Saxon slave whip is star of exhibit

[Ambrosio Spinola]

No reparations, apologies and other bending-over-backwards over this? Oh yes, it was done to other whites...I guess then its all ok.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2005-11-21T100425Z_01_KWA136185_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-BRITAIN-MEDIEVAL.XML

LONDON (Reuters) - A 1,000-year-old multi-tailed leather whip that was initially associated with the sex trade but more recently identified as a slave scourge is one of the stars of a new exhibition.

The whip, whose knotted thongs are reminiscent of the later cat o'nine tails used to discipline navy defaulters, was found during excavations of the rubbish pit of a London house dating back to the late Saxon period between 900 and 1050 AD.

The Museum of London, which is staging the exhibition exploring the city's mediaeval history, said the location of the find indicated it was not connected with any brothels, which were all elsewhere.

"The truth is less saucy but more scandalous," it said. "In the late Saxon period many of the population were slaves, working as household servants and farm workers.

"Slaves were flogged for minor offences, mutilated or killed for more serious crimes."

Far from being a consumer of imported slaves, the Saxons of London were running a thriving export trade -- particularly of Welshmen and pretty young girls -- to Scandinavia.

The whip is among more than 1,200 objects from children's toys to pointed shoes and household objects and including eye-witness accounts of Viking raids, the Black Death and everyday life in the teeming streets of the ancient port city.

There is also a range of beer tankards from an era when ale was safer to drink than either water or milk -- both of which were likely to be heavily polluted with sewage -- and far cheaper than imported wine.

However, observations from the period suggest that the habit also had a not unfamiliar downside -- not only was there widespread drunkenness on the streets of the city but unbecoming vistas of vast beer bellies.

[Sulla the Dictator]

No reparations, apologies and other bending-over-backwards over this? Oh yes, it was done to other whites...I guess then its all ok.


Are you suggesting the Welsh should sue the English for reparations?

[Jimbo Gomez]

Are you suggesting the Welsh should sue the English for reparations?

Why not? For some reason it is considered perfectly normal these days for people to sue entire nations in order to extort money over something that may or may not have happened to their ancestors ages ago. Go with the flow I say. ;)

[Sulla the Dictator]

Why not? For some reason it is considered perfectly normal these days for people to sue entire nations in order to extort money over something that may or may not have happened to their ancestors ages ago. Go with the flow I say. ;)

Well I suppose 'why not' depends on if there's a difference between a historical event that happened 60 or 140 years ago effecting a living person and something that happened 1,000 years ago effecting a living person.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

You tell that to all those asking for freebies and handouts due to the evil white doings 200 years ago. If some 2005 fellow can demand special status and possible cash hand outs as reparations for their grandfather´s trauma, hell, I´ll be damned if I can not ask the same from those Italians that enslaved my german ancestors. Oh, I forgot!...Its only "us" who believe in this crap on the whole planet and its onlyf fitting that where there is a demand for self hatered, flagelation and other self destructive fashions that there are also people that will take adavantage of it. Yes, we are the nimphomaniac whore of the planet currently and people are standing in line to get their free ride.

[Petr]

The Russians could very well sue the Mongols for centuries of devastation, slavery and severe retardation of cultural progress.


Petr

[Jimbo Gomez]

The Russians could very well sue the Mongols for centuries of devastation, slavery and severe retardation of cultural progress.


Petr

Heh, sue 'em for what? 3 ponys and a 300 year old bow?

[Sulla the Dictator]

You tell that to all those asking for freebies and handouts due to the evil white doings 200 years ago.


I've often said that I oppose the idea of reparations for anyone, but its pretty obvious how ridiculous it is to argue that what happened to someone's distant ancestors has the same effect on a person as something which happened to their grandfather.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

Really? Where gets the line drawn Sulla? Grandfather, Grandgrandfather?

This is fairly easy IMHO. We are the only ones on this planet who enjoy this sport of smearing ourselves with feces and its only logical that there will be others there to capitalitze on this, much like gays and other assorted rabble.

I wonder what Morroco would tell me if I would go asking reparations for their 711 invasion and 500 years of occupation...lol...I know what they will say...they want it all back :D

Face it, we are the only ones doing this crap on the globe, no one else is and whoever wants gets evetually his handout.

[Kodos]

Heh, sue 'em for what? 3 ponys and a 300 year old bow?

If it weren't for the Mongols the jihadis might have gotten a great deal further...

[Björn]

By then the saxons were theraly Christianized and that brought about the abolishonists. Just when did slavery end there if this was indeed used for slavery?

[Sulla the Dictator]

Really? Where gets the line drawn Sulla? Grandfather, Grandgrandfather?


If you notice what I said:

I've often said that I oppose the idea of reparations for anyone

I did point out that its OBVIOUS why something which happened to your grandfather affects you more than something that happened to ancestor of yours a thousand years ago.


This is fairly easy IMHO. We are the only ones on this planet who enjoy this sport of smearing ourselves with feces and its only logical that there will be others there to capitalitze on this, much like gays and other assorted rabble.


Well then, why do you resent THEM so much?

[Petr]

If it weren't for the Mongols the jihadis might have gotten a great deal further...
The official Mongol-lover of the Phora forum has spoken...


Petr

[Ambrosio Spinola]

If you notice what I said:

I've often said that I oppose the idea of reparations for anyone

Yes you said that but still you find logic in the process.

I did point out that its OBVIOUS why something which happened to your grandfather affects you more than something that happened to ancestor of yours a thousand years ago.

Really? Why? Why do I have to pay for a war my grandfather lost? My grandfather did not commit any crimes either but he had to pay for them just the same. This is all nothing more than some leeches taking advantage of our moral decay and weakness. No one in the whole fucking world does what we, oh so guilty, do. But stupid they would be if they would not take advantage.

Well then, why do you resent THEM so much?

I also resent people taking advantage on sick or handicaped people. A leech is still a leech no matter if my goverment is so degraded and selfhating that it enjoys buying international love and smearing our forefathers.

[Jimbo Gomez]

If it weren't for the Mongols the jihadis might have gotten a great deal further...


The mongols did enoughdamage to whitey on their own. It matters little if it's a mongol or an arab who razes your village.

[Schnee Weiss`]

How come no one is asking the obvious question...what proof or evidence do they have that this "whip" was used to flog slaves? And what about the "sex" comment? Our ancestors did not have the same weird ass afflictions with sex that we have today, so what makes them think that they were into S&M?

[Björn]

How come no one is asking the obvious question...what proof or evidence do they have that this "whip" was used to flog slaves? And what about the "sex" comment? Our ancestors did not have the same weird ass afflictions with sex that we have today, so what makes them think that they were into S&M?

I have read some extremely pathetic articles from scholars about ancient europe. Usually based on some modern way of thinking. A find of bodies in a bog immediatly lead to a theory that these were oppressed people who were thrown in the bog because the rich and powerful thought they were vampires.

This whole article smells of agenda being that they state everything in the article as though it were accepted fact.

[Jimbo Gomez]

I have read some extremely pathetic articles from scholars about ancient europe. Usually based on some modern way of thinking. A find of bodies in a bog immediatly lead to a theory that these were oppressed people who were thrown in the bog because the rich and powerful thought they were vampires.

This whole article smells of agenda being that they state everything in the article as though it were accepted fact.

Yes, that is all too common, 'scholars' who seem to think people who lived more than 1500 years ago in a rural society somehow thought in the exact same terms as 21st century pomo sodomites.