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Starr
11-15-2006, 09:06 PM
His most important reason? Religion promotes hate against homosexuals.:nopity:

He is thinking as a tiny minority(homosexual) when saying this and accusing others of being intolerant. Sir Elton should learn the meaning of the phrase "the pot calling the kettle black"

Sir Elton John has said he would like to see all organised religion banned and accused it of trying to "turn hatred towards gay people".
Organised religion lacked compassion and turned people into "hateful lemmings", he told the Observer.

But the musician said he loved the idea of the teachings of Jesus Christ and the beautiful stories about it which he had learned at Sunday school.

And he said there were many gays he knew who loved their religion.

'Doesn't work'

His comments were made in a special gay edition of the Observer Music Monthly Magazine, where he was interviewed by Scissor Sisters' Jake Shears.

"I think religion has always tried to turn hatred towards gay people," he said. "Religion promotes the hatred and spite against gays.

"But there are so many people I know who are gay and love their religion."

According to the singer-songwriter, 59, his solution would be to "ban religion completely, even though there are some wonderful things about it".

He added: "I love the idea of the teachings of Jesus Christ and the beautiful stories about it, which I loved in Sunday school and I collected all the little stickers and put them in my book.

"But the reality is that organised religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate."

He also said that the problems experienced by many gays in former nations of the Soviet bloc, such as Poland, Latvia and Russia were caused by the church supporting anti-gay movements.

'God's people'

And he called on the leaders of major religions to hold a "conclave" to discuss the fate of the world - which he said was "near escalating to World War Three".

"I said this after 9/11 and people thought I was nuts," he said. "It's all got to be dialogue - that's the only way. Get everybody from each religion together and say 'Listen, this can't go on. Why do we have all this hatred?'

"We are all God's people; we have to get along and the [religious leaders] have to lead the way. If they don't do it, who else is going to do it? They're not going to do it and it's left to musicians or to someone else to deal with it."

He also said he would continue to campaign for gay rights.

"I'm going to fight for them, whether I do it silently behind the scenes or so vocally that I get locked up."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6140710.stm

MrRS
11-15-2006, 09:08 PM
I think they should ban Elton John.;)

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-15-2006, 09:09 PM
If he's a faggot, he needs to consider that communism was a pretty successful fag-killer. So if he wants a marxist dictatorship, he'll be in the gulag.

il ragno
11-15-2006, 09:13 PM
They hand out titles of English nobility like they were door prizes these days. Whoever's got money that they're worried will move to the Continent and tell the taxman to piss off gets Sirred or Ladyed or Lorded these days. Any piece of shit, so long as they got big bank.

If he'd only been born in England, he'd be Lord Snoop Dogg today.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-15-2006, 09:15 PM
A society cannot function properly with homosexuality being put on an equal status of heterosexuality. I don't care if its theocracy, secular, capitalists, marxists, fascist, whatever, some faggots need to understand that their actions run counter to the making of a successful society. And marxists will give fags no santuary. In fact, they'll only take them out faster.

Jimbo Gomez
11-15-2006, 09:23 PM
They should ban flaming homosexuality instead.

Björn
11-15-2006, 09:53 PM
Didn't Elton John and Eminem do a song together?

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-15-2006, 09:54 PM
Didn't Elton John and Eminem do a song together?
Feminem. The wigger boy.

J Van Der Meyde
11-15-2006, 09:56 PM
These faggots are really starting to piss me off.

They already have too much power as it is and still they are not happy.

Kodos
11-15-2006, 09:58 PM
I think they should ban Elton John.;)

I actually like his music, but he is being a gay activist tool here.

Starr
11-15-2006, 09:59 PM
Didn't Elton John and Eminem do a song together?


yes, he did. I heard that his next duet is going to be with Pastor Fred Phelps.

Petr
11-15-2006, 10:01 PM
Miserable poofter that has been knighted. Sir Elton John.

The guy is a veritable emblem of Western decline.


Petr

Arminius
11-15-2006, 10:03 PM
Anyone, that actually cares what that guy has to say, should be sterilized.
He is like countless other egotistical, shallow and idiotic celebrities in the world.

MrRS
11-15-2006, 10:40 PM
I actually like his music, but he is being a gay activist tool here. Anyone who has ever worn these should be banned:
http://www.ticketspecialists.com/concert/concerts_img/elton-john.jpg

Sandee
11-15-2006, 11:52 PM
I think they should ban Elton John.;)

I opened this thread and that's the first thing that came to mind. :D I was going to post something similar.

Don Quixote
11-16-2006, 12:02 AM
Miserable poofter that has been knighted. Sir Elton John.Or rather; miserable has been that is a knighted poofter.

Leshrac
11-16-2006, 12:31 AM
ban Organized Faggots

Note: I don't think the REAL knights would have been warm about the idea of getting a fag in their ranks :P

///M power
11-16-2006, 01:18 AM
he should be burned with his stupid piano!:deadhorse: :deadhorse:

MrRS
11-16-2006, 01:21 AM
he should be burned with his stupid piano!:deadhorse: :deadhorse:Yes he should

Fade the Butcher
11-16-2006, 05:37 AM
A good idea, still.

cryptoracist
11-16-2006, 06:53 AM
But the musician said he loved the idea of the teachings of Jesus Christ and the beautiful stories about it which he had learned at Sunday school.
See how everybody likes Jesus? I think that's amazing to see humans go this many centuries disagreeing about everything and the one thing everybody still agrees on is that Jesus was a great guy.

It's so impressive... it's almost supernatural... ;)

Starr
11-16-2006, 07:08 AM
He probably threw that in just so he would not piss of people too much. A lot of super religious Christians won't like it, but they probably already don't like him anyone considering he is a fag. However his nice little comments about Jesus will passify the ones that believe, but are not that religious, and that buy his music.;)

Ambrosio Spinola
11-16-2006, 10:49 AM
Anyone should be able to believe and organitze themselves as they wish so long as the community does not suffer from their actions and beliefs.

Fade the Butcher
11-16-2006, 11:24 AM
Let's put this in another way. Should parents be allowed to brainwash their children into believing they are immortal?

Petr
11-16-2006, 11:30 AM
Let's put this in another way. Should parents be allowed to brainwash their children into believing they are immortal?
Perhaps you should stop your WN activities and concentrate on being a mediocre anti-religion carny like Dawkins.

(And of course it's brainwashing only when religious people do it. There is no such thing as atheist brainwashing.)


Petr

Fade the Butcher
11-16-2006, 11:59 AM
Perhaps you should stop your WN activities and concentrate on being a mediocre anti-religion carny like Dawkins.

I'm not a WN.

(And of course it's brainwashing only when religious people do it. There is no such thing as atheist brainwashing.)

No, there are good reasons for being an atheist. I have yet to hear any good reasons for becoming a Christian. Back to my point. Should parents be allowed to brainwash their children into believing they are immortal?

Ex.1) This life is only temporary. A better life awaits you after death. Don't worry. Go on, jump off the cliff. You will be fine.

Ex.2) Try sticking that pair of scissors into an electrical socket. It won't do any serious harm to you. You have an immortal soul.

Jimbo Gomez
11-16-2006, 05:46 PM
If you'd know even the most basic things about the religion you choose to trash fade, you'd know that religious people would never tell anyone to commit suicide. Guess what happens to your soul according to Christian doctrin if you commit suicide... I know you don't give a rat's ass but at least do some research before making an ass out of yourself.

Der Sozialist
11-16-2006, 08:01 PM
Let's put this in another way. Should parents be allowed to brainwash their children into believing they are immortal?

I agree but if forbidding religious parents from indoctrinating their children is too "extreme" for some people so here are some reasonable suggestions:


Remove the tax exempt status that organized religion enjoys
Do not recognize religious private schools as an alternative to public schools (thus forcing students to attend a secular private school that meets the state’s guidelines or more appropriately, forces the student to attend a public school)
Implement a secular curriculum which not only requires the teaching of evolution but also a course dedicated to the debunking of ID and creationism

Petr
11-16-2006, 08:04 PM
I agree but if forbidding religious parents from indoctrinating their children is too "extreme" for some people so here are some reasonable suggestions:


Remove the tax exempt status that organized religion enjoys
Do not recognize religious private schools as an alternative to public schools (thus forcing students to attend a secular private school that meets the state’s guidelines or more appropriately, forces the student to attend a public school)
Implement a secular curriculum which not only requires the teaching of evolution but also a course dedicated to the debunking of ID and creationism

Do you enjoy playing totalitarian fantasies safe from mumsy and daddy's basement, little teenaged wimp?


Petr

Helios Panoptes
11-16-2006, 08:07 PM
Those are good ideas, Der Sozialist. :)

Der Sozialist
11-16-2006, 08:08 PM
Do you enjoy playing totalitarian fantasies safe from mumsy and daddy's basement, little teenaged wimp?


Petr

I am not in my "mommy’s" basement (or my "mommy's" home for that matter)—but when I am at home I usually post from my room which is located on the second floor. :p

Boleslaw
11-16-2006, 08:11 PM
The Soviet Union didnt even ban parental religious instruction, in fact that was the only form of religious instruction allowed.

Guess this shows how Fade wants the state to interfere in every minute detail of peoples lives. He definately advocates this to absurd levels in this thread:
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5088

Petr
11-16-2006, 08:16 PM
Guess this shows how Fade wants the state to interfere in every minute detail of peoples lives. He definately advocates this to absurd levels in this thread:
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5088
Fade proudly calls himself "progressive," mocks traditional conservatism and apparently rejects the concept of limited government that would stand in the way of his utopian schemes.


Petr

Der Sozialist
11-16-2006, 08:18 PM
The Soviet Union didnt even ban parental religious instruction, in fact that was the only form of religious instruction allowed.

Guess this shows how Fade wants the state to interfere in every minute detail of peoples lives. He definately advocates this to absurd levels in this thread:
http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5088
Since organized religions like Christianity and Islam have prosecuted, executed, imprisoned, excommunicated, etc. Atheists, agnostics, and anyone who didn’t slavishly genuflect to the Abrahamic God—it comes off as hypocritical when Christians complain about being "oppressed".

Hermetic
11-16-2006, 08:25 PM
http://www.exposingchristianity.com/OUT.gif

Dr. Gutberlet
11-16-2006, 09:45 PM
Okay, I just purchased a Teutonic Knight costume online so I can at least look authentic as I am killing these non-believers...Alright, it's just a lousy t-shirt:

http://www.zazzle.com/mathydd/product/235315255591391011

LastResort56
11-16-2006, 11:28 PM
Man, where's a muslim when you need one;)

OVERWATCH
11-16-2006, 11:30 PM
While I am firmly of the belief that organised religion is a blight upon humanity, I am not so sure I would go so far as to 'ban' it. People of a like faith are going to wish to congregate amongst themselves to share and explore their beliefs; denying people this right would only inflame things, create new problems, and do nothing to cleanse the populace of bad ideas.

However, churches should have their tax-exempt status revoked, because charlatans and ne'er do-wells gravitate to this line of supernatural hucksterism. Church is a big business in the US of A, some of them are humongous monstrosities that moreso resemble shopping malls. They brandish bottomless coffers filled with gold which they use to influence policy and law for the worse. It's time to make these bums pay their way, like everyone else.

Fade the Butcher
11-17-2006, 05:49 AM
If you'd know even the most basic things about the religion you choose to trash fade, you'd know that religious people would never tell anyone to commit suicide. Guess what happens to your soul according to Christian doctrin if you commit suicide... I know you don't give a rat's ass but at least do some research before making an ass out of yourself.

I wasn't referring specifically to Christianity, but the process of indoctrinating children in potentially fatal nonsense. Should parents be allowed to brainwash their child into believing he is Napoleon?

Fade the Butcher
11-17-2006, 05:51 AM
The Soviet Union didnt even ban parental religious instruction, in fact that was the only form of religious instruction allowed.

What happened to non-believers in Christian Europe for centuries?

OVERWATCH
11-17-2006, 06:51 AM
I wasn't referring specifically to Christianity, but the process of indoctrinating children in potentially fatal nonsense. Should parents be allowed to brainwash their child into believing he is Napoleon?

There is a lot to be said about all that pie-in-the-sky nonsense giving people some illusion of eternal bliss in reward for their faith, thereby making it easy for them to devalue their own life and look to the heavens as the easy way out.

To the nine hells with all that religious hokum; lets address real problems, not the imaginary problems that sky-daddy is concerned with.

Petr
11-17-2006, 08:44 AM
To the nine hells with all that religious hokum; lets address real problems, not the imaginary problems that sky-daddy is concerned with.
Is there any clearer sign of juvenile modernist ignorance than calling God "sky-daddy"? Lord, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing.

Many members of this forum decry modernist corruption while being themselves thoroughly tainted by it. Even Adolf Hitler (in Table Talks) considered atheism to be a return to animalism.


Petr

Jimbo Gomez
11-17-2006, 09:57 AM
I wasn't referring specifically to Christianity, but the process of indoctrinating children in potentially fatal nonsense. Should parents be allowed to brainwash their child into believing he is Napoleon?


I believe the proper name for this 'argument' of yours would be 'bullshit'.

Fade the Butcher
11-17-2006, 10:57 AM
Is there any clearer sign of juvenile modernist ignorance than calling God "sky-daddy"? Lord, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing.

I prefer sky-fairy myself.

Fade the Butcher
11-17-2006, 10:58 AM
Even Adolf Hitler (in Table Talks) considered atheism to be a return to animalism.


Petr

Funny how theists blame atheism for Nazism.

Petr
11-17-2006, 11:00 AM
The quality of your quips has suffered massive inflation. Keep em' soundbites coming! :p


Petr

Fade the Butcher
11-17-2006, 11:00 AM
I believe the proper name for this 'argument' of yours would be 'bullshit'.

You believe you are immortal, right? :p

Fade the Butcher
11-17-2006, 11:02 AM
The quality of your quips has suffered massive inflation. Keep em' soundbites coming! :p


Petr

BTW, I was wondering: which particular sect do you belong to? I know it is some form of Protestantism.

Jimbo Gomez
11-17-2006, 11:04 AM
You believe you are immortal, right? :p


I believe you are immoral.

Fade the Butcher
11-17-2006, 11:56 AM
I believe you are immoral.

I have never murdered anyone out of anger. If we take the Bible at face value, we can't say the same for your god.

Jimbo Gomez
11-17-2006, 01:14 PM
I have never murdered anyone out of anger. If we take the Bible at face value, we can't say the same for your god.


God is the source of all justice. Stop talking nonsense.

OVERWATCH
11-17-2006, 03:00 PM
God is the source of all justice. Stop talking nonsense.

The Christling God loves us, and you.

The Christling's God's love is so profound that, if you don't blindly accept the tale of Jesus Christ being His son, and having died for our sins, and accept it in full, that he will, upon your death, inescapably lock your immortal soul into an indestructible steel cage, and plunge it full force into a searing, bubbling lake of magma, where the molten rock and iron will eternally burn every bit of your flesh from your bones, over and over again. There shall be no relent. You shall be as an exposed brain, trailing your spinal cord and all your nerves, swimming like a jellyfish in a sea of superheated molten glass, without reprieve, for all eternity.

This is a just punishment for being skeptical and demanding proof.

The Christling God is indeed a wise and loving creature of justice.

Dr. Gutberlet
11-17-2006, 03:27 PM
What happened to non-believers in Christian Europe for centuries?


They were both tortured and executed as they should have been. Who shall suffer a heretic to live?:bbbat:

Jimbo Gomez
11-17-2006, 03:30 PM
No they weren't. Jews were tolerated to be jews (apart from the occasional 'incident'), the rest got a chance to convert.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-17-2006, 03:47 PM
Jews may have been tolerated. Pagans were not.

that guy
11-17-2006, 04:08 PM
No they weren't. Jews were tolerated to be jews (apart from the occasional 'incident'), the rest got a chance to convert.
They were tolerated by the good Christian folk. I doubt the almighty would be as understanding. A sea of molten glass comes to mind. Admit it, Burns, you have to be one hell of an egomaniac to burn people for a GD eternity for the sin of not believing what some people tell them (and that is what 99.9% of religion really is – what other people tell you. Hence you are a Christian and Sandee is a Hindu). There are decent atheists out there, Burns, and I for one think their sentence should be reduced to a billion years of torture.

cryptoracist
11-17-2006, 04:36 PM
I believe you are immoral.
God instructs us not to judge one another... that is His job.

Every time you point out another's sin you are sinning. While it's easier to sweep around someone else's porch, this doesn't clean the dirt off of your own porch.

Not to mention you are making all Christians look like judgemental, blind and confused assholes... Jesus wasn't a big fan of people like that.

Why use Jesus' name to act evil? You can use Satan's name for that... ;)

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-17-2006, 04:39 PM
God instructs us not to judge one another... that is His job.

Every time you point out another's sin you are sinning. While it's easier to sweep around someone else's porch, this doesn't clean the dirt off of your own porch.

Not to mention you are making all Christians look like judgemental, blind and confused assholes... Jesus wasn't a big fan of people like that.

Why use Jesus' name to act evil? You can use Satan's name for that... ;)
At least you aren't a hypocrit. I respect that. The others that use it as a personal club are hypocrits.

Petr
11-17-2006, 04:45 PM
The Christling's God's love is so profound that, if you don't blindly accept the tale of Jesus Christ being His son, and having died for our sins, and accept it in full, that he will, upon your death, inescapably lock your immortal soul into an indestructible steel cage, and plunge it full force into a searing, bubbling lake of magma, where the molten rock and iron will eternally burn every bit of your flesh from your bones, over and over again. There shall be no relent. You shall be as an exposed brain, trailing your spinal cord and all your nerves, swimming like a jellyfish in a sea of superheated molten glass, without reprieve, for all eternity.
I actually believe that earthly words cannot do proper justice to heavenly things. I believe that Hell is going to be something worse, and Heaven something better, than any metaphor of human language can describe.

This piece may interest you:

Honor and Pain

http://www.tektonics.org/uz/2muchshame.html

This is a just punishment for being skeptical and demanding proof.
Poor pity you. You are so innocent and undeserving of punishment.

Proof has been given, through both natural and Scriptural revelations, but you just have not been impressed by it.


Petr

cryptoracist
11-17-2006, 04:48 PM
At least you aren't a hypocrit. I respect that. The others that use it as a personal club are hypocrits.
I'm cautious of any belief system that takes a group chorus to validate. I'm also cautious of anything that results in someone having power over another based on the intangible.

Using religion to judge another is a way to control another without anything "tangible" to justify and resonate sound reasoning as for why someone else should be able to control your life.

A fine example would be celibate people who are also Christians. They are rarely celibate in quiet (as Jesus instructed us to practice and pray) no, in fact they are almost always screaming from the rooftops about their celibacy choice as if to control others into choosing the same path... via guilt or shame.

That's a control tactic and I wish they'd leave God outta crap like that.

Politics is the other one I could go on forever about... more bullshit excuses to control another persons life... all in the name of God... and it makes people resent God like Fade does and after some of the snotty so-called Christian posts in this threa I find myself feeling it's hopeless to even try to convince Dadelus that God is really about love and acceptance and not greed and control.

:confused:

cryptoracist
11-17-2006, 04:56 PM
BTW, how many Christians here actually believe in a literal hell?

IDK cause I don't practice my faith in popular social cliches.... but I'm guessing that not many young thinking progressive Christians believe that God could be so senseless and cruel.

What about ya'll?

Do ya'll believe in hell? I personally would not like to spend an hour with a God who could even concieve of such a thing... let alone an eternity.

:negro:

A God that gets off on torture would suck.

Petr
11-17-2006, 05:05 PM
IDK cause I don't practice my faith in popular social cliches.... but I'm guessing that not many young thinking progressive Christians believe that God could be so senseless and cruel.
Such liberal apostates are a useless bunch who are probably compromised in many other areas as well and have no right to call themselves Christians.


Petr

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-17-2006, 05:25 PM
Such liberal apostates are a useless bunch who are probably compromised in many other areas as well and have no right to call themselves Christians.


Petr
Self-doubt is quite common. If that's the case, you are alienating very many people. Maybe you believe that is for the good. Who knows?

Petr
11-17-2006, 05:31 PM
Self-doubt is quite common. If that's the case, you are alienating very many people. Maybe you believe that is for the good. Who knows?
We are not talking about any "self-doubts," which are indeed quite natural, but denying Hell is outright heresy.


Petr

cryptoracist
11-17-2006, 05:36 PM
Self-doubt is quite common. If that's the case, you are alienating very many people. Maybe you believe that is for the good. Who knows?
Careful, you are speaking as if Petr really acts/speaks on the behalf of God.

Petr is alienating himself... I'll be right over here... with my Lord and Savior and the rest of us that can manage to love each other without conditions.

If he gets lonely... he can always come back. :negro:






God is especially forgiving like that... ;) I just try to follow humbly in His footsteps.

cryptoracist
11-17-2006, 05:40 PM
Such liberal apostates are a useless bunch who are probably compromised in many other areas as well and have no right to call themselves Christians.


Petr
Wow!

You sound just like Jesus! :p



I betcha he's glad you hired yourself to do His PR...

















(Just kidding, Lord, you know me...I kid, I kid) :negro:

Fade the Butcher
11-18-2006, 01:30 PM
God is the source of all justice. Stop talking nonsense.

Would you slit your sister's throat and make a burnt offering of her if God asked you to do it?

Lily
11-18-2006, 02:06 PM
Would you slit your sister's throat and make a burnt offering of her if God asked you to do it?
How do atheists rationalise the creation of the universe? I have heard the 'big bang' theory, but how did that happen? How can something 'explode' if there is nothing to cause it? :confused:

Jimbo Gomez
11-18-2006, 03:15 PM
Would you slit your sister's throat and make a burnt offering of her if God asked you to do it?


Stop trolling.

that guy
11-18-2006, 03:45 PM
How do atheists rationalise the creation of the universe? I have heard the 'big bang' theory, but how did that happen? How can something 'explode' if there is nothing to cause it? :confused:
Bip, you are asking the wrong question. Our universe is but a dot in the "never-ending outer limits". The only question you need to ask is can something exist in these never-ending outer limits? So what do you think? Is it more "logical" for nothing to exist for all eternity, or for something to exist? Eventually something will exist, no?

And if you think that something can indeed exist, then you will also have to agree that everything must exist, because the never-ending outer limits are just so GD big, that every hypothetical reality that you can dream of has a 100% likelihood of existing somewhere out there. In fact, every hypothetical reality exists an infinite number of times.

Oddly enough, I was just talking about this with a very good friend of mine. I was explaining to her why movies like "Star Wars" are actually based on true stories that really did happen. But rather than in a galaxy far far away, Star Wars probably happened in a universe far far away. I wonder how that friend of mine is doing... Anyway, so that's how the big bang can happen.

As for the precise forces generating the big bang – I don't really know. I don't think anybody knows. What did you expect from 21st century humans?

However, I assume that fairly typical forces worked together in generating our lovely universe. For example, one option is that gravity pulled the pre-universe matter together (much like gravity has created the sun and the earth). This in turn may have caused the matter to "heat up" like the sun, just way hotter. Did you ever see a supernova? Maybe the big bang was simply a huge supernova-like event. Maybe our universe is actually like a galaxy, and there was actually an even greater big bang that created the material for trillions of universes.

Yes, I am sure that some of the universes in the "never-ending outer limits" do have a god. I am sure that some of these universes do have a Moses and a Jesus and a Buddha. But those are terribly rare, Bip.

diabloblanco
11-18-2006, 04:08 PM
Do you enjoy playing totalitarian fantasies safe from mumsy and daddy's basement, little teenaged wimp?


Petr

Its amazing that you have supports of secular interracialist tyranny masquerading as nationalists. The government schools have been the biggest factor of interracialism, racemixing and hatred of Whites in existence, equalled only by the media
While there are fine pro-White people who are atheists, agnoistics.etc 98% of them are full blown interracialists. The overwhelming majority of those who have attacked religion also attack nationalism and racialism
How could anyone possibly suggest that those using the public schools to destroy our race and culture be given utterly total power over the minds of our children?

PARA DIOS, RAZA Y PATRIA!

DIABLOBLANCO!