What is it with neo-Nazis?

[Dr. No]

What is it with neo-Nazis wanting to exterminate every last man, woman, and child who has a drop of Jewish blood in their veins? Wasn't one of the most anti-Semitic writers for Der Stuermer, Jonas Wolk, a Jew? Weren't there hundreds of thousands of half-Jews in the German armed forces during the Second World War?

What is it with neo-Nazis despising Christians? Wasn't Leon Degrelle, the man Hitler supposedly regarded as his spiritual son, a devout Roman Catholic?

What is it with neo-Nazis and misogyny? Did Leni Riefenstahl and Savitri Devi have dicks between their legs that we don't know about?

What is it with neo-Nazis and misanthropy? Why do they want to save the white race when they consider 99.99% of that race to be garbage?

[Crowley]

You exaggerate, Sir. :eek:

[Dr. No]

You exaggerate, Sir. :eek:

Go spend a few weeks at http://www.vnnforum.com/

When you come back, tell me if you still feel I am exaggerating. :cool:

[Keystone]

Go spend a few weeks at http://www.vnnforum.com/

When you come back, tell me if you still feel I am exaggerating. :cool:
VNN forum is mostly for entertainment purposes. I doubt Uncle would have spent much time there, if they had intra-web in 1933.

[Crowley]

I'm a VNN regular. It is a hilarious site.

[Keystone]

I'm a VNN regular. It is a hilarious site.
Yep.

I'm Keystone, Kikestein, Yidstone, Kikestone, Keystein.

I agree with a lot of what they're on about, it's just the way they go about it. Some of the posters there are doozies. Some are probably gov. employees too.

[Crowley]

Yeah, I hear ya. I like about half of what they say. The other half is drunken ranting, but what the hell.

[zenero]

Yeah, I hear ya. I like about half of what they say. The other half is drunken ranting, but what the hell.Ye Old`e kike a like !!

Serious now, VNN is infested with Feds, Commies, Anti's and crazified conspiracy nuts.

[Keystone]

Ye Old`e kike a like !!

Serious now, VNN is infested with Feds, Commies, Anti's and crazified conspiracy nuts.
Glenn Miller ruined that forum (if that's possible). Before he showed up it was much funnier, and I actually learned some things.

[zenero]

Glenn Miller ruined that forum (if that's possible). Before he showed up it was much funnier, and I actually learned some things.Without Miller, we never had Lindstedt. I even payed for the first TAA*1 edition's and distributed. But i learn the truth about him, so my positive opinnion about him went downhill. Though, people like White Will and Ron Dogget are folks you have to give credits too.

[Crowley]

Though, people like White Will and Ron Dogget are folks you have to give credits too.

White Will is Miller's advocate, so?

[Crowley]

Ye Old`e kike a like !!

Serious now, VNN is infested with Feds, Commies, Anti's and crazified conspiracy nuts.

I suppose it is.

[zenero]

White Will is Miller's advocate, so?I mentioned White Will because of his street activisme.

I suppose it is.Dont believe me?

[Keystone]

Without Miller, we never had Lindstedt.
The Miller/Lindstedt thing got boring real fast. Lindstedt was much better on the old Phora.
I even payed for the first TAA*1 edition's and distributed. But i learn the truth about him, so my positive opinnion about him went downhill. Though, people like White Will and Ron Dogget are folks you have to give credits too.
I was interested in their tabloid until I saw the syphilitic colored guy graphic and the article about inter-racial cocksucking. I should have known better.

White Will and the rest of those old NA guys argue amongst themselves about things no one else cares about, like a bunch of old biddies.

MOMUS quit posting, too. Which is strangely sad. LOL.

[Starr]

Go spend a few weeks at http://www.vnnforum.com/

When you come back, tell me if you still feel I am exaggerating. :cool:


Don't make any assumptions based on Vnn.

MOMUS quit posting, too. Which is strangely sad. LOL.

It is, isn't it?:(

[zenero]

MOMUS quit posting, too. Which is strangely sad. LOL.I think he quit because of Slovjanski and the 911 - conspiracy show's.

[Starr]

I think he quit because of Slovjanski and the 911 - conspiracy show's.


When this starts popping up, it is about the only time he does appear.

[Dances with Wolves]

Slobjanski isn't even posting that much now, usually he has 2 posts minimum per EVERY thread on VNN, but I haven't seen that lately.

I think it's because of the upcoming holidays, everyone is busy, except for the kiddies here on the Snora that live in Mommie's Garage.:D

[Keystone]

When this starts popping up, it is about the only time he does appear.
I guess he got burned out. MOMUS was a pistol, though. We had some fun. He was always lurking...you had some great exchanges with him, HG.

[Keystone]

Slobjanski isn't even posting that much now, usually he has 2 posts minimum per EVERY thread on VNN, but I haven't seen that lately.
Slovjanski is pretty solid. He doesn't have jews in his eyes like most vnn posters, including A. Linder.
I think it's because of the upcoming holidays, everyone is busy, except for the kiddies here on the Snora that live in Mommie's Garage.:D
I live in my own garage.

[Dances with Wolves]

Slovjanski is pretty solid. He doesn't have jews in his eyes like most vnn posters, including A. Linder.

I live in my own garage.

Haha I do too sometimes :D

Yeah, I like sovjanski too, he's like the energizer bunny, he just goes round and round and round, never stopping.

[zenero]

Slovjanski is pretty solid. He doesn't have jews in his eyes like most vnn posters, including A. Linder.Slovjanksi believes in Kosher non-Goyish types in the Bush Administration. But he's certain like me that Arabs are pretty capable of planning and launching 911 and running a fierce resistance in Iraq, like our friend the The_Skunk (http://judicial-inc.biz/False_Flags_summary.htm) has in mind.

Israeli's bomb American forces. (http://judicial-inc.biz/Israel_in_Iraq.htm)Wasn't the idea, having US forces in Iraq, instead of killing them away.:D

[Starr]

Originally posted by Kikestein
He doesn't have jews in his eyes like most vnn posters, including A. Linder.


That is because he is a Jew, just like you.:p

[Dances with Wolves]

Slovjanksi believes in Kosher non-Goyish types in the Bush Administration. But he's certain like me that Arabs are pretty capable of planning and launching 911 and running a fierce resistance in Iraq, like our friend the The_Skunk (http://judicial-inc.biz/False_Flags_summary.htm) has in mind.

Israeli's bomb American forces. (http://judicial-inc.biz/Israel_in_Iraq.htm)Wasn't the idea, having US forces in Iraq, instead of killing them away.:D

Isn't it strange that since all this talk about getting the troops out of Iraq, the daily kill rate for ZOG forces has gone up? I find that interesting.

[Keystone]

That is because he is a Jew, just like you.:p
Ha!

I feel more at home now.

[zenero]

Isn't it strange that since all this talk about getting the troops out of Iraq, the daily kill rate for ZOG forces has gone up? I find that interesting.Me too. Iraq is actually bringing the Neo-Conehic machine down(eventually).

[Dances with Wolves]

Wait till Miller gets wind of that, he'll be in here "ya'll'ing" ya'll to death :eek:

[Keystone]

Slovjanksi believes in Kosher non-Goyish types in the Bush Administration. But he's certain like me that Arabs are pretty capable of planning and launching 911 and running a fierce resistance in Iraq, like our friend the The_Skunk (http://judicial-inc.biz/False_Flags_summary.htm) has in mind.
The music was too scary.

Of course the Arabs can cook up plenty of trouble without jewish black ops. They aren't controlled by "ZOG". Most Arabs aren't knuckle-dragging primitives, especially the brain-trust. They've been at this war thing a very long time. Thousands of years. Way before the modern "Jews" swiped Palestine from them, with our help.

[Starr]

Jews all of you! All acts of Arab/muslim terrorism that take place are, in reality, Jews, jews and more jews. And let's not forget how the Jews are responsible for destroying the Levees in N.O. Or was it "da white man" as Farrakhan said?:confused:

[Dances with Wolves]

The music was too scary.

Of course the Arabs can cook up plenty of trouble without jewish black ops. They aren't controlled by "ZOG". Most Arabs aren't knuckle-dragging primitives, especially the brain-trust. They've been at this war thing a very long time. Thousands of years. Way before the modern "Jews" swiped Palestine from them, with our help.


I tend to agree, though I do think the kikes have their hands in it at times, especially when it can benefit them. I don't doubt for a second that the jews have killed American troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

One thing the Arab has that the West does not is Faith. This is what is driving the "insurgency". Faith that the unbelievers will be driven out by the hand of God. You can't fight against that.

[Starr]

I tend to agree, though I do think the kikes have their hands in it at times, especially when it can benefit them.

I don't disagree with that.

[zenero]

I tend to agree, though I do think the kikes have their hands in it at times, especially when it can benefit them. I don't doubt for a second that the jews have killed American troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan.Of course they got their hands on Iraq, their frontier-man, Wolfowitz is the architect of the Iraqi conquest for a greater Judeo Empire. But saying that Jews planted roadside-bombs and killed their own soldiers is utterly ridiculous.

Remember:It's Saddam they wanted, it's Iraq's oil they wanted. They didn't wanted to have a Fallujah massacre. They do not killed the 5 US marines yesterday. They are trying to maintain the situation by robbing Iraq and not sabotaging themself.

[zenero]

I don't disagree with that.If it's about the Shia-Sunni part, i wouldn't disagree either. Im just backfiring the: ''Jews kill their own lackey's for more power in Iraq'' Cause' that doesn't make sense at all.

[Keystone]

Jews all of you! All acts of Arab/muslim terrorism that take place are, in reality, Jews, jews and more jews. And let's not forget how the Jews are responsible for destroying the Levees in N.O. Or was it "da white man" as Farrakhan said?:confused:
It was da white man, directed by jews, who blasted the levees which flooded the nigras shotgun shacks in beautimous New Orleans, thereupon the said nigras got revenge on the white devils by looting all the liquor and Fubu duds from the local jewstores. The evil-doing Arabs wished they could have done the damage, but couldn't come up with a good enough story.

[Crowley]

I mentioned White Will because of his street activisme.

Dont believe me?

I dont look for Feds under my bed.

[Uberberserker]

What is it with neo-Nazis wanting to exterminate every last man, woman, and child who has a drop of Jewish blood in their veins? Wasn't one of the most anti-Semitic writers for Der Stuermer, Jonas Wolk, a Jew? Weren't there hundreds of thousands of half-Jews in the German armed forces during the Second World War?

Dr. No I think you have been watching too many Spielberg movies. (BTW good job in that Bond flick!)

the term 'neo-nazi' is VERY BROAD and so is essentially meaningless. I happen to be a Fascistic Odinist, but I am certain that the ADL and ARA would declate me a 'neo-nazi' even though I disagree with massive amounts of National Socialist Doctrine (although I do like Himmlers Paganism)

Most of these Hollywood Nazi stereotypes you write of may only describe the most ignorant few out there. I myself don't want to exterminate every mischling on the Planet and shockingly enough I wouldn't reject amorous relations with attractive ones like Sarah Michelle Gellar (besides I could say I was on a recon. mission into enemy territory, just like when I go into a bagel shop LOL!)

[Dr. No]

(BTW good job in that Bond flick!)

Thanks. I get that a lot, actually.

the term 'neo-nazi' is VERY BROAD and so is essentially meaningless. I happen to be a Fascistic Odinist, but I am certain that the ADL and ARA would declate me a 'neo-nazi' even though I disagree with massive amounts of National Socialist Doctrine (although I do like Himmlers Paganism)

I'm using it as a descriptive term, rather than as a smear. I don't consider all, or even most, White Nationalists to be neo-Nazis.

I haven't developed a comprehensive definition of what I consider to be a neo-Nazi, but neo-Nazis generally believe the following:

1. White societies are terminally ill, and the only solution is a violent revolution to implement a "racial dictatorship." Anyone who isn't 99.99% "white" shall not be permitted to exist under this dictatorship.

2. The one and only reason white societies are terminally ill is because of "the Jew." If the Jew is removed, white societies will get better again.

3. Jews are a race. Their behavior, like that of all races, is solely determined by their genes. Therefore, the only solution to the Jewish problem is their physical extermination.

4. Whites are Aryans. Aryans are superior to every other race on the planet in every single respect. Every civilization that has ever existed has been the creation of Aryans, including the civilizations of Egypt and China. Since Aryans are the most advanced race on the planet, they have every right to exterminate inferior races to aquire living space.

An inevitable side-effect of the above statements is the belief that "you're either with us or against us."

Obviously, a few of these ideas and a lot of the imagery have been borrowed from the Third Reich, but it's clear to me that neo-Nazis have gone far beyond anything that the Nazis actually believed or advocated. The Nazis wouldn't have gotten far spouting the kind of nonsense that the neo-Nazis do. If I were paranoid, I would suspect that many of these neo-Nazi groups are false flag operations set up by the ADL to scare old Jewish ladies out of their retirement cheques and to discredit more moderate White Nationalists.

Note also that if you reverse the above statements, putting "Jew" where "white/Aryan" is, and "gentile" where "Jew" is, you have the spitting image of the radical Zionists.

Most of these Hollywood Nazi stereotypes you write of may only describe the most ignorant few out there. I myself don't want to exterminate every mischling on the Planet and shockingly enough I wouldn't reject amorous relations with attractive ones like Sarah Michelle Gellar

I would like to boink Buffy's sister, who is also a Jewess, now that she is of age. If she refuses, I will have her strapped to a metal operating table where she will be sawed in half by a state-of-the-art laser beam. I will then proceed to feed her halves to my greenhouse garden of genetically-mutated carnivorous plants.

(besides I could say I was on a recon. mission into enemy territory, just like when I go into a bagel shop LOL!)

[VNN MODE ON]
Bagel shop!? Why you filthy kikealike race traitor enemy collaborator!
[/VNN MODE OFF]

I like bagels too.

[Dr. No]

Don't make any assumptions based on Vnn.

The VNN/F gang likes to boast that they're the hardcore elite of White Nationalism. To my eyes, they're more like the lunatic fringe.

[Keystone]

The VNN/F gang likes to boast that they're the hardcore elite of White Nationalism. To my eyes, they're more like the lunatic fringe.
Ha. They aren't even the softcore elite. White Nationalism in the US is some guys on the interent, a few teeny-weeny membership clubs, a few nazi re-enactors and a coupla geezers who write the books.

They aren't politically involved in any way because it's beyond them.

[Dances with Wolves]

Ha. They aren't even the softcore elite. White Nationalism in the US is some guys on the interent, a few teeny-weeny membership clubs, a few nazi re-enactors and a coupla geezers who write the books.

They aren't politically involved in any way because it's beyond them.

That's an odd statement. Do you think ANY change can be effected through the political process? How?

[Starr]

To my eyes, they're more like the lunatic fringe.

Some are. some are not. I almost get the feeling sometimes that some may say certain shit in an attempt to outdue others. Who is more hardcore,etc.

[Dances with Wolves]

1. White societies are terminally ill, and the only solution is a violent revolution to implement a "racial dictatorship." Anyone who isn't 99.99% "white" shall not be permitted to exist under this dictatorship.


Also, to you. Do you think the democratic political process is legitimate?

2. The one and only reason white societies are terminally ill is because of "the Jew." If the Jew is removed, white societies will get better again.

I get the feeling that you believe that "white society" is not in danger. Can you explain why you believe this?

[Uberberserker]

According to your list I may actually be a neo-nazi! Lets take a look...

I haven't developed a comprehensive definition of what I consider to be a neo-Nazi, but neo-Nazis generally believe the following:

1. White societies are terminally ill, and the only solution is a violent revolution to implement a "racial dictatorship." Anyone who isn't 99.99% "white" shall not be permitted to exist under this dictatorship.

I agree with this. However it should be noted that almost any Nationalist of any stripe will want to expulse 'the other'

2. The one and only reason white societies are terminally ill is because of "the Jew." If the Jew is removed, white societies will get better again.

Well I personally don't believe that, although the jews do play an inordinate role and one needs only read Prof. Kevin Macdonalds works to see that is so.

3. Jews are a race. Their behavior, like that of all races, is solely determined by their genes. Therefore, the only solution to the Jewish problem is their physical extermination.

I personally believe that jews are a separate Race, however it is very interesting to note that there were several National Socialists who DID NOT believe that and they believed that the jews defectiveness was do to a SPIRITUAL defectiveness. The best example of this would be Dietrich Ecakart.

4. Whites are Aryans. Aryans are superior to every other race on the planet in every single respect. Every civilization that has ever existed has been the creation of Aryans, including the civilizations of Egypt and China. Since Aryans are the most advanced race on the planet, they have every right to exterminate inferior races to aquire living space.

I agree with this.

[Dances with Wolves]

Oh hell Uber, you be a Zionist! :eek:

You see, it's not "jews" it's "zionists". Usually, when someone says that, they are a jew themself.

[Uberberserker]

Well take a look very carefully at my habit of Capitalization. You will notice that I never ever capitalize the word jew and a real jew would capitalize it (in addition to calling one a horrible anti-sandwichite or something for leaving it undercase LOL!). If you must know my Racial and Ethnic background I am a European-American (White) that is German.

[Dances with Wolves]

Well take a look very carefully at my habit of Capitalization. You will notice that I never ever capitalize the word jew and a real jew would capitalize it (in addition to calling one a horrible anti-sandwichite or something for leaving it undercase LOL!). If you must know my Racial and Ethnic background I am a European-American (White) that is German.

Oh no, that was for "Dr. No", not you, my friend :)

[Dr. No]

Ha. They aren't even the softcore elite. White Nationalism in the US is some guys on the interent, a few teeny-weeny membership clubs, a few nazi re-enactors and a coupla geezers who write the books.

They aren't politically involved in any way because it's beyond them.

I have to agree with that. They're a bunch of quasi-revolutionaries who whine incessantly about how bad "the system" is and how they have to work outside "the system" to overthrow it. How far would the Jews have gotten in America if they had espoused the same attitude?

It's much easier to talk about revolution (and never do it) than it is to learn all the intricacies of "the system" and have to go through the routine drudgery of working within "the system." That is why Zionism thrives in America while neo-Nazism continues to be a non-entity.

If you ask me, "the system" has the neo-Nazis exactly where it wants them - talking in chat rooms all day long about how they're going to overthrow the government someday.

[Dr. No]

According to your list I may actually be a neo-nazi! Lets take a look...

Simple question: Do you object to being called a neo-Nazi, and if so, why?

If someone agrees with all of these items, then they are without a doubt a neo-Nazi, and I'm not going to apologize for calling them one.

[Dr. No]

Also, to you. Do you think the democratic political process is legitimate?

If you're asking if I'm a revolutionary, the answer is no. Not out of any passionate devotion to "democracy," but simply because I'm a realist.

I get the feeling that you believe that "white society" is not in danger. Can you explain why you believe this?

I'd be happy to address your question/accusation, but first you have to tell me what you think it is that's threatening white society.

[Dr. No]

Some are. some are not. I almost get the feeling sometimes that some may say certain shit in an attempt to outdue others. Who is more hardcore,etc.

Maybe the problem is that those with the least to say, say it the loudest.

[Dr. No]

I agree with this. However it should be noted that almost any Nationalist of any stripe will want to expulse 'the other'

The problem lies in defining Nationality. The neo-Nazi sees it exclusively in racial terms.

Well I personally don't believe that, although the jews do play an inordinate role and one needs only read Prof. Kevin Macdonalds works to see that is so.

I'm not trying to downplay Jewish power and influence. I'm just pointing out the ridiculous lengths to which neo-Nazis have gone with this: "All Jews are responsible for everything that has ever plagued mankind."

"The Jew" has quite literally become the neo-Nazi equivalent of what "the Devil" was to superstitious Christians in the Middle Ages.

I personally believe that jews are a separate Race, however it is very interesting to note that there were several National Socialists who DID NOT believe that and they believed that the jews defectiveness was do to a SPIRITUAL defectiveness. The best example of this would be Dietrich Ecakart.

The historical Nazis were not the same as the neo-Nazis. That's precisely the point I was making in the post that started this thread.

[Dr. No]

Oh hell Uber, you be a Zionist! :eek:

You see, it's not "jews" it's "zionists". Usually, when someone says that, they are a jew themself.

Ha ha ha! The classic "you're either with us or against us, if you disagree with us, you're a Jew."

You must be a neo-Nazi.

[Keystone]

That's an odd statement. Do you think ANY change can be effected through the political process?
Not by white nationalists. They are spoiled goods. They are reactionaries of the worst type. Very few people, if any, would want to live in close confines with them. They don't even have a morsel of a plan for their new state. Sometimes they want their own living space inside the US (no form of government is mentioned. Possibly a fuehrer, who knows?); other times they pose as "patriots" who want to kick all the niggers, kikes, gooks and spics out of the country and restore the government to "white rule". Which is it?
How?
The paleo-conservative movement is a possibility. I know, they don't "name the jew" enough. They don't wear swazis in 21st century America or talk of deporting all non-whites either, which is a major plus. Some of them are very influential, but they won't bring RAHOWA or the day of the rope. I would bet that never comes.

Immigration, Israel, globalization and foreign entanglements is what they do focus on, which is a start.

[OVERWATCH]

It's not as easy to generalise white nationalists as it is with nutzis, I find that white nationalists are a much more varied group.

[Vindex]

Well, the "WN" are right that there is going to be a shooting Race War, take over from the cold one that is quickly heating up right now. But it will be started by the mexicans, and other non-Whites.

There will be no revolution as there will be no goverment left to revolt against, just call it civil war 2/ all out Race war/class war.

Since the White Race is so filled with traitiors it might even be called White Racial Civil war.

[Uberberserker]

Simple question: Do you object to being called a neo-Nazi, and if so, why?

Yes.

My current political philosophy is Fascistic Odinism and for the sake of accuracy would want to be called that instead.

If however someone were to call me a neo-nazi I am not going to lose any sleep over it since some times people are quick to put labels on stuff without taking lots of time to think about it.

[The Retard]

Whites are Aryans. Aryans are superior to every other race on the planet in every single respect. Every civilization that has ever existed has been the creation of Aryans, including the civilizations of Egypt and China. Since Aryans are the most advanced race on the planet, they have every right to exterminate inferior races to aquire living space.

I agree with this.

I read that Thomas Jefferson's slaves actually wrote the Declaration of Independence and that he just took credit for it. This is a greater feat since his slave were illiterate. (that was a joke)

Anyway, I'm not big on claiming every great civilization for the white race or claiming every notable invention either. Blacks in America used European insturments but they weren't making European music. Does it really matter in the long run? I doubt just because we invented the light bulb all the other races are gonna boycott it. We can build off other races inventions and feel just as proud. The Greeks invented the Olympic games and now every country takes pride in winning a medal. Eurocentrism is one step behind Afrocentrism. I'm not sure what ridicules claim I'll hear next.

[Dr. No]

My current political philosophy is Fascistic Odinism and for the sake of accuracy would want to be called that instead.

Well, since you're not a neo-Nazi, you don't have to worry about me calling you one. In my experience, people who really are neo-Nazis don't usually object to being labelled as such, except for those who are lying their asses off for propaganda purposes, as William Pierce did.

If however someone were to call me a neo-nazi I am not going to lose any sleep over it since some times people are quick to put labels on stuff without taking lots of time to think about it.

I've got to be honest with you. Your mentality reminds me of the teenager who's just latched on to the latest "forbidden" subculture - punk rock, goth, wicca, satanism, industrial music, the drug scene, homosexuality - and is intent on proving to their Sunday school teacher that there are really lots of "good people" involved in it, that it's been misrepresented and misunderstood, and that it's wrong to be judgemental about it.

I don't feel much sympathy for some kid who tattoos a swastika on his forehead and then complains that no one wants to give him a job because of it. If you can't handle being judged, then stop advertising the fact that you're part of a fringe political movement that's despised by the vast majority of the population. To most people, the distinction between "neo-Nazism" and "Fascistic Odinism" (whatever that is) is as irrelevant as the difference between "classical Satanism" and "LaVeyan Satanism." The only people who care about such distinctions are the ones who are immersed in the subculture themselves.

I'm not going to stop using the word "women" because some radical dyke feminist tells me I should be using "womyn" instead, and I'm not going to refrain from using "neo-Nazi" because a "Fascistic Odinist" tells me he's bothered by it.

My only concern with labels is whether they're accurate or not. After examining White Nationalism with an open mind for the past two years or so, I've come to realize that "neo-Nazi" applies only too well to certain people in "the movement." Groups like the ADL and the SPLC haven't exaggerated things at all.

I never would've believed it a year or two ago, but much of the information the ADL and the SPLC disseminate is shockingly accurate.

Here's the ADL's profile (http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/alex_linder.asp?LEARN_Cat=Extremism&LEARN_SubCat=Extremism_in_America&xpicked=2&item=linder) of Alex Linder:


Alex Linder
Personal Background
In a 2003 interview, Linder claimed to have grown up as an "upper-middle-class suburban kid," who graduated from Pomona College in Claremont, CA in 1988. He worked as a researcher for a short time at the Evans & Novak political show on CNN, and at the American Spectator magazine, but left both jobs after finding them unreceptive to his "racist satire of Jews and minorities." After a period of working in the publishing industry, he launched the online Vanguard News Network in 2000.

Ideology
Linder is a white supremacist, anti-Semite and neo-Nazi. He counts among his influences William Pierce of the National Alliance, evolutionary psychologist Kevin MacDonald, and Revilo Oliver, the 1950s and 1960s-era anti-Semitic and racist ideologue.

Extremist Affiliations
In January 2005 Linder announced the establishment of a new organization, the White Freedom Party. A bare-bones Web page devoted to the organization describes it as "America's first political party advocating Aryan interests and specifically naming the jew (sic) as the agent of White genocide and greatest obstacle to our people's self-preservation as a distinct and protected people." By June 2005 Linder had failed to release any more information on the party, which may never have progressed beyond the planning stage.

Linder was formerly a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. He left the organization after other members opposed his decision to allow criticism of the group to appear on Vanguard News Network (VNN) forums. VNN has since become a major outlet for white supremacists critical of the National Alliance. Linder also publishes The Aryan Alternative.

Linder is not currently affiliated with any other extremist or nationalist groups.

Linder In His Own Words

"Whites already know blacks are stupid, violent, destructive apelike creatures. That is why Whites move away from them -- always. "
June 7, 2005

"[Jews] are nation wreckers. We WHITE MEN created the nations they wreck. It is time for us to engage in wrecking of our own. DEATH TO THE JEWS."
May 1, 2005

"What Holocaust? It never happened. It's a Big Lie. It is propaganda made possible by jewish [sic] control of the media and the governments of the West. It is used by jews [sic] to steal billions of dollars from honest White men, and those dollars are used to hasten whites toward their genocide. "
May 2005

"Jews lie as reflexively and unthinkingly as humans breathe. "
March 24, 2005


There are three minor problems with this profile:

1. I don't personally consider Alex Linder to be a neo-Nazi, though he is an anti-Semite and a white supremacist. Can the ADL be forgiven for not making the distinction?

2. The profile implies that Alex Linder is lying when he says he grew up as an "upper-middle-class suburban kid" and went to college, but it doesn't explain why we should doubt his statements.

3. The use of "[sic]" in the profile implies that Linder has poor grammar and writing skills (and all that that entails), when it is commonly known that Linder doesn't capitalize the words "Jew" and "Jewish" on purpose.

Other than that, I think the profile is accurate and is a fair representation of what Alex Linder believes.

Here's what the SPLC says (http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=215#32) about Edgar J. Steele:


Coming Out
Edgar J. Steele, 58 | SAGLE, Idaho

Edgar Steele was a little-known lawyer with some unconventional ideas in the northern reaches of Idaho until he took the case that would make him something of a celebrity on the radical right - defending the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations* and its leader against a 2000 lawsuit brought by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).

After he lost the case - which he described as an attack on free speech - Steele abandoned any effort to appear mainstream, now publicly singling out "the Jews" as being behind all that ails America.

Steele graduated from college in 1967 and then served four years in the Coast Guard, rising to command a radio-navigation station in the East China Sea. Shortly afterward, he earned a master's degree in business at the University of California at Berkeley, and worked at several corporations. But Steele soon decided to change professions and graduated from UCLA with a law degree in 1982, going to work for two years at a San Francisco firm but then setting up shop as a sole practitioner.

Today, Edgar Steele describes a Jewish lawyer who once worked for him and supposedly tried to steal his clients as a principal "trigger" for his realization that Jews are "predatory." But that attitude was not public when he took the Aryan Nations case, which the SPLC had filed on behalf of a woman and her son terrorized by Aryan security guards.

At around that time, Steele began writing essays suggesting, among other things, that the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing involved a government conspiracy.

In a late 2000 interview published in Resistance, a neo-Nazi magazine, Steele suggested that the FBI stacked the deck against the Aryan Nations by purposely failing to find an important witness. In an essay entitled "The Conspiracy Grows Ever Larger" published two years later, Steele accused the judge in the Aryan Nations case of unfairly refusing to allow him to present evidence, suggesting that it was an example of how "[j]udges and lawyers actively use existing rules and laws, or simply make it up as they go along, in furthering the leftist agenda, particularly when it comes to keeping the spotlight off things they don't want you to know."

Still, as late as September 2001, he was writing on his conspiracypenpal.com (http://www.conspiracypenpal.com) Web site that "the vast majority of American Jews are fine people," some of whom were his "friends." But an Oct. 7, 2002, essay, "It's the Jews, Stupid!!!" put an end to any question about his virulent anti-Semitism.

In 2002, Steele filed an amicus brief for the anti-black hate group Council of Conservative Citizens* in a case that sought to invalidate a Virginia law outlawing cross burning. More recently, he gave a June 2003 speech to a conference of the Holocaust-denying magazine The Barnes Review*.

And on July 12, taking on one more enemy, he posted the latest of scores of essays on his Web site - the first of a multi-part series, "In Defense of Racism," that attacks blacks for their alleged intellectual inferiority.


I can't verify that the Council of Conservative Citizens is an "anti-black hate group," since I don't know anything about them. Other than that, the SPLC's profile is spot on, wouldn't you say?

Groups like the ADL and the SPLC don't have to make anything up to discredit White Nationalists. The reality is bad enough as it is.

[Dr. No]

The paleo-conservative movement is a possibility. I know, they don't "name the jew" enough. They don't wear swazis in 21st century America or talk of deporting all non-whites either, which is a major plus. Some of them are very influential, but they won't bring RAHOWA or the day of the rope. I would bet that never comes.

Immigration, Israel, globalization and foreign entanglements is what they do focus on, which is a start.

Sounds good. Sign me up.

[Vindex]

This is a problem, with many people in the "movement" they see jews as a Race. When if anything there a culture/ethic band across all Races, mixed Race included. Good point about the original Nazis and dealing with jews is not as black and White as people today think. No doubt a part of this is the current jew propaganda itself painting it as so. And not just the Race "movement."

The real reason the Nazis deported a lot of jews was because they where obvious Racial hybrids, and a threat to the German gene pool, where Germans who where Racially White and jewish, where allowed to stay and there where even thousands of White jews in the Nazi party. Ironical yes the jew writer of Der Stuermer, and he was paided quite well as he was so good at it. Julius let him work there but refused to ever shake his hand they say.lol




What is it with neo-Nazis wanting to exterminate every last man, woman, and child who has a drop of Jewish blood in their veins? Wasn't one of the most anti-Semitic writers for Der Stuermer, Jonas Wolk, a Jew? Weren't there hundreds of thousands of half-Jews in the German armed forces during the Second World War?

[Dances with Wolves]

Sounds good. Sign me up.


There ya have it folks. Paleo-Conservatism is the answer. The same crowd that is now sitting in the backseat with their thumbs up their ass while the jewish neocons run american foreign policy. The same William F. Buckley who hauled ass to Spain to test the fine wines of Europa while the niggers were burning American cities in the 60s. The same Pat Buchanan who chose a nigger as his running mate while proclaiming the need to "assimulate" the hords of the turd world. This is the answer to the Jewish onslaught.

LOL and you call Neo-Nazis nuts?

[Dr. No]

There ya have it folks. Paleo-Conservatism is the answer. The same crowd that is now sitting in the backseat with their thumbs up their ass while the jewish neocons run american foreign policy. The same William F. Buckley who hauled ass to Spain to test the fine wines of Europa while the niggers were burning American cities in the 60s. The same Pat Buchanan who chose a nigger as his running mate while proclaiming the need to "assimulate" the hords of the turd world. This is the answer to the Jewish onslaught.

LOL and you call Neo-Nazis nuts?

What's your solution to the "Jewish onslaught," ?


<let's remain somewhat civil>-88mm

[Keystone]

There ya have it folks. Paleo-Conservatism is the answer. The same crowd that is now sitting in the backseat with their thumbs up their ass while the jewish neocons run american foreign policy.
Pat Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts, the late Sam Francis, Joe Sobran, Peter Brimelow, Thomas Fleming, Charley Reese, Lou Dobbs....paleos all. Lot's more where they came from. Influential, intelligent people who have a following and deserve a much larger one. Not a Racial Holy Warrior amongst them.
The same Pat Buchanan who chose a nigger as his running mate while proclaiming the need to "assimulate" the hords of the turd world. This is the answer to the Jewish onslaught.
Buchanan ran...what have you? David Duke? The professional race hustler and playa?

LOL and you call Neo-Nazis nuts?
Running around in costumes sieg-heiling in America? Yep, they're nuts. Or stupid. Or both.

[Keystone]

It's not as easy to generalise white nationalists as it is with nutzis, I find that white nationalists are a much more varied group.
Ya, but the baggage is too much. There's hardly a leader or role model who hasn't disqualified himself from public life.

[Uberberserker]

I've got to be honest with you. Your mentality reminds me of the teenager who's just latched on to the latest "forbidden" subculture - punk rock, goth, wicca, satanism, industrial music, the drug scene, homosexuality - and is intent on proving to their Sunday school teacher that there are really lots of "good people" involved in it, that it's been misrepresented and misunderstood, and that it's wrong to be judgemental about it.

Naw, I just am more concerned that people are accurate in what they are saying, that is all.

As far as worrying about 'good people' I am, like Nietzsche... Beyond Good and Evil, lets take a look at Vargsmal:

Vargmal by Varg Vikernes

There are no "good" and "evil" in heathendom. We are, as Nietzsche said: Jenseits von Gut und Buse ! (Beyond good and evil) We plead not to be "the good" and we don't say that those we fight against are "the evil". We are Germanic and fight against all non-Germanic, or all who are not in harmony with out Germanic nature and are aggressive or try to injure us. For we are Germanic, the best and all others bad, but we also know that for other people the Germanic is bad and their own the best, with the exception of the things we have in common so to speak. But what we have in common we have likewise in our own unique way, the majority have pride, but it is only use who have Germanic pride! The others have their own, or none. We can't be proud of being roman, for we are not Romans, likewise can they not be proud of being Germanic, for they are not Germanic.

We had massive respect when we once lived as Germans. The Romans feared furor Teutonicus (the Germanic race) and the entire Europe asked to the Jew-god to deliver them from the northmen's fury in the Viking times! Today we cannot hear prayers about rescue from the northmen's barbarians in homes and churches in Europe. For a little part of us so small have begun to live as proud Germans again.

I can't verify that the Council of Conservative Citizens is an "anti-black hate group," since I don't know anything about them.

Here is the CofCCs website if one wants to peruse it and decide for themselves: cofcc.org

Groups like the ADL and the SPLC don't have to make anything up to discredit White Nationalists. The reality is bad enough as it is.

Whew, it is a good thing I am not a White Nationalist so I have nothing to worry about!

[Dances with Wolves]

Pat Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts, the late Sam Francis, Joe Sobran, Peter Brimelow, Thomas Fleming, Charley Reese, Lou Dobbs....paleos all. Lot's more where they came from. Influential, intelligent people who have a following and deserve a much larger one. Not a Racial Holy Warrior amongst them.

Yes, not a Racial Holy Warrior among them. Plenty of culture destroying jews though, that's for sure.


Buchanan ran...what have you? David Duke? The professional race hustler and playa?


Buchanan ran! Buchanan ran! What was the end result? He was as ineffectual as Duke. BTW, he probably would have made a stronger showing if he hadn't ran with a niggress.

For the record, I am not a German National Socialist or a "neo-nazi". In fact I happen to agree that groups like the NSM hurt rather than help with solving our common problems.

[Starr]

Ralph Nader got more votes than Buchanan, if I remember right.

he probably would have made a stronger showing if he hadn't ran with a niggress.

I assumed he only did this because of his reputation among some as being a racist. It was also probably for the future, since I am sure he knew that he did not have a chance in hell of actually winning the election.

[Keystone]

Buchanan ran! Buchanan ran! What was the end result? He was as ineffectual as Duke. BTW, he probably would have made a stronger showing if he hadn't ran with a niggress.
Buchanan gets his mug on mainstream TV on a regular basis. That means people get to hear his views. He's a syndicated columnist. That means he gets read by millions of people. Of course he only does this with the blessing of the "the jooz", no doubt.

For the record, I am not a German National Socialist or a "neo-nazi". In fact I happen to agree that groups like the NSM hurt rather than help with solving our common problems.
Good.

[Kodos]

Buchanan gets his mug on mainstream TV on a regular basis. That means people get to hear his views. He's a syndicated columnist. That means he gets read by millions of people. Of course he only does this with the blessing of the "the jooz", no doubt.


Good.

Buchanan isn't very effective, and while his views on immigration are sound his populist rhetoric on other issues is as scary to the middle class as it( supposedly is) to the elite. Which is why I think he is allowed occasionally to speak in the mainstream media.

The last person in the US who got immigration reformed passed was the Warren G Harding, a man probably selected( much like Dubya) because he was thought to be stupid and controllable... but unlike Bush he had a certain integrity and wanted to do good for the country and despite some flaws was definitely one of the greatest presidents of the 20th century...

I think it will take a similar good man in a boob's clothing to ever change anything on that issue...

[Vindex]

If voting changed anything it would be made illlegal.

[daisy]

dr. no posted if you ask me, "the system" has the neo-nazis exactly where it wants them - talking in chat rooms all day long about how they're going to overthrow the government someday. true__________

[Dances with Wolves]

Right now, there isn't anything anyone can do except talk. The trick is to speak in revolutionary terms, not reactionary, right-wing terms. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.

[zenero]

Right now, there isn't anything anyone can do except talk. The trick is to speak in revolutionary terms, not reactionary, right-wing terms. Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.I did activism in California, what nearly got me arrested with my Californian state flag with a WP sign on it. In Wisconsin i got arrested for battered assault against a negro.

That's the same thing that's gonna happen with any Racist, WN's, and people who are sick and tired of losing their jobs because of spicanos invading the southern states or critizing the goddamn motherfucking Groids !

So i approve what you're saying,,, ''Propoganda is a way'' to fight multi-racialisme. Im all for a Folk-Nationalist goverment, anything accept for a Nazi-Regime or a WN homeland. Altough, that's not a bad idea, but it's just wont coming..