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///M power
11-19-2006, 10:02 AM
If you don't want to be treated like an object, don't dress like one

Emuna Braverman Published: 11.19.06, 11:59

"I'm sitting at Coffee Bean in Los Angeles - it's a hot day - and as I look around I notice that most of the women in the coffee shop and the surrounding streets seem to have forgotten to get dressed. Either that or they're shopping in the wrong department.
What's going on?
The Wall Street Journal recently printed a piece highlighting the difficulties that successful businesswomen encounter trying to mentor their younger colleagues or subordinates. These new workers seem completely unreceptive to advice on how to dress. They seem completely unconscious that to represent themselves in a businesslike fashion requires attention to how they're attired.

It's the real feminism

One of the primary and most basic tenets of the feminist movement was that women wanted to be treated as people, not objects. This is a noble goal and certainly a Jewish goal. But the Torah adds the important corollary to this desire. In order to be treated as a person you must dress like one.
In other words, if you don't want to be treated like an object, don't dress like one.
Study after study shows that women who wear provocative clothing in the workplace will not be treated as equal business partners. They will not be taken seriously.
The easy way out is to blame men. The mature attitude is to take responsibility for oneself. Isn't that true empowerment? Women who want to be treated as peers must show that they take themselves seriously.

Just like men

If a male partner in a prominent law firm arrived at the office in a Hawaiian shirt and Bermuda shorts, his employment future would be called into question. His clients would be less confident in his ability to represent them appropriately.
Likewise, if a female CEO leads a meeting in a low-cut blouse and miniskirt; her words will not be treated with the gravity they deserve. It's not sexism. It's reality.
This is not just true in the workplace but in all situations and relationships. We communicate who we are in many non-verbal ways. We communicate some of our goals through body language and other subtle clues.
Perhaps today's young woman doesn't realize what the message she is broadcasting. Perhaps she's just following the prevailing fashion. Or perhaps she's just not focused on being taken seriously as a thoughtful human being, which would be a real shame.

Objects are powerless

Deeper lifelong relationships of all sorts - marriages, friendships, job-related partnerships - are based on internal character traits like kindness, loyalty or honesty.
But the outside can be so loud it blocks the interior from being seen.
If women dress like bodies instead of souls, if what seems like underwear is now consider everyday street clothing, have we really progressed? No matter their real brains, insight or depth, women who dress like objects are viewed as... well, objects.
Objects are powerless. Human beings are powerful. Lingerie is revealing, but solely of the body. The irony is that only through covering up do our real selves shine through. "

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3329852,00.html

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I agree with that, females that dress like sluts will never get any respect.

Anarch
11-19-2006, 10:28 AM
I agree with that, females that dress like sluts will never get any respect.

That's true. And I don't think there's anything more attractive than a girl in a corset and a long dress :p

Nyx
11-19-2006, 10:37 AM
Women who dress respectably are prettier anyway.

///M power
11-19-2006, 01:05 PM
when I see a female that is dressed like slut even if she isn't,I will not want to develop any relations with her.
it repulses me.
I dont think women should be dressed from toe to neck and cover all them, but still I think a woman that dresses not so provocative are more attractive.
if I have a girlfriend and I think that what she wears is too exposed I tell her right away to change her cloths.

Oblisk
11-19-2006, 01:07 PM
Women in public places should all be dressed like as such;

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/825469/2/istockphoto_825469_businesswoman_sitting_on_ground_working_on_her_computer.jpg

Ace Rimmer
11-19-2006, 01:08 PM
I like more slutty dressed up women, you all are crypto-homos.

///M power
11-19-2006, 01:09 PM
I like more slutty dressed up women, you all are crypto-homos.

lets say you have a girlfriend.
would you like her to go to work or go out with slutty cloths?

Ace Rimmer
11-19-2006, 01:12 PM
lets say you have a girlfriend.
would you like her to go to work or go out with slutty cloths?

Yes.
If she has something to show, by all means, you don't cover your porsche with a tent or something when driving him around, don't you?

///M power
11-19-2006, 01:14 PM
Yes.
If she has something to show, by all means, you don't cover your porsche with a tent or something when driving him around, don't you?

well no....
but I dont like other males to see my girlfriens "goods".
its all for me.

ok,lets say you have a sister,would you tell her to dress slutty?? I dont thinks so.

Ahknaton
11-19-2006, 01:18 PM
If she has something to show, by all means, you don't cover your porsche with a tent or something when driving him around, don't you?
A woman is not an object or a trophy to display like a fancy car. That's the whole point.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 01:20 PM
Is the point here a woman can wear what ever she wants to, if we as men dont like it we can say so and either, accept it or move on. I have a daughter, if she wore slutty clothes she wouldnt get past the front door, because I am responsible for her well being


if it was my wife I'd lock her in and take her upstairs! :rofl:

Ace Rimmer
11-19-2006, 01:21 PM
well no....
but I dont like other males to see my girlfriens "goods".
its all for me.

Then its subjective from the beginning of thread isn't it?

ok,lets say you have a sister,would you tell her to dress slutty?? I dont thinks so.

First it was girlfriend, now it is sister, what will it be next to win your case ?
My mom?

A woman is not an object or a trophy to display like a fancy car. That's the whole point.

Yes she is.

Kodos
11-19-2006, 01:27 PM
I like more slutty dressed up women, you all are crypto-homos.

I do too but the ones who dress as such should not get pissed off about men staring at them and such.

Kodos
11-19-2006, 01:28 PM
That's true. And I don't think there's anything more attractive than a girl in a corset and a long dress :p

Corset with short skirt... provided they look good anyway :D. Corsets are hot.

///M power
11-19-2006, 01:31 PM
First it was girlfriend, now it is sister, what will it be next to win your case ?
My mom?


it doesn't matter they are all women you love,women you care about.
if you love a woman it doesn't matter if she is a family member/daughter/wife/girlfriend you would not allow her to go out looking like a sluts,thats my point.

///M power
11-19-2006, 01:32 PM
Is the point here a woman can wear what ever she wants to, if we as men dont like it we can say so and either, accept it or move on. I have a daughter, if she wore slutty clothes she wouldnt get past the front door, because I am responsible for her well being


if it was my wife I'd lock her in and take her upstairs! :rofl:

then you are a good father.
females dont appreciate that, one of the girlfriends I had said I talk like her father.
she doesn't understand that I care about her and thats why I dont allow her to dress in that way.

Ace Rimmer
11-19-2006, 01:33 PM
http://business.louisville.edu/mba/images/business%20woman%20sitting%201.jpg http://www.floppytaco.com/i/uploads/Hot_Girl_90397.jpg

Uhh , it's a hard choice, who would i be rather seen with?

NOT. ;)

Kodos
11-19-2006, 01:35 PM
it doesn't matter they are all women you love,women you care about.
if you love a woman it doesn't matter if she is a family member/daughter/wife/girlfriend you would not allow her to go out looking like a sluts,thats my point.

The one thing I do have against the jews... too feminist a culture.

The East Asians get the role of women right.

Kodos
11-19-2006, 01:36 PM
http://business.louisville.edu/mba/images/business%20woman%20sitting%201.jpg http://www.floppytaco.com/i/uploads/Hot_Girl_90397.jpg

Uhh , it's a hard choice, who would i be rather seen with?

NOT. ;)

Major pwn3ge.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 01:42 PM
Major pwn3ge.


Which one would you let out on her own if she was a close relative or partner?

Ahknaton
11-19-2006, 01:45 PM
http://business.louisville.edu/mba/images/business%20woman%20sitting%201.jpg http://www.floppytaco.com/i/uploads/Hot_Girl_90397.jpg

Uhh , it's a hard choice, who would i be rather seen with?

NOT. ;)
Doesn't prove shit. The one on the right would still be sexier if she was dressed conservatively and the one on the left was dressed like a skank.

Kodos
11-19-2006, 01:47 PM
Which one would you let out on her own if she was a close relative or partner?

More of this "what if it was your sister" bullshit.

If she was a wife or girlfriend of course id tried to go with her.

Nyx
11-19-2006, 01:48 PM
http://business.louisville.edu/mba/images/business%20woman%20sitting%201.jpg http://www.floppytaco.com/i/uploads/Hot_Girl_90397.jpg

Uhh , it's a hard choice, who would i be rather seen with?

NOT. ;)Neither of the women in those photographs is dressing
respectably.

This is how women ought to dress:

http://www.victoriana.com/library/Timeline/1850/1853-3.jpg

Nyx
11-19-2006, 01:49 PM
Better yet, watch the new Pride and Prejudice film, that is how women ought to dress.

Ace Rimmer
11-19-2006, 01:49 PM
Doesn't prove shit. The one on the right would still be sexier if she was dressed conservatively and the one on the left was dressed like a skank.

True, I could not find the same person in different clothings.

But this topic is more about the clothing and I said before in one of my previous replies
that if she has something to show then by all means I wouldnt mind girl in "the slutty" outfit walking by my side, actually it is preferable if you ask me.

Nyx
11-19-2006, 01:54 PM
How women should dress (scenes from two Pride and Prejudice films)

http://www.reelingreviews.com/prideandprejudicepic.jpg

http://lenta.com.ua/film/data/p/pride_prejudice/images/2.jpg

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/userpics/PrideandPrejudice2005-1.jpg

http://www.unbsj.ca/arts/english/jones/mt/images/PandP.jpg

Oblisk
11-19-2006, 01:57 PM
How women should dress (scenes from two Pride and Prejudice films)
http://www.reelingreviews.com/prideandprejudicepic.jpg

http://lenta.com.ua/film/data/p/pride_prejudice/images/2.jpg

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/userpics/PrideandPrejudice2005-1.jpg

http://www.unbsj.ca/arts/english/jones/mt/images/PandP.jpg

Only white women.

Ahmadinebobina
11-19-2006, 06:15 PM
Stupid thread. Women should dress as they want to but they should be well aware that certain clothes make them more susceptible to not so nice behaviour.

Ace Rimmer
11-19-2006, 06:48 PM
How women should dress

http://nightslife.free.fr/babez_php_fichiers/0115.jpg

http://nightslife.free.fr/babez_php_fichiers/0157.jpg

http://www.loscangrispr.com/IMAGES/HotBabe.gif

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/3466/elize78ll.jpg

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7527/maryanne66pp.jpg

Billy Score
11-19-2006, 06:55 PM
I agree with Feudal socialist on how women should dress. The film the Village, for all its shortcomings, shows an almost utopic world in both the dress and behavior of the young women and young men. Women who dress like whores get treated like the pieces of meat they are.

Starr
11-19-2006, 07:08 PM
I do too but the ones who dress as such should not get pissed off about men staring at them and such.


They dress like that to attract men. When they play that they are pissed off, they are probably either lying or they are only pissed because the are not interested in the particular guy staring at them or paying them the attention.

I will remind everyone again that women dress like that because men demand it. You put a conservatively dressed woman and a woman dressed all slutty in the same place, who is going to get the most male attention? The problem though and what some of them don't seem to get is that it is the wrong kind of attention.

if I have a girlfriend and I think that what she wears is too exposed I tell her right away to change her cloths.

If that is exactly how you say it, it is going to come across in a very bad way. She might even feel rebelious and wear it just to piss you off. It would be much better just to tell her that you find a different style of dress more attractive.

Berianidze
11-19-2006, 07:13 PM
I think first and foremost its most important to ensure women remain uneducated. Let them piss away their lives worrying about what clothes to wear, what accessories to buy. THis is why they are not taken serious. Nothing is more unacctractive than a woman with ideas.

antibuddha
11-19-2006, 07:30 PM
Some responses to this article:

1) People *are* objects, in as much as anything could be said to be an object.
2) Objects aren't necessarily powerless.
3) How is one to "dress like a soul"", particularly if a soul is intangible?
4) Workers exist to be exploited, "empowering" them in (a modern capitalist) workplace, particularly by forcing them to conform to the popular opinion on something as ultimately trivial as manner of dress, is an absurd notion.
5) Women shouldn't be working most of the time anyway (see above for reason).

///M power
11-19-2006, 08:49 PM
The one thing I do have against the jews... too feminist a culture.

The East Asians get the role of women right.

so you dont know what is feminism.
Judaism and the bible treat females as males property, and a piece of meat.
they aren't allowed to have any positions in the religion only men are, unlike Christianity which has nuns.
Judaism has no position for a female.
not only that, the word female in Hebrew is "nekeva" you know what does "nekeva" mean?
it comes from the word "nekev" which means a hole.
dressing women in a modest way is exactly the opposite from feminism, because the feminist female wants to be free and have the choice of dressing how she likes even if its like a slut, so the opposite from that is covering her up like Muslims do and like religious Jews do.
this is the opposite from feminism.

///M power
11-19-2006, 08:52 PM
Stupid thread. Women should dress as they want to but they should be well aware that certain clothes make them more susceptible to not so nice behaviour.


if they dress like sluts men will not respect them.
do you think a male would prefer to marry a slut or modest female?

///M power
11-19-2006, 09:02 PM
If that is exactly how you say it, it is going to come across in a very bad way. She might even feel rebelious and wear it just to piss you off. It would be much better just to tell her that you find a different style of dress more attractive.

no its not exactly how I say it,when I say it I get very mad.
If I think for example that her breasts are too exposed or maybe like with a tight shirt so it attracts male attention,I wouldn't allow her to go outside,and im not joking.
one time I didnt alow her to go to work until she changed her shirt.
I also didn't want her to go to the beach. but i guess that was too much,I just know how men look at females that are busty,because I'm a male.
when males see a busty female with swimming suite they immediately think of fucking her.
and that really pisses me off, I always try to give "scary looks" to guys to keep them from staring.
one time a guy gave her a look that I know what he was thinking about and I almost got into a fight with him over that.
if the woman dresses in a modest way there will be no problems.
and dont worry I'm not saying they should dress like the Islamic females.

Ahmadinebobina
11-19-2006, 09:07 PM
if they dress like sluts men will not respect them.
do you think a male would prefer to marry a slut or modest female?

The problem is that men would rather fuck the slut and marry the modest female and most women are too busy trying to pander to what they think/know men want than to stop and think. Most women in stopping and thinking about themselves and not male attention won't dress like an outright slut... There's a difference between cute clothes that may not be burka-like and prostitute wear.

///M power
11-19-2006, 09:11 PM
The problem is that men would rather fuck the slut and marry the modest female and most women are too busy trying to pander to what they think/know men want than to stop and think. Most women in stopping and thinking about themselves and not male attention won't dress like an outright slut... There's a difference between cute clothes that may not be burka-like and prostitute wear.

I'm not saying they should dress like Muslims.
you can wear a jeans a shirt and not look like sluts.
I dont have to tell you how sluts dress.
you know whats real funny?
they do that to attract men right?
but they do not realize that the men will only want a sexual relation with that sort of female and will not respect them.
while the virgin/female that dresses in a proper way, will get the respect.

Starr
11-19-2006, 09:19 PM
you know whats real funny?
they do that to attract men right?
but they do not realize that the men will only want a sexual relation with that sort of female and will not respect them.
while the virgin/female that dresses in a proper way, will get the respect.


They do not realize it because the males who try to pick them up will use all of the right bullshit lines(the ones that suggest they are not only looking for sex) to get them into bed and they are naive and believe them. I have seen women fall for this sort of thing all of the time and then they will be shocked and upset when the guy does not ever call them again.

And yes, of course a girl who is dressed more modestly is going to get more respect, but also less attention, which makes them feel less appealing.

Helios Panoptes
11-19-2006, 10:58 PM
Women don't deserve respect, women are objects, etc.

Kodos
11-19-2006, 11:45 PM
They do not realize it because the males who try to pick them up will use all of the right bullshit lines(the ones that suggest they are not only looking for sex) to get them into bed and they are naive and believe them. I have seen women fall for this sort of thing all of the time and then they will be shocked and upset when the guy does not ever call them again.

And yes, of course a girl who is dressed more modestly is going to get more respect, but also less attention, which makes them feel less appealing.

I don't have any respect for them no matter how they dress :D.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-20-2006, 12:04 AM
Even in the case that women dress like objects, I still don't treat them like one, however, they should not be suprised when other men do. To dress like an object and then act suprised when you are treated like one, that is a bit self-fufilling.

LastResort56
11-20-2006, 12:41 AM
After reading through this thread, I think most would prefer this look on a woman. Great for all those phora men who believe in protecting and hoarding women like the property of theirs they are.

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2003/06/06-veil-inside.jpg

sugartits
11-20-2006, 12:46 AM
I don't care how women are treated because of how they dress. Most men have x-ray vision, anyway.

Though I disagree with 'letting it all hang-out' in public, not even after midnight. Women that advertise excessively, by dress, are often prostitute-like types or have sex/love addictions, or too plain to look attractive in modest wear. You know, the norm.

Men should not wear baggy clothes.

sugartits
11-20-2006, 12:47 AM
After reading through this thread, I think most would prefer this look on a woman. Great for all those phora men who believe in protecting and hoarding women like the property of theirs they are.


Yes.
That is a great outfit...for robbing a gas station.

Helios Panoptes
11-20-2006, 01:21 AM
Men should not wear baggy clothes.

Men who wear tight-fitting clothes are either gay or emo, as if there is a difference.

///M power
11-20-2006, 01:33 AM
For myself, slut, no question about it. Modest women are boring, except for the ones that are closet sluts.

oh,but dont you know that all females are hot in bed?
its all up to you,every female will do anything in the right time.they are so horny especially the modest ones!
because they keep everything inside! when you start touching the magic button everything changes.

Sulla the Dictator
11-20-2006, 01:38 AM
A woman is not an object or a trophy to display like a fancy car. That's the whole point.

It has nothing to do with her being an object. It has to do with a woman having achieved (Or been born with) a certain aesthetic quality that other people find desirable.

Otherwise, why not suggest that they wear sackcloth? Or why don't we all wear sackcloth?

We like how each other look. There's nothing wrong with that. Smart women in Vegas use that to their advantage. Women need to be reasonable, of course. But I'll tell you, plunging necklines DO entice clients to do return business and they DO get women referrals from male clients.

Osmium14
11-20-2006, 01:39 AM
:rofl: :rofl: In 100 years, girls will be walking around in bras and panties. I guarantee you, 100%, go back 50 years and look at how much Western society has changed.

Man, in 200 years, women will be walking around naked or in bikinis. I wish I had a time machine.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-20-2006, 01:44 AM
That would be cold. I wonder if people will have built in technology to keep their blood warm in the face of cold. jk.

kultron
11-20-2006, 01:47 AM
It's all a matter of respect and humility, both two virtues necessary for a civil society. When a women dresses modestly, that says to me that she is self-respecting enough to not lower herself to have to use sexuality to make herself a more appealing person, therefore deserving of respect from others. A woman who does says to me that she must use sexuality to her advantage, which is a lowering of values unworthy of respect.

antibuddha
11-20-2006, 01:52 AM
When a women dresses modestly, that says to me that she is self-respecting enough to not lower herself to have to use sexuality to make herself a more appealing person

Everyone would be more modest and humble if we were all naked, heh.

Hermetic
11-20-2006, 02:08 AM
Women will dress that way because it gets them more attention which makes them feel good ie they connect pleasure to it. Going back to the land of bare ankle is repressed and for prudes who always seem to have psychological imbalances when it comes to sexuality anyway and then put a halo on it.

Nyx
11-20-2006, 02:31 AM
I think first and foremost its most important to ensure women remain uneducated. Let them piss away their lives worrying about what clothes to wear, what accessories to buy. THis is why they are not taken serious. Nothing is more unacctractive than a woman with ideas.Some women should certainly remain uneducated. Women who pursue an education have on average less than 1 child.

Starr
11-20-2006, 02:37 AM
Originally Posted by Besoshvili
I think first and foremost its most important to ensure women remain uneducated. Let them piss away their lives worrying about what clothes to wear, what accessories to buy. THis is why they are not taken serious. Nothing is more unacctractive than a woman with ideas.

Your wording might suggest you find an educated "woman with ideas" to be intimidating. And ix, If we were living in the kind of society that a lot of males, here want(stay at home full time mother,etc.), you would actually want women who are going to be around the children all day to be ignorant and uneducated? That does not seem like something that would be in the best interest for the growth of the child. That mother is going to need to stimulate the intellectual capacities of the child. At the most obvious a child is going to need help from time to time with such things as homework and you want them to turn to a mother who isn't going to know anything much outside of how to keep the house?

Helios Panoptes
11-20-2006, 02:55 AM
Your wording might suggest you find an educated "woman with ideas" to be intimidating. And ix, If we were living in the kind of society that a lot of males, here want(stay at home full time mother,etc.), you would actually want women who are going to be around the children all day to be ignorant and uneducated? That does not seem like something that would be in the best interest for the growth of the child. That mother is going to need to stimulate the intellectual capacities of the child. At the most obvious a child is going to need help from time to time with such things as homework and you want them to turn to a mother who isn't going to know anything much outside of how to keep the house?

The children will learn in school. The mother only needs to be capable of intellectually stimulating them at a very young age, which requires virtually no learning whatsoever. If the children are unable to complete their homework, then the schools are either not teaching properly or the children are too stupid.

LastResort56
11-20-2006, 03:10 AM
Originally Posted by Besoshvili
I think first and foremost its most important to ensure women remain uneducated. Let them piss away their lives worrying about what clothes to wear, what accessories to buy. THis is why they are not taken serious. Nothing is more unacctractive than a woman with ideas.

Besoshvili, I'm surprised at your opinion. I thought you were a hardcore soviet-worshipping communist. Women were thoroughly educated in the Soviet Union and treated as equal. In fact Communist Russian women had alot more freedom then any other nation in the world. By 1950, they made up 75% of Soviet doctors. http://www.marxists.org/archive/newsholme/1933/red-medicine/ch11.htm
If not, then my mistake.

Starr
11-20-2006, 03:19 AM
The children will learn in school. The mother only needs to be capable of intellectually stimulating them at a very young age, which requires virtually no learning whatsoever. If the children are unable to complete their homework, then the schools are either not teaching properly or the children are too stupid.


You are comfortable leaving this totally in the hands of the schools? I also can't honestly believe that males, especially ones who are very smart(you fit this)would want to spend your life with an ignorant woman.

I really hate when these conversations slip into what begins to sound like some kind of dark age ideas that you might expect to find in a religious, fundamentalist type of society.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-20-2006, 03:23 AM
I think its a bad move to write someone off as incapable because they struggle in grade school. I think some people are able to raise their level of performance when the pressure really comes, which is College.

Nyx
11-20-2006, 03:30 AM
And ix, If we were living in the kind of society that a lot of males, here want(stay at home full time mother,etc.), you would actually want women who are going to be around the children all day to be ignorant and uneducated?Not necessarily ignorant. Just not college educated, unless she is exceptionally bright.

At the most obvious a child is going to need help from time to time with such things as homework and you want them to turn to a mother who isn't going to know anything much outside of how to keep the house?Her education should consist in the knowledge required to be a good housewife, mother and teacher. That would include an elementary knowledge of science, mathematics, history, etc.

Starr
11-20-2006, 03:34 AM
Alright, I got you. What you are saying does not sound as bad as what I was picturing.

Nyx
11-20-2006, 03:34 AM
You are comfortable leaving this totally in the hands of the schools? I also can't honestly believe that males, especially ones who are very smart(you fit this)would want to spend your life with an ignorant woman.I personally find educated, intellectually gifted women most attractive, but for society as a whole I think it is better if the majority of women remain stay-at-home mothers. And what's wrong with that?

Helios Panoptes
11-20-2006, 03:41 AM
You are comfortable leaving this totally in the hands of the schools? I also can't honestly believe that males, especially ones who are very smart(you fit this)would want to spend your life with an ignorant woman.

My belief is in accord with Feudal Socialist. They ought not be ignorant, but it is not necessary that they have higher education. They should be literate, understand basic mathematics, and so forth.

I think its a bad move to write someone off as incapable because they struggle in grade school. I think some people are able to raise their level of performance when the pressure really comes, which is College.

Psychometric testing should be used to determine a child's ability. The current system is flawed. There are children with IQs of 90 in the same classroom as ones with IQs of 130. Their mental ages do not coincide. Chronological age is given far too much importance,

Berianidze
11-20-2006, 04:39 AM
Besoshvili, I'm surprised at your opinion. I thought you were a hardcore soviet-worshipping communist. Women were thoroughly educated in the Soviet Union and treated as equal. In fact Communist Russian women had alot more freedom then any other nation in the world. By 1950, they made up 75% of Soviet doctors. http://www.marxists.org/archive/newsholme/1933/red-medicine/ch11.htm
If not, then my mistake.
No you are correct, and I wasn't being entirely serious. This is a conflict going in my mind all the time. I am a total sexist in many regards (and I'm not ashamed of it)...the conflict arrives because I've read and understood the works of Engels on the issue of women and the family/social structure of oppression. It's a conflict that I have yet to come to a complete resolution on, unfortunately.

Your wording might suggest you find an educated "woman with ideas" to be intimidating.
Intimidating--no, not at all. I constantly surround myself with those who fall within an ideological circle around me. I don't like women who disagree with me within my inner circle. A woman should always support her husband, have his back, both ideologically and physically. Ideas outside of this acceptable realm are not-wanted. Although, it should be noted that this isn't because I'm avoiding challenges to my ideology, I'll defend that from anyone. I just don't always feel like getting into heated debates with a woman every minute I'm with her. If she's ideologically in line with me, there's no problem.

Agnostic Priest
11-20-2006, 09:37 AM
I hate the type of women who dress like sluts wearing tank tops showing off their tits then get all pissed off when men glance at their boobs. Oh he stared at my “Breast” Oh how dare he men are pigs all of em. Then the next day they’ll wear a tank top exposing more cleavage thinking that will somehow stop men from staring at their tits. Dumb broads. If they want to be treated like ladies they should stop acting like sluts and whores.

Starr
11-20-2006, 09:43 AM
Intimidating--no, not at all. I constantly surround myself with those who fall within an ideological circle around me. I don't like women who disagree with me within my inner circle. A woman should always support her husband, have his back, both ideologically and physically. Ideas outside of this acceptable realm are not-wanted. Although, it should be noted that this isn't because I'm avoiding challenges to my ideology, I'll defend that from anyone. I just don't always feel like getting into heated debates with a woman every minute I'm with her. If she's ideologically in line with me, there's no problem.

So you want a woman who has no opinions of her own and just mirrors yours? Sounds awfully boring. And just because she has a mind of her own doesn't mean you are going to get into heated battles with her every minute of the day.:p You can also find someone who thinks a lot like you because they have come to that line of thinking on their own.
Also if you are looking for a very timid kind of woman who never speaks her mind, how will you even know she is idelogically in line with you instead of just saying what you want to hear, because she sees that as her duty? There is something phony in that kind of a person, and the whole idea of that kind of person, IMHO. It doesn't make any difference that some can wrap it up in a nice little package called "wifely duties" or anything like that.

///M power
11-20-2006, 09:53 AM
You've obviously never been married.:)

:rofl: :rofl:
you are right....

Ahknaton
11-20-2006, 10:17 AM
I wouldn't want or demand a woman who mirrors my views to the letter, but on the other hand I wouldn't want one whose views were drastically different to my own, because that would likely point to a lack of shared values and likely conflicts when it came to how to raise children etc.

kultron
11-20-2006, 02:34 PM
Everyone would be more modest and humble if we were all naked, heh.

Yeah but then we'd only want to live in warm places, then we'd all be niggers.

Hermetic
11-20-2006, 02:44 PM
Both sexes should be educated and be able to pursue a career in what they want. In the end in a healthy Nation most women will naturally prefer to have children and raise them. But treating them like dumb children will sooner or later have a backlash effect in society.

Hachiko
11-20-2006, 02:46 PM
:rofl: :rofl:
you are right....
You are smart....
:rofl:

///M power
11-20-2006, 02:49 PM
You are smart....
:rofl:

or the females are smart, I'm the worst kind of dictator in a relationship :rofl:

anyway I'm not looking to get married anytime soon... dont worry

Berianidze
11-20-2006, 03:19 PM
So you want a woman who has no opinions of her own and just mirrors yours? Sounds awfully boring. And just because she has a mind of her own doesn't mean you are going to get into heated battles with her every minute of the day.:p You can also find someone who thinks a lot like you because they have come to that line of thinking on their own.
Also if you are looking for a very timid kind of woman who never speaks her mind, how will you even know she is idelogically in line with you instead of just saying what you want to hear, because she sees that as her duty? There is something phony in that kind of a person, and the whole idea of that kind of person, IMHO. It doesn't make any difference that some can wrap it up in a nice little package called "wifely duties" or anything like that.
Yes, lol, that is exactly what I want. I've had too many relationships with opinionated women and I'm sick of them. Even if a girl has an attractive personality, she usually conflicts with my overbearing personality and every encounter turns into an all out brawl (not physical, but verbal). I'm tired of this, I don't really have the energy in dealing with these types of women anymore. I want a docile wife who will just repeat what I say and bring me my leg of lamb and glass of wine for dinner every night :D

Northern_Paladin
11-21-2006, 03:42 AM
When dressing provocatively doesn't catch the attention of men. Women will stop doing it. Until that day comes scantly clad women will be a fixture at school and at work. More at school me thinks. Especially if your in college. Personally I don't mind it as long as the clothes match the body that's wearing it.

EvilRosebuds
02-09-2007, 10:55 AM
Women will dress that way because it gets them more attention which makes them feel good ie they connect pleasure to it. Going back to the land of bare ankle is repressed and for prudes who always seem to have psychological imbalances when it comes to sexuality anyway and then put a halo on it.

Your view towards women is noted. What is wrong with women who wear long skirts and who are modest and ladylike? Why do you insult them?

Helios Panoptes
02-09-2007, 10:57 AM
This is a fascinating case study of why women should not use the internet.

Ambrosio Spinola
02-09-2007, 10:59 AM
Another three month old thread....wtf is going on with this Vindex chasing?

Arrow Cross
02-09-2007, 09:25 PM
What is wrong with women who wear long skirts and who are modest and ladylike?
Modesty is nice. Servility isn't.
In this issue, I'm very un-conservative. I just can't stand women who are submissive, weak and...simple. Maybe my mistake. :p

Billy Score
02-09-2007, 09:30 PM
Women don't deserve respect, women are objects, etc.
Come to think of it i do agree with this position and disagree with the first post. Women shouldn't be CEOs or in the businessworld. Their being there shouldn't be taken seriously. When they dress like the whore trash they are, they are only proving what their real value is.

And arrow cross- how is dressing modestly "servile." I can't imagine anything more servile than dressing like a prostitute/slab of meat.

Starr
02-09-2007, 09:34 PM
Your view towards women is noted. What is wrong with women who wear long skirts and who are modest and ladylike? Why do you insult them?


I think he is talking about not going back to a certain type of "dark age" society. And I would agree. A lot of women today seem to have no sense of decency or modesty in the way they dress, that I also agree with, but that doesn't mean we need to swing completely to the other side, and require or expect women to be covered from head to toe. My own style of dress could be described as respectable(dresses or skirts a little below the length of the knee or dressy style pants,etc) without dressing like a nun.

Arrow Cross
02-09-2007, 09:37 PM
And arrow cross- how is dressing modestly "servile." I can't imagine anything more servile than dressing like a prostitute/slab of meat.
Well, since the original quote wasn't about dressing, my reply was neither. I was talking in general. This thread is all about old ways vs. new ways, isn't it? :p
Btw I agree with you - it's disgusting.