The Phora Crusade??

[Boleslaw]

In light of the heavy amount of Christian-bashing that has been occuring here lately, I move that we Phora Christians launch a Second Crusade against the infidels.

Same rules apply as with the first one:
"Decorate your profiles (that is avatars and signatures as well as profile information) with Christian symbols you adhere most to, make their eyes hurt as they have no soul to be hurt, open frequently threads on greatness of Christianity and our Lord Jesus Christ and our faith."

March forward Christian soldiers!
http://course.lib.uci.edu/ed/spirit/focus/image4.jpg

[Jimbo Gomez]

I think this will be the third or fourth Crusade already, not the second.

[Boleslaw]

The number isnt important. The important thing is to motivate us believers into action!

[Helios Panoptes]

In light of the heavy amount of Christian-bashing that has been occuring here lately, I move that we Phora Christians launch a Second Crusade against the infidels.

I have a better idea. Let us reenact the edicts of Valerian.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

The good doctor is in.

[Björn]

This is a great idea.

[Ace Rimmer]

My crusade never ended in the first place.

Always in!

[Hachiko]

Can I be in too?

[Boleslaw]

Sure we can use sympathizers.

[Der Sozialist]

Just out of curiosity, what do you hope to accomplish—the banishment of all non-believers?

[Hachiko]

Just out of curiosity, what do you hope to accomplish—the banishment of all non-believers?
Yeah, and I want to kick the crap out of some Muslims too.
Just to brighten my day. :D

[Dr. Gutberlet]

Just out of curiosity, what do you hope to accomplish—the banishment of all non-believers?


No, merely their execution:bbbat:

[Sandee]

Hey, you're the infidel. I have recently pledged my will to Allah. When I enter heaven, I will be blessed with 72 white raisins.

Something is terribly wrong with this picture. Why is it always men who get the best deal in heaven? Why not 72 virgin males for the devout Islamic female devotees? :confused:

[shanemac]

That's a good point...

It raises the question... why would any woman want to be muslim? They get a pretty shitty deal on earth... wearing the Burka every day, not being allowed outside the house without a male relative or whatever. Then when they die and go to muslim heaven it just gets worse... they get to be in a harem with 71 other chicks waiting to have sex with some crazed terrorist who just blew himself up for Allah.

[Hrolf Kraki]

I would support a Christian crusade against the Muslims. Where do I sign up? :viking:

[Hachiko]

I would support a Christian crusade against the Muslims. Where do I sign up? :viking:
Sign up at your local Phora Crusade Recruiting Center.
Bring at least 3 bloody turbans and/or burkas as proof of intent.

[Insidium]

Something is terribly wrong with this picture. Why is it always men who get the best deal in heaven? Why not 72 virgin males for the devout Islamic female devotees? :confused:

I don't think you read my post right. According to what I've read, the 72 virgins thing is just a mistranslation. It's supposed to be 72 white raisins. :dance2:

[Sandee]

I don't think you read my post right. According to what I've read, the 72 virgins thing is just a mistranslation. It's supposed to be 72 white raisins. :dance2:

I thought you were err... joking about the raisins bit.

So, I researched:

Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran disappear if we read certain words as being Syriac and not Arabic. We cannot go into the technical details of his methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the faithful in suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and LVI.22. Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/saturday_review/story/0,3605,631332,00.html

LOL!

However, it doesn't make sense. Why mention 72? Why not just raisins?

Contrary to other religions that offer heaven by good works and Christianity that offers it for free to those who believe and follow Jesus Christ, a obedient Muslim can not be sure of his hereafter without it. Muslims are offered a palace; in it are 72 mansions with 72 homes with 72 sheets on 72 beds with 72 virgins that never lose their virginity. Mohammed said, “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed).” (Al Bukhari vol. 1:35.) “They [true believers] will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches” (Sura 37:48). This gives us insight into their denial of this life and being rewarded in the next. The promise of heaven to those who die in battle for the cause of Allah is quite a promise.

I read this is not mentioned in the Koran but the Hadith... What's the difference? If only we had muslim posters... I think I'm going to go on that islamica board (http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/) again to ask a few questions. :D They'd probably neg rep me/ban me but worth a try (Yes, they're that intolerant!).

This is what I came across meanwhile:

There is of course the very celebrated tradition that martyrs from jihad go immediately to Paradise where they are rewarded with 72 virgins. The following verses in the Qur'an provide the foundation, although the number of virgins is not specified:

Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah, - whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). (4:74)

As to the Righteous (they will be) in a position of Security, among Gardens and Springs; dressed in fine silk and in rich brocade, they will face each other; So; and We shall join them to Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes. (44:51-54)

As to the Righteous, they will be in Gardens, and in Happiness, - Enjoying the (Bliss) which their Lord hath bestowed on them, and their Lord shall deliver them from the Penalty of the Fire. (To them will be said:) "Eat and drink ye, with profit and health, because of your (good) deeds." They will recline (with ease) on Thrones (of dignity) arranged in ranks; and We shall join them to Companions, with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes. (52:17-20)

They will recline on Carpets, whose inner linings will be of rich brocade: the Fruit of the Gardens will be near (and easy of reach). Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny? In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched. (55:54-59 [see also 55:70-74])

And on Thrones (of Dignity), raised high. We have created (their Companions) of special creation. And made them virgin - pure (and undefiled), - Beloved (by nature), equal in age, - For the Companions of the Right Hand. (56:34-38)

Verily for the Righteous there will be a fulfilment of (the heart's) desires; Gardens enclosed, and grapevines; And voluptuous women of equal age; And a cup full (to the brim). (78:31-34)

And so from the Qur'an itself we see that sex is a reward for the faithful in Paradise. These "companions" are the houris of renown, beautiful young maidens. They will even be virgins, "whom no man or Jinn before them has touched."

http://www.peacewithrealism.org/jihad/jihad03.htm


^ I can't see the connection with food and drinks. Maybe the virgins come with the wine and what not.

[Sandee]

They replied. :)

http://www.islamicaweb.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=57219

[Burrhus]

Something is terribly wrong with this picture. Why is it always men who get the best deal in heaven? Why not 72 virgin males for the devout Islamic female devotees? :confused:

And where would allah find 72 male virgins? Women consider their virginity a gift to be relinquished; men consider their viginity a burden to be rid of.

We are different, Sweety.

[Keystone]

In light of the heavy amount of Christian-bashing that has been occuring here lately, I move that we Phora Christians launch a Second Crusade against the infidels.

March forward Christian soldiers!
http://course.lib.uci.edu/ed/spirit/focus/image4.jpg
Can't we just have a nice bingo this time?

[///M power]

I would support a Christian crusade against the Muslims. Where do I sign up? :viking:

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/7649/co6ddqk1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[kultron]

This Crusade will end like all others before it: in failure.

[Kodos]

I would support a Christian crusade against the Muslims. Where do I sign up? :viking:

Yeah exactly, whether athiest, pagan or christian... we should all unite to exterminate the moon worshipping barbarians.

[Hrolf Kraki]

Yeah exactly, whether athiest, pagan or christian... we should all unite to exterminate the moon worshipping barbarians.

Very true. However, I do not wish to exterminate them in their own land; just in ours.

[Kodos]

Very true. However, I do not wish to exterminate them in their own land; just in ours.

Unfortunately they will eventually develop nukes.

So pragmatically... we should destroy them or conquer them (with serious reprisals of the kind Bush was too weak to use in Iraq) to prevent any rebellion coupled with a serious de islamisation program and a ban on inbreeding.

But we won't do this and the world will go mad max... or we'll have an SDI that works. I don't know.

[Arrow Cross]

Desacraters! Out with ye from here! :crusader:

http://www.crusader-kings.com/img/ck_preview.jpg

[Jimbo Gomez]

This is a private Christian forum. All the crap has been deleted. If you post here, analogous with the rules of the red forum, you do it from the point of view that there is a single omnipotent Deity, separated from His Creation but of course eternally linked to it, and you agree that at least one Christian denomination accurately describes and worships said Deity.

[///M power]

Yeah exactly, whether athiest, pagan or christian... we should all unite to exterminate the moon worshipping barbarians.

hey!! take me to exterminate Muslims!!:rofl:

[SlovenianNationalist]

This Crusade will end like all others before it: in failure.

At least Crusades had more success than your "1000 year old Reich". Crusades united all European Christendom, while Hitler never managed to unite his "Aryan Germanics".

[Jimbo Gomez]

Oh, those nazis are just cranky because even old pope Pius survived their shitty little Reich.

[Felix the Cat]

Spain and Portugal owe their existence to "crusades", so I'm sure a lot of folks there would dispute they were a "failure"

[SlovenianNationalist]

Just out of curiosity, what do you hope to accomplish—the banishment of all non-believers?

Personally, Christian Europe would be good for start. Europe without Christianity is nothing and the other way around.

[Ahknaton]

Europe without Christianity is nothing and the other way around.
Europe is blood and soil.

[SlovenianNationalist]

Europe is blood and soil.

Europe itself is a Christian concept.

As I said, there is no Europe without Christianity. I guess that's hard to understand for some non-Europeans like you.

[Hrolf Kraki]

Europe itself is a Christian concept.

As I said, there is no Europe without Christianity. I guess that's hard to understand for some non-Europeans like you.

False. Europe and Europeans were around for centuries before Christianity.

[SlovenianNationalist]

Europe and Europeans were around for centuries before Christianity.

European civilization is a Christian concept. 'Europeans' before Christianity? Did anyone label himself as 'European' or did, for exaple, some barbarians from north consider themselves as part of 'European' civilization? Of course not.

[SlovenianNationalist]

I'll be short. I have nothing against pagans here, nor against paganism, but our national identity was shaped under Christianity and also my ancestors were all Christians for 5, 6 generations back. Insulting Christianity is insulting my blood and my culture.

Also this is a private forum for Christians so anti-Christs shouldn't be allowed to troll here.

[Petr]

False. Europe and Europeans were around for centuries before Christianity.
The word "Europe" itself has originally Phoenician origins.

"Europa was the beautiful daughter of the Phoenician king of Tyre, Agenor. Zeus, the King of the gods according to Greek mythology, saw Europa as she was gathering flowers by the sea and immediately fell in love with her."

http://phoenicia.org/europa.html


Emperor Julian the Apostate (whom European neo-pagans adore) created his reputation by defeating Germanic invaders, and was a devotee of the Oriental mysticism of Iamblichus:


The Roman emperor Julian, not content with Eunapius' more modest eulogy that he was inferior to Porphyry only in style, regarded Iamblichus as more than second to Plato, and claimed he would give all the gold of Lydia for one epistle of Iamblichus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iamblichus_(philosopher)


Petr

[Felix the Cat]

Christianity is an internationalist religion so yes, it was instrumental to uniting Europeans of all nations in a common culture

The same beliefs drive the attempt of modern Christians to unite Europe with Africa and Asia

[Geist]

Belloc said something along the lines of 'Europe is the faith, the faith is Europe', and hell look whats happened since its decline.

[cryptoracist]

Something is terribly wrong with this picture. Why is it always men who get the best deal in heaven? Why not 72 virgin males for the devout Islamic female devotees? :confused:
Yeah, right. Then they'd just have 72 immature angry boys to cook for and pick up dirty socks behind... no thanks.

That's not quite heaven to me.... :negro:

[Watzy]

I would rater crusading against Pagans and Muslims instead evolutionists because I am not a creationist, but an evolutionist.

Since the Second Vatican Council concluded there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith, I don't perceive evolutionism as anti-Catholic. Although I side with Catholic traditionalism and object to the Vatican II in many other issues, this is not the one of the issues I object. I think Church must always stand for the scientific truth, not against it.

[Petr]

I think Church must always stand for the scientific truth, not against it.
The "scientific truth" is an ever-changing concept. What is the truth?

http://creationsafaris.com/crev200511.htm#20051110a

Pope Affirms Intelligent Design

11/10/2005

Just when pro-Darwinists were parlaying one bishop against another on the Catholic position on evolution (see the UK Times Online for an op-ed piece with some historical context), the Pope made it clear: he expects the faithful to embrace intelligent design. The Discovery Institute was pleased that Pope Benedict XVI used the phrase “intelligent project” in his attack on atheism and directionless evolution; Evolution News soon updated the story to indicate that the Pope’s statement was even stronger than first reported. The phrase should be translated, “intelligent plan,” and included a direct statement opposing atheism and directionless materialism.


http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=3015&program=CSC%20-%20Views%20and%20News

Discovery Institute Welcomes Pope's Embrace of "Intelligent Project"


Petr

[Watzy]

The "scientific truth" is an ever-changing concept. What is the truth?

Since it is "scientific", the scientists should be left to determine it, not theologians. Theologians should restrain them selves on determining transcendent truths only.

[Ahknaton]

Petr, you've said multiple times that you are not an IDer but a Creationist.

Also, the Pope's statement is not a scientific pronouncement, since the difference between the specific form of ID endorsed by the Pope and materialist evolution is a metaphysical one regarding whether evolution can be perceived as part of a divine plan. In contrast the difference between ID and Creationism is a scientific one, since Creationism asserts that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old, a claim that can be checked against empirical evidence.

[Watzy]

Dawkins made one good point: a scientist negating religious truths (such as him) is just as irritating as religious leaders stalling the scientific progress and retarding the education system.

[Boleslaw]

False. Europe and Europeans were around for centuries before Christianity.

Before Christianity, Europe was largely a vague geographical entity that only had relevance to the Greeks and Romans.

[Boleslaw]

This Crusade will end like all others before it: in failure.

The first Crusade successfully captured Jerusalem.

[Boleslaw]

I would rater crusading against Pagans and Muslims instead evolutionists because I am not a creationist, but an evolutionist.
This isnt about evolution, it's about people bashing the faith of Christ.

[Vindex]

So is the highest plan of your crusade posting up christian pop art and hurling potty names at unbelievers because that is all I have seen thus far.

[Apologist]

Gloria in excelsis Deo!

[Keystone]

So is the highest plan of your crusade posting up christian pop art and hurling potty names at unbelievers because that is all I have seen thus far.
It ain't what it used to be.

[cryptoracist]

So is the highest plan of your crusade posting up christian pop art and hurling potty names at unbelievers because that is all I have seen thus far.
And this is why I politely bow out when "those kinds of Christians" start attacking everyone else...

WWJD in this thread?

How can you verbally attack someone in the name of CHRIST? And with a straight face, too! Are ya'll for real?

Seriously, we're talking about Jesus H. Christ here!

The nicest guy that ever walked...accepting and loving of everyone... kinda makes you wonder who the hell are they really representing?

Because Jesus did not associate with the kind of people these so--called Christians are behaving like. Of all character traits... arrogance and spite are the least like Him. So who are they emulating then? :222:

[cryptoracist]

I'll be short. I have nothing against pagans here, nor against paganism, but our national identity was shaped under Christianity and also my ancestors were all Christians for 5, 6 generations back. Insulting Christianity is insulting my blood and my culture.

Also this is a private forum for Christians so anti-Christs shouldn't be allowed to troll here.
Now I'm really confused...

Where did this info come from?

edit: Oh, OK I understand now, not the whole Phora... just this forum. I see.

Well, I dont want to be associated witht he Christians I've been posting with in this forum because the love component is missing.

Love is such a critical element to Christianity... I argue that there is no Christianity without it.

Food for thought... I'm leaving this angry, spiteful forum... ISO a group of posters who at least try to behave like Christ. That's the stand I'll make today, hopefully so as to shame the angrier Christians into re-reading the Good Book one more time before they concieve of another bullshit "crusade" that Jesus wouldn't assist you in if you begged,

Toodles.

[WFHermans]

Love is such a critical element to Christianity... I argue that there is no Christianity without it

The purpose of the new direction of the Church Militant is to keep the fake-christians out.

[cryptoracist]

The purpose of the new direction of the Church Militant is to keep the fake-christians out.
I'm glad ur here, then. :negro:

I hope my fellow Christians can be nicer to each other and non-Christians because well, I'd like to see more Christians.

It'll be a nicer world.

[Vindex]

Easy, christ orders it in Luke 19:27.


How can you verbally attack someone in the name of CHRIST? And with a straight face, too! Are ya'll for real?

Seriously, we're talking about Jesus H. Christ

[Watzy]

How can you verbally attack someone in the name of CHRIST? And with a straight face, too! Are ya'll for real?

“He who has the sharp two-edged sword says these things..."

"Out of his mouth proceeds a sharp, double-edged sword, that with it he should strike the nations."

"Repent therefore, or else I am coming to you quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of my mouth."

Seriously, we're talking about Jesus H. Christ here! The nicest guy that ever walked...accepting and loving of everyone... kinda makes you wonder who the hell are they really representing?

"The Son of God, who has his eyes like a flame of fire, and his feet are like burnished brass, says these things..."

Because Jesus did not associate with the kind of people these so--called Christians are behaving like.

"How long, Master, the holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" A long white robe was given to each of them. They were told that they should rest yet for a while, until their fellow servants and their brothers, who would also be killed even as they were, should complete their course."

[cryptoracist]

LOL alright then... ya'll got me. ^^

OK, I meant the majority of what Jesus taught was all sweet and lovin sunshine. :p

The majority. :negro:

[WFHermans]

Strange, I see under Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread cryptoracist+. I assume this + behind her name means she is a Christian, not a fake christian aka judeo-christian.

Jesus was mostly friendly but enough was enough, even for Him.

[cryptoracist]

Strange, I see under Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread cryptoracist+. I assume this + behind her name means she is a Christian, not a fake christian aka judeo-christian.

Jesus was mostly friendly but enough was enough, even for Him.
Seriously. And just like he did to those Jews in the temple when He was 12... if He did react angry He never did it with the selfish motives that some of these people express anger with.

He didn't act out to just to show He has the power to include and exclude from some little "club" as so many Christians do today. Half the time, they are defending the image of their little social club, not God. Their anger has naught to do with God's love aor defending God sincerely. But if Christ got mad it was always with the right motivation... and motives are everything.

[cryptoracist]

Strange, I see under Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread cryptoracist+. I assume this + behind her name means she is a Christian, not a fake christian aka judeo-christian.

Jesus was mostly friendly but enough was enough, even for Him.
BTW, your name has a + by it for me too but i think it's because i have you as my #1 on my buddy list. :hugs:

I must be on yours, too. :negro:

[Hachiko]

Great...this gorilla is all over this morning....it's like someone took a shit in the church bathroom and forgot to flush. :(

[Watzy]

... Christian, not a fake christian aka judeo-christian.

Christianity is opposed to Judaism, but not to the Jews, especially not to the Christian Jews.

Any Christian opposed to the Jews because of racial and linguistic differences between Jews and Gentiles is a fake Christian - a mere pawn of Satan.

Racial anti-semitism is EXTREMELY anti-Christian since Jesus himself was the son of the Jewish god YHWH, born out of the womb of a Jewish woman descended from Jewish king David.

St. Peter, St. Paul, the Apostles and majority of first Christians were also Jews.

[cryptoracist]

I would rater crusading against Pagans and Muslims instead evolutionists because I am not a creationist, but an evolutionist.

Since the Second Vatican Council concluded there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith, I don't perceive evolutionism as anti-Catholic. Although I side with Catholic traditionalism and object to the Vatican II in many other issues, this is not the one of the issues I object. I think Church must always stand for the scientific truth, not against it.
Whoa! Rewind!!

I didn't see this before... pls tell me... how can a Christian be a evolutionist?

Is it like a healthy mix of the two beliefs such as God created the 1st life form but natural evolution took over?

Is this what you believe? Help me understand... :negro:

[SlovenianNationalist]

Easy, christ orders it in Luke 19:27.

What does Christ order in Luke 19:27???

[Martin Kuklinski]

Christianity is opposed to Judaism, but not to the Jews, especially not to the Christian Jews.

Any Christian opposed to the Jews because of racial and linguistic differences between Jews and Gentiles is a fake Christian - a mere pawn of Satan.

Racial anti-semitism is EXTREMELY anti-Christian since Jesus himself was the son of the Jewish god YHWH, born out of the womb of a Jewish woman descended from Jewish king David.

St. Peter, St. Paul, the Apostles and majority of first Christians were also Jews.Hehe, this guy used to be a Nazi.

[cryptoracist]

What does Christ order in Luke 19:27???
Yeah I looked it up in my desktop Bible right quick and it's contents freaked me out a bit. I guess it would taken out of context... when I read the Bible thru before I don't remeber such harsh wording but if you take this statement out of context yes, it does look especially harsh...

Here goes...

Luke 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

BTW, I'm running LINUX right now and there's this great prg called Bible Time in ur packages for my fellow hacking Christians and nerds. Look it up and install it, it's great for quick reference.

[WFHermans]

I have no Bible currently installed, thanks for reminding I should do so Cryptoracist~:thanks:

This passage in Lucas is a parabel.

Also, Lucas was jewish (as was Matthew) and this example shows he still had traces of jewishness left. I prefer the evangelium of Mark, also because it is considered to be the oldest. Also the evangelium John is important because it is based on St. John the Apostle.

[Watzy]

Hehe, this guy used to be a Nazi.

Never have I declared as a National Socialist, unless if you wrongly consider Ustasha ideology similar to National Socialism.

I was friendly toward some Nazis only because of fruitful ties between WW2 Croatia and WW2 Germany - not because of their revoltingly evil, murderous and utterly anti-Christian ideology of Nazism, anti-Semitism, anti-Polonism ect.

Neo-Nazism is an ideology for looser-nations such as Serbs and Iraqis.

Modern Croatia is a free, independent and democratic state created by the blood of Croats, standing firmly allayed with the Free World - unlike the WW2 puppet state created by Nazi Germany.

[cryptoracist]

I have no Bible currently installed, thanks for reminding I should do so Cryptoracist~:thanks:

This passage in Lucas is a parabel.

Oh! See, I need to reread the whole chapter. This being a parabel makes all the difference...

Yeah, that prg has so many different Bible versions in it, too it's good for that as well. :D

[Watzy]

I didn't see this before... pls tell me... how can a Christian be a evolutionist?

"In his encyclical Humani Generis (1950), my predecessor Pius XII has already affirmed that there is no conflict between evolution and the doctrine of the faith regarding man and his vocation, provided that we do not lose sight of certain fixed points....Today, more than a half-century after the appearance of that encyclical, some new findings lead us toward the recognition of evolution as more than an hypothesis. In fact it is remarkable that this theory has had progressively greater influence on the spirit of researchers, following a series of discoveries in different scholarly disciplines. The convergence in the results of these independent studies -- which was neither planned nor sought -- constitutes in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory." (John Paul II, Message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on Evolution)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_and_the_Roman_Catholic_Church

[Arrow Cross]

Modern Croatia is a free, independent and democratic state created by the blood of Croats, standing firmly allayed with the Free World - unlike the WW2 puppet state created by Nazi Germany.
Please don't have such pink illusions. :(

[Vindex]

It is not out of context but people with a psychological/emotional investment always want to make that claim so they can return to their comfort zone quickly, how dare christs commands interfer with jesus according to them.

Yeah I looked it up in my desktop Bible right quick and it's contents freaked me out a bit. I guess it would taken out of context... when I read the Bible thru before I don't remeber such harsh wording but if you take this statement out of context yes, it does look especially harsh...

Here goes...



BTW, I'm running LINUX right now and there's this great prg called Bible Time in ur packages for my fellow hacking Christians and nerds. Look it up and install it, it's great for quick reference.

[Vindex]

The most vocal jew hater, makes excuses for a jewish rabbi and worships a rabbi.lol

"Salvation is of the jews"-jesus

I have no Bible currently installed, thanks for reminding I should do so Cryptoracist~:thanks:

This passage in Lucas is a parabel.

Also, Lucas was jewish (as was Matthew) and this example shows he still had traces of jewishness left. I prefer the evangelium of Mark, also because it is considered to be the oldest. Also the evangelium John is important because it is based on St. John the Apostle.

[SlovenianNationalist]

It is not out of context but people with a psychological/emotional investment always want to make that claim so they can return to their comfort zone quickly, how dare christs commands interfer with jesus according to them.

It's totally out of context and the words aren't even the words of Jesus, it was a parabel.

Here's a English translation on www.biblija.net

The crowd was still listening to Jesus as he was getting close to Jerusalem. Many of them thought that God's kingdom would soon appear, 12 and Jesus told them this story:
A prince once went to a foreign country to be crowned king and then to return. 13 But before leaving, he called in ten servants and gave each of them some money. He told them, “Use this to earn more money until I get back.”
14 But the people of his country hated him, and they sent messengers to the foreign country to say, “We don't want this man to be our king.”
15 After the prince had been made king, he returned and called in his servants. He asked them how much they had earned with the money they had been given.
16 The first servant came and said, “Sir, with the money you gave me I have earned ten times as much.”
17 “That's fine, my good servant!” the king said. “Since you have shown that you can be trusted with a small amount, you will be given ten cities to rule.”
18 The second one came and said, “Sir, with the money you gave me, I have earned five times as much.”
19 The king said, “You will be given five cities.”
20 Another servant came and said, “Sir, here is your money. I kept it safe in a handkerchief. 21 You are a hard man, and I was afraid of you. You take what isn't yours, and you harvest crops you didn't plant.”
22 “You worthless servant!” the king told him. “You have condemned yourself by what you have just said. You knew that I am a hard man, taking what isn't mine and harvesting what I've not planted. 23 Why didn't you put my money in the bank? On my return, I could have had the money together with interest.”
24 Then he said to some other servants standing there, “Take the money away from him and give it to the servant who earned ten times as much.”
25 But they said, “Sir, he already has ten times as much!”
26 19.26 Mt 13.12; Mk 4.25; Lk 8.18.The king replied, “Those who have something will be given more. But everything will be taken away from those who don't have anything. 27 Now bring me the enemies who didn't want me to be their king. Kill them while I watch!”

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Nope false.

It's totally out of context and the words aren't even the words of Jesus, it was a parabel.

Here's a English translation on www.biblija.net

[SlovenianNationalist]

Nope false.

...And you have can't tell me why my statement is "false"?

I mean, did apostoles actually kill those who didn't want Jesus to be king? :rolleyes:

You know nothing about Bible nor Christianity, you are a 'wanabee anti-Christ' Nazi. Probably also an American. :D

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The statement in the bibble about christ ordering the death of all who will not bow, is true for it is written. People attemping to claim a obvious statement as something else becomes a falsehood.

After spending most of my life in the christian church and religion I'am aware of how christians attempt to defend thier world models when confronted with the reality of what it really says. You can not be a wannbe anti-christ. If you reject the divinity of christ you are anti-christ. Please prepare your insults better in the future.



...And you have can't tell me why my statement is "false"?

I mean, did apostoles actually kill those who didn't want Jesus to be king? :rolleyes:

You know nothing about Bible nor Christianity, you are a 'wanabee anti-Christ' Nazi. Probably also an American. :D

[cryptoracist]

The most vocal jew hater, makes excuses for a jewish rabbi and worships a rabbi.lol

"Salvation is of the jews"-jesus
When did Jesus become a rabbi? :confused:

They would've never crucified a rabbi... come on, think about it. :negro:

[SlovenianNationalist]

The statement in the bibble about christ ordering the death of all who will not bow, is true for it is written. People attemping to claim a obvious statement as something else becomes a falsehood.

It's. A. Parabel.

Jesus didn't order anyone to kill in his name.

[dimitrije]

Strange, I see under Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread cryptoracist+. I assume this + behind her name means she is a Christian, not a fake christian aka judeo-christian.

Jesus was mostly friendly but enough was enough, even for Him.There is no fake and real christians all of them are judeo-christians