David Irving arrested in Austria

[Ace Rimmer]

David Irving arrested in Austria
By Simon Freeman and agencies in Vienna

David Irving, the historian who once claimed that Adolf Hitler knew nothing about the systematic slaughter of six million Jews, has been arrested by police in Austria after his car was stopped for a roadside check.

Authorities in Vienna said that the 67-year-old author was being held under a warrant issued in November 1989 for speeches which were considered to break domestic laws preventing active denial of the Holocaust.



The offence carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

Major Rudolf Gollia, the interior ministry spokesman, said Mr Irving had been en route to a students' meeting in Vienna when he was stopped on a motorway in the southern province of Styria on November 11. He was transferred to a prison in Graz.

The charges stemmed from speeches Mr Irving delivered in Vienna and in the southern town of Leoben in 1989.

Christoph Poechinger, a spokesman for the Austrian Justice Ministry, said it was likely that charges would be pressed against Irving and that he would be kept in custody until the case came to court.

"There is a grave danger that he will repeat the offence, therefore it is likely he will be kept in custody until it comes to court. A warrant has been outstanding since 1989 and the case will probably be made a priority, but I doubt it will come to court before Christmas," Herr Poechinger told the Austrian newspaper Der Standard.

In a statement posted on his website, Irving supporters said that he was arrested while on a one-day visit to Vienna, where they said he had been invited "by courageous students to address an ancient university association".

The statement alleged that he had been arrested by police who learned of his visit "by wiretaps or intercepting e-mails". Austrian authorities had no immediate comment on the suggestion.

Mr Irving wrote some 30 books before becoming notorious worldwide in 2002 after launching a libel case against Deborah Lipstadt, the American academic who described him as a Holocaust denier in her 1994 book Denying the Holocaust.

He lost the case and was forced into bankruptcy. The judge ruled that he was "an active Holocaust denier, anti-Semitic and racist".

The Sunday Times (http://anonym.to/?http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1876644,00.html)

[Felix the Cat]

LOL!

Why on earth did he go to Austria?

The old gloryhound is playing Jesus

[Felix the Cat]

From www.fpp.co.uk

David Irving held in Austria

THE historian David Irving has been arrested while on a one-day visit to Vienna. An expert on Hitler's Third Reich, he had been invited by courageous students to address an ancient University association in the Austrian capital.

He chose as his subject the secret negotiations between Adolf Eichmann and the Jewish leaders in Budapest, Joel Brand and Rezsö Kasztner, the so-called "trucks for Jews" deal, and British knowledge of the scheme from codebreaking. He has researched the topic extensively in Allied archives for both his Churchill and his Himmler biographies.

Despite precautions, the Austrian political police are believed to have learned of the visit by wiretaps or intercepting e-mails. Mr Irving had privately visited his embattled friend the German playwright Rolf Hochhuth on the way to Austria; they had not met for twenty years because of travel restrictions imposed on each of them.

[Crowley]

A week in an Austrian holding cell won't faze Irving. In fact, he scores a point against the traditional enemies. Now they have to report it, and no matter how many times they put "holocaust denier" before his name in print, the essential fact cannot be concealed, a historian is being tossed in the slammer for his point of view.

[jcs]

LOL!

Why on earth did he go to Austria?

The old gloryhound is playing Jesus
They say all publicity is good publicity. He certainly does seem to be trying to play the martyr to gain attention to 'the cause' and sympathy for himself. Might be beneficial in that it exposes the stupidity of these laws, but when one really goes out of the way to sacrifice themselves to 'the cause'--well, this martyr won't get my sympathy.

Now they have to report it, and no matter how many times they put "holocaust denier" before his name in print, the essential fact cannot be concealed, a historian is being tossed in the slammer for his point of view.
The only people who will be aware of this event are those who already know of Irving, supporters, the indifferent or half-supporters (such as myself), and those opposed to him. All who hear of this already have their minds made up about the issue. I don't think he scored any points. His supporters will just be upset, and his enemies will be happy.
Doesn't that sound like the opposite reaction you'd want?--oh, but that's how white nationalism, neo-nazism, and the holocaust revisionism supported almost exclusively by such movements function! If we're constantly 'victimised,' we'll keep 'the cause' on our minds and--what? become more irate and marginalized? Yes! And through this marginalization, how self-righteous we feel...

[Starr]

The only people who will be aware of this event are those who already know of Irving, supporters, the indifferent or half-supporters (such as myself), and those opposed to him. All who hear of this already have their minds made up about the issue. I don't think he scored any points. His supporters will just be upset, and his enemies will be happy.

I don't know if that is completely true. One thing is for certain, there will be some if they were to hear about this, and maybe just out of curiousity, will want to learn more about him and what he was saying that would bring about a possible 20 year sentence. Could it be any more obvious how desperate the Jews are to protect their "holocaust" tales? Anyone who could hear a story like this and not smell something rotten is a dunce beyond belief.

There is a grave danger that he will repeat the offence, therefore it is likely he will be kept in custody until it comes to court.

A grave danger that he will repeat the offense. wow. It sounds like they are talking about a child killer or mass murderer here. LOL.:rolleyes: Why don't they just cut out his fucking tongue.

[Crowley]

The only people who will be aware of this event are those who already know of Irving, supporters, the indifferent or half-supporters (such as myself), and those opposed to him.

You left off your list anyone who has ever read an Irving book which amounts to a large number of readers interested in World War ll. Most academics and intellectuals, such as they are, know who Irving is and all of these people have at least a passing interest in intellectual freedom.

[jcs]

If anyone actually believes people will really give a fuck, they're sadly mistaken.

[Felix the Cat]

He's written a lot of very interesting material, but there's something distasteful about the man's personal character

One (small) thing that freaked me more than it should, was once noticing that he dyes his hair blonde :eek:

Which is, let's be honest, just weird

[Dances with Wolves]

What color do you dye your hair, senior member Cowcube?

[Dances with Wolves]

Why don't they just cut out his fucking tongue.


Watch your language there, young lady! I'm shocked! that an officer and a lady would use such a word!:eek:

[Starr]

Watch your language there, young lady! I'm shocked! that an officer and a lady would use such a word!:eek:


I set a terrible example I know. You know who would not be impressed.:(

If anyone actually believes people will really give a fuck, they're sadly mistaken.

Care in what sense of the word? People may begin to care when what they can and cannot say gets even more restricted, in the most ridiculous ways. Though no one yet gives a shit. PC type bullshit is way out of hand and a lot of people can at least see that, and with it getting worse......

[Keystone]

Mr Irving wrote some 30 books before becoming notorious worldwide in 2002 after launching a libel case against Deborah Lipstadt, the American academic who described him as a Holocaust denier in her 1994 book Denying the Holocaust.

He lost the case and was forced into bankruptcy. The judge ruled that he was "an active Holocaust denier, anti-Semitic and racist".
Say what you like about us Murricans, but it's still legal to be all three of those things here.

[Starr]

With hate crimes laws, especially, as they are I don't know how true I would say that is, key.

[Keystone]

With hate crimes laws, especially, as they are I don't know how true I would say that is, key.
There's that, yep. Although the hate crime legislation doesn't have many teeth.

The real problem are the quasi-gov agencies like the ADL and SPLC. They snoop and smear and sue with great freedom, thanks to our traitor politicians. They prey on a white populace that hasn't a clue about the Constitution. We just buy shit.

On the bright side, there are many lovers of liberty still standing in the US. For now.

[Starr]

I have been finding I agree with you as of late, here and on Vnn. The new and improved Keystone?:cool:

[Keystone]

I have been finding I agree with you as of late, here and on Vnn. The new and improved Keystone?:cool:
I'm just the same. I like to rattle the cages on vnn, even though they allow a lot more dissent than "anti" forums I've seen. They really do. I still post there because it's almost a habit. LOL. I'm like the furniture.

[Dances with Wolves]

He lost the case and was forced into bankruptcy. The judge ruled that he was "an active Holocaust denier, anti-Semitic and racist".

Well, how else would you expect the judge to rule? If he had ruled otherwise, he HIMSELF would have been subject to arrest anywhere in Europe! I've read the trial transcript. I followed this very closely when it was actually happening. Irving did not lose. Know why? He told the truth. They lied. The jews lie whenever they open their mouths.

[Felix the Cat]

Austria charges Irving with Holocaust denial (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-11-22-irvingcharged_x.htm)

VIENNA (AP) — Prosecutors on Tuesday filed charges against British author David Irving for allegedly violating an Austrian law that makes Holocaust denial a crime, an official said.

Irving, who has written several history books related to the Third Reich and has claimed that Adolf Hitler knew nothing about the systematic slaughter of 6 million Jews, was detained Nov. 11 in the southern province of Styria on a warrant issued in 1989.

"A charge was filed in relation to two speeches in 1989 in which he denied the existence of gas chambers," prosecutor Otto Schneider said.

Irving, 67, is in custody in Vienna. A detention hearing will be held Friday to determine whether he should be held for up to four more weeks.

If convicted, Irving could face up to 10 years in prison, Schneider said.

In a statement posted last week on his website, Irving's supporters said he was arrested while on a one-day visit to Vienna, where they said he had been invited "by courageous students to address an ancient university association."

Although Irving is not a trained historian, he made a name for himself as a someone with unusual access to notable figures and previously unseen documents from Nazi Germany. Irving most well-known book, Hitler's War, claimed that Hitler had no overaching "Final Solution" to commit genocide against Jews.

However, Irving in 2000 lost a libel case he brought against Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt. In his final ruling, trial judge Charles Gray highlighted instances when Irving rejected the general notion of Hitler-approved mass exterminations; Gray also pointed to Irving's multiple claims that specific elements of the Holocaust, such as the gassing of Jews at Auschwitz, did not happen.

"It appears to me to be incontrovertible that Irving qualifies as a Holocaust denier," Gray wrote.

[Uberberserker]

One (small) thing that freaked me more than it should, was once noticing that he dyes his hair blonde :eek:

Well now hold on, if when younger Mr. Irving was a natural blonde (and they do exist in the British Isles) then I don't see anything really strange. Perhaps he is just an older Gentleman that just wants to fondly recall blonder days of the past.

(and no before you ask I do not color MY hair nor do I use any expensive hair care products, in fact my style would be described as Grunge.)

[Felix the Cat]

Irving bid to recant Nazi line (http://theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17367449%255E2703,00.html)

BRITISH historian David Irving now acknowledges Nazi gas chambers existed, and admits some of his past statements could be interpreted as denying people were gassed.

On the day before Irving faces a court hearing, his lawyer Elmar Kresbach said the historian had "changed some of the views he is so famous for".

"He told me: 'Look, there was a certain period when I drew conclusions from individual sources which are maybe provocative or could be misinterpreted or could be even wrong'," Mr Kresbach said.

Prosecutors this week charged Irving, 67, with denying the Holocaust, which is a crime under Austrian law.

The charges stem from two speeches Irving gave in Austria in 1989 in which he reportedly denied the existence of the Nazi gas chambers.

He faces up to 10 years in prison if convicted.

In explaining Irving's change of heart, Mr Kresbach said yesterday that additional research the historian carried out after Soviet archives were opened to scholars had persuaded him his former beliefs were "not really worthwhile to hold up".

But Irving's new position was met with scepticism by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, which works to track down former Nazis before they die.

"It's an admission designed to extricate himself from imprisonment and in no way truly reflects his views," said Efraim Zuroff, director of the centre, based in Los Angeles.

Dr Zuroff said Irving had learned from his previous legal battles and was "trying to minimise the danger". Under Austrian law, Irving cannot be interviewed while he is in custody.

But in the past, Irving has claimed Adolf Hitler knew nothing about the systematic slaughter of 6million Jews, and has said there was "not one shred of evidence" the Nazis carried out their "Final Solution" to exterminate the Jews.

He is the author of nearly 30 books, including Hitler's War, which challenges the extent of the Holocaust and looks at the conduct of World War II from Hitler's perspective.

Mr Kresbach said Irving was now "correcting himself", insisting that the historian "sees himself as somebody who can influence marginal groups who have difficulty believing in the Third Reich".

He said he would argue at a custody hearing overnight that Irving should be released on bail.

No date for the trial has been announced.

In Austria, suspected violations of the law banning attempts to publicly diminish, deny or justify the Holocaust are heard in court by an eight-person jury and three judges.

Irving's arrest won praise worldwide. Earlier this week, Lord Greville Janner of the Britain-based Holocaust Educational Trust praised the Austrians "for doing what our law should but does not permit".

In 2000, Irving brought a libel case against US academic Deborah Lipstadt, who described him as a Holocaust denier.

But the case, heard in London, backfired when the judge ruled against Irving, leaving him bankrupt with huge legal bills.
I wish Irving would just lock himself in his study for the rest of his life, and just write books, while leaving the "activism" to others.

His greatest enemy is his own ego