

[Captain Marinesko]

Then we are in agreement: France and Britain started WWII.


Hi, have you heard of this country called POLAND?

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]
Do they need the "kosher seal of approval" in countries like China, Jordan, Russia, Serbia, etc.?


You quote China?????????
Since when have people been free to publish what they want in China for goodness sake?
I live in the `western world` and in the western world people are not free to publish books that challenge the official doctrine of either the holohaux or multiracialism.
If you want to do that you have to publish your own work and have one eye over your shoulder in case the political police will pounce. That is the reality of the `democratic` west.
In many western European countries there are laws that have been concocted called race laws that prevent any meaningful challenge to the system or the received official version of history. Not that different to the USSR!

[Aryan Imperium]

Hi, have you heard of this country called POLAND?

Poland brought the invasion upon itself which incidentally was a joint effort between Germany and that `freedom` loving nation, the USSR!

[Captain Marinesko]

You quote China?????????
Since when have people been free to publish what they want in China for goodness sake?

Is China a ZOG?


I live in the `western world` and in the western world people are not free to publish books that challenge the official doctrine of either the holohaux or multiracialism.

Bullshit, it if it was forbidden that would have meant that at least 1/4 of my personal library didn't exist.


If you want to do that you have to publish your own work and have one eye over your shoulder in case the political police will pounce. That is the reality of the `democratic` west.

What department of the US government is the political police.



In many western European countries there are laws that have been concocted called race acts that prevent any meaningful challenge to the system or the received official version of history. Not that different to the USSR!

Gee thanks for the newsflash. I don't see you outraged regarding the SAME laws leveled at Communist movements.

[Captain Marinesko]

Poland brought the invasion upon itself which incidentally was a joint effort between Germany and that `freedom` loving nation, the USSR!

No, it didn't quite happen that way. The Soviet Union had a non-aggression pact with Poland and tried to work out a deal that would allow the USSR to use Polish land to counter a possible German attack on Czechoslovakia. Of course it turned out that Czechoslovakia was sold out by the British and the French, who were attempting to appease Hitler and drive him against the Soviet Union.


Twist and turn all you like- Germany started the war, plain and simple.

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]I have not turned my back on anyone.


You need to get your stories straight. Either you are a relapsed National Socialist/Revisionist etc or your are bullshitting. So which is it?

I left because of paranoid cultists such as yourself. When I said it was about love, not hate, I MEANT it.


`Love` of what precisely? I don`t see so much of this `love` in your posts. Do you hug trees as well and eat yoghurt?


I'll tell you which light I saw. I saw millions of Europeans suffering in Eastern Europe today- where I now live. I looked back on the movement and saw mostly middle-aged men, many of them former Cold-Warriors, who prefer to sit around in circle-jerks talking about Odin, Hitler, and how everything will be solved after we "name" enough Jews.


I do hope that they realise that they have a back-stabber in their midst. What did you do, turn them in?

The line of reasoning found in the WN movement, NS, and Fascism, has had virtually 100 years to produce something worthwhile for Europeans, it has done nothing of the sort in that time.

Ergo I'm not going to support it.




We had something `worthwhile`. It was called the Third Reich until it was destroyed by a coalition of worthless jews,bolshevics and self-hating `whites`.

Take that up with the governments of those countries.


No I am `taking that up with` you. You are the one that suggested that revisionism was an open and allowed practice. I am asking you why people are being persecuted and imprisoned for expressing their views?

[Aryan Imperium]

No, it didn't quite happen that way. The Soviet Union had a non-aggression pact with Poland and tried to work out a deal that would allow the USSR to use Polish land to counter a possible German attack on Czechoslovakia. Of course it turned out that Czechoslovakia was sold out by the British and the French, who were attempting to appease Hitler and drive him against the Soviet Union.


Twist and turn all you like- Germany started the war, plain and simple.

Absolute cock! The USSR invade Poland from the east in collusion with Germany but as a typical bolshevist you have to put your own marxist `spin` on historical events.
Spin is another word for a lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_September_Campaign
he "Polish September Campaign" or "Polish-German War of 1939"), was carried out by Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union and a small German-allied Slovak contingent which precipitated the onset of World War II.

[Captain Marinesko]

You need to get your stories straight. Either you are a relapsed National Socialist/Revisionist etc or your are bullshitting. So which is it?

You are using a logical fallacy here, assuming that your "worldview" is the only thing beneficial to Europeans. In fact we see the exact opposite, it has absolutely no impact on European society.



`love` of what precisely? I don`t see so much of this `love` in your posts. Do you hug trees as well and eat yoghurt?

Race genius. How can you say the same when you applaud the invasion and destruction of millions of Europeans?




I do hope that they realise that they have a back-stabber in their midst. What did you do, turn them in?

Nobody has stabbed anybody in the back. I care about my people, and they just happen to care more about Hitler, Thor, Pierce, and other assorted wastes of time.

What the hell could any of these people be "turned in" for? "Wasting time talking about Odin" is not illegal in the states.


We had something `worthwhile`. It was called the Third Reich until it was destroyed by a coalition of worthless jews,bloshevics and self-hating `whites`.

Absolute bullshit. The Third Reich started the war, the Third Reich invaded numerous European nations, and the Third Reich is directly responsible for the deaths of over 20 million Russian Slavs alone. Indirectly far more.

These are indisputable facts, proven not only by allied estimates but by German documentation as well.



No I am `taking that up with` you. You are the one that suggested that revisionism was an open and allowed practice. I am asking you why people are being persecuted and imprisoned for expressing their views?

Excuse me but I never said anything of the sort. I was talking about why revisionism is not taken seriously. Again, I ask you where is your outrage at the suppression of Communist freedom of speech?

[ogenoct]

I live in the `western world` and in the western world people are not free to publish books that challenge the official doctrine of either the holohaux or multiracialism.
If you want to do that you have to publish your own work and have one eye over your shoulder in case the political police will pounce. That is the reality of the `democratic` west.

I think it is cute when Nazis complain that their freedom of speech is curtailed. It is not like the Third Reich was a liberal paradise where dissension was tolerated, and anybody could happily criticize the Fuehrer in public. Also, books were not burned in Nazi Germany. Jewish scientists and professors were not purged. In Nazi Germany, there existed political pluralism. Communists were free to spread their propaganda. The Gestapo did not work at all. Its agents just lounged around and smoked cigarettes all day. There were no political prisoners in the concentration camps, only rapists and pedophiles. Why should there have been political prisoners in Nazi Germany? After all, there was complete freedom of speech in Nazi Germany. If it is was up to freaks like Aryan Imperium, there would even be less freedom of speech in Europe than there is now.

Constantin

[Captain Marinesko]

Absolute cock! The USSR invade Poland from the east in collusion with Germany but as a typical bolshevist you have to put your own marxist `spin` on historical events.
Spin is another word for a lie.

You are getting your time mixed up again. The USSR ORIGINALLY tried to make a pact with Poland and the western allies regarding this issue. They did secure the non-aggression pact with Poland at the time. When it became clear whose side France and Britain were on, Stalin realized the only way to buy time and space was to deal with Germany. Knowing that Germany was planning to invade Poland- they moved in to seize Polands colonial possessions of Galicia and Western Belarus. These areas were never majority Polish and there was already an insurgency against the Poles in Galicia(which the Germans utilized).

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]Because Nazis and Fascists were responsible for the deaths of those nationalities, ranging from hundreds of thousands in the case of France, to millions in the case of Germany. Ergo people tend not to like that ideology.

And bolshevism is not responsible for any massacres? Stalin`s hands were clean?
He murdered more of his own people than the Germans ever did.
Here`s some figures for you teach:-


http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE4.HTM

Among the first studies undertaken was that of Soviet genocide and mass murder. This was a very difficult task, for while widely different estimates were available on such Soviet institutions as the labor camp, such polices as collectivization or the Red Terror, or such events as the deportation of Poles in 1939-1941, few experts had tried to systematically accumulate and total them over Soviet history. To my knowledge, there are only two major works in English attempting to tally the toll in some systematic manner.6 Robert Conquest gives a carefully accumulated total for the Stalin years (at least 20,000,000 killed)7; and in his samizdat translated into English, Dyadkin, a Soviet geophysicist, did a demographic analysis of excess Soviet deaths, 1926 to 1954, and concluded that Soviet repression killed 23,100,000 to 32,000,000 Soviet citizens over this 29-year period.8

Scattered here and there in one book or another are estimates of the number murdered. For example, Panin claims that 57,000,000 to 69,500,000 were killed, and says that estimates of authors in the West vary from 45,000,000 to 80,000,000 9; Solzhenitsyn mentions a 66,000,000 figure calculated by an ŽmigrŽ professor of statistics 10; and Stewart-Smith gives an estimate of 31,000,000 killed in repression 11. Like Dyadkin's, some estimates have been based on demographic analyses, as Medvedev's 22,000,000 to 23,000,000 total (1918-1953), or Dyadkin's aforementioned figures.12


The plain fact is that bolshevism has claimed more lives than fascism/National Socialism. That`s one hell of a record that you have set. You must be proud?

[Captain Marinesko]

Damn. I could argue National Socialism ten times better than our friend here back in the day. I guess the quality of modern WNs has dropped another notch since I moved.

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]



Has anyone told you where you can insert your Weltanschauung? I speak ENGLISH, Russian, and Serbo-Croatian. Write "WORLDVIEW" next time.

When we look at the facts we see that Bolshevism has done far more to preserve European cultures and blood than Fascism, NS, or WN.




I see that you are a word fascist in addition to your many other `attributes`.
I will use whatever terminology I see fit. The fact that you do not understand German is your problem and your deficiency. I see no reason why I should make allowances for you.I thought that you were a teacher?
Bolshevism has `preserved European cultures and blood`? Is that why you have murdered your opponents, Russians included in the millions?
That is not exactly an effective means of racial conservation.

[Captain Marinesko]

And bolshevism is not responsible for any massacres? Stalin`s hands were clean?

Never said that.


He murdered more of his own people than the Germans ever did.
Here`s some figures for you teach:-

Wrong.



The plain fact is that bolshevism has claimed more lives than fascism/National Socialism. That`s one hell of a record that you have set. You must be proud?

Wrong. The fact that you can't even see the problem in measuring excess of death between 1926 and 1954 speaks volumes of you research capabilities. Can you think of something that happened between those two periods that caused about...20 million or more deaths? Guess what it is.

Solzhenitsyn's estimates have been proven entirely false; though it is hard to determine why they ever needed to be since he basically just pulled numbers out of his ass.

Demographics as well as recently released archival evidence has greatly reduced many of the claims against the Stalin era, destroying the old "telephone numbers" that were thrown about in the past.

As a realist, deaths were expected. Do you think that the revolution that is needed today can be pulled out without massive bloodshed? Do you think the kind of revolution YOU'D like to see could be pulled off that way?

Once again we see yet another "National Socialist" run to the sources of his "Zionist establishment" every time he wants to prove how nasty Bolshevism is.

[Aryan Imperium]

Damn. I could argue National Socialism ten times better than our friend here back in the day. I guess the quality of modern WNs has dropped another notch since I moved.

I never said that I was a `white nationalist`. Perhaps you do not understand the difference.
You were neither a white nationalist nor a National Socialist just as you do not live in the `Russian Federation`. Give my regards to the ADL hymie.

[Captain Marinesko]

I will use whatever terminology I see fit.

No you like to put German words in their because you are a Third Reich worshipper.


The fact that you do not understand German is your problem and your deficiency.

Do not think that I'm going to believe you understand German just because you can put the word "Weltanschaaung" into a sentence. Did you forget that the Murphy translation of Mein Kampf purposely didn't translate the word?

And be a dear and explain how me not speaking German is a "deficiency". I speak a lot more languages than you.


I see no reason why I should make allowances for you.I thought that you were a teacher?

Because your attempts to be "more German" by using that is just hilarious and embarassing to you, particularly if you aren't actually German.


Bolshevism has `preserved European cultures and blood`? Is that why you have murdered your opponents, Russians included in the millions?
That is not exactly an effective means of racial conservation.


Check the statistics that everyone agrees on: Bolshevism industrialized some of Europe's most backward nations, doubled the life spans of the populations, eliminated illiteracy, and also preserved the homogenous make-up of the societies. Why do you think every racialist is kissing Russian, Polish, and Eastern European ass today?

[Aryan Imperium]

=Captain Marinesko]
Race genius. How can you say the same when you applaud the invasion and destruction of millions of Europeans?


The only `murder of millions of Europeans` that I can see is the genocide of our race that is being carried out by the bolshevic multiculturalist with their flooding out of Europe with sub-human filth in an effort to destroy our race.
It is no coincidence that a significant number of ministers in the current Labour government in the UK are former hard line communists, the deputy prime minister and the home secretary being the most prominent ones.

[Captain Marinesko]

I never said that I was a `white nationalist`. Perhaps you do not understand the difference.
You were neither a white nationalist nor a National Socialist just as you do not live in the `Russian Federation`. Give my regards to the ADL hymie.

Actually I was indeed a National Socialist who was more educated on the subject than you- because I would never make some of the idiotic arguments you have posted on here.

I understand a lot better than you. Once again you demonstrate the paranoid mental illness that the movement has long since been infected with. Everyone who disagrees with you is either a Jew or a Jew specifically working for groups like the ADL or possibly even Mossad.

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

[Captain Marinesko]

The only `murder of millions of Europeans` that I can see is the genocide of our race that is being carried out by the bolshevic multiculturalist with their flooding out of Europe with sub-human filth in an effort to destroy our race.
It is no coincidence that a significant number of ministers in the current Labour government in the UK are former hard line communists, the deputy prime minister and the home secretary being the most prominent ones.

Opening the door to third-world immigration was the fault of capitalism, which demanded more cheap labor. Globalization is a product of capitalism, not Bolshevism. Groups like the Labour party do not represent Marxism-Leninism but rather social-democratic reformism, which is responsible for some of the ideology you don't like.

[Captain Marinesko]

Well looks like AI cracked pretty fast, forced to result to the old "Ur a Joo!" line in record speed! I LOVE how online, and ONLY online, these folks seem to think that everyone who disagrees with their worldview must be Jewish. You NEVER see it happen in person(when the other person is obviously white), and you won't see it happen between two racialists argue in person either.

But online these folks suddenly pretend that the only people that disagree with them are Jewish. That's one of the hundreds of reasons why they never accomplish anything, and they never will.

So if you care about your race- stay the hell away from WN/NS/ etc. It's a waste of time.

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]No you like to put German words in their because you are a Third Reich worshipper.



On the contrary I use German words because I am partly of German extraction and understand German. Your educational deficiencies as a Russian peasant are not my concern.

And be a dear and explain how me not speaking German is a "deficiency". I speak a lot more languages than you.


You not me drew attention to your feelings of inadequacy.
You do not know this and you do not know me. As an aside I have qualifications in five different languages, that is not counting my studies of Anglo-Saxon.
However your arrogance makes you presume that anyone supporting a National Socialist Weltanschauung must be an intellectual pygmy.
How arrogant you `teachers` are. No wonder you are first to disappear with every revolution. Your `profession` is beneath contempt.
`Those who can`t teach!`

Because your attempts to be "more German" by using that is just hilarious and embarassing to you, particularly if you aren't actually German.


Perhaps then you would care to explain just exactly how my mother became an SS wife and my grandfather was awarded the Iron Cross in WWI?

[Aryan Imperium]

Actually I was indeed a National Socialist who was more educated on the subject than you- because I would never make some of the idiotic arguments you have posted on here.

I understand a lot better than you. Once again you demonstrate the paranoid mental illness that the movement has long since been infected with. Everyone who disagrees with you is either a Jew or a Jew specifically working for groups like the ADL or possibly even Mossad.

And you wonder why nobody takes you seriously.

Tell me exactly how you are qualified to deliver a diagnosis of `mental illness` especially on someone you have never met, thousands of miles away?
In fact are you qualified to do anything at all apart from promoting bolshevism on the Internet? The fact that someone can turn from being a `know it all` National Socialist to a `know it all` bolshevic in a few years is more suggestive of psychiatric instability than anything you have said about me. You are certainly not someone that can be trusted to be loyal to an ideology or any person for very long.
Only a coward would make the kind of insulting remarks that you have made knowing that they are safely esconced behind a computer screen thousands of miles away in Tel Aviv.
You lack any concept of honour.

[Captain Marinesko]

On the contrary I use German words because I am partly of German extraction and understand German. Your educational deficiencies as a Russian peasant are not my concern.

They don't really have "peasants" in Russia anymore because of something called the Bolshevik revolution. Of course you are of "German extraction" but you are about as German as Yao Ming in the eyes of real Germans. I am also born and raised in the US, and though I am of Ukrainian extraction I don't run around introducing myself as "Ukrainian" because that is not the way Europeans see Americans.

BONUS QUESTION:

If you think that I didn't understand Weltanschaaung, WHY THE HELL do you think I would have asked you to write "worldview", seeing that this is the closest approximation of the meaning? Was sagen sie mein Herr?



You not me drew attention to your feelings of inadequacy.

As stated before, I know more languages than you, I can state that with confidence. Furthermore, it's ENTIRELY possible that I may understand more German than you. Why should I assume you actually speak German just because you used a word that any NS wannabe would have learned when he picks up his first Murphy translation. Basically that would be like me claiming to know German after writing PanzerAbwehrKanone.


You do not know this and you do not know me. As an aside I have qualifications in five different languages, that is not counting my studies of Anglo-Saxon.

Ok sure. And I have black belts in seven martial arts and I once got a certificate for killing a bear with my bear hands.


However your arrogance makes you presume that anyone supporting a National Socialist Weltanschauung must be an intellectual pygmy.

Remember that your "intellectual qualifications" are basically backed up simply by what you SAID on this forum. Just like how you assume that a Bolshevik couldn't wrestle a bear with his bear hands. I said I did it so I must have done it.

I don't think you are an intellectual pygmy just because you support an NS worldview, I think you are a pygmy because you make idiotic arguments that fly in the face of basic history and you really suck at advancing those arguments in favor of NS.


How arrogant you `teachers` are. No wonder you are first to disappear with every revolution. Your `profession` is beneath contempt.
`Those who can`t teach!

This teacher wrestled a BEAR!! A F#%KING BEAR!!



Perhaps then you would care to explain just exactly how my mother became an SS wife and my grandfather was awarded the Iron Cross in WWI?

Um... maybe because you're just making that up? I'm not insisting that- I'm just saying stop making claims about your "qualifications" here because there is no way to verify them. No more than we can verify the award I got for killing that bear with my hands*.




*For the sarcasm impaired, the stuff about martial arts and the bear is just an analogy.

[Captain Marinesko]

Tell me exactly how you are qualified to deliver a diagnosis of `mental illness` especially on someone you have never met, thousands of miles away?

Fine, I'm not qualified. However, it's pretty damn telling when you seem to display some kind of need to believe that anyone who challenges your precious Weltanschaaung must be Jewish- as though they are the only people in history opposed to that.


In fact are you qualified to do anything at all apart from promoting bolshevism on the Internet?

Specifically? Well I still have a valid Nuclear Radiation Safety cert, and of course I have TEFL certification. In addition to those I can also promote Bolshevism over the internet. Oh, I am also qualified to promote it in cafes as well, but I need another years worth of experience to get the certification that will let me promote it in concert halls and kitchens.



The fact that someone can turn from being a `know it all` National Socialist to a `know it all` bolshevic in a few years is more suggestive of psychiatric instability than anything you have said about me. You are certainly not someone that can be trusted to be loyal to an ideology or any person for very long.

For a cultist like you this view is no surprise.




Only a coward would make the kind of insulting remarks that you have made knowing that they are safely esconced behind a computer screen thousands of miles away in Tel Aviv.
You lack any concept of honour.

There it goes again- you just can't help it can you? I guess only Jews would ever say anything mean over the internet. Well here's something even worse:

You suck at promoting National Socialism. Go be a Libertarian or something.


BTW: The Third Reich still started WWII.

[Aryan Imperium]

Captain Marinesko]They don't really have "peasants" in Russia anymore because of something called the Bolshevik revolution. Of course you are of "German extraction" but you are about as German as Yao Ming in the eyes of real Germans. I am also born and raised in the US, and though I am of Ukrainian extraction I don't run around introducing myself as "Ukrainian" because that is not the way Europeans see Americans.

`Peasant` in English has various shades of meaning. Someone who has a reasonable command of the language would understand that.
Another bogus European who has probably never set foot in Europe but claims to be living in the `Russian Federation`.
I by contrast am of German and English extraction and have lived in Europe all of my life. You in comparison are little more than a colonialist playing at being a `European revolutionary`. Is this what you do on a weekend?
You would not know a revolution if it bit you on the arse. I hope that you do find yourself in a real revolution one day because as a teacher you would be one of the very first to be eliminated.



BONUS QUESTION:

If you think that I didn't understand Weltanschaaung, WHY THE HELL do you think I would have asked you to write "worldview", seeing that this is the closest approximation of the meaning? Was sagen sie mein Herr?.


Perhaps because you had to look it up or maybe you do not credit your fellow posters with having the knowledge to understand the term. Either way you have demonstrated great arrogance in attempting to dictate to me what terminology I should use. It is none of your business. You are not at school now `teacher`.
Still waiting to hear what you actually teach beyond sarcasm? Domestic Science maybe or perhaps Physical Education?


As stated before, I know more languages than you, I can state that with confidence. Furthermore, it's ENTIRELY possible that I may understand more German than you. Why should I assume you actually speak German just because you used a word that any NS wannabe would have learned when he picks up his first Murphy translation. Basically that would be like me claiming to know German after writing PanzerAbwehrKanone.




No you don`t know more languages than me and you are not in a position to know this. Again your arrogance has got the better of you. You allow your feelings of low self-esteem to get in the way of your logic. You are over-compensating by adopting a superiority complex and bullying other people who do not share your views.
Inside I would wager that you are rather an anxious little man that constantly looks over his shoulder in the darkness of his room.
As far as German is concerned not only am I of German extraction but possess a university level diploma in German-English translation.
However I realise that you are not going to accept anything that I am going to say: your low self-esteem forbids it.
I pity the children that you teach, having to suffer your unbearable pomposity 5 days a week. For this reason alone those of us who are parents should not suffer our children to be indoctrinated by over-compensating bolshevic fools such as you. As they say `those who can`t teach`.

Ok sure. And I have black belts in seven martial arts and I once got a certificate for killing a bear with my bear hands.


You may know one or two languages but whether you have mastered them is a seperate and debatable issue!
Whether you have a black belt in seven martial arts or your knowledge of languages is more comprehensive than mine or not is neither here nor there.
What matters is that the points are debated. You are singularly incapable of entering in to reasoned and calm rational debate.[We should not expect such a thing from bolshevics].
It is you and not I that brought up the subject of `I know more languages than you`. I merely contradicted you and said that you could not possibly know this. Yet you interpret this defense as boasting. Clearly it is impossible attempting to reason with soeone with your psychological problems.


Remember that your "intellectual qualifications" are basically backed up simply by what you SAID on this forum. Just like how you assume that a Bolshevik couldn't wrestle a bear with his bear hands. I said I did it so I must have done it.

That is true, no one can know for sure but you not I said that you knew more.
It is you that started this circular argument, drawing attention away from the real issues, a tactic that you tend to employ a lot of when faced with facts and questions that you can`t answer or address.

I don't think you are an intellectual pygmy just because you support an NS worldview, I think you are a pygmy because you make idiotic arguments that fly in the face of basic history and you really suck at advancing those arguments in favor of NS.

`Basic history`. A `history`written by the victors and not subject to debate.

As it is impossible to enter in to any meaningful and rational dialogue with a poster that has such obvious problems with his self-esteem I intend to place you along with your little pet bolshevic poodle Ocgenot on `ignore`.
You are patently not worth the effort.
Strange how your friend is another one living in Russia who isn`t Russian. Or perhaps just another one of your multiple IDs?

[Tchort]

This is a warning: Aryan Imperium, and baiting A_I, is only going to further derail this thread. For the time being I will not 'moderate', but if it turns into a flame-only thread I will.

Carry on :)

[Captain Marinesko]

Oh you want a "rational debate" now? I'm sorry I got confused because you went off on a tangent calling me a race traitor, and later you couldn't decide if I am a "Russian peasant", some kid living in Tel Aviv, or an American "colonist" who doesn't live in Russia.

Well let's see, where were we in our "rational" debate. Feel free to offer corrections if any of these positions aren't actually yours. I will not be accused of strawmaning here.

You claimed: Britain and France started WWII. You were wrong because actually Germany startred WWII when it invaded Poland.

You claimed that Poland started that because they wouldn't have "meaningful" negotiations on the Danzig. This is also incorrect because this does not constitute starting a war- and by using the qualifier "meaningful" you can simply pigeonhole the negotiations that were happening.

You claimed that "world Jewry" declared war on Nazi Germany. No such war declaration exists.


So that's the score so far.


`Basic history`. A `history`written by the victors and not subject to debate.

This is the proof that you have no intention of "rational discussion" or debate. You throw in this qualifier so that you can challenge any facts as being "written by the victors". ANY history "written by the victors" is subject to debate, as long as you have the facts to back it up. Plenty of facts have been uncovered that have changed the mainstream history of WWII all the time. They have proof in some form that makes those changes accurate.


Strange how your friend is another one living in Russia who isn`t Russian. Or perhaps just another one of your multiple IDs?

It's amazing how you are able to determine peoples' ethnic identities over standard TCP/IP. I must have missed that issue of Wired.

So are we going to get back to that "debate" you want so badly or are you going to keep accusing me of being several conflicting identities, calling me a traitor, and claiming that huge parts of the historical record are invalid because they are unkind to Hitler?

[Ravenheart]

You claimed that "world Jewry" declared war on Nazi Germany. No such war declaration exists.

Excerpt from the Daily Express of 1933:



JUDEA DECLARES WAR ON GERMANY
Jews Of All The World Unite In Action

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BOYCOTT OF GERMAN GOODS

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MASS DEMONSTRATIONS IN MANY DISTRICTS

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DRAMATIC ACTION
"Daily Express" Special Political Correspondent
Daily Express

Friday, March 24, 1933

ALL Israel is uniting in wrath against the Nazi onslaught on the Jews in
Germany.

Adolf Hitler, swept into power by an appeal to elemental patriotism, is
making history of a kind he least expected. Thinking to unite only the
German nation to race consciousness he has roused the entire Jewish people
to a national renaissance.

The appearance of the swastika symbol of a new Germany has called forth the
Lion of Judah, the old battle symbol of Jewish defiance.

Fourteen million Jews dispersed through the world have banded together as
one man to declare war on the German persecutors of their co-religionists.
Sectional differences and antagonisms have been submerged in one common
aim -- to stand by the 600,000 Jews of Germany who are terrorized by
Hitlerist anti-semitism, and to compel Fascist Germany to end its campaign
of violence and suppression directed against its Jewish minority.

World Jewry has made up its mind not to rest quiescent in face of the arrive
of medieval Jew-baiting.

Germany may be called up to pay a heavy price for Hitler's antagonism to
the Jews. She is faced with an international boycott in commerce, finance,
and ministry. She may find herself in spiritual and cultural isolation,
recoiling before the burning crusade that Jews of all lands are launching in
defence of their _____ brethren.

The Jewish merchant prince is leaving his counting-house, the banker his
board-room, the shopkeeper his store, and the pedlar his humble barrow to
join together in what has become a holy war to combat the Hitlerite enemies
of the Jew.

I'll see if I can find an actual scan.

[Captain Marinesko]

Don't bother, I've already seen it. That still doesn't constitute a war or a declaration of war. Plenty of nations including the United States continued to do business with Nazi Germany despite the opposition taken by Jews. Hell, even many JEWS- both inside and outside of Germany, did business with the Reich, and even during the war some were protected.

[Tchort]

Note: A newspaper article from an obscure British paper does not constitute a reliable or serious source. It is simply a story about Jews who demand the Germans be boycotted: much of that movement originated in the US, especially New York- where the German-American Bund was agitating visibly, hence the Jewish backlash. A lot of this was a specifically American affair between Jews and Bundists, thats all.

Also, I thought psychology was a Jewish science, A_I, so why are you pressing for 'Jewish credentials' from anyone who considers you nuts?

[Captain Marinesko]

I guess he didn't really want that "rational debate". Damn.

[Ravenheart]

Don't bother, I've already seen it. That still doesn't constitute a war or a declaration of war.

The Jews didn't have an army of their own let alone a real state, so there was no war in the conventional sense, nor a declaration of such. That much should be obvious.

[Captain Marinesko]

The Jews didn't have an army of their own let alone a real state, so there was no war in the conventional sense, nor a declaration of such. That much should be obvious.


Right, but that being said- that newspaper headline cannot constitute "Jews Declaring War" on Germany. Of course there were Jews IN Germany that supported or worked for the Nazi government in varying capacities. Some crucial, rich Jewish businessmen had special protection right up to the end of the war.

[Daniel Shays]

The Jewish economic 'war' on Germany was very real and it merited a response from Germans - that came in the form of boycott of Jewish stores. The Jews even held a few massive rallies in MSG. I posted photos of it a few times at different forums, they are like proto-AIPAC gatherings.
Some crucial, rich Jewish businessmen had special protection right up to the end of the war.
Jewish men with German wives were also given special treatment. Goebbels tried to deport them but the wives protested outside the police station on Rosenstrasse. Goebbels backed down.

OOpz don't tell that to our Aryan Cyber-Feldherr. :hitler:

[eggheadbanga]

If the Jews declared war on Nazi Germany, why weren't they given POW status?

:confused:

[Ravenheart]

If the Jews declared war on Nazi Germany, why weren't they given POW status?

:confused:

The Jews didn't have an army of their own let alone a real state, so there was no war in the conventional sense, nor a declaration of such. That much should be obvious.

That, and the Geneva convention wasn't until 1949.

[eggheadbanga]

That, and the Geneva convention wasn't until 1949.

The Tokyo rules, however, had been agreed upon and was due for a diplomatic convention in 1940. Mighty convenient timing to go to war in 1939, eh?

The Germans threw back virtually every enquiry from the ICRC in the Red Cross's face and eventually said they weren't going to discuss the whereabouts of non-Aryans. In 1941. Somewhat suspicious timing, one would think, if they had nothing to hide.

[Ravenheart]

The Tokyo rules, however, had been agreed upon and was due for a diplomatic convention in 1940. Mighty convenient timing to go to war in 1939, eh?

I doubt that has anything to do with the outbreak of the war.

The Germans threw back virtually every enquiry from the ICRC in the Red Cross's face and eventually said they weren't going to discuss the whereabouts of non-Aryans. In 1941. Somewhat suspicious timing, one would think, if they had nothing to hide.

About as suspicious as Iraqi reluctance to have inspectors turn their country upside down. There weren't any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and these non-Aryans you refer to weren't POWs.

[eggheadbanga]

I doubt that has anything to do with the outbreak of the war.

Of course not, but it's still remarkably convenient that scant months before a convention might well have been agreed which would have protected the rights of civilian internees in wartime, a war breaks out.

About as suspicious as Iraqi reluctance to have inspectors turn their country upside down. There weren't any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and these non-Aryans you refer to weren't POWs.

On the contrary, the fact that enquiries about non-Aryan (i.e. Jewish) prisoners were to be ignored by the DRK speaks volumes.

Anyway, I agree with the point you made to begin with:

The Jews didn't have an army of their own let alone a real state, so there was no war in the conventional sense, nor a declaration of such. That much should be obvious.

I just find it funny that so many 'revisionists' want to have their cake and eat it, too, when it comes to their favourite subject.

[Ravenheart]

I just find it funny that so many 'revisionists' want to have their cake and eat it, too, when it comes to their favourite subject.

I'm not sure I consider myself a revisionist, though. I don't know enough about the Holocaust to form a solid opinion on the matter, though I admit I am somewhat skeptical of the official story. In any case, it is preposterous that people are being imprisoned because of their historical writings. What really happened in the camps is of less concern to me than freedom of historical investigation.

[eggheadbanga]

I'm not sure I consider myself a revisionist, though. I don't know enough about the Holocaust to form a solid opinion on the matter, though I admit I am somewhat skeptical of the official story.

we were arguing what-ifs anyhow, so don't think I was assuming you were a revisionist.

In any case, it is preposterous that people are being imprisoned because of their historical writings. What really happened in the camps is of less concern to me than freedom of historical investigation.

Yes, it's preposterous such people are jailed. As it stands, the only argument revisionism has left going for it is that it is illegal in 11 countries (but not in the US, fancy that).

[Captain Marinesko]

I hate to inform you Milhouse, but you are still not a "meme".

[Sudaev]

Capt. Marinesko, when did you evolve out of NS? You seem to be taking a more hardline Marxist attitude these days.

[PAXRAHOWA]

I composed this "diatribe" and posted it. Russians are not mongols, you moron!


Constantin
But you are ,Serbian/Turk swine!
ZA DOM SPREMNI!

[Captain Marinesko]

Capt. Marinesko, when did you evolve out of NS? You seem to be taking a more hardline Marxist attitude these days.


I think it hit me pretty hard when I finally moved to Europe and started to learn more about the reality of the situation facing us. NS and WN types never seem to want to understand that. They want to live in a fantasy-land of eugenics, conspiracy theories, paganism, and other dreamy nonsense rather than facing the situation head-on. Take women-trafficking for example. NS and WN types like to pretend it's just Jews involved in this- when in fact it's FAR more widespread than WN's want to admit, and you'd have to be born yesterday to think that many WN's aren't willing participants in that disgusting practice.

Only Marxism has the solution to that, as it proved once before. Only Marxism preserved the cultural and ethnic heritage of Eastern Europe.

[kultron]

I think it hit me pretty hard when I finally moved to Europe and started to learn more about the reality of the situation facing us. NS and WN types never seem to want to understand that. They want to live in a fantasy-land of eugenics, conspiracy theories, paganism, and other dreamy nonsense rather than facing the situation head-on. Take women-trafficking for example. NS and WN types like to pretend it's just Jews involved in this- when in fact it's FAR more widespread than WN's want to admit, and you'd have to be born yesterday to think that many WN's aren't willing participants in that disgusting practice.

That seems like an awfully poor reason for switching political beliefs so errantly. Basically you're saying to me "I disagree with the current popular trends in one movement, so I will move to another". It seems you dug yourself in at VNN to only see one side of modern racial thinking, only observing the populist ideals.


Only Marxism has the solution to that, as it proved once before. Only Marxism preserved the cultural and ethnic heritage of Eastern Europe.

Right. Why don't we ask the people of the Baltic countries if they'd agree with that statement, or perhaps maybe those in the Ukraine.

[Captain Marinesko]

That seems like an awfully poor reason for switching political beliefs so errantly. Basically you're saying to me "I disagree with the current popular trends in one movement, so I will move to another". It seems you dug yourself in at VNN to only see one side of modern racial thinking, only observing the populist ideals.


Trust me pal, I've been "dug into" the movement before there WAS a VNN. WN and NS are unrealistic, incoherent, failures of ideology. This is because they are based on distortions and contradictions.

[eggheadbanga]

I hate to inform you Milhouse, but you are still not a "meme".

what, you mean the Simpsons username thing? I am the anti-meme. No one will follow this trend as long as I am part of it. :D

[Sudaev]

Only Marxism preserved the cultural and ethnic heritage of Eastern Europe.

I realize you're in Europe but how would Marxism work in the US? We're between a rock and a hard place because we're not a racially homogenous society.

[Daniel Shays]

I realize you're in Europe but how would Marxism work in the US? We're between a rock and a hard place because we're not a racially homogenous society.
It's important to remember that Russia was never a racially homogeneous society either. It encompassed everything from Finland to modern Turkmenistan - Lenin and Stalin (as a People's Commissar) actually [I]forced Finland to declare independence from Russia AND Stalin created Turkmenistan by uniting the seven Turkmen tribes.

The answer to your question is the proletarian ethno-state.

US Communists Pioneered the Solution to America's Race Problem (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11436)

Right. Why don't we ask the people of the Baltic countries if they'd agree with that statement, or perhaps maybe those in the Ukraine.
Those countries wouldn't even exist if it hadn't been for the generosity of the Soviet Union. Before the revolution they were simply part of Russia, in fact Stalin argued early on that Ukraine should remain as such but it didn't happen because Lenin argued that Ukraine would be less likely to rebel from Russian authority if they had the right to - in other words if they formed a voluntary union.

[Furcht]

Captain you claim NS and WN are failures of Ideology. Wouldn't Marxism, and the Soviet Union also be considered failures as well?

[Captain Marinesko]

Captain you claim NS and WN are failures of Ideology. Wouldn't Marxism, and the Soviet Union also be considered failures as well?

No, for the following reasons:

1. Marx, Engels, nor Lenin, never said that a revolution couldn't be reversed.

2. The reaction of capitalism was as Marx and Lenin predicted, especially after the restoration of capitalism. Talking heads of the west like to talk about the new "freedom" in Russia but they forget that the establishment of the capitalist criminal regime was done via violent force and laws. The Communists had to fight to hang onto their rights. They still have to fight, as I saw with my own eyes on the 7th.

3. The restoration of capitalism was due to very blatant and egregious reversals of Marxist-Leninist ideology pioneered by Khruschev and continued by Brezhnev. By 1989 it for all intents and purposes was a capitalist country-they just needed to seal the deal. This class of exploiters grew up because of the ideology Khruschev espoused, telling the people that such a class could not develop, and that the revolutionary struggle was over.

[Sudaev]

This is very enlightening (regarding Iron Lazar's response). I've also joined the SP forum although I have a long way to go before being able to wrap my mind around much of this.

Where I live the local communist org is pro-multicult. They physically attack people who demonstrate against illegal immigration. I'm having trouble squaring what Iron Lazar pointed out versus the multi-cult attitude of the communists here in CA.

[Captain Marinesko]

This is very enlightening (regarding Iron Lazar's response). I've also joined the SP forum although I have a long way to go before being able to wrap my mind around much of this.

Where I live the local communist org is pro-multicult. They physically attack people who demonstrate against illegal immigration. I'm having trouble squaring what Iron Lazar pointed out versus the multi-cult attitude of the communists here in CA.


Some of those types aren't really Communists and don't know anything about it. Those that do exist, like the CPUSA, sold-out long ago and embraced populist reformist ideology. They are worthless. You should join the proletariat yahoo group.

[MrAngry]

Shame on the race-traitor scum who composed this diatribe and he who posted it!
The Waffen SS was the only force that kept back the mongol hordes from invading Europe. Within its ranks were the very best and fittest of the Aryan race, fighting a noble cause to save Europe from the mongolian hordes of jewish bolshevism.

The fact that the mongol hordes did invade Europe must have escaped you.


The next time you scum complain about the brown hordes that are invading your lands and fucking your slut women remember that if Hitler had not been opposed by the race-traitor nations of the USA and Britain Europa today would not be under threat of invasion and genocide of the Aryan race.

[Aryan Imperium]

The fact that the mongol hordes did invade Europe must have escaped you.

On the contrary, I am referring to the Third Reich[1933-1945] not the 13th century. You seem to be a little confused on your history time-lines.

[MrAngry]

On the contrary, I am referring to the Third Reich[1933-1945] not the 13th century. You seem to be a little confused on your history time-lines.

I am confused, the Red army were in Berlin in 1945?

[Ravenheart]

I am confused, the Red army were in Berlin in 1945?

It sure was.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Reichstag_flag.jpg

[Aryan Imperium]

I composed this "diatribe" and posted it. Russians are not mongols, you moron!


Constantin

Try reading what I say without putting words in my mouth you fool.
A significant number of Red Army soldiers that slaughtered and raped the population of Berlin were slit-eyed mongols. That is a statement of historical fact but no doubt this does not accord with your new found love of all things bolshevist and jewish.

[Aryan Imperium]

Not its not like hailing Ghenghis Khan, the Mongols severely weakened the Muslim threat to the west... no such benefit accrued from the Reichs tenure.

You are severly lacking in a perspective of historical time lines. During the period of the Third Reich[1933-1945] there wasn`t a "Muslim threat"!:rolleyes:

[Captain Marinesko]

A significant number of Red Army soldiers that slaughtered and raped the population of Berlin were slit-eyed mongols. That is a statement of historical fact but no doubt this does not accord with your new found love of all things bolshevist and jewish.

Prove it moron. I can quote at least one souce(Anthony Beevor's Berlin) which relates a German witness' testimony that 'Mongoloid' troops were actually more friendly.

Actually studies cited in Geoffry Roberts Victory at Stalingrad found that the majority of rapists hailed from areas that had been under Axis control(can't blame them). This means Belarus, Ukraine, and European, Slavic Russia- in case you hadn't heard.

[Mark Janssens]

I enjoy every one of your articles Constantin :)

Until people stop worshipping NS and believing Adolf Hitler was the Hero of the Second World War, we cannot move forward. Forward, not backward into the future. There is a difference.

The Waffen-SS were political soldiers, a good example of what the Heer would have looked like if Roehm had been given authority to replace it with the SA. High losses, high morale, downright fanaticism- even in the face of 90% casualty rates.

Send the best of our boys off to die in machine gun thunderstorms in the Ostland, brilliant. NS was a failed experiment, a proto-Fascist attempt, not the first and not the last. Nazi racialism, Hitler worshipping, regressionist politics and strategy, all of this hinders any attempt to move forward with a Fascist agenda. Most of these American 'NS' today are more loyal to historical Germany than they are their own communities, let alone their own nation and its people.

You have obviously never read any book written by Belgian Fascist Leon Degrelle or Francis Parker Yockey. By the middle of the war the Waffen-SS had ideologically advanced beyond Hitler's limited German nationalist world view to form a unified Europe of their own vision.

[Mark Janssens]

The fact that the mongol hordes did invade Europe must have escaped you.

With "a little" help from Britain and America, wouldn't you say? :bbbat:

[Mark Janssens]

Constantin von Hoffmeister is Pro Israel. :eurotard:

[Mark Janssens]

Nazi Germany did not attack the mongols living in the Soviet Union. It attacked the Soviet Union itself whose majority population consists of Aryan Russians. What about the atrocities committed by the Wehrmacht and the SS against fellow Whites in Russia? Operation Barbarossa was an anti-European "crusade" and anybody who praises it is a traitor to Europe.

Constantin

Stalin was two weeks away from invading Europe when Hitler beat him to the punch. :)