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Nyx
11-18-2006, 12:34 PM
Are the Irish a lower order of European humanity?

MrAngry
11-18-2006, 12:39 PM
Are the Irish a lower order of European humanity?


No, they're like all other people, people who discriminate are probably morally a lower order of humanity.:mad:

Lily
11-18-2006, 12:49 PM
A people who starved because there were no spuds? The Fenians are the closest any whites can be to the niggers. In fact I've heard that rich niggers like moving to Southern Ireland because they feel so 'at home'.

Thing is, the niggers are stoned, the Oirish are just thick...
You are unbelievably ignorant.

Liberal Lefty
11-18-2006, 12:51 PM
Are the Irish a lower order of European humanity?

LMAO

Go and ask that question to your poster boy David duke :)

MrAngry
11-18-2006, 12:51 PM
You are unbelievably ignorant.


No No No, he is "believably" ignorant.. :rofl: :mad: :rofl:

shanemac
11-18-2006, 12:51 PM
Are the Irish predisposed to be alcoholics?...

Are the Irish a lower species of white?...

How many more threads like this are you going to post Mr Socialist? To formulate a hypothesis normally requires some kind of background evidence that the hypothesis might be true....

Where is your evidence that these hypotheses are true?

Are you just trying to tarnish a nation by innuendo?... should the moderators put up with much more of this crap...?

Carlos Danger
11-18-2006, 12:51 PM
Shut up Ix

MrAngry
11-18-2006, 12:52 PM
Are the Irish predisposed to be alcoholics?...

Are the Irish a lower species of white?...

How many more threads like this are you going to post Mr Socialist? To formulate a hypothesis normally requires some kind of background evidence that the hypothesis might be true....

Where is your evidence that these hypotheses are true?

Are you just trying to tarnish a nation by innuendo?... should the moderators put up with much more of this crap...?


Doesnt this apply to the majority of posts onthis site?:mad:

Nyx
11-18-2006, 12:52 PM
Where is your evidence that these hypotheses are true? I never formulated a hypothesis on this. I have only asked a couple of questions. I don't really have any opinion.

Nyx
11-18-2006, 12:53 PM
Here is something I recently came across

Irish average IQ: 93
http://www.childrenofmillennium.org/science.htm

shanemac
11-18-2006, 12:53 PM
A people who starved because there were no spuds? The Fenians are the closest any whites can be to the niggers. In fact I've heard that rich niggers like moving to Southern Ireland because they feel so 'at home'.

Thing is, the niggers are stoned, the Oirish are just thick...


Interesting position for a moderator of a "white nationalist" website to take. Perhaps you should explain that position to the Irish members of VNN, and see how much the still want you as a moderator.

Nyx
11-18-2006, 12:54 PM
Interesting position for a moderator of a "white nationalist" website to take. Perhaps you should explain that position to the Irish members of VNN, and see how much the still want you as a moderator.In what sense are the Irish white?

Would you say that all white ethnic groups are created equal?

Ahknaton
11-18-2006, 12:54 PM
Here is something I recently came across

Irish average IQ: 93
http://www.childrenofmillennium.org/science.htm
We've been around this merry-go-round before regarding Irish IQ (and Serbian IQ as well I remember). Why don't you go find one of your old threads on this and post it there? Serbian IQ was depressed because of the war. Irish IQ was depressed by migration selecting for higher-IQ individuals leaving the country (since higher IQ was correlated with having enough material resources to emigrate).

Nyx
11-18-2006, 12:56 PM
We've been around this merry-go-round before regarding Irish IQ (and Serbian IQ as well I remember). Why don't you go find one of your old threads on this and post it there?This thread concerns the Irish in a more general sense, not their below average IQ in particular

MrAngry
11-18-2006, 12:56 PM
Here is something I recently came across

Irish average IQ: 93
http://www.childrenofmillennium.org/science.htm

that well researched evidence clinches it, :confused: :mad:

Ahknaton
11-18-2006, 12:57 PM
This thread concerns the Irish in a more general sense, not their below average IQ in particular
Then why bring it up?

As mentioned in another thread, the Irish have an above average number of Nobel Prizes per capita, which is one measure of the creativity and success of a nation.

Geist
11-18-2006, 12:57 PM
Ix, I dealt with the Irish IQ before, and you all backed off from that.

Nyx
11-18-2006, 12:58 PM
Go and ask that question to your poster boy David duke :)I have long despised David Duke. I would not value his insight on this.

Liberal Lefty
11-18-2006, 12:59 PM
I've said it before and I will say it again...

this is one of the many reasons why White Nationalism will NOT work!!!!

You cannot even decide who is white :D

Just look at this thread. Also look at that East Indian/White thread in the "Genetics" forum. That thread was filled with people arguing about which of those girls was white and which wasn't.

This "movement" is a fucking circus.

Geist
11-18-2006, 12:59 PM
The Irish have no interest in WN which is probably what pisses WNs off.

Ahknaton
11-18-2006, 01:01 PM
I've said it before and I will say it again...

this is one of the many reasons why White Nationalism will NOT work!!!!

You cannot even decide who is white :D

Just look at this thread. Also look at that East Indian/White thread in the "Genetics" forum. That thread was filled with people arguing about which of those girls was white and which wasn't.

This "movement" is a fucking circus.
Feudal Socialist is not a WN.

Nyx
11-18-2006, 01:02 PM
Ix, I dealt with the Irish IQ before, and you all backed off from that.The mere fact that I'm not going to respond word for word to each of your posts doesn't thereby lend credence to your position. If your plan was to silence your opponents through sheer tedium, then you were of course successful.

BTW, you should email your criticisms to Richard Lynn (I've talked to him myself through E-mail - PM for the address). I'm sure he will be blown away. :rolleyes:

Geist
11-18-2006, 01:05 PM
The mere fact that I'm not going to respond word for word to each of your posts doesn't thereby lend credence to your position. If your plan was to silence your opponents through sheer tedium, then you were of course successful.

BTW, you should email your criticisms to Richard Lynn (I've talked to him myself through E-mail - PM for the address). I'm sure he will be blown away. :rolleyes:

You did not reply at all, nor did anyone else to these criticisms. This is another classic Ix smoke and mirrors reply.

Liberal Lefty
11-18-2006, 01:06 PM
Feudal Socialist is not a WN.

Maybe not in name but he has all the hallmarks of a WN. Just look at some of the posts he makes.

Geist
11-18-2006, 01:07 PM
Maybe not in name but he has all the hallmarks of a WN. Just look at some of the posts he makes.

Hes a WTF.

Nyx
11-18-2006, 01:08 PM
... the Irish have an above average number of Nobel Prizes per capita, ...Well, you see, the problem with this line of reasoning is twofold. First, it's only 8 Nobel prize winners we are talking about here - yes, per capita that is considerable, but it's really too small a figure from which to extrapolate any sort of meaningful information about average ethnic differences. Second, culture also plays a significant role in this. And what were the prizes for?

Zrinski
11-18-2006, 01:09 PM
What is a "lower order of European humanity"? Would someone care to explain?

Liberal Lefty
11-18-2006, 01:12 PM
Hes a WTF.

Yep you have hit the nail on the head.

He's a very strange character who seems obsessed with the Emeral Isle and its people.

Nyx
11-18-2006, 01:12 PM
Maybe not in nameI am not a white nationalist.

but he has all the hallmarks of a WN.What are the hallmarks of white nationalism?

Just look at some of the posts he makes.Such as?

Ahknaton
11-18-2006, 01:14 PM
Well, you see, the problem with this line of reasoning is twofold. First, it's only 8 Nobel prize winners - yes, per capita that is considerable, but it's really too small a figure from which to extrapolate any sort of meaningful information about ethnic differences.
Are the achievements of the elite or the average intelligence level of the masses more important when assessing the intellectual worth of a nation? I would say the former, because who cares whether a factory worker has an IQ of 80 or 90? It's the intellectual elite whose intelligence level is actually most significant in the scheme of things.
Second, culture also plays a significant role in this. And what were the prizes for?
Literature and Chemistry I think.

The "culture" objection is a double-edged sword, because it can also be used to excuse any deficiencies with the Irish that you may point out, in addition to pooh-poohing their achievements.

Lily
11-18-2006, 01:14 PM
Yep you have hit the nail on the head.

He's a very strange character who seems obsessed with the Emeral Isle and its people.
He loves them! :dance2:

LastResort56
11-18-2006, 01:16 PM
Originally Posted by Liberal Lefty
I've said it before and I will say it again...

this is one of the many reasons why White Nationalism will NOT work!!!!

You cannot even decide who is white

Just look at this thread. Also look at that East Indian/White thread in the "Genetics" forum. That thread was filled with people arguing about which of those girls was white and which wasn't.

This "movement" is a fucking circus.

If people are confused as to who is white then just ask; the blacks in South Africa, muslim rioters/rapists/suicide bombers throughout Europe, or the reconquistadors in the southwest. They all seem to know whom is white.;)

Aryan Imperium
11-18-2006, 01:17 PM
A people who starved because there were no spuds? The Fenians are the closest any whites can be to the niggers. In fact I've heard that rich niggers like moving to Southern Ireland because they feel so 'at home'.

Thing is, the niggers are stoned, the Oirish are just thick...


Shining proof that you are NOT a white nationalist Sid.
A white nationalist does not look down upon other whites just because they are of a different nation.
You say vile things about the Irish and you call white Americans `Americoons`.
You are the kiss of death to white nationalism. Look at your track record-you fuck up every WN org that you join and now you fuck up VNN.
Is it deliberate? Are you on someone`s payroll or are you just inept as we all think?

Liberal Lefty
11-18-2006, 01:28 PM
I am not a white nationalist.

What are the hallmarks of white nationalism?

Such as?

You can forgive people for getting confused on your politics when you read posts like these...

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=228178&postcount=13

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=204294&postcount=1

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=200829&postcount=1

Nyx
11-18-2006, 01:29 PM
Are the achievements of the elite or the average intelligence level of the masses more important when assessing the intellectual worth of a nation?The average intelligence level of the group in question is of more interest. A group with a lower average IQ is going to have fewer high-ability people than a group with a higher average IQ. For instance, in 10,000 randomly selected individuals, there would be only 5 individuals from a 96-IQ group and 55 individuals from a 100-IQ group with an IQ over 155. Slight differences in the average mean a lot in the UPPER ('elite') end of the distribution curve for IQ.

The existence of 8 Nobel Prize winners is, as I said, too small a figure from which to extrapolate any sort of meaningful information about ethnic differences. We would have to examine a much larger section of the Irish intellectual elite. And not based on subjective impressions either. Empirically.

Nyx
11-18-2006, 01:30 PM
You can forgive people for getting confused on your politics when you read posts like these...

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=228178&postcount=13

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=204294&postcount=1

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=200829&postcount=1What do any of these posts have to do with white nationalism? Nothing.

MrAngry
11-18-2006, 01:35 PM
What do any of these posts have to do with white nationalism? Nothing.


Its the black bashing element that demonstrates some similarities with the WN's. I find it all hard to take in.

Racialists,
White nationalists
racists
nationalist
white supremacists
etc

Just a ciggie paper difference between them all.

do you have a clasification then?

Nyx
11-18-2006, 01:38 PM
do you have a clasification then?Anti-Ideology.

Don Quixote
11-18-2006, 01:40 PM
do you have a clasification then?Yes, he does: anti-Irish troll and repressed homosexual.

Nyx
11-18-2006, 01:44 PM
Yes, he does: anti-IrishI would consider myself pro-Irish, actually. I think Ireland has a marvelous history and culture. In fact I have often considered moving to Ireland.

troll and repressed homosexual.Incorrect.

Ahknaton
11-18-2006, 01:48 PM
The average intelligence level of the group in question is of more interest. A group with a lower average IQ is going to have fewer high-ability people than a group with a higher average IQ. For instance, in 10,000 randomly selected individuals, there would be only 5 individuals from a 96-IQ group and 55 individuals from a 100-IQ group with an IQ over 155. Slight differences in the average mean a lot in the UPPER ('elite') end of the distribution curve for IQ.
See, this is where I have a problem with IQ tests, or rather, with generalising too much based on them. IQ tests do not fit a Gaussian distribution in the same way that, say, the length of grasshoppers legs or other naturally occurring phenomea do. IQ tests are artificially fitted to a Gaussian distribution by taking raw tests scores and converting them to an IQ number via lookup tables. This doesn't allow for the fact that there may be clustering of intelligence levels at different strata, for example due to socially-mediated mate selection based on class differences (which correlate with IQ), or urban/rural geography for example. Therefore I don't think you can rule out the possibility that a given population may have a cluster of high-IQ individuals within the elite that are on par with other populations, and a mass of other individuals who score below average.

Nyx
11-18-2006, 02:02 PM
I believe the distribution curve for IQ is more of a Pearson type IV, but the general principle holds true in any case: lower average, fewer high-ability people. The assumption of normality, in this case, probably does underestimate the number of people with the very highest IQ scores (say, above 180) - but the vast majority of high-ability people are below that level, and the assumption of normality is therefore useful.

shanemac
11-18-2006, 02:52 PM
Well, I'm secure about this low Irish IQ thing. I don't know how accurate it is, but I can live with it if it's true.

I've tested my IQ at around 125 or so (some small variations) which would put me in the top 5% of the US population. So, if the Irish mean IQ is lower than the US population, then I would qualify in an even smaller percentile of the Irish population. Way to boost my self esteem. Thanks.

Actually there are a lot of really stupid and ignorant people in Ireland, and I'm not really surprised our average IQ is down there. It doesn't mean there aren't quite a few intelligent people in Ireland too though.

As far as WN goes, I don't really think it matters. So we're a few IQ points below the average white nation... does that mean we should open Ireland up for floods of non-whites to come in and fuck it all up again?

Nyx
11-18-2006, 02:56 PM
Well, I'm secure about this low Irish IQ thing. I don't know how accurate it is, but I can live with it if it's true.

I've tested my IQ at around 125 or so (some small variations) which would put me in the top 5% of the US population. So, if the Irish mean IQ is lower than the US population, then I would qualify in an even smaller percentile of the Irish population. Way to boost my self esteem. Thanks.

Actually there are a lot of really stupid and ignorant people in Ireland, and I'm not really surprised our average IQ is down there. It doesn't mean there aren't quite a few intelligent people in Ireland too though.

As far as WN goes, I don't really think it matters. So we're a few IQ points below the average white nation... does that mean we should open Ireland up for floods of non-whites to come in and fuck it all up again?And I completely agree with you.

White Eugenics
11-18-2006, 02:57 PM
Are the Irish a lower order of European humanity?

They're neoliths, so probably ranked below Falids and Nords in the evolutionary scale, but there's a lot of good Irish... just don't give them drink.

shanemac
11-18-2006, 03:01 PM
They're neoliths, so probably ranked below Falids and Nords in the evolutionary scale, but there's a lot of good Irish... just don't give them drink.

Who're Falids? ...hic...

Nyx
11-18-2006, 03:01 PM
but there's a lot of good Irish...Invite said good Irish to the Forum.

MrAngry
11-18-2006, 03:05 PM
Invite said good Irish to the Forum.


Why do we judge a mans worth by his nationality, IQ (ffs), colour. Why not judge a man by his actions and words.

shanemac
11-18-2006, 03:05 PM
I would consider myself pro-Irish, actually.

Way to support the team man!

I think Ireland has a marvelous history and culture. In fact I have often considered moving to Ireland.


Yes, I'm sure you'll make lots of Irish friends.

Don Quixote
11-18-2006, 03:08 PM
Way to support the team man!



Yes, I'm sure you'll make lots of Irish friends.There will be a reception committee formed at the airport. :bbbat:

Jonathan
11-18-2006, 03:58 PM
Irish IQ was depressed by migration selecting for higher-IQ individuals leaving the country.
Says who Ahk? I've seen this "explanation" throw out a few times now. I provided a counter-argument and nobody has addressed it.

The statistics indicate that the poorer Irish were the ones who emigrated, not necessarily the smarter ones.

So where does that leave your explanation?

Jonathan
11-18-2006, 04:02 PM
In fact I have often considered moving to Ireland.

Honestly Ix, I don't think you'd like it.

antibuddha
11-18-2006, 04:13 PM
Why do we judge a mans worth by his nationality, IQ (ffs), colour. Why not judge a man by his actions and words.

Because that takes too long.

Liz
11-18-2006, 04:16 PM
Why are people feeding this troll? :sick:

Jonathan
11-18-2006, 04:20 PM
I'd like to see Ix define "lower order of European humanity" (relevant to this thread obviously).

Der Sozialist
11-18-2006, 04:38 PM
We've been around this merry-go-round before regarding Irish IQ (and Serbian IQ as well I remember). Why don't you go find one of your old threads on this and post it there? Serbian IQ was depressed because of the war. Irish IQ was depressed by migration selecting for higher-IQ individuals leaving the country (since higher IQ was correlated with having enough material resources to emigrate).

The Serbian IQ is not unique in that region—for one, Croatian IQ (90), Greek IQ (92), Romanian IQ (92) which suggests that the Balkans score on average 6-8 points lower than their fellow Europeans. However, it should be noted that Triglav has posted evidence that such high differential disappears for a particular IQ test—the name escapes me as of now.

Also, the Irish migration is a poor excuse since it could be applied to just about every poor and/or war-torn country. Many Germans, Brits, and Eastern/Southern Europeans fled to America as an example.

As mentioned in another thread, the Irish have an above average number of Nobel Prizes per capita, which is one measure of the creativity and success of a nation.

Saint Lucia has a much higher per capita than Ireland (1 Nobel Prize per 80,000 people) yet it is 90% Black. It is a mathematical/statistical fallacy to extrapolate trends when the numbers are relatively small.

Most of Ireland’s prizes were for literature and peace (5/6) with only 1 being given for science (Ernest Thomas Sinton Walton , Physics, 1951).

Jonathan
11-18-2006, 05:00 PM
It is a mathematical/statistical fallacy to extrapolate trends when the numbers are relatively small.
Agreed, but this begs the question: How small is small?

Berianidze
11-18-2006, 05:06 PM
Ix, you said you were going to stop creating sock-puppets at this forum and we appreciate that. Now, could you please stop making these types of polls. What purpose do they really serve?

Sandee
11-18-2006, 05:08 PM
Are the Irish a lower order of European humanity?

Socially? No. Culturally? No. Intellectually? Where's the proof? Circumstances (political, etc) seem to be a much more responsible factor. I personally don't think they are lower than any other whites.

Der Sozialist
11-18-2006, 05:35 PM
Agreed, but this begs the question: How small is small?

That truly is a good question—I am not a statistician and therefore cannot give you the precise mathematical rule for this.

However, this would be in the domain of the "law of small numbers"—therefore, if you are interested I suggest that you google it. I tried and found nothing of importance but I have limited free time at the moment—I will try later when I have more time and hopefully give you a less succinct response then.

Billy Score
11-18-2006, 05:46 PM
Well der sozialist, you have to take into account population size. A couple of million germans emigrating doesn't have the same impact on Germany as does a couple of million Irish emigrating. Ireland has a significantly smaller population.

Der Sozialist
11-18-2006, 06:37 PM
Well der sozialist, you have to take into account population size. A couple of million germans emigrating doesn't have the same impact on Germany as does a couple of million Irish emigrating. Ireland has a significantly smaller population.
This is true; however, my example is not strictly limited to Germany.

Hippias
11-18-2006, 08:05 PM
I accidentally voted "yes." Moderators, please change my vote to "all whites are created equal."

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-18-2006, 08:07 PM
I accidentally voted "yes." Moderators, please change my vote to "all whites are created equal."
Man that reeks of lemmingness, it reeks of liberalism.

Jimbo Gomez
11-18-2006, 08:09 PM
The Irish are a fine people. Their nation will survive Britain.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-18-2006, 08:11 PM
I don't like your options. My answer is that irish are different from other whites, and have their own unique sets of strengths and weaknessess.

Oswald Spengler 2006
11-18-2006, 08:16 PM
Everyone knows that the Irish are White niggers. Whatever leaders they have come from the Anglo-Irish.

Carlos Danger
11-18-2006, 08:25 PM
Time to lock this troll thread I think

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-18-2006, 08:26 PM
Why not lock every jew thead then...

6(sic)6
11-18-2006, 08:29 PM
As always some so called "WNs" need to feel superior against other whites.:duh:

Nordics want to feel superior against lower whites (slavs) and slavs want to feel superior over let's say spainards and etc.
Somone is always someone elses nigger.
Called the retard circle wich you can find in SF Serbia.:crazy:

Lower humanity is according to me and 90% of the people in the world rapists,pedophiles,murders etc.