The best bodybuilder ever

[VAMPIR]

Who is the best of all times? Why do you think he is?

[Thomas777]

Dorian Yates. His combination of mass, conditioning, and aesthetics constituted the total package. He also trained like a man possessed...insane intensity. Mike Mentzer deserves mention as well.

Andreas Munzer and Mike Francois could have been the greatest ever...Munzer didn't even look human.

[VAMPIR]

Sergio Oliva
http://www.onewaysystem.com/images/olimpiak_albuma/sergio_oliva.gif

Arnold Swarzenegger
http://drivemeinsane.com/submitpics/1082336868arnold%2520schwarzeneger.jpg

Lee Haney
http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/lee1/haney05.jpg

Dorian Yates
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/9/94/175px-Dorianyates.jpg

Ronnie Coleman
http://web.bvu.edu/students/machkev/ronnie%20Coleman.bmp

[VAMPIR]

Arnold. He rised this sport on the level today it is. Perfect body.

[Thomas777]

Andreas Munzer:
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/3457/munzer2ug2.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=munzer2ug2.jpg)

Most underrated competitor ever. Inhuman conditioning.

[Thomas777]

Arnold. He rised this sport on the level today it is. Perfect body.

Arnold lacked symmetry and his leg development sucked. Mentzer > Arnold, IMO.

[VAMPIR]

Andreas Munzer:
http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/3457/munzer2ug2.th.jpg (http://img290.imageshack.us/my.php?image=munzer2ug2.jpg)

Most underrated competitor ever. Inhuman conditioning.
Yeah. You're right that he's underrated, but better than Arnie??? Come on...
And Jay Cutler is underrated, too. Never to find good shape. Good balance between definition and mass...Always second... too bad
http://www.athlete.ru/fotos/profi/jay_cutler/036.jpg

[Hippias]

Rich Gaspari. His physique exhibited a nice combination of mass and definition. Shawn Ray displayed a similar physique in the 90's.

Gary Strydom and Bertil Fox were the most massive bodybuilders.

[VAMPIR]

Rich Gaspari. His physique exhibited a nice combination of mass and definition. Shawn Ray displayed a similar physique in the 90's.
Hmmm.... OK. Respect. You're brave.
Gary Strydom and Bertil Fox were the most massive bodybuilders. Nope!:) Have you ever heard of Victor Richards? He WAS. Today, Ronnie and Jay are more massive.

http://www.trim.no/images/artikkel/standard/Victor_Richards16.jpg

http://es.fitness.com/forum/galeria/albums/userpics/10009/VICTOR%20RICHARDS1.jpg

...and Bertil Fox...

http://www.fortunecity.com/tatooine/niven/142/img/op5703.jpg

[VAMPIR]

Gary Strydom ... bullshit!
http://www.mpomerle.com/Auto/Pictures/Gary_Strydom.jpg

Rich Gaspari was good, but not good enough. I always liked him.
http://www.bbcenter.sk/images/gallery/arnolds_classic/rich_gaspari/gaspari10.jpg

[VAMPIR]

But look Ronnie...
mass, definition, symmetry... all the best!
http://www.hirepgym.com/images/ronnie_coleman/ronnie-coleman-large.GIF

who's the most massive EVER???:viking:
http://www.ronniecoleman.net/bigbeachsm.jpg

[Hippias]

Hmmm.... OK. Respect. You're brave.
Nope!:) Have you ever heard of Victor Richards? He WAS. Today, Ronnie and Jay are more massive.

They're synthol freaks.

[Thomas777]

Well, BBing is subjective and reasonable people can differ in their aesthetic judgments, but both Ronnie and Jay to me = unrefined mass.

Seeing pics of Andreas Munzer and Mike Mentzer inspired me to pick up a weight. Mentzer was freakishly strong and conditioned...the guy could run a 5-minute mile.

Munzer looked like a walking anatomy chart with perfectly symmetrical proportions.

Ronnie Coleman packs an insane amount of muscle, but his symmetry is nonexistant and his waist looks to be between 42 and 44 inches. There is no athleticism to his physique.

[Thomas777]

Another pic of Munzer:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3806/munzer1hz7.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=munzer1hz7.jpg)


That is bodybuilding perfection, IMO.

[Keystone]

Another pic of Munzer:
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/3806/munzer1hz7.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=munzer1hz7.jpg)


That is bodybuilding perfection, IMO.
He looks like a flank steak. WTF is the attraction to this?

[Helios Panoptes]

The attraction to bodybuilding is lost on me. Weightlifting I can understand.

[Thomas777]

The attraction to bodybuilding is lost on me. Weightlifting I can understand.

Well, I like both.

Bodybuilding is an aesthetic pursuit...I look at it as laboring intensively to perfect the physical form.

I think that bodybuilding is something that people love or hate...nobody has a neutral opinion on it.

[Keystone]

Well, I like both.

Bodybuilding is an aesthetic pursuit...I look at it as laboring intensively to perfect the physical form.

I think that bodybuilding is something that people love or hate...nobody has a neutral opinion on it.
It's gay......

[Thomas777]

He looks like a flank steak. WTF is the attraction to this?

Well, look at the symmetry of Munzer's musculature...its a completely harmonious expression of finely developed anatomy. The cuts and striations are so pronounced, he almost looks skinless. Munzer's level of development, coupled with his mind-boggling level of conditioning is quite awe-inspiring. To me, this is what bodybuilding should be about...it should not be about cartoonish, unrefined mass and charicaturish physiques.

[Thomas777]

It's gay......

I think a lot of gays like bodybuilding, but that does not mean that bbing is "gay".

I don't like it that people think that men who have aesthetic interests are "gay".

[Keystone]

Well, look at the symmetry of Munzer's musculature...
No. It's gay. I'd rather look at female musculature, thanks.

[Thomas777]

No. It's gay. I'd rather look at female musculature, thanks.

There is no need to sexualize it.

Is Michaelangelo's "David" gay?

[Hippias]

Gary Strydom ... bullshit!

Well, I'm sure if Strydom had used synthol he would've been a 400lb freak like Coleman.

[Kodos]

No. It's gay. I'd rather look at female musculature, thanks.

I think extreme bodybuilding is gay( except for Arnie) but Landser bodybuilding to impress chicks and look scary... not gay.

[VAMPIR]

Well, I'm sure if Strydom had used synthol he would've been a 400lb freak like Coleman.
Come on, Carl! All of them today (and closer past) using synthol! How they can look like anathomy athlas without it??? Look Oliva, Arnold.... they weren't 400lbs monsters.

[Basil Fawlty]

There is no need to sexualize it.

Is Michaelangelo's "David" gay?Those people all look disgusting and unnatural. I dont know how you can talk about these freaks as the perfection of the male form.

This is the perfection of the male form:
http://www.longpassages.org/images/Florence%20Michelangelo%27s%20David.jpg

[Hippias]

Look Oliva, Arnold.... they weren't 400lbs monsters.

That's exactly my point. The most massive "Iron Age" bodybuilders were nowhere near as huge as guys like Marcus Ruhl and Ronnie Coleman. You cannot get as big as they are, even with the auxilary of steroids, no matter how genetically blessed you are. It is just not going to happen. The only way you can get as massive as Coleman (while maintaining a low level of body fat) is by taking synthol. There's no way around it.

Strydom, Bertil Fox and Matt Mendenhall had the most optimal frames for building muscle mass, and they did not have Coleman's 26' arms. Why is that?

[VAMPIR]

Someone answer me who can love this:

http://www.hantelparty.de/xt/female-bodybuilder.gif

http://www.wholefitness.com/images/bodybuildwoman.jpg

http://www.benchpresschampion.com/PHOTOS/WOMENBODYBUILDING/Woman6.jpg

I understand that women like sport, but come on.
now compare with this:

http://www.akelys.com/concept/pic/Good_body.jpg

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/cornerstonemusik/images/kim%20smith's%20perfect%20body.jpg:)

http://cog1.com/justin2/perfect_ass.jpg

[Thomas777]

That's exactly my point. The most massive "Iron Age" bodybuilders were nowhere near as huge as guys like Marcus Ruhl and Ronnie Coleman. You cannot get as big as they are, even with the auxilary of steroids, no matter how genetically blessed you are. It is just not going to happen. The only way you can get as massive as Coleman (while maintaining a low level of body fat) is by taking synthol. There's no way around it.

Strydom, Bertil Fox and Matt Mendenhall had the most optimal frames for building muscle mass, and they did not have Coleman's 26' arms. Why is that?

Insulin, GH and peptides (such as IGF-1) are what really changed everything, IMO.

Look at the latent bone growth on Cutler's face or Coleman's distended abdomen.

[tempus fugit]

Bodybuilding can be seen as narcissisic and gay.

But it can also be seen as a true art, just as sculpture is art.

I call this the "You are gay or clay" theory. :D

[Keystone]

I think a lot of gays like bodybuilding, but that does not mean that bbing is "gay".

I don't like it that people think that men who have aesthetic interests are "gay".
Aesthetic interest in another guy's "glutes" and other muscle groups as in pro bodybuilding is gay. Bodybuilding for the look of it is freakish.

Different strokes, I suppose.

[Keystone]

Those people all look disgusting and unnatural. I dont know how you can talk about these freaks as the perfection of the male form.

This is the perfection of the male form:
http://www.longpassages.org/images/Florence%20Michelangelo%27s%20David.jpg
Exactly so.....

[Jimbo Gomez]

This thread is übergay.

[tempus fugit]

This is the perfection of the male form:
http://www.longpassages.org/images/Florence%20Michelangelo%27s%20David.jpg

Why do you think so?

[Keystone]

This thread is übergay.
I feel soiled by my posting in it.

[Basil Fawlty]

Why do you think so?First of all its a work of art, so literally expresses the form. It is a work of art that expresses the male form in its perfection, for it is most harmonious in every respect - in each of its parts, and the way they relate to each other and to the whole. It is rightly deemed to be one of the finest plastic representations of the male form this side of classical antiquity.

[Helios Panoptes]

There is no need to sexualize it.

Is Michaelangelo's "David" gay?

No, I do not find it gay. However, when one wants to describe the work of art, they do so using aesthetic words, whereas people usually desribe a bodybuilder's physique by talking about how huge or defined some muscle or muscle group is. That is fetishistic. I doubt anyone looks at Michaelangelo's "David" and raves about how massive and "shredded" the gluteal muscles are.

[Keystone]

I doubt anyone looks at Michaelangelo's "David" and raves about how massive and "shredded" the gluteal muscles are.
Which would be gay as hell. Everytime I catch these guys on ESPN3 or 4 or 5 parading around in their lil speedos flexing and commentators commenting on how ripped they are, I have to laugh. Bodybuilding fans rating them---you might as well bend over.

[Thomas777]

Which would be gay as hell. Everytime I catch these guys on ESPN3 or 4 or 5 parading around in their lil speedos flexing and commentators commenting on how ripped they are, I have to laugh. Bodybuilding fans rating them---you might as well bend over.


You guys are gay. I am so not gay that bodybuilding does not make me worry about "gay".

[Sandee]

Someone answer me who can love this:

http://www.hantelparty.de/xt/female-bodybuilder.gif

http://www.wholefitness.com/images/bodybuildwoman.jpg

http://www.benchpresschampion.com/PHOTOS/WOMENBODYBUILDING/Woman6.jpg


Horrible. Simply horrible. They have the right to do whatever they want to their bodies but geez, what's aesthetically appealing about that?

Toning is alright but this is too much. Steroids, right? If not, they have a higher level of Testosterone than the other women. I heard that the latter condition is rare. In any case, it's disturbing.

They look like men...

[Keystone]

You guys are gay. I am so not gay that bodybuilding does not make me worry about "gay".
I think you're too not worried about it...

[Arminius]

They aren't attractive in the least. They've ruined their bodies, in my opinion. Living a healthy life is good, but that is obsession.

[Morpheus]

Horrible. Simply horrible. They have the right to do whatever they want to their bodies but geez, what's aesthetically appealing about that?

Toning is alright but this is too much. Steroids, right? If not, they have a higher level of Testosterone than the other women. I heard that the latter condition is rare. In any case, it's disturbing.

They look like men...



They aren't attractive in the least. They've ruined their bodies, in my opinion. Living a healthy life is good, but that is obsession.

I agree.

Female bodybuilding to that level is to me a bastardization of the feminine form. Can they even have children at that much lean body mass and obvious juicing to aquire such a physique?

As a man I do workout to keep myself fit and toned, bulked only to an extent but have no desire to be built like any incarnation of Mr. Olympia.

Such physiques impress me (a masculine thing female body builders don't) as the men are built like statues but I don't envy them.

[Basil Fawlty]

Such physiques impress me (a masculine thing female body builders don't) as the men are built like statues but I don't envy them.How can you say that? No artist would ever commit such ugliness to marble. Rodin pushes it at times, but he is a classicist compared to those mutants depicted on p. 1 of the thread.

[tempus fugit]

And Jay Cutler is underrated, too. Never to find good shape. Good balance between definition and mass...Always second... too bad
http://www.athlete.ru/fotos/profi/jay_cutler/036.jpg

You know that Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia, right?

[tempus fugit]

First of all its a work of art, so literally expresses the form. It is a work of art that expresses the male form in its perfection, for it is most harmonious in every respect - in each of its parts, and the way they relate to each other and to the whole. It is rightly deemed to be one of the finest plastic representations of the male form this side of classical antiquity.

But that's all subjective opinion.

Personally, I think this to be my own idea of a perfect male form:

http://www.ilguerriero.it/codinopreatle/bodybuilding/immagini/heavyduty/clip_image014.jpg

[Keystone]

How can you say that? No artist would ever commit such ugliness to marble. Rodin pushes it at times, but he is a classicist compared to those mutants depicted on p. 1 of the thread.
It looks as if human heads were photoshopped onto sides of beef. They waddle around because their freakishly large muscles restrict normal movement.

What a strange "sport".

[Sandee]

^ They have muscle implants too now.

http://www.infoplasticsurgery.com/breast/pec-implants.html

I don't see why men need to resort to this. I think an athletic guy looks much nicer (medium build).

Example: The typical tennis player physique or even football guy (much bigger build).

The pictures in this thread, however, are scary.

http://www.glocktalk.com/images/smilies/couch.gif

[The Retard]

Those thigh muscles must really put a squeeze on the satchel.

[Morpheus]

How can you say that? No artist would ever commit such ugliness to marble. Rodin pushes it at times, but he is a classicist compared to those mutants depicted on p. 1 of the thread.

I'm speaking in terms of muscle definition not muscle mass per se.

The average man on the street does not have the mucle tone of a Greco-Roman statue.

When people talk about having the body of a "Greek God" they usually mean in terms of muscle tone.

Body builders are just exceptionally defined they have a "chiseled" physique as well as comic book super hero quality muscle mass.

[VAMPIR]

You know that Jay Cutler is Mr. Olympia, right?
Yeah, but how many times he could be better? He's my favorite of todays.

[funderbunked]

Sergio Oliva

He was reigning before my time. I've seen only photos.

But, goddamn...just...Jesus. I've never seen anything like it.

I heard he became a Chicago cop after Ahnold dethroned him in one of his last Mr. Olympia challenges. Got shot by his [his own; not Ahnold's] deranged wife in the 1990s.

He's a real mystery critter. The antithesis of Ahnold.

[///M power]

nice thread!
the biggest of all times is Coleman.
I dont like anyone of them in person except for Arnold,although today with the body he had back then he would not be able to compete at Mr.Olympia.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

Is anyone here familiar with Albert Beckles? The man was competing almost in to his 70s! Dorian Yates- best lat spread of all time.

[///M power]

Is anyone here familiar with Albert Beckles? The man was competing almost in to his 70s! Dorian Yates- best lat spread of all time.

Dorian Yates have the best lat spread,but overall he doesn't have the best proportions between muscles like jay and Ronnie.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

Ronnie is overhyped IMO. Gustavo Badell recently showed him up.

[VAMPIR]

I think that Ronnie deserved this one.
Look:
http://mr-olympia-2006.ronnie.cz/callouts/

[Lebensraum_Metal]

Voted Muscle Power.