On the Role of Jews in the Ustasha Movement (Croatian Fascists)

[Petr]

Let's begin with this amazing excerpt from Hannah Arendt's famous book Eichmann in Jerusalem:


http://www.pavelicpapers.com/documents/jasenovac/ja0009.html


The Ustase's "Honorary Aryans"

Author Hannah Arendt on the destruction of Croatia's Jewish Community, and the manner in which "assimilated" Jews lingered on until rather late in the war in Zagreb.


The great body of middle class Jews, so characteristic of Western and Central Europe, did not exist in the East; in its stead we find a thin layer of upper-middle-class families who actually belonged to the ruling classes and the degree of whose assimilation - through money, through baptism, through inter-marriage - to Gentile society was infinitely greater than that of most Jews in the West.

Among the first countries in which the executors of the Final Solution were confronted with these conditions was the puppet state of Croatia, in Yugoslavia, whose capital was Zagreb. The Croat government, headed by Dr. Ante Pavelic, very obligingly introduced anti-Jewish legislation three weeks after its establishment, and when asked what was to be done with the few dozen Croat Jews in Germany, it sent word that they 'would appreciate deportation to the East.' The Reich Minister of the Interior demanded that the country be judenrein by February, 1942, and Eichmann sent Hauptsturmfuhrer Franz Abromeit to work with the German police attache in Zagreb.

The deportations were carried out by the Croats themselves, notably by members of the strong fascist movement, the Ustashe, and the Croats paid the Nazis thirty marks for each Jew deported. In exchange, they received all the property of the deportees. This was in accordance with the Germans' official 'territorial principle,' applicable to all European countries, whereby the state inherited the property of each murdered Jew who had resided within it boundaries, regardless of his nationality.

...The original deadline of February, 1942, could not be met, because Jews were able to escape from Croatia to Italian-occupied territory, but after the Badoglio coup Hermann Krumey, another of Eichmann's men, arrived in Zagreb, and by the fall of 1943 thirty thousand Jews had been deported to the killing centers.

Only then did the Germans realize that the country was still not judenrein. In the initial anti-Jewish legislation, they had noted a curious paragraph that transformed into 'honorary Aryans' all Jews who made contributions to 'the Croat cause.' The number of these Jews had of course greatly increased during the intervening years. The very rich, in other words, who parted voluntarily with their property were exempted.

Even more interesting was the fact that the S.S. Intelligence service had discovered that nearly all members of the ruling clique in Croatia, from the head of government to the leader of the Ustashe, were married to Jewish women. The fifteen hundred survivors among the Jews in this area - five per cent, according to a Yugoslav government report - were clearly all members of this highly assimilated, and extraordinarily rich, Jewish group.

And since the percentage of assimilated Jews among the masses in the East has often been estimated at about five per cent, it is tempting to conclude that assimilation in the East, when it was at all possible, offered a much better chance for survival than it did in the rest of Europe.

[Petr]

"There was very little real ideological anti-Semitism in Croatian history. In fact, one of the key founders of the Ustasha Movement, Josip Frank, the successor to Starcevic in The Party of Rights, was an Austro-Hungarian Jew. This is another fact that is suppressed in historical accounts of Croatia and the Ustasha Movement. Josip Frank was a convert to Roman Catholicism but was by birth Jewish. The Ustasha were also known as Frankists or Frankovci because they followed Frank’s virulently racist and anti-Serbian and anti-Orthodox and anti-Semitic ideology that began with Ante Starcevic. Starcevic, the founder of the Ustasha Movement and of modern Croatian nationalism, was actually half-Serbian Orthodox on his mother’s side.

...

"The Ustasha Movement had its origins in Starcevic’s Croatian Party of Rights (Hrvatska Stranka Prava, HSP). The HSP broke up in 1908. Pavelic joined a splinter group lead by Josip Frank. The Frankist group was regarded as the “pure” Party of Rights, the most extremist and right-wing faction."

http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/055.html



"Ante Pavelic rose through the ranks of the Party of Right after the incorporation of Croatia into the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, later to be renamed Yugoslavia. He led the far right-wing of what was already a right-wing party - the "Frankist" faction, so named after Josip Frank, a singularly intolerant man despite his ethnic background as an assimilated Jew.

...

"From the beginning, Pavelic had quite naturally adopted Starcevic and Frank's ideology for his own movement. As with the Italian Fascists, the Ustase was at its origins xenophobic, and author Stella Alexander's description of some articles in the Croatian Catholic press from this time as "unpleasantly anti-Semitic but in a traditional, pre-Hitlerian way" fits the Ustase as well. Ante Pavelic's own wife, Mara Lovrencic, came from a family of assimilated Viennese Jews, and his chief aide in exile, Dido Kvaternik, was related to Josip Frank. "

http://www.pavelicpapers.com/features/essays/firingline.html

Was Josip Frank the Michael Savage of his times?


In all fairness, the future Communist dictator Josip Broz Tito had his Jewish contacts as well:

"Broz spent the next five and a half years at Lepoglava, a former monastery and university, converted by the Hapsburgs into a prison for not a few Croatian revolutionaries. The guards largely left him alone, free to commiserate with other prisoners. It was at Lepoglava that he met Mosa Pijade, a Serbian Jew. Mosa had been a Communist only slightly longer than he'd been a prisoner. He tutored Josip Broz in Marxist dialectics. "

http://www.diacritica.com/degenerate/4/pavelic5.html


Petr

[Petr]

From a pro-Croatian site that defends Ustasha against war-crime accusations:


http://www.mcadams-croatia.net/wp_on_a_artukovic.htm


Jews and the racial laws

"Like all areas occupied by the Germans, the Gestapo and SD units of the SS were active in Croatia. The heavy toll of Jews, as well as Croatian Catholics and Moslems, was surely taken. Although the Croatian government posted the racial laws required of them by Germans, Jews were on many occasions assisted by the Croatian people and Croatian laws. One such law redefined the German racial laws in such a way as to allow hundreds of Jews and children of mixed marriages to escape the Nazis. Another law granted full citizenship to those who had excelled in their "service to the Croatian State." (15)

"The reason for this law became apparent when noting the number of Jews who were counted among Croatia's leaders and statesmen. An interesting note in this regard is Slavko Kvaternik. Marsal Kvaternik, married the daughter of Josip (Joshua) Frank, the Jewish successor to Dr. Ante Starcevic as the leader of Pavelic s party. Therefore, not only was the wife of Ante Pavelic, the Chief-of-State, Jewish, but the wife of the vice-president and Chief of the Armed Forces, police forces, and gendarmes was also a Jew. Slavko Kvaternik's son, Col. Eugen Kvaternik, Ustasa commissioner for Public Order and Security was, according to both German and Judaic law, a Jew.

"Other prominent Jews in the Ustasa leadership included the Ustasa Representative to Hungary Alexander Klein, Vlado Singer of the Ustasa Police, and Pavelic's personal physician. In addition to the families of Dr. Pavelic and Marshal Kvaternik, the wife of Minister Zanic was also a Jew. Hundreds of other Jewish leaders and officials were made "honorary Aryans," a practice that the Germans looked upon as quite serious. W. H. Allen, in his book, The Destruction of the European Jews, noted that: (German Police Attache- SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer) "Helm added that the problem of honorary Aryans was admittedly unsolved; some of them were still holding office." Helm remarked that quite a few Croat leaders had strong family ties with Jews and that "some cabinet members had Jewish wives."(16)



And yet more info on this subject:


http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/booklets/croatia(n)-3.htm


"In 1941 the NDH leadership, under German domination, promulgated Nazi-type racial laws. But a picture of the Ustasha, including Pavelic, being personally anti-Jewish in the Nazi sense should not be accepted uncritically. Many facts challenge this picture:

i. The Ustasha were often known as 'Francovi' or 'Frankists' due to the dominance in their political evolution of Dr. Isaiah Frank, a Jew. He became leader of The Party of Right (Law) in 1896, following the death of Starcevic. Dr. Frank became a Catholic, taking the baptismal name of Josip ((EJ 16:917)). Frank was greatly admired and honoured by the Ustasha. Yet, if he had been alive in 1941, the racial laws would have driven him from his profession as a lawyer and ordered him to wear a yellow band.

ii. A Jewish lawyer, Hinko Hinkovic, was amongst the ideological and political leaders of Croatian nationalism ((EJ 16: 917)) and Vlado Singer, a Jewish intellectual, worked for Pavelic's election to parliament in 1927 ((MTA 125)).

iii. The Ustasha was not greatly interested in the Jews prior to the outbreak of the war ((SSJ 19: 22)). Their hatred was centred on the Serbs.

iv. Pavelic (as Chief of State) and Milovan Zanic (as President of the Legislative Committee) jointly signed the 1941 decrees concerning Jewish and Serbian property ((RL 606-627)). Yet both had Jewish wives ((MR 69)). According to Nazi ideology, the lives of these wives and their 'mischling' children were under threat.

v. Slavko Kvaternik who proclaimed Croatian independence on 10th April 1941, and became Commander of the Armed Forces and Pavelic's deputy, also had a Jewish wife ((IO 21-22)).

vi. Eugen (Dido) Kvaternik was appointed Director of Public Security. Being the son of Slavko he was therefore half Jewish.

...

xiv. The anti-Jewish laws promulgated by the NDH were implemented in the German zone only, not in the Italian ((RH 456)).

xv. It was easier for the Jews to survive in Croatia as compared with Serbia, because of the Italian zone. Also, the establishment of an 'independent' Croatia, not under direct German military administration, gave many the time to escape to Italy or into the mountains.

xvi. Jews were still holding official positions in Croatia, including senior ones within the Ustasha command, as late as 1944 ((RH 457)).



Petr

[Probably maybe]

All evil in the world comes from the jews. ;)

[Petr]

In this 1995 interview, an editor of neo-Ustashe newspaper* confirms the claims made on this thread:

* "Dr. Srecko Psenicnik, a former Ustashe official and Dr. Ante Pavelic's son-in-law, married to his younger daughter, Marija-Seka."


http://www.ex-yupress.com/globus/globus2.html

...

Will you, as a direct heir to Dr. Ante Pavelic and the president of the HOP, apologize to the Jews in the first homeland issue of "NDH" for everything they went through in NDH?

I think that the Jews fared better in Croatia than in any other European state which was engulfed in the war. Mr. [Simon] Wiesenthal [a "Nazi hunter"] also knows that although he doesn't want to admit it.

There were several Jews in the Croatian government, Poglavnik's wife was of the Jewish origin, as well as the wife of Slavko Kvaternik."



Moreover, the phenomenon of Jewish involvement in extreme Croatian nationalism does not seem to be completely over even today:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/794529/posts

"Holocaust exhibit a breakthrough as Croatia addresses wartime past"

(excerpt)

"The exhibit sparked a small demonstration led by Mladen Schwartz, a Croatian nationalist born to Jewish parents. The motto of the gathering was “Jews out of Croatia.”

:rolleyes:


Indeed, Mr Mladen Schwartz was actually mentioned in the Psenicnik interview above:

"Although I think that Mladen Schwartz is capable and intelligent, I think that his ideas depart from those of Ante Starcevic [founder of Pravasi in 19th century and "the father of the nation"]."


The Jewish Tribal Review has also heard about him:

"Even recently, in Croatia, "in July 1997, Mladen Schwartz, an individual of Jewish origin and an ultra-nationalist agitator, promoted his book 'Protocols, Jews and Adolf Hitler' in Zagreb's main square. In the book Schwartz poses such questions as 'Why should the Croatian state be in the service of Judeo-lobbyists?'" [INSTITUTE OF JEWISH POLICY RESEARCH, 2001]"

http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/02hos.htm


Petr

[Felix the Cat]

This is true all over southern Europe. The Catholic church has rarely objected to Jews on purely racial grounds, usually the objections are solely theological

If Jews convert, and intermarry with the "Old Christian" population, then they will generally be accepted into the nation with little controversy

(It was the refusal of the Spanish "Marranos" to intermarry that was the main cause of their persecution, not their race)

[Dionysus]

The objection is also for Cultural and Social reasons, not just a matter of theology, imo.

All evil in the world comes from the jews. ;)Yes, probably that's true.;)

[Petr]

The objection is also for Cultural and Social reasons, not just a matter of theology, imo.

In Mediterranean countries Jews have also tended to "blend in" physically a whole lot easier than in Germanic or Slavic countries.

(This doesn't explain Arab anti-Judaism, however)


Petr

[Banat]

iii. The Ustasha was not greatly interested in the Jews prior to the outbreak of the war ((SSJ 19: 22)). Their hatred was centred on the Serbs.

This pretty much explains it all: not greatly interested at all. It also explains the dual approach to the subject of modern sympathizers of the movement, proving both that it was anti-semitic and not anti-semitic, depending on the context, and using as arguments both the fact that many Jews were processed to concentration camps to prove one point, and the facts brought here to prove the other.

But imposing that Ustasha Movement was influnced or even led by the Jews wouldn't stand. Presence of some Jews in the movement is undeniable, but they were culturally assimilated and should be considered as Croats, which they were, despite their ethnic origin.

(This doesn't explain Arab anti-Judaism, however)

True. Skimming through some essays on Israel issue by Saddam Hussein and Tarik Aziz, I realized that their "anti-semitism" was very different from the European one. They didn't view Jews as a homogeneous people, or a race, but as a multi-national conglomerate, joined in the same religion and political engagement. To them Russian and American Jews were simply that: Russians and Americans of Judaism faith.

[Petr]

But imposing that Ustasha Movement was influnced or even led by the Jews wouldn't stand. Presence of some Jews in the movement is undeniable, but they were culturally assimilated and should be considered as Croats, which they were, despite their ethnic origin.
I actually agree with you.


They didn't view Jews as a homogeneous people, or a race, but as a multi-national conglomerate, joined in the same religion and political engagement.
And that's actually very close to the truth.

(I largely believe in the Khazar hypothesis; more on that on this thread:

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13415&highlight=isayevich


Petr

[Watzy]

This is true all over southern Europe. The Catholic church has rarely objected to Jews on purely racial grounds, usually the objections are solely theological

If Jews convert, and intermarry with the "Old Christian" population, then they will generally be accepted into the nation with little controversy

(It was the refusal of the Spanish "Marranos" to intermarry that was the main cause of their persecution, not their race)

True.

Racially based anti-semitism was a foreign concept brought into Croatia by the Nazis. Without Nazis, the Jews under Pavelic would never perished, just like they never perished in Spain under Francisco Franco (a Catholic Jew).

[Petr]

Racially based anti-semitism was a foreign concept brought into Croatia by the Nazis. Without Nazis, the Jews under Pavelic would never perished, just like they never perished in Spain under Francisco Franco (a Catholic Jew).

Do you have any concrete evidence to prove that Franco was Jewish?


Petr

[Watzy]

But imposing that Ustasha Movement was influenced or even led by the Jews wouldn't stand. Presence of some Jews in the movement is undeniable, but they were culturally assimilated and should be considered as Croats, which they were, despite their ethnic origin.

Well said. Josip Frank (a Catholic Croatian of Jewish origins) is regarded as one of ideological fathers of Croatian nationalism. The precursor of his political doctrine was Ante Starcevic - a Croat, while his follower was another Croat - Ante Pavelic. Frank's biological origins are completely irrelevant for his historic significance in the evolution of our national ideology. Same goes for other 'Jews' in Ustasha/Rightist ranks.

[Hakluyt]

True.

Racially based anti-semitism was a foreign concept brought into Croatia by the Nazis. Without Nazis, the Jews under Pavelic would never perished, just like they never perished in Spain under Francisco Franco (a Catholic Jew).
Hmm, at some point in the past I made a comment about Ustasha Jews, but your response at the time gave the impression of them as simply remnants of the old Austro-Hungarian staffers, and that in a post-war environment they would have been liquidated without delay. Are these divergent views simply matters of changing opinion, or are they based in any concrete history?

[Watzy]

Do you have any concrete evidence to prove that Franco was Jewish?


Petr

General Franco and the Jews

We have been taught that General Franco was a friend of Adolf Hitler and consequently an anti-Semite. Our teacher: The world's most successful Defamation League, Soviet Russia's Comintern (Communist International). Why? Because General Franco, by winning the Spanish Civil War expelled the Soviet presence in Spain and thwarted Russia's hopes to make Spain another Iron Curtain country.

So, Ignoring the fact that Franco's ancestors were Marranos, Spanish Jews who converted to Christianity during the Middle Ages under threat of death or persecution, here is testimony from non-interested parties:

FRANCISCO FRANCO, BENEFACTOR OF THE JEWS

However general history may judge him, in Jewish history, he shall certainly occupy a special place... Jews should honor and bless the memory of this great benefactor of the Jewish people...who neither sought nor reaped any benefit from what he did.
--From a four page obituary in The American Sephardi Journal of the Sephardic Studies Program of Yeshiva University, volume IX, 1978.

James Michener in Iberia, 1968, page 547: "...Generalissimo Franco is highly regarded by Jews; during the worst days of World War II, when pressures from Hitler were at their heaviest, Franco refused to issue anti-Jewish edicts and instead provided a sanctuary, never violated, for Jews who managed to make it to Spain. Many thousands of Jews owe their lives to Franco, and this is not forgotten."

In Resolutions of the War Emergency Conference of the World Jewish Congress, Atlantic City, New Jersey, November 26-30, 1944, page 15: "The War Emergency Conference extends its gratitude to the Holy See and to the Governments of Sweden, Switzerland, and Spain... for the protection they offered under difficult conditions to the persecuted Jews of Hungary..."

In the Congressional Record of January 24, 1950, Rep. Abraham Multer quotes a spokesman for the Joint Distribution Committee: "During the height of Hitler's blood baths, upwards of 60,000 Jews had been saved by the generosity of Spanish authorities."

Newsweek, March 2, 1970: "...a respected U.S. rabbi has come forward with surprising evidence that tens of thousands of Jews were saved from Nazi ovens by the personal intervention of an unlikely protector. Spain's Generalissimo Franco, in so many other respects a wartime collaborator of Adolf Hitler. "I have absolute proof that Franco saved more than 60,000 Jews during World War II," says Rabbi Chaim Lipscitz of Brooklyn's Torah Vodaath and Mesitva rabbinical seminary.


http://hitlerstoppedbyfranco.com/franco_jews.htm



Franco and Hitler

Hitler Stopped by Franco is the first book to deeply examine the relationship between Franco and Hitler during World War II.


Despite the smiles in this picture, Franco's relationship with Hitler was anything but cordial. Hitler Stopped by Franco shatters the myth that the two men were friends and allies, and is backed up at every turn by historical records. The following is a comment by the great Spanish scholar, Stanley G. Payne, Hilldale-Jaume Vicens Vives Professor of History, University of Wisconsin-Madison.

"[Franco], just out of the Spanish Civil War, had no intention of entering another, greater war on either side, and... by setting an unreachable price for Hitler to pay for his cooperation with the Caudillo was "buying peace with words," tightrope walking between two swords, hoping for the entire conflict to go away without any involvement. Despite the Civil War debt to Hitler, Franco resisted the Führer's threats and cajolery and did not permit the Wehrmacht to enter Spain, carry out Hitler's plan to close the Mediterranean to British shipping and consequently force the end of World War II in 1940 before the United States could be ready to enter. The real events depicted in this narrative did occur and this one man's actions, although entirely self serving on behalf of Spain, may well have tipped the balance of World War II in favor of the allies."

http://hitlerstoppedbyfranco.com/franco_hitler.htm

PS

Franco was also a benefactor of Ante Pavelic, during his rule Spain offered shelter to Ustasha refugees. :)

[Ace Rimmer]

Let's begin with this amazing excerpt from Hannah Arendt's famous book Eichmann in Jerusalem:

Why is the testimony of aged Jewish woman so amazing Petr?

Even more interesting was the fact that the S.S. Intelligence service had discovered that nearly all members of the ruling clique in Croatia, from the head of government to the leader of the Ustashe, were married to Jewish women.

Please provide us this S.S. intelligence report.

Ante Pavelic's own wife, Mara Lovrencic, came from a family of assimilated Viennese Jews, and his chief aide in exile, Dido Kvaternik, was related to Josip Frank. "

How come then neither Zagreb nor Vienna's Jewish community don't posess any data on this woman?

"The exhibit sparked a small demonstration led by Mladen Schwartz, a Croatian nationalist born to Jewish parents. The motto of the gathering was “Jews out of Croatia.”

The guy is a joke and only media coverage he gets is when he is hosted and mocked in "Nocna Mora",
TV show which is best described as local equivalent of "Jerry Springer Show".
The support he gets on elections is barely enough to form soccer team.

[Petr]

Why is the testimony of aged Jewish woman so amazing Petr?

Because even Croats like Srecko Psenicnik and "Zvaci" seem to agree with her on this issue.


Petr

[Petr]

And Zvaci, Franco's mere refusal to co-operate with Hitler is not any sort of evidence for his Jewishness. Even our conservative Marshal C.G.F. Mannerheim was very reluctant to be his ally.

That source of yours does not provide any documentation to prove its claim of Franco's Marrano ancestry.


Petr

[Ace Rimmer]

I do not deny involvement of Jews either, but it is taken way out of the context by Serbian sources you quoted.
The persons we are talking about here are for the most 1/4 Jewish,
which is acceptable even by German Nuernberg racial laws adopted by Croatian state.

Besides , don't mind me for being skeptical and reserved on Serbian and Jewish sources speaking on Croatia.
No matter the subject being WWII or any other matter.

Grom

[Petr]

Besides , don't mind me for being skeptical and reserved on Serbian and Jewish sources speaking on Croatia.
No matter the subject being WWII or any other matter.

I know, and that's why I also quoted people like this:


* "Dr. Srecko Psenicnik, a former Ustashe official and Dr. Ante Pavelic's son-in-law, married to his younger daughter, Marija-Seka."


http://www.ex-yupress.com/globus/globus2.html

...

Will you, as a direct heir to Dr. Ante Pavelic and the president of the HOP, apologize to the Jews in the first homeland issue of "NDH" for everything they went through in NDH?

I think that the Jews fared better in Croatia than in any other European state which was engulfed in the war. Mr. [Simon] Wiesenthal [a "Nazi hunter"] also knows that although he doesn't want to admit it.

There were several Jews in the Croatian government, Poglavnik's wife was of the Jewish origin, as well as the wife of Slavko Kvaternik."


Petr

[Watzy]

Hmm, at some point in the past I made a comment about Ustasha Jews, but your response at the time gave the impression of them as simply remnants of the old Austro-Hungarian staffers

True, they were mostly remnants of Jews from other parts of the monarchy. They were mostly loyal subjects, well integrated into Croatian society providing no reason to regard them as hostile or dangerous. Quite contrary - because they were Austro-Hungarian they resented the new Yugoslav state just like Croatian nationalists did.

...and that in a post-war environment they would have been liquidated without delay.

Without doubt. After the victory of the Axis, there would be nothing to prevent Nazis to enforce their racial policy to the entire continent - including Croatia. Pavelic would simply had to go along with Hitler's demands no matter how bizarre or barbaric they would have been. He owned Croatia's independence to Hitler.

Are these divergent views simply matters of changing opinion, or are they based in any concrete history?

What divergent views? I do not deny Jews would be spared in Croatia dominated by Nazi Germany, especially not after Hitlers victory. Croatia would have had no other choice but to cooperate in order to preserve it's place into Europe's new Nazi order.

[Watzy]

That source of yours does not provide any documentation to prove its claim of Franco's Marrano ancestry.


Petr

Your (biased) source does not provide documentation concerning ancestry of mentioned ustasha leaders, so what makes it more credible in respect to my source about Franco's ancestry? :confused:

[Ace Rimmer]

Ok, just a side note.


[Will you, as a direct heir to Dr. Ante Pavelic and the president of the HOP, apologize to the Jews in the first homeland issue of "NDH" for everything they went through in NDH?
I think that the Jews fared better in Croatia than in any other European state which was engulfed in the war. Mr. [Simon] Wiesenthal [a "Nazi hunter"] also knows that although he doesn't want to admit it.


Now this is very idiotic statement, the regime that gassed some 30 000 and deported 30 000 more to various concentration camps in Germany and Poland was somehow Jewish utopia in Europe?

I think a lot of these aged Nazi and Ustashe officials are just trying to get them self off the hook,
and should not be considered as reliable source of information.

[Petr]

Your (biased) source does not provide documentation concerning ancestry of mentioned ustasha leaders

Yes it did. For example:


From a pro-Croatian site that defends Ustasha against war-crime accusations:

http://www.mcadams-croatia.net/wp_on_a_artukovic.htm

"W. H. Allen, in his book, The Destruction of the European Jews, noted that: (German Police Attache- SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer) "Helm added that the problem of honorary Aryans was admittedly unsolved; some of them were still holding office." Helm remarked that quite a few Croat leaders had strong family ties with Jews and that "some cabinet members had Jewish wives." (16)



Let's see a similarly precise citation on Franco.


Petr

[Watzy]

Yes it did. For example:


From a pro-Croatian site that defends Ustasha against war-crime accusations:

http://www.mcadams-croatia.net/wp_on_a_artukovic.htm

"W. H. Allen, in his book, The Destruction of the European Jews, noted that: (German Police Attache- SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer) "Helm added that the problem of honorary Aryans was admittedly unsolved; some of them were still holding office." Helm remarked that quite a few Croat leaders had strong family ties with Jews and that "some cabinet members had Jewish wives." (16)



Let's see a similarly precise citation on Franco.


Petr

This is hardly a documentation about anybody in particular, but a non-specified information from the second hand (a nazi policeman about Croatia's 'honorary Aryans'.)

The 'honorary Aryan' classification was a Nazi institution invented for cases of those Jews they weren't willing or prepared to eliminate.
Naturally, such classifications weren't practiced in Ustasha ranks prior to 1941.


"- most difficult of all were the products of intermarriage. While these had partly Jewish ‘blood’, they also had German ‘blood’. It became a real exercise in splitting hairs to determine where the line should be drawn between those who could be accepted as sufficiently German and those who would not. Even then, for those who would have been classified as ‘Jewish’ but who had connections to influential Nazis, they could be exempted as ‘honorary Aryans’."

http://husky1.stmarys.ca/~wmills/course203/17holocaust.html

Hitler's Jewish Soldiers

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitmugshots.jpg
Side and front photographs of "half-Jew" Anton Mayer

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitbooklet.jpg
Military service book of half-Jew Hermann Aub

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitgeitner.jpg
Half-Jew Horst Geitner was awarded both the Iron Cross Second Class and the Silver Wound Badge.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitgoldberg.jpg
This photo of half-Jew Werner Goldberg, who was blond and blue-eyed, was used by a Nazi propaganda newspaper for its title page. Its caption: "The Ideal German Soldier."

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitascher.jpg
Half-Jew Commander Paul Ascher, Admiral Lütjens's first staff officer on the battleship Bismarck; Ascher received Hitler's Deutschblütigkeitserklärung. (Military awards: EKI, EKII, and War Service Cross Second Class.)

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitrogge.jpg
Quarter-Jew Admiral Bernhard Rogge wearing the Ritterkreuz; he received Hitler's Deutschblütigkeitserklärung. (Military awards: oak leaves to Ritterkreuz, Ritterkreuz, samurai sword from the emperor of Japan, EKI, and EKII.)

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitzukertort.jpg
Half-Jew Johannes Zukertort (last rank general) received Hitler's Deutschblütigkeitserklärung.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitholleander.jpg
Half-Jew Colonel Walter H. Hollaender, decorated with the Ritterkreuz and German-Cross in Gold; he received Hitler's Deutschblütigkeitserklärung. (Military awards: Ritterkreuz, German-Cross in Gold, EKI, EKII, and Close Combat Badge.)

[Watzy]

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitwilberg.jpg
Half-Jew and later Luftwaffe General Helmut Wilberg; Hitler declared him Aryan in 1935. (Military awards: Hohenzollern's Knight's Cross with Swords, EKI, EKII.)

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitmilch.jpg
Half-Jew and field-marshal Erhard Milch (left) with General Wolfram von Richthofen. Hitler declared Milch Aryan. He was awarded the Ritterkreuz for his performance during the campaign in Norway in 1940.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/images/righitheinrici.jpg
General Gotthard Heinrici, who was married to a half-Jew, meeting Hitler in 1937.

http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/righit.html

[Hakluyt]

What divergent views? I do not deny Jews would be spared in Croatia dominated by Nazi Germany, especially not after Hitlers victory. Croatia would have had no other choice but to cooperate in order to preserve it's place into Europe's new Nazi order.
This is reasonable, Zvaci, I didn't realise you had drawn the distinction between a Hitler-dominated Croatia and otherwise.

[Watzy]

In Mediterranean countries Jews have also tended to "blend in" physically a whole lot easier than in Germanic or Slavic countries.

Rubbish. Reinland Jews are physically indistinguishable in respect to Germans.

And take a look at a Russian nationalist (Jew) Zhirinovsky, physically blended-in to Slavs.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/570000/images/_573852_zhirinovsky_150.jpg

"a notorious anti-Semite - has stopped denying that his father was a Jew"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1446759.stm

[Petr]

Rubbish. Reinland Jews are physically indistinguishable in respect to Germans.

Not completely, but I agree that Ashkenazi Jews are nearly not all swarthy Middle Eastern types. The Jewish Encyclopedia gives some interesting statistics on the appearances of German-Jewish children, based upon the comprehensive study of German schoolchildren in the 1870s:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=371&letter=T&search=virchow


"From extensive investigations of the color of the hair and eyes of the school-children in Germany, Virchow has shown that the Jews have not maintained their type in as pure a state as has been generally supposed. Of 75,377 Jewish children examined, only 46.83 per cent were brunettes having both dark hair and dark eyes; 11.17 per cent were blonds having light hair and light-colored eyes; and 42 per cent were of the mixed type having either dark hair with fair eyes, or vice versa. In Austria, according to Schimmer, 32 to 47 per cent (according to the province) of the Jewish children are pure brunettes, and 8 to 14 per cent are pure blonds."


(Rudolf Virchow was a Gentile, by the way, and a famous scientist)


Petr