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10-31-2006, 04:49 PM
Danes' growing hostility to mixed-race couples
Immigration laws force spouses to live in Sweden
Jeffrey Fleishman, Los Angeles Times

Sunday, September 19, 2004

09-19) 04:00 PST Copenhagen , Denmark -- The train is sleek and fast that each night carries Christina Reves away from her country and toward her husband. It races through Denmark's scattered marshes and clicks over a bridge and across the water, stopping 35 minutes later in Sweden.

Reves, a Dane, is married to Walid Badawi, an Egyptian. The couple -- and more than 1,200 like them -- will tell you that love knows no bounds until it encounters Danish immigration laws. This nation is increasingly anti- foreigner, and its strict marriage regulations are sending hundreds of culturally mixed couples into exile each year.

"I cross what is known as 'Love Bridge' every night to Sweden, and we joke that we're love's refugees," said Reves, who is training in Copenhagen to be a real estate agent.

"I feel betrayed and sad. It's not just the rightist politicians. It's the Danish people, too. We've become very small-minded. We're such a rich country, but those of us who married foreigners can't share it with our spouses."

Suspicion of immigrants has helped propel the rise of the right-wing Danish People's Party, which won 12 percent of the vote in the last federal election and is a key member of the coalition government. The party's platform, according to its Web site, is clear: "Denmark belongs to the Danes and its citizens must be able to live in a secure community ... developing only along the lines of Danish culture."

The European Council in July criticized Denmark's legislation on immigrants as a threat to human rights. The laws are a complicated mix of financial, housing, age and national loyalty requirements that critics say deter mixed marriages.

One of the most contentious provisions holds that both partners be at least 24 years old.

Rightist politicians say the legislation prevents poor immigrants from overrunning the welfare system and protects Muslim girls from forced marriages, which Integration Minister Bertel Haarder has described as an "offense" to freedom. Immigrants and asylum-seekers make up about 8 percent of Denmark's population of 5.3 million. Three percent of the population is Muslim, and the government has imposed some of Europe's toughest restrictions on Islamic clerics.

The human rights group Marriage Without Borders is active in Denmark and Sweden, and many couples are trying to outmaneuver Danish laws. A Dane living in Sweden for two years is eligible for Swedish citizenship. With a Swedish passport, the native Dane can return to Denmark with his or her foreign spouse under the protection of European Union regulations.

"When you turn on the news in Denmark, all they talk about is democracy," said Mohssine Boudal, a Moroccan married to a Dane and living in Sweden. "But look at our situation. We can't live in Denmark. That's not democratic at all. It's a contradiction."

Anti-immigration sentiment is spreading across a historically liberal Northern Europe and Scandinavia, a region that these days worries about diluting national identities and funding the world's most generous health and social programs. Attitudes toward foreigners have hardened since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and as records show a disproportionate number of immigrants committing crimes.

Danes in mixed marriages say they suffer discrimination that most Westerners seldom encounter. They move away from friends and family. Because they live in Sweden, they often cannot vote in Denmark, yet many of them pay as much as 38 percent of their wages in Danish taxes.

They are caught in an odd commuter existence, shuttling twice a day between Copenhagen and Sweden, weighing love and prejudice, and the lost entitlements between.

Officials in Malmo, the Swedish city on the other end of the Love Bridge, estimate that 1,200 mixed-marriage couples from Denmark have migrated across the Oresund strait since 2002. Fifty to 60 more arrive in Sweden each month.

"It's not Walid's rights that have been violated here. It's mine," said Reves, who is the daughter of a bank executive and a pharmacist and grew up in an affluent Copenhagen suburb. "Europe has been at peace for 60 years. Most Danes haven't suffered. They've forgotten about compassion. They don't understand how foreigners struggle. Danes have become so frightened someone will take something from them."

Reves met Badawi in 2001. He was living in Egypt and was visiting his father, who decades earlier had moved to Denmark as a guest worker. The couple married in Cairo in November 2003. Danish law required that if they wanted to live in Copenhagen, Reves would have to earn enough to support Walid, keep a balance of $8,600 in her bank account and have a permanent apartment. Mixed- marriage couples are not permitted to live with their families.

"I lost my patience," said Reves, who studies and works in Copenhagen while Walid, who has an economics degree, works 70 hours a week as a cook in Malmo, Sweden. "I said, 'If they don't want us, we'll live somewhere else.' I wouldn't want to bring up children in a country like that."

Bolette Kornum works as an "integration consultant" in a Denmark government office that assists foreigners with language classes and immigration and refugee issues, such as family reunification. She knows how difficult that can be. Kornum said she became exasperated in 2003 when she and her new Egyptian husband tried to move from Cairo to Denmark.

"I applied to get my husband in through family reunification and was told a decision would take eight to 10 months," said Kornum, sitting at an outdoor restaurant as a breeze lifted off the Malmo coastline. "Then a lady informed me I wouldn't get it anyway because I had spent so many years in Egypt that the Danes might question my allegiance to Denmark."

Kornum had studied and worked in Egypt for four years. She and her husband, Osama Doss, were married in 2001 -- the same year the Danish People's Party gained momentum. The Danish government passed stricter marriage and asylum laws in 2002, and the couple decided to stay in Egypt. A year later, Kornum and Doss, a former car-parts dealer working on a master's degree in electronic commerce, again tried to move to Denmark, but instead settled in Sweden.

"We don't know what we'll do now," she said. "If the right wing stays in the coalition after next year's election, I'll stay in Sweden."

Tina Aalling cried the day the Danish government informed her that she wasn't eligible to vote in her native country. "I never thought in all my life this would happen," said Aalling, who lives in Malmo with her Moroccan husband, Mohssine Boudal, and their 11-month-old son, Elias.

Aalling met Boudal on vacation in Spain in 2002. The son of an electrical engineer, Boudal speaks five languages and is well acquainted with the immigrant odyssey. He studied literature in Spain and later moved to the Netherlands, where he worked for a shipping company. The couple kept a cross- border relationship; Aalling was studying in Denmark when she became pregnant. Boudal had to return to Morocco for three months before he was granted a Danish visa.

They married in October 2003 but couldn't meet the financial and housing requirements of Danish law. They moved to Malmo several months later.

The other day, Aalling and Boudal sat on the couch in their apartment as Elias wandered amid his toys. They are divided about the future.

"I'm staying in Sweden," Boudal said.

"I want to go back to Denmark, but I'm so bitter," Aalling said.

Boudal smiled. "All this," he said, "just to be together."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/a/2004/09/19/MNG1B8QA361.DTL

B-Pep
10-31-2006, 05:18 PM
Go Danes! :viking:


"I'm staying in Sweden," Boudal said.

LOL, speaks volumes about Sweden.

Dr. Gutberlet
10-31-2006, 05:39 PM
The Danes get my respect for being the most conservative nation in the region. I hope they take it to the next step, where they criminalize such degenerate behaviors.:viking:

NoSugar
10-31-2006, 05:56 PM
If they want to marry a foreigner, they should leave and stay abroad.

Then they'll know what they'll choose for and what they want to inflict on the rest of us.

Osmium14
10-31-2006, 06:00 PM
Interracial couples are disgusting. Whether it be an Oriental/Asian woman with a White man or a Negroe with a White woman,they're both despicable.

calvin
10-31-2006, 06:05 PM
Why doesn't this woman demonstrate her love and cultural tolerance by pissing of to Egypt. The typical arab's love of his culture doesn't extent to willingly living in a country where it is dominant when he or she can live in Europe or America. If it was about love this couple would live together in Egypt.

NoSugar
10-31-2006, 06:13 PM
If it was about love this couple would live together in Egypt.That's right. If it was about love, they wouldn't care where they could live.

Winston
10-31-2006, 07:06 PM
This is excellent news. I feel for those who're made to feel like outsiders, but for the common good this is a grand thing.

Arminius
10-31-2006, 07:36 PM
That's right. If it was about love, they wouldn't care where they could live.

Yes, however economically it might not be as good, depending on the profession of the man. There may be more opportunities in Europe than in Africa. This couple could easily move to a country which doesn't mind mixed-couples. Living in America and seeing many whites and blacks living together, I somehow feel weird when Europeans get worked up over an Egyptian with a Dane. The contrast is astounding. A Caucasian and a Negro is one thing. However, a Caucasian and a Caucasian... I see nothing wrong with that. The only things that may be issues are the cultural/religious aspects.

Dr. Gutberlet
10-31-2006, 07:43 PM
Yes, however economically it might not be as good, depending on the profession of the man. There may be more opportunities in Europe than in Africa. This couple could easily move to a country which doesn't mind mixed-couples. Living in America and seeing many whites and blacks living together, I somehow feel weird when Europeans get worked up over an Egyptian with a Dane. The contrast is astounding. A Caucasian and a Negro is one thing. However, a Caucasian and a Caucasian... I see nothing wrong with that. The only things that may be issues are the cultural/religious aspects.


That, and the fact that he's probably either brown or a swarthoid.

http://www.yachtaragorn.com/photos/Gallery/ThreeEgyptianMen.jpg

Jimbo Gomez
10-31-2006, 08:27 PM
I have more and more respect for the Danes every day.

NoSugar
10-31-2006, 09:19 PM
Living in America and seeing many whites and blacks living together, I somehow feel weird when Europeans get worked up over an Egyptian with a Dane. The contrast is astounding. A Caucasian and a Negro is one thing. However, a Caucasian and a Caucasian... I see nothing wrong with that. The only things that may be issues are the cultural/religious aspects.Ethnically, they are different enough from Europeans.

Jimbo Gomez
10-31-2006, 09:21 PM
Ethnically, they are different enough from Europeans.


They're africans ffs!

Northern_Paladin
10-31-2006, 09:34 PM
Egyptians are Meds mixed with Arabs, Moors and Negroes. Significantly different than I would say even your average Southern European much less a Northern one. I think Danes are moving in a positive direction, a direction they need to move toward if they are to preserve their cultural heritage.

FAF
10-31-2006, 09:44 PM
Egyptians are Meds mixed with Arabs, Moors and Negroes. Significantly different than I would say even your average Southern European much less a Northern one. I think Danes are moving in a positive direction, a direction they need to move toward if they are to preserve their cultural heritage.

if you want a whole psychological break down on why people become race traitors please please check out this link....why marry a loser?
time is better spent improving your own community and making winners rather than wasting a century or three trying to get blood out of a stone. you dont see the giraffe dating a hippo do you? mind you they dont mention how overweight/desperate the white traitors were......
http://www.heretical.com/main.html

http://www.heretical.com/sheppard/wfpim.html

happy reading and remember that they are lying to us every day on TV:welcome:

Northern_Paladin
10-31-2006, 09:50 PM
if you want a whole psychological break down on why people become race traitors please please check out this link....why marry a loser?
time is better spent improving your own community and making winners rather than wasting a century or three trying to get blood out of a stone. you dont see the giraffe dating a hippo do you? mind you they dont mention how overweight/desperate the white traitors were......
http://www.heretical.com/main.html

http://www.heretical.com/sheppard/wfpim.html

happy reading and remember that they are lying to us every day on TV:welcome:

I don't think it's quite that simple. But it's probably true to say that most who are race traitors have some inferiority complex/self hatred.

Arminius
11-01-2006, 02:14 AM
Ethnically, they are different enough from Europeans.

That's obvious. However, ethnically, a Finn is different from a Spaniard. They live on the same continent, but so? Europeans aren't ethnically united. What's geography have to do with the race of those individuals? My argument was racial in nature.

Starr
11-01-2006, 02:59 AM
They've forgotten about compassion. They don't understand how foreigners struggle. Danes have become so frightened someone will take something from them."

Why should foriegners be anyone else's concern? Compassion needs to start at home. Where is her compassion for her own people and some of the concerns they may have about the country they live in and their culture loosing any more of its identity? And about all of the problems that these foreigners that need "compassion" may bring with them?

"Denmark belongs to the Danes and its citizens must be able to live in a secure community ... developing only along the lines of Danish culture

Real and positive compassion exists in these words.:)

Dr. Gutberlet
11-01-2006, 04:04 AM
That's obvious. However, ethnically, a Finn is different from a Spaniard. They live on the same continent, but so? Europeans aren't ethnically united. What's geography have to do with the race of those individuals? My argument was racial in nature.

Ethnically but not physically. I know ppl from both nations, and these particular individuals are virtually indistinguishable if they don't utter a word.

Count Sudoku
11-01-2006, 04:14 AM
if you want a whole psychological break down on why people become race traitors please please check out this link....why marry a loser?
time is better spent improving your own community and making winners rather than wasting a century or three trying to get blood out of a stone. you dont see the giraffe dating a hippo do you? mind you they dont mention how overweight/desperate the white traitors were......
http://www.heretical.com/main.html

http://www.heretical.com/sheppard/wfpim.html

happy reading and remember that they are lying to us every day on TV:welcome:

That's a pretty interesting site you posted there. Thanks, and if you know of others along those lines, please post some more!

Arminius
11-01-2006, 04:21 AM
Ethnically but not physically.

This is in congruence with what I have said.

Kodos
11-01-2006, 04:44 AM
Yes, however economically it might not be as good, depending on the profession of the man. There may be more opportunities in Europe than in Africa. This couple could easily move to a country which doesn't mind mixed-couples. Living in America and seeing many whites and blacks living together, I somehow feel weird when Europeans get worked up over an Egyptian with a Dane. The contrast is astounding. A Caucasian and a Negro is one thing. However, a Caucasian and a Caucasian... I see nothing wrong with that. The only things that may be issues are the cultural/religious aspects.

Muslim arabs are white?

Winston
11-01-2006, 12:27 PM
That's a pretty interesting site you posted there. Thanks, and if you know of others along those lines, please post some more!

Make sure you read the O'Farrell columns.

Arminius
11-01-2006, 12:41 PM
Muslim arabs are white?

I didn't say "White" anywhere. The reason for that is because the term "White" is not a good judge of the race of a person at all. I prefer to use terms like Caucasian. What is a White person, a European-Caucasian (depends on who you ask)? I think it was established that Egypt is in Africa, and Africa isn't in Europe. You also mention religion, which doesn't matter in the case of race. The fact is that I stated that Egyptians are Caucasians. I have no problem with two Caucasians marrying.

Delos, as far as I know, the man isn't a negro.

Dr. Gutberlet
11-01-2006, 03:01 PM
Does anyone find it surprising that there is never a picture of the two in question when dealing with interracial marriage?

How about we add a photo or two to the article:

http://us.inmagine.com/168nwm/imagesource/is530/is530043.jpg http://www.tameside.gov.uk/corpgen1/mixedcouple.jpg

And don't get me started with this line :mad:
And this is journalese / poetic license for "this man is a drifter".

The "man" in your second pic is almost invisible to the unaided eye. Here are some that I found. All from "rainbow love type of sites".

http://www.coloroftherainbow.com/assets/images/fampic.jpg

http://users2.ev1.net/~crusader/images/allen_angel_new_years_eve2c.jpg

Draugen
11-01-2006, 09:52 PM
http://users2.ev1.net/~crusader/images/allen_angel_new_years_eve2c.jpg

According to our society that is a success story, since they're both very happy...

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-09-2006, 02:22 AM
I didn't say "White" anywhere. The reason for that is because the term "White" is not a good judge of the race of a person at all. I prefer to use terms like Caucasian. What is a White person, a European-Caucasian (depends on who you ask)? I think it was established that Egypt is in Africa, and Africa isn't in Europe. You also mention religion, which doesn't matter in the case of race. The fact is that I stated that Egyptians are Caucasians. I have no problem with two Caucasians marrying.

Delos, as far as I know, the man isn't a negro.
Finally some sanity...you may have potential as a race realist.

brigadier Biggles
11-09-2006, 04:01 PM
i didn't even know a "danish community" existed in England let alone East Anglia...it even has a website, http://www.danfolk.co.uk/.

when arabs or whatever move in you know about it though :deadhorse: :whip: