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SS-18
11-05-2006, 09:25 AM
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-6AYHYYJU4
Petyr Baelish
11-05-2006, 09:44 AM
Belov is a very inspiring speaker...
K stati, ty sam ne uchastvoval? :D
Captain Marinesko
11-11-2006, 07:17 AM
That's such a farce. These Russian fascists are a joke, and have to be completely out of their minds to think that they are going to accomplish anything with their bizarre theories and treasonous claims. That and they tolerate all manner of degenerates from the West so long as they talk their ears off about "Aryans" and "Jews".
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-11-2006, 07:31 AM
The funny thing is that Russians, and other slavs are not "aryan" according to Hitler. Having Russian Nazis is like having Jewish Nazis. It's just as stupid.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/004886.htm
Russian nationalism needs to divorce itself from anti-Russian ideologies. Someone needs to call a spade a spade and let people know that this is retarded.
Captain Marinesko
11-11-2006, 07:37 AM
The funny thing is that Russians, and other slavs are not "aryan" according to Hitler. Having Russian Nazis is like having Jewish Nazis. It's just as stupid.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/004886.htm
Russian nationalism needs to divorce itself from anti-Russian ideologies. Someone needs to call a spade a spade and let people know that this is retarded.
Ogenoct and me were doing just that last weekend. I don't think it worked.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-11-2006, 07:39 AM
You have to understand that some people stick their head so far up their *sses that you can't yank it out. In that case you dehumanize them, and use them as a scapegoat. You make an example of them. That's my philosophy of how to deal with ignorant people.
you people are talking pooh. face facts russians don't like muslims or other anti-social elements and they are no longer under a talmudic dictatorship (communism). they HAVE aryan roots (the vikings) and all your whining and pathetic little communist icons won't change a damn thing:rofl:
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-11-2006, 08:00 AM
This is what you people don't seem to understand. The jews in Russia are for long history a part of Russia, and this can be documented and proven with evidence, and they are more a part of Russia than Germans, and it is treason to take such a stance as these clowns have taken. It also will never succeed as its obviously just self-hating Russians who are looking to vent their anger. They have no cause to fight for, Hitler succeeded because he stood up for his people, these Russians are pretending to be something that they are not. It won't work.
This is what you people don't seem to understand. The jews in Russia are for long history a part of Russia, and this can be documented and proven with evidence, and they are more a part of Russia than Germans, and it is treason to take such a stance as these clowns have taken. It also will never succeed as its obviously just self-hating Russians who are looking to vent their anger. They have no cause to fight for, Hitler succeeded because he stood up for his people, these Russians are pretending to be something that they are not. It won't work.
it won't work...yeah right...that's why there is an increase in christianity and nationalism....are you on the moonshine my little chum? the jews controlled the soviet union (which was fought) and it collapsed. the soviet union imprisoned people, abolished the concept of private property (so the laptop you are using would have been confisctaed and you would have been sent to siberia...unless you were a politburo jew and then you would probably have kept other people's property)
jews a part of russian history like fleas leech a dog's blood. only a jew would say that. please explain the concept of kosher tax and "goyim" for the readers. shabbos goy in particular. man you are so blind i want to buy you a pair of gucci shaeds and a labrador!:dance2:
Arrow Cross
11-11-2006, 08:08 AM
What the hell is your problem again?
These people are Russian National Socialists, NEITHER your demonic "Hitler-worshippers", NOR Teutonists. National Socialism is an ideology, what makes you think it can't be implented to Russian conditions? The war 60 years ago? Then you are blinder than I thought.
Like every other White, European country, Russia too has a Jewish problem, an immigrant problem, a need for racial health and to overthrow the current, Capitalist government. The situation maybe better than in Western Europe, but still getting worse, as everywhere else. What would you say to these young, brave, patriotic men and women? You cannot want the same to your nation what the all-demonic Hitler wanted to his own people back in his time?
The NS system was a weapon in Hitler's hands. This weapon revived Germany and gave a golden age to its people, until the war started. In your perspective, why is it wrong to take the weapon of your enemy for your own use when it worked? Of course the sightless German-lovers and Hitler-worshippers are seriously wrong, but it is a mistake from everyone outside the former Reich. These Russians found instead their Russian way of the National Socialist worldview. This is its essence, it can be exported to any nation, who would then shape it to their own form.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-11-2006, 08:10 AM
so the laptop you are using would have been confisctaed and you would have been sent to siberia
I know of no laptop that I'm using...
Russians must stand united against nordic imperialism.
it won't work...yeah right...that's why there is an increase in christianity and nationalism
lol yeah its really successful. Ukraine, for heaven sakes is about to ban that potatao n***** David Duke out of it. The only thing that is working is resolute opposition to non-Russian and non-Ukranian ideologies.
Ahknaton
11-11-2006, 08:13 AM
The funny thing is that Russians, and other slavs are not "aryan" according to Hitler. Having Russian Nazis is like having Jewish Nazis. It's just as stupid.
Not really, unless you equate all forms of "National Socialism" with the specific tenets of Hitlerite Nazism. National Socialism is a superset of Nazism.
I know of no laptop that I'm using...
Russians must stand united against nordic imperialism.
stae your race, religion and location...you smell of talmudism!!!or are you a shabbos goy? or a little brown servant of tel aviv?:whip:
lol yeah its really successful. Ukraine, for heaven sakes is about to ban that potatao n***** David Duke out of it. The only thing that is working is resolute opposition to non-Russian and non-Ukranian ideologies.
who cares about ukraine? how do you explain the success of bielorussia ? a white state not destroyed by jewish capitalism? as i said before state your race & religion. just tell us you are anti-white!:dance2:
Russians must stand united against nordic imperialism.
what about talmudic imperialism? do you like the idea of living in a brown dictatorship? i bet you do...you little chechen twat:bbbat:
Captain Marinesko
11-11-2006, 11:48 AM
who cares about ukraine? how do you explain the success of bielorussia ? a white state not destroyed by jewish capitalism? as i said before state your race & religion. just tell us you are anti-white!:dance2:
I'm going to give you a chance to save yourself. If you tell me that English is not your first language, I will forgive you for this stupidity.
What I won't forgive you for is this particular message; were you or were you not aware that the REASON Belarus is working so well is because they preserved most of the socialist system?
:) I'm going to give you a chance to save yourself. If you tell me that English is not your first language, I will forgive you for this stupidity.
What I won't forgive you for is this particular message; were you or were you not aware that the REASON Belarus is working so well is because they preserved most of the socialist system?
national socialist you naughty little boy
Loukachenk is no friend of tel aviv. i will let you live out your communist fantasy for as long as you want. one day i am afraid to say you will have to grow up and leave these dreams behind :)
plus i don't want to be saved by Marx, what a horrible thought
Captain Marinesko
11-11-2006, 11:57 AM
:)
national socialist you naughty little boy
Loukachenk is no friend of tel aviv. i will let you live out your communist fantasy for as long as you want. one day i am afraid to say you will have to grow up and leave these dreams behind :)
plus i don't want to be saved by Marx, what a horrible thought
Ok retard. You called down the thunder.
The name is LUKASHENKO(Лукашенко), and if you weren't retarded, you would have known that Lukashenko's relationship with Israel has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Belarus' economic system.
Lukashenko took back the state industries from the privatizers and rebuilt and preserved a lot of the SOVIET socialist system.
Before you try to lecture me about Belarus- try looking up the president's name first. And no, it's not NATIONAL socialism- it's the remnant of SOVIET socialism.
Ok retard. You called down the thunder. :rofl:
The name is LUKASHENKO(Лукашенко), and if you weren't retarded, you would have known that Lukashenko's relationship with Israel has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Belarus' economic system. :)
Lukashenko took back the state industries from the privatizers and rebuilt and preserved a lot of the SOVIET socialist system.
Before you try to lecture me about Belarus- try looking up the president's name first. And no, it's not NATIONAL socialism- it's the remnant of SOVIET socialism.
white people in Bielorussia preserving whiteness. how come they happily beat the pan out of chechens, azeri's and scummy georgians? i see slavic people preserving slavic places. the soviet union was jewish exploitation through and through. and when they left their host after sucking it dry...it collapsed apart from areas high in slavic purity.
yeah so there:bitchfight:
Captain Marinesko
11-11-2006, 12:07 PM
white people in Bielorussia preserving whiteness. how come they happily beat the pan out of chechens, azeri's and scummy georgians? i see slavic people preserving slavic places. the soviet union was jewish exploitation through and through. and when they left their host after sucking it dry...it collapsed apart from areas high in slavic purity.
yeah so there:bitchfight:
Preserving whiteness, with SOCIALISM retard. How come they didn't have all those immigrants during the SOVIET times? You want to answer that?
The Soviet Union was Jewish exploitation? So Jews gave the Soviet peoples free education? Free health care? Cheap housing and transport? Guaranteed employment? The JEWS took the most backward nation in Europe and turned it into a military superpower that put the first man in space? That was JEWS?
Preserving whiteness, with SOCIALISM retard. How come they didn't have all those immigrants during the SOVIET times? You want to answer that?
The Soviet Union was Jewish exploitation? So Jews gave the Soviet peoples free education? Free health care? Cheap housing and transport? Guaranteed employment? The JEWS took the most backward nation in Europe and turned it into a military superpower that put the first man in space? That was JEWS?
Lenin = ethnic origin?
Stalin = Gori jew
Trotsky = ethnic origin?
yup they were smooth operators as they enslaved the slavic nations and made them do their bidding with massive land confiscations, secret police and executions etc etc the list goes on and on.
you seem to be blind to the fact that the decision makers commanded others what to do. and they all happened to be jewish. i can tell you are in denial about this, don't worry with some more therapy we can wean you off the hammer and sickle addiction.
stay strong, the end of your sickness will come soon and then we can let you leave the contaminated area:welcome:
Captain Marinesko
11-11-2006, 12:21 PM
Lenin = ethnic origin?
White
Stalin = Gori jew
Wrong.
Trotsky = ethnic origin?
Trotsky, opponent of Lenin, Stalin- a Menschevik who actively tried to sabotage the Soviet Union until his death.
yup they were smooth operators as they enslaved the slavic nations and made them do their bidding with massive land confiscations, secret police and executions etc etc the list goes on and on.
Free education, health care, industrialization, etc. the list goes on.
you seem to be blind to the fact that the decision makers commanded others what to do. and they all happened to be jewish. i can tell you are in denial about this, don't worry with some more therapy we can wean you off the hammer and sickle addiction.
No, actually you are wrong.
stay strong, the end of your sickness will come soon and then we can let you leave the contaminated area:welcome:
How old are you? Ten? Surely you're not Russian. If you were you would have properly spelled "Georgian" or used the Russian term for it.
Daniel Shays
11-11-2006, 01:41 PM
Loukachenk is no friend of tel aviv.
Neither was the USSR.
You know that in Belarus the national police are still called KGB and honor Dzerzhinsky?
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=13755
Petyr Baelish
11-11-2006, 10:13 PM
White
Lenin was 1/4th Kalmyck and and 1/4th Jewish, if I recall correctly. He was also half German; it's rather ironic that he is used to represent the ethnic Russian face of Bolshevism when he didn't have a drop of Russian blood in his veins.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-11-2006, 10:25 PM
I hear he was one quater Russian gentile.
But he's 100% white.
Petyr Baelish
11-11-2006, 10:27 PM
I know of no laptop that I'm using...
Russians must stand united against nordic imperialism.
What Nordic imperialism? Are you suggesting that Scandinavians have designs on Russian territory?
The only thing that is working is resolute opposition to non-Russian and non-Ukranian ideologies.
Russian nationalism is, to a certain extent, inherently opposed to Ukrainian nationalism.
Petyr Baelish
11-11-2006, 10:29 PM
The funny thing is that Russians, and other slavs are not "aryan" according to Hitler. Having Russian Nazis is like having Jewish Nazis. It's just as stupid.
What does this have to do with the Russian March? I didn't see any Nazi flags or hear anyone shouting Nazi slogans in the video. By the way, DPNI, the organization that made this video, is one of the more 'mainstream' Russian nationalist organizations and has absolutely nothing to do with Nazis or Nazism.
Der Sozialist
11-11-2006, 10:30 PM
Lenin was 1/4th Kalmyck and and 1/4th Jewish, if I recall correctly. He was also half German; it's rather ironic that he is used to represent the ethnic Russian face of Bolshevism when he didn't have a drop of Russian blood in his veins.
He had Russian antecedents I believe.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-11-2006, 10:31 PM
What Nordic imperialism? Are you suggesting that Scandinavians have designs on Russian territory?
I'm suggesting that a few self-hating Russians are trying to apply the ideology of national socialism which assumes a nordic orgin, and they are being instigated by a few alien invaders from northern europe.
Russian nationalism is, to a certain extent, inherently opposed to Ukrainian nationalism.
I agree, but eastern europeans as a whole, jews included, and gentiles included, will not be subdivided in a way and split up against each other by alien ideologies and alien agitators.
Petyr Baelish
11-11-2006, 10:34 PM
I'm suggesting that a few self-hating Russians are trying to apply the ideology of national socialism which assumes a nordic orgin, and they are being instigated by a few alien invaders from northern europe.
OK. I agree with that, although I am not quite certain about the role of 'alien invaders' in the matter.
I agree, but eastern europeans as a whole, jews included, and gentiles included, will not be subdivided in a way and split up against each other by alien ideologies and alien agitators.
Anti-semitism and racial enmity have existed in Russia for at least as long as anywhere else, and ideologies incorporating racist and anti-Semitic elements are in no way alien to Russia and Eastern Europe.
Petyr Baelish
11-11-2006, 10:36 PM
He had Russian antecedents I believe.
I am not aware of him having any ethnic Russian (i.e. Russian-speaking, Orthodox Slav) ancestry, although his volgadeutsche ancestors seem to have been fairly assimilated.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-11-2006, 10:40 PM
Anti-semitism and racial enmity have existed in Russia for at least as long as anywhere else, and ideologies incorporating racist and anti-Semitic elements are in no way alien to Russia and Eastern Europe.
Not really, it was really more of a religious conflict in Eastern Europe than a blood conflict. Yes, eastern europeans want to preserve eastern europe, they just don't consider northern europeans to be "bretheren" if you know what I'm saying. What I'm saying is certain individuals who I know of who think they can convince Russians that they are now "aryan" and jews that they are now "non-aryan," and essentially transplant this ideology to a non-nordic population are destined to fail. Jews and gentiles may fight in eastern europe. Your dog and cat may fight. But when the nazi bear came, the dog and cat tag-teamed against it.
Der Sozialist
11-11-2006, 10:40 PM
I am not aware of him having any ethnic Russian (i.e. Russian-speaking, Orthodox Slav) ancestry, although his volgadeutsche ancestors seem to have been fairly assimilated.
I will look into it but a quick search on Wikipedia yields this: "Lenin's antecedents were Russian, Kalmyk, Jewish, German and Swedish, and possibly others".--Dimitri Volkogonov "Lenin - A New Biography", page 8. ISBN 0-02-933435-7
Der Sozialist
11-11-2006, 10:42 PM
Not really, it was really more of a religious conflict in Eastern Europe than a blood conflict. Yes, eastern europeans want to preserve eastern europe, they just don't consider northern europeans to be "bretheren" if you know what I'm saying. What I'm saying is certain individuals who I know of who think they can convince Russians that they are now "aryan" and jews that they are now "non-aryan," and essentially transplant this ideology to a non-nordic population are destined to fail. Jews and gentiles may fight in eastern europe. Your dog and cat may fight. But when the nazi bear came, the dog and cat tag-teamed against it.
In Poland, Jews were treated almost like Serfs (and were treated worse than ethnic Germans). The conflict has always been more than religious.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-11-2006, 10:45 PM
In Poland, Jews were treated almost like Serfs (and were treated worse than ethnic Germans). The conflict has always been more than religious.
Vlad Tepes hated Germans. He rallied against them in Romania. And he didn't care about jews.
Der Sozialist
11-11-2006, 10:54 PM
Vlad Tepes hated Germans. He rallied against them in Romania. And he didn't care about jews.
He impaled just about everybody—could your provide numbers of how many Saxons (merchants) he executed in comparison to Jews?
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-11-2006, 10:59 PM
He impaled a lot of people, and the numbers could be found quickly. But he clearly especially targeted certain classes, ethnicities, and rival powers. Germans were one of them. Jews were not.
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 12:35 AM
Yes, eastern europeans want to preserve eastern europe, they just don't consider northern europeans to be "bretheren" if you know what I'm saying.
What I know from my personal experience (I lived in Russia for several years and socialized extensively with Russian expats elsewhere) is that the average Russian views Central and Northern Europeans far more favorably than he does Jews or even other 'Eastern Europeans' (Ukrainians, for instance, are generally quite disliked); an ethnic Russian of partly German ancestry is always considered Russian, while rumors of possible Jewish ancestry in public figures, (no matter how remote), are a very common conversation topic. Poles tend to be very anti-Semitic, and their hatred of Russians knows no bounds, a fact that makes your suggestion of Eastern European solidarity quite infeasible.
What I'm saying is certain individuals who I know of who think they can convince Russians that they are now "aryan" and jews that they are now "non-aryan," and essentially transplant this ideology to a non-nordic population are destined to fail.
What in the world does this blather have to do with the subject at hand? Can you please tell me where in the video these 'certain individuals' appear? Besides,
Russian nationalism has always been (to a certain extent) racialist and anti-Semitic, without any intervening Nazi influence (indeed, before the Nazi party was even founded).
Jews and gentiles may fight in eastern europe. Your dog and cat may fight. But when the nazi bear came, the dog and cat tag-teamed against it.
Fringe groups of costumed clowns do not pose a serious threat to the stability of any Eastern European country.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 12:43 AM
I'll give you credit, you are putting up a good fight, but I still think the general thesis of jew/gentile gap is more a religious nature in eastern europe, more an ethnic nature in northern europe is a correct one.
Hitler hated jews for their blood. Stalin hated religious jews, zionist jews, disloyal jews. But he didn't oppose them based on blood and neither did the Tzar (Germany ancestory btw, got overthrown), and neither will the Russian people.
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 12:45 AM
I'll give you credit, you are putting up a good fight, but I still think the general thesis of jew/gentile gap is more a religious nature in eastern europe, more an ethnic nature in northern europe is a correct one.
How many Northern European countries instigated porgoms against their Jewish populations? Why were pogroms against Muslims and Protestants very rare to nonexistent in Tzarist Russia?
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 12:47 AM
[N]neither will the Russian people. With all due respect, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
If you ever want to start a long conversation with a Russian, ask him what he thinks about how much Jewish ancestry a Russian celebrity has and how to recognize it.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 12:48 AM
I'm not so sure I agree with that. Stalin persecuted the Checkyn people. He basically moved the whole population to the Siberia. They were muslim. To say everyone else was happy and rosey and singing kum bai yah by the fire, I disagree.
In Romania, this is eastern europe, most of the people Vlad Tepes impaled were muslim turks (and German saxon merchants).
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 12:55 AM
Stalin persecuted the Checkyn people. He basically moved the whole population to the Siberia. They were muslim.
Stalin was an ethnic Georgian and an ideological Marxist-Leninist. What I have in mind is historical Russian nationalism, which has practically no history of anti-Muslim or anti-Protestant sentiment. Why is it that while Jewish villages were being burned to the ground, Russians, Tatars and Germans lived together peacefully in the Volga region?
To say everyone else was happy and rosey and singing kum bai yah by the fire, I disagree.
Among Russians, anti-Jewish sentiment has historically been far stronger than dislike of any other group (as I pointed out, in those areas where Russians, Germans and Tatars lived side-by-side, they got along splendidly), although recently dislike of Central Asian and Caucasian immigrants has begun to eclipse anti-Semitism in nationalist rhetoric.
In Romania, this is eastern europe, most of the people Vlad Tepes imapled were muslim turks (and German saxon merchants).
I am not well-versed in Romanian history, but I know for a fact that the ethnic dynamics of the Balkans have always been different from those of Russia. In any event, Eastern Europeans have never presented a unified front against what you call "Nordic imperialism", and this holds true even today; the enmity between Russians and Ukrainians or Serbs and Croatians is far stronger than whatever dislike any of these groups may have for Teutons.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 01:07 AM
What I want to know is how do you explain people like Vladimir Zhininovsky? He has a Jewish dad. But he is anti-jew. If it was seen as a racial matter purely, and not mainly a cultural matter, he would have to hate himself. How can someone like Zhininovsky advocate the expulsion of every jew, without expelling himself, if Jewishness in Russia is perceived as only a matter of blood? It isn't possible. Clearly he is against Jewish self-identification, not against jewish ancestory, or he would be a hypocrite. This is the leading nationalist in Russia, or at least was...
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 01:16 AM
What I want to know is how do you explain people like Vladimir Zhininovsky?
Simply; he's a borderline-psychotic loon and/or a histrionic attention-whore; he's certainly the fartherst thing from a sincere Russian nationalist that I can think of.
He has a Jewish dad.
At whose Israeli grave he recently laid flowers and recited kaddish...
But he is anti-jew. If it was seen as a racial matter purely, and not mainly a cultural matter, he would have to hate himself.
Possibly, if his convictions on the matter are sincere (which I doubt).
How can someone like Zhininovsky advocate the expulsion of every jew, without expelling himself, if Jewishness in Russia is perceived as only a matter of blood? It isn't possible.
Indeed it isn't. As far as I am aware, Zhirinovkiy has never advocated expelling Jews from Russia. This is the leading nationalist in Russia, or at least was...
I don't know anyone who takes Zhirinovksy and his bombastic, over-the-top rhetoric seriously.
Daniel Shays
11-12-2006, 03:24 AM
Not really, unless you equate all forms of "National Socialism" with the specific tenets of Hitlerite Nazism. National Socialism is a superset of Nazism.
You're a cool guy Ahk, but 'thermidorian Hitlerism' comes off as creepy far-right trotskyism.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 03:56 AM
Yeah man, the way I see this, all the fighting between various eastern european nationalities, ashkenazi jews included, is nationalism, it isn't racialism. It's there, but it isn't "race-based" its based on culture and tradition.
If Germans and Swedes fight in Northern Europe, that wouldn't be racialism, that would be nationalism.
If mediterranean Spanish people fight mediterranean french people, this isn't "race-based," its nationalism.
That's such a farce. These Russian fascists are a joke, and have to be completely out of their minds to think that they are going to accomplish anything with their bizarre theories and treasonous claims. That and they tolerate all manner of degenerates from the West so long as they talk their ears off about "Aryans" and "Jews".
I'd suggest you to get acquainted with the subject first, before opening your mouth about. How exactly Russian are you, Mr Nikitenko? What do you know about this particular event to call it a farce?
EDIT I am sorry "Marisenko" (what kind of name is that anyway?)
The funny thing is that Russians, and other slavs are not "aryan" according to Hitler. Having Russian Nazis is like having Jewish Nazis. It's just as stupid.
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/004886.htm
Russian nationalism needs to divorce itself from anti-Russian ideologies. Someone needs to call a spade a spade and let people know that this is retarded.
What was the purpose of that comment? To state Hitler's view of Russians? What for? Did someone ask you to? How does it relate to the subject of the thread?
these Russians are pretending to be something that they are not. It won't work.
What the FUCK are you talking about?
Lukashenko took back the state industries from the privatizers and rebuilt and preserved a lot of the SOVIET socialist system.
Before you try to lecture me about Belarus- try looking up the president's name first. And no, it's not NATIONAL socialism- it's the remnant of SOVIET socialism.
The only reason the state of Belorussia is not bankrupt yet is because of Russian gas and oil that they buy for 1/3 of the price of what they are selling for export.
Someone close the Russian section ASAP, please. It seems like people here know more about life on Mars than they do about Russia.
That's such a farce. These Russian fascists are a joke, and have to be completely out of their minds to think that they are going to accomplish anything with their bizarre theories and treasonous claims. That and they tolerate all manner of degenerates from the West so long as they talk their ears off about "Aryans" and "Jews".
Марисенко, что за хрень ты несешь? Из какого ты нахрен Подольска? Не позорь Россию, придурок.
Captain Marinesko
11-12-2006, 05:26 AM
I'd suggest you to get acquainted with the subject first, before opening your mouth about. How exactly Russian are you, Mr Nikitenko? What do you know about this particular event to call it a farce?
EDIT I am sorry "Marisenko" (what kind of name is that anyway?)
Marinesko, it's Ukrainian, named after Aleksander Marinesko. I'm surprised such a big Russia expert never heard of the man.
I know it's a farce because the claims these Russian fascists espouse are so easily refuted by anyone who lived in the Soviet time, and that includes a vast majority of the Russian population. These people claim the USSR was run for the benefit of Jews.
Fine...
Did the public education system forbid non-Jews from attending?
Were pensions paid only to Jews?
Were the worker benefits only applicable for Jews?
Did the free health care system only serve Jews?
Did the cheap public transport only apply to Jews?
Why did so many Jews betray the USSR in favor of Trotskyism and later leave the USSR in droves?
Why is Russia so white today? Because of the socialist system.
Captain Marinesko
11-12-2006, 05:31 AM
Марисенко, что за хрень ты несешь? Из какого ты нахрен Подольска? Не позорь Россию, придурок.
Disgrace Russia? I'm not the one marching around wearing the symbols of invaders that killed 20 million people, making worthless claims that would never work in ANY country and are easily refuted by anyone walking down the street that can remember back to pre-91.
The purpose of the march was not to claim anything. The purpose of the march was to DEMONSTRATE that nationalists are a force to count with, it failed unfortunately, but it is a whole different story. If 100,000 walked the streets of Moscow that day we might have been living in a different country right now.
Disgrace Russia? I'm not the one marching around wearing the symbols of invaders that killed 20 million people, making worthless claims that would never work in ANY country and are easily refuted by anyone walking down the street that can remember back to pre-91.
ANY Nazi symbolics were STRICTLY PROHIBITED by the organizators that day and anyone who would attempt to march with swastikas anyway would be considered a provocator - this is the official statement from march leaders. The fact that you do not know about this fact tells everything about you.
Like I said - CLOSE THE RUSSIAN SECTION - it is a joke.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 05:44 AM
lol Captain told me it was a nazi march and I took his word for it.
If it wasn't a nazi march, if it was simply a Russian Nationalist march, then my previous comments don't really apply.
Captain is retarded and he is not Russian, trust me. He is as Russian as I am Chinese.
And btw, MarinESKO can not be a Ukranian last name, it is probably Rumanian or something.
Captain is retarded and he is not Russian, trust me. He is as Russian as I am Chinese.
He is JP Slovjanski, a descendant of Slavic immigrants (Ukrainian?) to West who says he has moved to Russia.
I think this former Nazi has gone somewhat bonkers.
Petr
Not too long ago, JP Slovjanski AKA "Captain Marinesko" was pretty hardcore WN himself. Here you can see some hilarious VNN Forum threads where JP battled with FadeTheButcher (aka Daedalus), who was himself in his "anti-Nazi phase"...
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=13499&page=5&highlight=slovjanski
Anglo-Kike Atlantic BritZog-USZog
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=13509&highlight=slovjanski
Back then, "Captain Marinesko" used to say things like this:
"It's already a proven fact that he let them escape. That is no longer a matter for debate. Well I suppose to Fade and his movement of imaginary friends there may be a debate, but Otto Skorzeny, Leon DeGrelle, and a number of others testify as to Hitler's reasoning for not attacking.
Now Time for:
GREAT MOMENTS IN BRITISH HISTORY: The Poles contributed to the Battle of Britain, downing on average 9 kills per pilot- more than British pilots. England repaid the Poles by handing their nation to Josef Stalin despite the fact that by the end of the war, Poland's Western forces were the 4th largest Allied army- with no country to go home to.
Thanks Churchill."
"The fundamental difference between National Socialism we know and its past incarnations is that the latter was practiced by instinct in places like Sparta or early communities in Northern/Eastern Europe. The people had great respect for nature, but no way of knowing exactly what would happen if they disobeyed those rules en masse. Over generations we seem to have been convinced that our technology has made those rules invalid.
National Socialism is the CONSCIOUS expression of "racialism"."
Petr
Captain Marinesko
11-12-2006, 06:21 AM
Captain is retarded and he is not Russian, trust me. He is as Russian as I am Chinese.
And btw, MarinESKO can not be a Ukranian last name, it is probably Rumanian or something.
Well since Mr. Marinesko was half Rumanian indeed, that explains it. It's just a handle and nothing more. My grandfather was from Western Ukraine, but given the name Slovjanski we could naturally assume he was part Polish. Despite the lack of actual Nazis symbols, the Russian "nationalist" movement still espouses many borrowed ideas from National Socialists and I have corresponded with many Russian National Socialists over the years and I have met at least one here so far.
I am truly sorry if I mislabelled anyone or judged them too harshly, but I was still recovered from a rather harsh reaction I had after learning some rather disturbing things about WNs who claim to be helping Russian nationalists over here, such as David Duke.
To be fair, I to some extent have expected these revelations, but I am still somehow demoralized by the Russian nationalists' lack of response to the issue.
While I am still pretty confident about their potential for success(virtually nil as it is now), I concede that my anger at recent events may have caused me to lash out at them in ways that were unfair and even misleading. Regardless of what the nationalists think of me, based on our last meeting, I will continue to extend an open hand to them in the acknowledgement that our goals are the same, so long as I see that there is effort to actually practice what they preach, unlike in the American movement.
Captain Marinesko
11-12-2006, 06:24 AM
Not too long ago, JP Slovjanski AKA "Captain Marinesko" was pretty hardcore WN himself. Here you can see some hilarious VNN Forum threads where JP battled with FadeTheButcher (aka Daedalus), who was himself in his "anti-Nazi phase"...
Petr
Wow you make it seem like you discovered something new- I've totally admitted who I was on here a while back. I have made no effort to conceal my rather shameful, though well-meaning past. In fact I'm GLAD there is a record of all of it because it shows how many years I spent TRYING to get some kind of coherency out of the movement before I eventually was forced to write it off.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 06:26 AM
I am truly sorry if I mislabelled anyone or judged them too harshly, but I was still recovered from a rather harsh reaction I had after learning some rather disturbing things about WNs who claim to be helping Russian nationalists over here, such as David Duke.
I know man...I agree, he needs to figure out that ashkenazi jews are part of the Eastern European people whether he likes it or not and he never will be.
Indeed, try to get all the info next time, before speaking so confidently about it. I appreciate your sympathy for Russian nationalists, it is just that there are all kinds of fairy-tales in english-speaking community and I am really sick of stormfront-like foreigners asking really stupid questions and spreading all kinds of rumours that have nothing to do with reality.
I know man...I agree, he needs to figure out that ashkenazi jews are part of the Eastern European people whether he likes it or not and he never will be.
Ashkenazi Jews are not a part of Russian nation, that is for sure. All right, I am done here.
Captain Marinesko
11-12-2006, 06:31 AM
Ashkenazi Jews are not a part of Russian nation, that is for sure. All right, I am done here.
Seconded!!!
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 06:32 AM
I may agree with that. At least, most of them aren't.
Their history intertwines with Russian History though.
I may agree with that. At least, most of them aren't.
Their history intertwines with Russian History though.
As it does with German or American.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 06:51 AM
Russian jews were the original population, and they migrated to Germany, and migrated to America.
They may not be culturally "Russian" but I think this fact has to be established.
No-buddy wants to admit it. But they do have a history and it starts somewhere. This is not an attack on Russia or the Russian people, its just a statistical fact.
It's like hot potato. Pass around the jew, lol, it isn't my history.
Russian jews were the original population, and they migrated to Germany, and migrated to America.
They may not be culturally "Russian" but I think this fact has to be established.
No-buddy wants to admit it. But they do have a history and it starts somewhere. This is not an attack on Russia or the Russian people, its just a statistical fact.
It's like hot potato. Pass around the jew, lol, it isn't my history.
Ethnic Russians lived separately from everyone else for centuries. Ethnic Russians are very homogenous, more homogenous than Icelanders f.e. That's why any claims that Jews are a part of Russian nation is not true.
BTW, before revolution they were only allowed to live in certain regions of Belarus and Ukraine, apart from ethnic Belorussians and Ukes. Russia was "judenfrei" before 1917.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 07:23 AM
You know what that tells me. If the tzar/provisional government would have relaxed the restrictions a bit, the revolution might not have even happened in the first place.
The problem was they were on the outside of Russia, but still under Russian control. It's sort of like the British in America. They controlled America, but gave us no representation in Government. So we rebelled.
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 07:35 AM
BTW, before revolution they were only allowed to live in certain regions of Belarus and Ukraine, apart from ethnic Belorussians and Ukes. Russia was "judenfrei" before 1917.
Indeed, hence the infamous 'Pale' of the Russian Empire.
In contrast, Germans whom Mr. Kane appears to hate so much settled en masse in the Volga basin several centuries prior to that. If being "historically intertwined" is anything to judge by, Volga Germans have a stronger claim to "Russianness" than any Jew, though neither of the two are, or consider themselves to be, Russian.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 07:38 AM
German-hate is not an unpopular thing for slavs, and slavic Americans. My Dad knew of chekslovakians who knew German and were forced to learn it, but refused to speak it to him. That's how much they were anti-German.
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 07:40 AM
What was the purpose of that comment? To state Hitler's view of Russians? What for? Did someone ask you to? How does it relate to the subject of the thread?
How a thread about a Russian nationalist march organized primarily to protest illegal immigration and demonstrate Russian nationalist solidarity devolved into a discussion about Nazis and Ashkenazi Jews (and their relationship to Eastern Europeans) is also quite beyond me.
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 07:46 AM
Марисенко, что за хрень ты несешь? Из какого ты нахрен Подольска? Не позорь Россию, придурок.
То что Маринеско несмог даже по русски ответить на твой вопрос доказывает что он по настоящему такой же "русский" как ты китаец. Видимо этот мудак ни хрена по русски непонимает :D.
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 07:51 AM
German-hate is not an unpopular thing for slavs, and slavic Americans. My Dad knew of chekslovakians who knew German and were forced to learn it, but refused to speak it to him. That's how much they were anti-German.
I never suggested that Slavs were big fans of Germans (with the exception of Croatians, a large number of whom are); however, the suggestion that most Russians (or other Slavs, for that matter) consider Jews to be their kin, or far prefer Jews to Europeans, is ridiculous.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 08:01 AM
Russians don't consider themselves to be Europeans in many situations.
I have talked to Russian Americans and they talked about Russia and Europe as if they are two separate things. I don't fully agree.
I resolutely say that European Jews are part of the European people, am not a jew, and absolutely refuse to back down from that statement.
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 08:09 AM
Russians don't consider themselves to be Europeans in many situations.
Russians consider themselves Russian first and foremost; nebulous meta-identities like 'European' are all but irrelevant to them, though if asked, most will admit to feeling closest kiniship with other Eastern Slavs. Russians certainly consider themselves distinct from Europeans, but that does not imply any of the sort of anti-Teutonic and pan-"Eastern European" identity that you suggest.
I have talked to Russian Americans and they talked about Russia and Europe as if they are two separate things.
Russia and Europe are two separate entities.
I resolutely say that European Jews are part of the European people, am not a jew, and absolutely refuse to back down from that statement.
Well, you're entitled to your own opinions. However, the fact remains that [ethnic] Russians and Jews are two separate peoples and regard themselves as such, to at least the same degree as they regard themselves as different from, say, Germans.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 08:13 AM
Well, you're entitled to your own opinions. However, the fact remains that [ethnic] Russians and Jews are two separate people and regard themselves as separate, to at least the same degree as they regard themselves as different from, say, Germans.
Yes they regaurd themselves separate.
But ashkenazi Jews have without question absorbed eastern european genetics. This has been proven. Some less, some more, but they have absorbed it.
Few jews have nordic dna.
So Hitler was right in that respect.
The Tzar kept out jews, yes, but on the basis of religion. Not on the basis of "race." This is proven because Jews converted to Christianity and were taken into mainstream Tzarist Russia.
This is proven because Jews converted to Christianity and were taken into mainstream Tzarist Russia.
Very few of them. I mean very few converted to Christianity, but you are right on other points.
Petyr Baelish
11-12-2006, 08:49 AM
Yes they regaurd themselves separate.
But ashkenazi Jews have without question absorbed eastern european genetics. This has been proven. Some less, some more, but they have absorbed it.
The Eastern European contribution to the Ashkenazim are genetically far closer to Kurds and Levantine Arabs than they are to any European group.
Captain Marinesko
11-12-2006, 09:47 AM
То что Маринеско несмог даже по русски ответить на твой вопрос доказывает что он по настоящему такой же "русский" как ты китаец. Видимо этот мудак ни хрена по русски непонимает :D.
Hey genius, I understand both Gleb's post and yours, I just don't answer in Russian because I have a double-character set keyboard here and it takes forever.
I am currently in e-mail correspondance with someone entirely in Russian. It's understood but it takes forever.
kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-12-2006, 09:59 AM
The Eastern European contribution to the Ashkenazim are genetically far closer to Kurds and Levantine Arabs than they are to any European group.
The middle-easterners, sephardic jews, southern europeans, and white Africans are mediterraneans.
Ashkenazis are a mix between sephardic mediterraneans and eastern europeans. Some are mixed to the point where they are no longer mediterranean. Others are not. All ashkenazi jews are at least 60% non-sephardic I believe. If the figure isn't 60%, its 40%, I can't get it out of my head now.
Captain Marinesko
11-12-2006, 11:56 AM
The middle-easterners, sephardic jews, southern europeans, and white Africans are mediterraneans.
Ashkenazis are a mix between sephardic mediterraneans and eastern europeans. Some are mixed to the point where they are no longer mediterranean. Others are not. All ashkenazi jews are at least 60% non-sephardic I believe. If the figure isn't 60%, its 40%, I can't get it out of my head now.
That's it I'm outta here!
SS-18
11-13-2006, 05:48 PM
Stalin was an ethnic Georgian and an ideological Marxist-Leninist.
Stalin was an ethnic Ossetian (Indo-European) and purged almost all Marxist-Leninists back in 37.
What I have in mind is historical Russian nationalism, which has practically no history of anti-Muslim or anti-Protestant sentiment. Why is it that while Jewish villages were being burned to the ground, Russians, Tatars and Germans lived together peacefully in the Volga region?
That's not that simple. The Tatar population was almost eliminated in Ivan the Terrible, Razin and Pugachev times. The Tatars were in small minority in the Volga region in early 1900s.
The Germans were always isolated in Russia, had no contact with the Russians.
The pogroms taken place in Belarus, Ukraine and Moldavia. The Jews were not allowed to live in Russia proper at all.
Among Russians, anti-Jewish sentiment has historically been far stronger than dislike of any other group (as I pointed out, in those areas where Russians, Germans and Tatars lived side-by-side, they got along splendidly), although recently dislike of Central Asian and Caucasian immigrants has begun to eclipse anti-Semitism in nationalist rhetoric.
Anti-Semitism in the Tzar times was spread only in the upper class. An average Russian knew very little about the Jews back then.
It all started after the Revolution. In 1937 the Jewish question was solved and the policy of the so called "state antisemitism" appeared.
SS-18
11-13-2006, 05:52 PM
Captain is retarded and he is not Russian, trust me. He is as Russian as I am Chinese.
And btw, MarinESKO can not be a Ukranian last name, it is probably Rumanian or something.
It's Moldavian. There was the Moldavian sub-marine captain with this name who sunk quite a few of large German ships and sub-marines.
SS-18
11-13-2006, 05:55 PM
Wow you make it seem like you discovered something new- I've totally admitted who I was on here a while back. I have made no effort to conceal my rather shameful, though well-meaning past. In fact I'm GLAD there is a record of all of it because it shows how many years I spent TRYING to get some kind of coherency out of the movement before I eventually was forced to write it off.
Oh, Jasha... :deadhorse:
SS-18
11-13-2006, 06:00 PM
Russians don't consider themselves to be Europeans in many situations.
I have talked to Russian Americans and they talked about Russia and Europe as if they are two separate things. I don't fully agree.
I resolutely say that European Jews are part of the European people, am not a jew, and absolutely refuse to back down from that statement.
The point is that Europeans are looked down in Russia... at least when comes to spirituality.
also, Russians don't feel the need to identify themselves with Europe, as their culture and their country are self-sufficient.
Captain Marinesko
11-14-2006, 11:41 AM
It's Moldavian. There was the Moldavian sub-marine captain with this name who sunk quite a few of large German ships and sub-marines.
It's funny how I got so used to saying and hearing MarineskA(due to the akanie) that I never noticed how Romanian it sounds if you just pronounce the 'O' with a less Russian accent. Just like Chaucesceau or Antonesceau. I bet the original name was Marinesceau or something like that. His father is described as Romanian, but probably moved to Odessa from Moldavia.
JohnAFlynn
12-20-2006, 06:12 PM
I'm going to give you a chance to save yourself. If you tell me that English is not your first language, I will forgive you for this stupidity.
What I won't forgive you for is this particular message; were you or were you not aware that the REASON Belarus is working so well is because they preserved most of the socialist system?
I don't know about FAF, but his main point is correct. You are partly right, but that is because socialism can only work so well in an all-White society, such as Belarus. The two go hand in hand. With a "diverse" society, socialism will not work. With jews in power, socialism will not work.
JohnAFlynn
12-20-2006, 06:17 PM
Ok retard. You called down the thunder.
The name is LUKASHENKO(Лукашенко), and if you weren't retarded, you would have known that Lukashenko's relationship with Israel has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with Belarus' economic system.
Lukashenko took back the state industries from the privatizers and rebuilt and preserved a lot of the SOVIET socialist system.
Before you try to lecture me about Belarus- try looking up the president's name first. And no, it's not NATIONAL socialism- it's the remnant of SOVIET socialism.
Socialism in an homogeneous, jew-free system, IS National Socialism. China, for example, is a National Socialist (Chinese) state that calls itself "Communist."
Petyr Baelish
12-21-2006, 03:54 AM
Hey genius, I understand both Gleb's post and yours, I just don't answer in Russian because I have a double-character set keyboard here and it takes forever.
I obviously am a genius, at least when compared to a self-absorbed imbecile such as yourself. I am, in the very least, intelligent enough to figure out how to either:
a. write in Russian phoenetically using the Latin alphabet
b. find an online Latin to Cyrillic conversion tool, such as www.translit.ru
Some of your posts come off as the electronic equivalent of a drunken rant. Think a little before typing, you might save yourself quite a bit of embarassment.
Captain Marinesko
12-21-2006, 05:34 AM
I obviously am a genius, at least when compared to a self-absorbed imbecile such as yourself. I am, in the very least, intelligent enough to figure out how to either:
a. write in Russian phoenetically using the Latin alphabet
b. find an online Latin to Cyrillic conversion tool, such as www.translit.ru
Some of your posts come off as the electronic equivalent of a drunken rant. Think a little before typing, you might save yourself quite a bit of embarassment.
Yeah we all know how to transliterate Russian into Latin, thank you very much.
Would you please point out which post of mine sounds like a "drunken rant" and why.
Petyr Baelish
12-23-2006, 10:53 PM
Yeah we all know how to transliterate Russian into Latin, thank you very much.
Well, it certainly doesn't seem like you do, considering that you consistently reply to Russian posts in English. The only reasonable explanation I can think of for this is that you cannot write (competently) in Russian.
Would you please point out which post of mine sounds like a "drunken rant" and why.
The sarcastic, irritable tone common to most of your posts (including the one I am replying to presently) is one reason.
Captain Marinesko
12-24-2006, 07:10 AM
Well, it certainly doesn't seem like you do, considering that you consistently reply to Russian posts in English. The only reasonable explanation I can think of for this is that you cannot write (competently) in Russian.
Well that would be incorrect.
Granted, I do use a lot of sarcasm, but I do that because I never want to get to a point where I'm taking forums seriously again. I keep it as a form of entertainment.
ogenoct
12-25-2006, 02:34 PM
Socialism in an homogeneous, jew-free system, IS National Socialism. China, for example, is a National Socialist (Chinese) state that calls itself "Communist."
What do you call Red Zionism if not National Socialism for Jews? There is nothing socialist about China.
Constantin
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