Banned from Storm Front.

[cerberus]

Delighted to learn that I have just been banned from Storm Front.
So just a word of thanks to "Jack Boot, EG, Lord S , JU88 , Celtic Pat , Ozman , The Old Man , Maud Dib, Hektor, Wake Up , Eyeswide open, and numerous other brothers and sisters in denial for affording me such an insight into how "WN's" think in relation to Jews and the Holocaust.

What I carried away is the clear statement that they want only to run a mutual back slapping society and self deluding belief system in which they can all find support and comfort.

All in all a very sterile and unproductive arena , "the same old same old" in which :deadhorse: is the order of the day.

So to the circle of denial , I thank you for your wasted time.

[Daniel Shays]

Please link to the thread(s). :)

[Winston]

Never posted there myself but your banning mirrors the kind of thing that happens to your opposite numbers when they attempt to post in similarly intolerant surroundings.

[cerberus]

Which is something that phora has going for it , by and large a pretty broad church , how often have you seen anyone banned here and for what reasons ?
links to threads , apparrently i was supposed to be a bitch , which as my teenage daughter would remind me sounds "Gay and retarded".

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Well, post here then. I think its safe to say that this forum will never turn into stormfront. If it did, it would have to happen over my dead body.

[Rusty Mason]

Holy cow, what did you do to get banned from SF? One can post quite liberally there. Do you know what moderator banned you?

[6(sic)6]

Members have been banned before for jew trashing...
Nowdays the liberals are accepted and the hardcore NS are banned.

Im guessing that arguing with serbs overthere also might get you banned (worked for me).

[Geist]

Why in Gods name would anybody post on SF?

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Well I post there ocassionally because a lot of people see your posts, and because there are a few worthy members over there, not a lot, but I just ignore the others.

[Empress Cheesatine]

Good to hear. My guess is if an anti-Christian went into the Christian section of this web board and began posting things against the theme of the section he'd sooner than later find himself ushered out. Its not a matter of not being able to debate people who disagree, its a matter of maintaining a place where people of similar view can talk among each other. SF has an opposition forum for the antis, where antis prefer to seem to prefer the hit-and-run method over debating with the evil racists.

Cerberus, you're a known anti, and a quite hostile one at that. You shouldn't have been trolling around on SFs main forums to begin with. Those forums aren't for everyone and their drunken uncle. I see no reason you cannot have a decent debate in the opposition section of SF or simply invite Stormfronters here.

[cerberus]

Cheespie , thanks for the big red cube - much appreciated .:viking: :thanks:
Some guy called "Jack Boot" , I must admit I didn't quite play ball with them - didn't click my boots together and tow the party lin

Inviting them over here , no they weren't in favour of that - not at all.
BTW I was not the only Phora guy to get banned from there but what the heck.

GiestWhy in Gods name would anybody post on SF?
Why indeed , it is
Mainly just to see what they had to say and get an insight into their views on certain issues.
Bottomline seemed to be " anything you deny , I'll deny better" and if you are not with us you must be against us.

You won't find many coming here - they would not last.

[Farkas]

Aaah Cerberus, don't feel sad about it. Stormfront is something like these popular kids in High School, no knowledge and only flash, The Phora consists of the smartasses. Everyone knows that the smartasses have most knowledge on things and that they are the true believers. There are some good posters on SF, but most of them want to stay with the popular kids. The Phora is for the elite and consists of the elite. Be proud about that! :)

I used to post in Shitfront aswell until I got banned by some gay gothic moderator that kisses jew-feet. His name was Wotanskrieger, he used to be called Heidens Bloed (now we call him Hassidic Blood). His effort was not worth the while, I was going to leave SF sooner or later anyway.

Have a look at the board. We have 384 active members. That is nothing compared to SF. But these 384 active members don't write any bullshit like those 3000 active members of Shitfront do. Compare these (fictive, but close to reality) thread titles:

SF................................................Phora
Was Hitler an alien?.........................The Diary of Hitler
Jewish noses..................................Jewish crimes throughout humanity
Boycott Nokia cellphones!.................Jewish products to boycott.

etc...

You see Cerberus, the saying here goes: "It is better to send five lions than 500 sheep." :)

[Commander]

Cerberus, I can understand why you are mad, [that is, assuming you are mad] about being banned. They have an opp views section there if you want to stir up the pot a bit.

jack boot is the administrator for that site in case you are curious. He is a reasonable man from what I have seen of him. I'm sure you must have checked out that site & seen it's format. Can you honestly tell me you didn't think this would happen?

So just a word of thanks to "Jack Boot, EG, Lord S , JU88 , Celtic Pat , Ozman , The Old Man , Maud Dib, Hektor, Wake Up , Eyeswide open, and numerous other brothers and sisters in denial for affording me such an insight into how "WN's" think in relation to Jews and the Holocaust.

A couple of the members you list there are not "in denial" as you say, but are in fact very knowledgeable people. If you ever took some time to read some of the posts in Revisionism, you would know what I mean.

[cerberus]

A.A> - it was this section they banned me from .
Feeling angry - not in the least - it was bound to happen - their ability to focus on anything other than the party line is limited and as far as any knowledge of 33-45 goes they are a disappointment.
talking to them is most definately :deadhorse: syndrome.
Cheesie Pie gave me a big red one thinking I am whining about it , feeling annoyed - quite the reverse so I hope he might communicate it back to Jack Boot, E.G> and her chours line of chippendales.

[Osmium14]

Don't worry about it. Just make a new username on SF. We always need more people. This time don't get yourself banned. ;)

[Captain Marinesko]

Cereberus, I'm not going to make any assumptions but I understand what you mean when you say your problem was not following the "party line". For some reason, the WN movement seems to be imploding or something, with the intelligent thinkers leaving while a wave of cultists and feeble-minded flood in to fill the gaps. Independent thinking is being supressed in favor of oversimplistic slogans and conspiracy theories. Intelligent racialists are getting attacked by Johnny-come-lately wannabes who mouth the official slogans or conspiracies.

Unless you want to bang your head against the wall, you'd be better off staying on a forum like this where dissent is allowed if not encouraged.

[cerberus]

Osmium14
Don't worry about it. Just make a new username on SF. We always need more people. This time don't get yourself banned.

Osmium - I would have to say that I would not be for wasting any more time on SF and the regular movers and shakers there - "Black balling" for the sake of it and blatently poor moderation - and you present an idiots charter to all.

I think Captain Marinesko sums it up quite well.

My being "black balled" out of SF- it was mentioned here in a light hearted manner , nothing more but it does make you wonder just what makes some folks tick !

[Captain Marinesko]

SF has an opposition forum for the antis, where antis prefer to seem to prefer the hit-and-run method over debating with the evil racists.



Maybe it seems like "hit-and-run" because SF is notorious for moderating, limiting, and deleting posts that they can't deal with.

[Trojan]

Why in Gods name would anybody post on SF?

Pure morbid curiosity - I also, like Cerberus, have been banned.

[Trojan]

Cerberus, I can understand why you are mad, [that is, assuming you are mad] about being banned. They have an opp views section there if you want to stir up the pot a bit.


Its the oppossing view part that was our exile, we are now banned from that as well.


jack boot is the administrator for that site in case you are curious. He is a reasonable man from what I have seen of him. I'm sure you must have checked out that site & seen it's format. Can you honestly tell me you didn't think this would happen?


Jack deletes what he cannot defeat.


A couple of the members you list there are not "in denial" as you say, but are in fact very knowledgeable people. If you ever took some time to read some of the posts in Revisionism, you would know what I mean.


Please feel free to point out any relevant arguments the Stormfronters have made that you deem credible.

[cerberus]

Captain MarineskoMaybe it seems like "hit-and-run" because SF is notorious for moderating, limiting, and deleting posts that they can't deal with.

Sums them up about right - there is gent posting there at present who is running rings around them - he will get the chop as well - oposing views are fine as long as they down confront them with uncomfortable facts.
If in doubt or if on the ropes delete and ban.

Quoted by TrojanA couple of the members you list there are not "in denial" as you say, but are in fact very knowledgeable people. If you ever took some time to read some of the posts in Revisionism, you would know what I mean.


They may be knowledgeable as reagrding some revisionist mantras , but when you try and introduce it as history that is when it has a problem interfacing with reality.
Now , if this is meant to suggest knowledge , I must admit that I have a problem with some one who tries to argue that 2+2 = 10.

As as some of those named "not being in denial" , you are surely joking and as far as being "in the know" I would say that they proved themselves to be other wise.
Take "The Oldman" - he claimed to be reading history of for 30 plus years , but had never heard of T4 , and the oters looked to him for the lead ?
I do not consider myself an expert of any kind but these guys claimed to be able to say what was what .

I would love some of them to come over here and give it a go on a level playing field - they lack the nerve.

[Captain Marinesko]

2 + 2 = 10? Oh that must be Celtic "WWII was started by the Soviet Jews in 1938 Because I WANT it that way" Patriot!

[Frank]

Maybe it seems like "hit-and-run" because SF is notorious for moderating, limiting, and deleting posts that they can't deal with.

The moderator for "Stormfront: Downunder" is little more than a hired censor who enforces the rules according to her personal likes and dislikes of members or topics. She should be replaced by Don Black and pronto!

The moderators for "Stormfront: Canada" deleted a very long post of mine because it contained a slur; a slur which was merely part of a posted news article about a court decision. However, no one complained when someone called for Madonna to be hanged.

The moderators at SF for the most part are very bad at their jobs. There are exceptions though; I like JJT, jack-boot and a couple of others but for the most part the forum needs a major overhaul.

[Captain Marinesko]

Aside from that there is the across the boards domination by Serbian nationalists. Back around 1999, a lot of WNs got the ridiculous idea that somehow Serbs are defenders of the white race or something. That meant that Serbs got carte blanche on a lot of those forums.

[Trojan]

Quoted by Trojan

They may be knowledgeable as reagrding some revisionist mantras , but when you try and introduce it as history that is when it has a problem interfacing with reality.


Ugh - that's not my line!!

[Ahknaton]

I got banned from Stormfront after about 10 posts "for being confused". It was kind of annoying because I put a decent amount of effort into a post on video editing.

[Captain Marinesko]

I got banned from Stormfront after about 10 posts "for being confused". It was kind of annoying because I put a decent amount of effort into a post on video editing.


If "being confused" is grounds for being banned from Stormfront, how the HELL is Celtic Patriot still there? He MUST be giving them money. That guy is CERTIFIABLY confused about the beginning date of WWII, among other things.

[OVERWATCH]

Cheesypie: while I understand that Stormfront is a forum which orbits around white nationalism, and that banning those who are clearly outside that orbit should be a matter of course, others have been banned or put on moderturdation for having an eccentric orbit.

For instance, I posted (in the open forum) a question asking for hard evidence that the ADL was advocating for hate-speech laws. I needed this for a debate that I was engaged in with an anti-racist supporter of the ADL, yet could find nothing to support this on searches.

The responses at SF were totally devoid of any useful information, and the thread was locked by Muad-dib, after he posted a google search which was worthless.

Now, SF'ers will defend the assertion that the ADL lobbies for 'hate=speech' laws, something which I assert to be true as well, yet the dearth of hard evidence is surprising, but instead of coming off with the evidence or some reasoned argument, the solution is to close the thread, while the mod insults the person who asks the tough question.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=240528

This is a real-eye opener, but one that was well-due, and it illustrates perfectly the poverty of thought which most idealogues revel in.

While I respect Stormfront for being a successful site, a free-thinking person really is better off being banned from a forum which mandates strict adherence to party lines, even if the inevitable result is to decrepify that party's ideology by encouraging sheep-like bleating of oafishul party propaganda. The end result is, of course, an army of adherents who skillfully ape the biblical bits they have learned, but are often unable to tackle real opposition in an intellectual arena.

The opposition forum at SF is a joke, as I would assert that most of the 'antis' there are sockpuppets of SF hardliners, and all posts are moderturdated so as to selectively allow only the mouth-breathers to post, whereas the more intelligent antis' posts never see the light of day.

[Captain Marinesko]

Spot on, Bligh. The worst thing about SF's censorship and moderation is that it seems to most keenly affect intelligent racialists who are known to be on their side. The first time I was banned from Stormfront, nobody ever gave me a reason(though I knew it had something to do with the Serbs). They just kept saying "you violated teh RULES!!!1" Of course they could never point out which ones. They are cowards when it comes to their decisions.

One of the last times they yelled at me under my original username was in a thread talking about "the REAL Quran" or something along those lines, which was in the Opp forum for some reason. So I came on there and made some CLEARLY relevant comparisons between the Islamic suwar that were quoted and some passages and teachings of the Bible. Suddenly the mod drops in and says- DON'T DISCUSS CHRISTIANITY OUTSIDE OF THE THEOLOGY FORUM! I pointed out to him that I wasn't discussing Christianity- just making a valid analogy, I also pointed out that quoting Islamic scripture could also be construed as theology. He then told me that in Opp forum you could criticize "Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, etc." but not Christianity. Strange seeing that if Christianity is so "white", why would you not be allowed to criticize it in the Opp forum? Just for a reminder here- that was when I was still posting under my real name and I was a known activist in contact with many other activists at the time(I had also written a number of articles). Shortly after that scuffle I was banned without a given reason.


The next time I came on- again, I was certainly not criticizing racialism because I considered myself to be a racialist and still a National Socialist. Somehow they figured out it was me and then Don Black or one of the mods said I was banned last time for "spreading Islamic propaganda". I knew EXACTLY what they were talking about- my assertion of the easily recognizable fact that Bosnian Muslims ARE WHITE. Black(or whichever mod it was) FALSELY accused me of "spamming" said "propaganda"(strangely they could give no example), and then they banned me again.

The last time I was on there was as Finis Coronat Opus, and that's when I encountered Celtic Patriot. First Celtic Patriot needed help understanding English; namely that "Bourgeoisie" means the ruling class, pre-dates Marx, and is in fact NOT something Marx made up that means "the white race". He would just repeat his same claim again and again.

Then it was an argument over when WWII started. Celtic Patriot doesn't seem to like that Nazis started the war, so he decided that WWII could have started in 1938 with the Soviet-Japanese Border war. He posts links to descriptions of this war as "references" like a goddamn bibliography. When I informed him that there is a reason that war is called "SOVIET JAPANESE BORDER WAR" and not "WORLD WAR II", he would just post the same thing over and over and occasionally ask: "Where are YOUR sources?" Of course in that debate, my source would be:

References:

1. Every piece of published material in the entire world which mentions the starting date of WWII in it.


Finally he broke down and revealed his strange psychology when he asked: "Why do you want whites to be responsible for WWII?"

That reveals it- apparently people like him think history should be about what they WANT, not what actually HAPPENED.

The other running battle with him was over the 9-11 conspiracy. He would post the same thing over and over: "Why do you believe the Michael Chertoff version? How does it help whites?"

I would ask him, to no avail, the following:

1. How does LYING help whites?
2. Did you know that despite the fact Michael Chertoff believes that "version", Chertoff isn't the origin of what happened on 9-11?


Of course as usual, he would just repeat the thing endlessly.

I complained to a mod about this repetition, and asked whether the mods were concerned about maintaining SFs dignity and image. And then PRESTO! BANNED FOR NO REASON!!!

Better to have a guy that says WWII began in 1938 because he WANTS it that way than a critically thinking racialist. I think that was one of the key reasons why I decided to sever my connections with that movement. Idiots are ushered in and given pats on the head, while the thinking are kicked out and ridiculed.


But hey.... "There's NO intelligent opposition to White Nationalism!" Right?

[eggheadbanga]

Has MuadDib ever been seen outside the moat of Castle SF?

Flak's encounter with that WN wunderkind was a treat. The idiot was so wrapped up in his preconceptions that he confused hate crime laws with hate speech laws, and none of them could answer a straight question.

Celtic Patriot has got to be my favourite internet poster ever. I'm not sure if this is really him, but it's definitely how I imagine him. This was found here:
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/05/whats-with-iq-and-stuff.html

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/nickterry/146824306_d7558123d4_o.jpg

[OVERWATCH]

Check out the number of link-spammers who constitute a significant number of folks in any forum, especially stormfront (but there are others). This is what amen-cornerism fosters. A "I'll give you a link to a huge site, let you figure it out for yourself, and look "smart" in the five seconds it takes to copy and paste from my Big Book of Links". What is the point of posting such drivel if not for the purpose of spamming to look like one of the lads?

Politely asking a specific and challenging question, only to recieve a flurry of links to the homepage of huge sites, irrelevant google searches and off-topic blather;to be ironically castigated by a pompous, arrogant moderator apparently projecting his own character deficits upon others, and then the discussion terminated once the facts did not seem to fit the propaganda!

It should be noted that spamming off topic or irrelevant links, or making stupid comments like "go read a book", or "I'm not your teacher", all the while claiming argumentative "victory" is found amongst self-styled "activists" for any cause to which one may practise unswerving and staunch obedience to the Party Line.

Muad-dib is a member here, and has made a couple of posts, I wager that he will run across this thread, and hopefully try to continue the subject regarding the ADL's involvement in hate-speech laws, if he has mustered any argument beyond sending links to off-topic google searches and closing the thread. I, for one, promise not to do the same :cool:

Where art thou, Muad-dib? Will do ye care to give this fellow a "primer" on ADL machinations for hate-speech laws? Will ye redeem yerself?

[OVERWATCH]

Mentioning the way that Serbs are treated as a pet nationality on SF, is also an issue, for the moderator of the balkanoid subforum (who goes by the names of Omarska and General Mladic) is a cretin of the lowest order.

Also, regarding being unable to discuss Christianity in the SF opposition forum is lucidrous! I can understand it not being discussed elsewhere, as those sort of issues are very hot-button topics which tend to make discussions go off topic very quickly.. but not in the opposition forum either? :confused:

This sort of thing is in a way inevitable when you have a very large forum, and all of the staff are staunch ideologues. The moderators, fueled by bias, under frustration, and harried by work overload, commit many irrational decisions.

[Trojan]

Has MuadDib ever been seen outside the moat of Castle SF?

Flak's encounter with that WN wunderkind was a treat. The idiot was so wrapped up in his preconceptions that he confused hate crime laws with hate speech laws, and none of them could answer a straight question.

Celtic Patriot has got to be my favourite internet poster ever. I'm not sure if this is really him, but it's definitely how I imagine him. This was found here:
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2006/05/whats-with-iq-and-stuff.html

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g212/nickterry/146824306_d7558123d4_o.jpg

From JohnJoyTree

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3181890&postcount=51

Celtic_Patriot is an intelligent but completely unbalanced person, an unfortunate combination.

He has been banned under several previous incarnations (Druidscholar et al) when he went completely loopy, but he appears to be on a slightly better prescription nowadays.


I believe he sincerely means well, for what that's worth. But don't take him seriously.

[leondegrance]

SF is not a bad site, a bit more sane than VNN. I think Don Black is a fairly moderate WN.

White Nationalism has a lot of Nazi-fetish types, and what you read on there regarding jewry is mostly utter nonsense.

JohnJoyTree is one of the better posters on there.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Also, regarding being unable to discuss Christianity in the SF opposition forum is lucidrous.
I know I'm bringing up the jew issue again but I feel its appropriate because it is discussed in such a substantial number of posts over there that it deserves a response. I think its hypocritical to be so defensive of christianinty, to go out of your way to protect all the various white nationalities from insulting each other and protect most religions from being insulted too...and then to simultaneously treat jews the way they are treated over there. So that's my issue with that. Stormfront is basically trying to control what people can and can't talk about to create a society of name the jew freaks.

[cerberus]

Captain BlighWhere art thou, Muad-dib? Will do ye care to give this fellow a "primer" on ADL machinations for hate-speech laws? Will ye redeem yerself?

Oh " where for art thou" Muad-dib - a least here you might make a more valid contribution than to act as a unpiad counter of posts.

The other cheer leaders from SF . Lord Sidious , JU88, Ozman and Hektor - why don't you pop over here and be an advocate for your cause.
You would feel quite at home in WFH's Jewology section - lots of kindred "kinsmen2 like a "Valhalla way from Vahalla" for you.:viking: :viking: :)
Are you up to it ? :bbbat: :confused:

Captain Bligh R.N.link-spammers

Ozman if Maud happens to report back to you , captain Bligh R.N. was referring to guys like you - sort of guys who never read a book , who prior to google hardly knew their name or the date.

[Empress Cheesatine]

Cerberus...

Just get over it.

:deadhorse: