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Billy Score
10-31-2006, 09:02 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061031/ap_on_re_af/obit_botha

By CLARE NULLIS, Associated Press Writer
8 minutes ago



CAPE TOWN, South Africa - P.W. Botha, the apartheid-era president who led South Africa through its worst racial violence and deepest international isolation, died Tuesday. He was 90.

Botha died at his home on the southern Cape coast at 8 p.m., according to the South African Press Association. "Botha died at home, peacefully," Capt. Frikkie Lucas was quoted as saying.

The African National Congress issued a statement expressing condolences and wishing his family "strength and comfort at this difficult time."

Nicknamed the "Old Crocodile" for his feared temper and sometimes ruthless manner, Botha served as head of the white racist government from 1978 to 1989.

Throughout his leadership he resisted mounting pressure to free South Africa's most famous political prisoner, Nelson Mandela. Mandela was released by Botha's successor, F.W. de Klerk in 1990.

Botha liked to depict himself as the first South African leader to pursue race reform, but he tenaciously defended the framework of apartheid, sharply restricting the activities of black political organizations and detaining more than 30,000 people.

Through a series of liberalizing moves, Botha sought support among the Asian and mixed-race communities by creating separate parliamentary chambers. He lifted restrictions on interracial sex and marriage. He met with Mandela during his last year as president.

But after each step forward, there was a backlash, resulting in the 1986 state of emergency declaration and the worst reprisals of more than four decades of apartheid.

Botha's intransigence on releasing Mandela led the anti-apartheid Johannesburg Daily, Business Day, to write: "The government is now the prisoner of its prisoner; it cannot escape his embrace."

Within a year after Botha stepped down, de Klerk released Mandela after 27 years in prison and put South Africa on the road to its first all-race elections in 1994, when Mandela became president.

In December 1997, Botha stubbornly resisted appearing before a panel investigating apartheid-era crimes. He risked criminal penalties by repeatedly defying subpoenas from the Truth and Reconciliation Commission to testify about the State Security Council that he headed.

The council was believed to have sanctioned the killing and torture of anti-apartheid activists, and the panel wanted to know what Botha's involvement was.

Born Jan. 12, 1916, the son of a farmer in the rural Orange Free State province, Botha never served in the military or graduated from college. He quit university in 1935 to become a National Party organizer.

During World War II, Botha joined the Ossewabrandwag (Ox Wagon Fire Guard), a group that was sympathetic to the Nazis and opposed South Africa's participation on the Allied side.

Botha won election to Parliament in 1948, the year the National Party came to power and began codifying apartheid legislation. He joined the Cabinet in 1961 and became defense minister in 1966.

As head of the white-minority government in 1978, Botha repeatedly stressed the paramount importance of national security. He charged that the anti-apartheid struggle was a "total onslaught" on South Africa instigated by communist forces.

During a series of gradual race reforms, he told white South Africans they must "adapt or die." A new constitution in 1983 gave Asians and mixed-race people a limited voice in government, but continued to exclude blacks.

The new law also drastically increased Botha's powers, changing his title from prime minister to president. He declared a national emergency in 1986 after widespread violence erupted in black areas, where anger focused on the new constitution.

State security forces brutally quelled the opposition, and one of his former lieutenants — police minister Adriaan Vlok — told the Truth Commission that Botha had personally congratulated Vlok for successfully bombing a building thought to harbor anti-apartheid activists and weapons.

But in documents submitted to the panel, Botha denied knowledge of the killings, torture and bombings.

Botha's reprisals against the black majority drew international economic sanctions against South Africa during the 1980s that contributed to apartheid's fall.

In July 1989, Mandela went from prison to Botha's official residence for a conversation, which increased speculation that Botha would free Mandela.

Mandela recalled going into the meeting thinking he was seeing "the very model of the old-fashioned, stiff-necked, stubborn Afrikaner who did not so much discuss matters with black leaders as dictate to them."

He found Botha holding out his hand and smiling broadly "and in fact, from that very first moment, he completely disarmed me," Mandela wrote in his autobiography.

Mandela said the only tense moment was when he asked Botha to release all political prisoners — including himself — unconditionally.

"Mr. Botha said that he was afraid he could not do that," Mandela wrote.

The meeting was one of Botha's last acts before he was ousted as National Party leader by de Klerk in September 1989.

Botha refused to attend a farewell banquet held in his honor by the party he had served for 54 years. After 1990, he quit the National Party.

Botha's foremost loyalties were to his fellow Afrikaners, yet his moves to extend limited political power to nonwhites prompted a mass defection of hard-line segregationists from the National Party in 1982.

Beeld, an Afrikaans-language daily that supported Botha for many years, said, "The last image that will linger ... is that of a blind Samson who with his last strength tried to overturn the pillars of his party on himself and his own companions."

Jimbo Gomez
10-31-2006, 09:04 PM
Rest in peace Pieter Willem.

Mackie
10-31-2006, 09:05 PM
Indeed. I lower my hat to the chest for that.

Farkas
11-01-2006, 09:27 PM
PW Botha died yesterday evening in his house near Wilderness in the Western Cape. He died because of a heart attack.

For those that don't know who Botha was, he was the first and last (real) president of South Africa. Most pro-HNP supporters of today still regard him as the best Prime Minister and certainly the best President that South Africa ever had.

This thread is dedicated to him. Mistakes are corrected in blue.

In 1966 you became the Minister of Defence, appointed by Prime Minister BJ Vorster. In 1978, Vorster decided to quit and you replaced him as the new Prime Minister. You still believed that military improvement should be done and you decided to improve the military. That is where you claimed the title "Die Groot Krokodil" given by your people.

When Angola and Mozambique communist terrorists treathened your country together with Cuban and Russian Soviet bastards you did everything that was in your power to send the scum back home in bodybags. While the European Union, the United States and many other nations condemned your actions and your boys' courage, you showed them that they could go f*ck themselves! They demonised these brave lads and you by saying it was a racist war. You showed them that they could put their insults in the ass! You were not the only brave man in your familiy. Your father fought alongside his comrades during the Anglo-Boer War against the English yoke. Just like you, he fought for his country's freedom.

In 1984 you became the first President of South Africa. The first and the best with your folk and nation close to your heart. Unfortunately the world did not share your views and you were forced to back off and change some laws. Mixed marriages had to be allowed and you were forced to allow kaffirs into the White cities, something that meant the end to the old South Africa. Coloureds and Indians received their own parliament with voting rights. The kaffir tension was high, but you remained to say no. Even though it was a terrible mistake to allow them in the White cities, you did your best for your country.

When you suffered a stroke in 1989, the wolf in disguise FW De Klerk replaced you. That traitor stabbed you in the back and he sold out your country to the kaffirs, the nations worst plague.

When the new bastard government tried to give you a Nuremberg trial, you did not show up and showed them that they could forget an apoligy. You decided to retreat to Wilderness and live a modest life. On your 90th birthday, you stated that you had no remorse to the way you ruled. No kaffir-feet kissing for you, Botha. That is one of the reasons why you make many of us proud! In Wilderness you gave the world your last breath and decided to venture on journey to heaven, where God himself will receive you.

Even though I am an AWB supporter, I still honour you as a worthy leader and I am sure that many White South African patriots will carry you in their hearts.

Rus in vrede, Groot Krokodil!

http://www.dadalos.org/int/Menschenrechte/Grundkurs_MR5/Apartheid/Apartheid/Entwicklung/Botha.jpg http://www.biltong2u.co.uk/groceryshop/saflagold.JPG http://www.sahistory.org.za/pages/people/images/PW-Botha.jpg

Pieter Willem "Die Groot Krokodil" Botha
12/01/1916 - 31/10/2006

Source: Wikipedia for certain dates.

Commander
11-01-2006, 10:46 PM
I saw that on the news yesterday. Mr. Botha was a very brave man to stand up to the Reds & World Jewry all those years. That Black Nazi terrorist Mandela (http://www.jtf.org/israel/israel.black.nazi.nelson.mandela.htm) & his African Nazi Congress, sure have advanced the agenda of the Kill Whitey crowd in South Africa.

Farkas
11-04-2006, 07:58 AM
Mr. Botha also removed the law against interracial marriage, that was why his party collapsed and he was voted out as leader.

He was not voted out as leader, he suffered a stroke in 1989 and that traitor of a De Klerk had to replace him. He negotiated with Mandela (Botha did not) and he released that terrorist son of a bitch. Later he allowed the one man, one vote-rule and that is how Mandela became president.

Farkas
11-04-2006, 12:20 PM
He was voted out, but after he suffered a stroke it was then that the majority wanted him out because they didn't feel he was capable of being the leader any more. Had he been universally loved, a stroke wouldn't have stopped him staying in.

This is what the Wikipedophiles say about him at his last moments of rule:

Botha's downfall
Botha's uncompromising policies greatly polarised his own party's views and eventually led to feuding within the National Party. In February 1989, he suffered a mild stroke and, caving in to cabinet pressure, resigned. The conservative-moderate Frederik W. de Klerk became state president later that year. Within months of the collapse of the Berlin Wall, de Klerk had announced the legalization of anti-apartheid groups – including the African National Congress – and the release of Nelson Mandela. De Klerk's rule saw the dismantling of the apartheid system and negotiations that eventually led to South Africa's first racially all-inclusive democratic elections on April 27, 1994. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Willem_Botha#Botha.27s_downfall)
Yes, but it was PW who let africans into government in the first place, and it was him who allowed them to make laws for their sections of South Africa.

No, he let Indians and Coloureds into parliament. He refused blacks getting into parliament. The White parliament remained stronger than the Coloured and Indian parliament together. He had to let Indians and Africans into parliament, because America and Europe was putting too much pressure on him.

The only thing he could have done to save White South Africans was allowing the AWB to have their Volksstaat, which rightfully belonged to the Boers.

BillOfLanding
11-04-2006, 03:31 PM
One of Botha´s few official foreign visits while in office was to the Portuguese island of Madeira, which has a very large community in SA. The left wing central Portuguese government was embarrased by this visit, which occured during the height of international sanctions against South Africa.

http://www.rtp.pt/index.php?article=258679&visual=16

Em meados da década de 80, antes de ter sido forçado a passar o poder ao "reformador" Frederik Wilem de Klerk, PW Botha, que na altura não podia pisar solo da grande maioria dos países democráticos da Europa e do mundo, visitou oficialmente a ilha da Madeira a convite de Alberto João Jardim, para desespero do governo central, que na altura tudo tentou para evitar o embaraço de acolher Botha (e o seu ministro dos estrangeiros "Pik" Botha) em solo português.

Farkas
11-10-2006, 02:46 PM
Do you not just contradict yourself here?

That should have been Indians and Coloureds. Sorry for the mixup.

Indeed. I still support Orania and the Volksstaat

Orania seems like a dream place in South Africa, but it does not have its own economy and when the shit hits the fan with Uhuru, they will have problems feeding themselves.

The Volksstaat is the best idea because there is a lot of farmland there and there is still place for industry.