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Nyx
11-19-2006, 11:09 AM
Host gets punched in the nose
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pWRoGjC9Rw

Nyx
11-19-2006, 11:11 AM
Part two - contains Jewish supremacism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d97XeA-Ouko&mode=related&search=

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 11:43 AM
Part two - contains Jewish supremacism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d97XeA-Ouko&mode=related&search=


Great advert for racists huh. And the Jewish chap pissed me off too.:mad:

///M power
11-19-2006, 11:58 AM
Great advert for racists huh. And the Jewish chap pissed me off too.:mad:


he pissed you off?
what exactly did he say that wasn't true?
Jews have the highest IQ results in the world! 115,black have the lowest. 70!

about the noble prizes:
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physics:45, 26% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in chemistry:28,19% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physiology and medicine:52,29% of the total awards
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in literature:12,12% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in economics:21,28% of the total awards.

so I dont exactly see whats wrong with the facts he said.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 12:05 PM
he pissed you off?
what exactly did he say that wasn't true?
Jews have the highest IQ results in the world! 115,black have the lowest. 70!

about the noble prizes:
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physics:45, 26% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in chemistry:28,19% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physiology and medicine:52,29% of the total awards
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in literature:12,12% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in economics:21,28% of the total awards.

so I dont exactly see whats wrong with the facts he said.


I dont doubt the facts, but they wouldnt have been realised if there wasnt cooperation and the resources provided by "other" groups shall we say. I like quoting the fact that Jews have the highest IQ's to white supremacists, although I dont hold much faith in IQ exclusively. I have many many Jewish friends, some, who are no longer with us, had first hand experience of Nazi death camps, thats why I can empathise with some of your views, not the ones where you advocate predujudice and hate against other racial groups though.:mad:

Ahknaton
11-19-2006, 12:09 PM
he pissed you off?
what exactly did he say that wasn't true?
Jews have the highest IQ results in the world! 115,black have the lowest. 70!

about the noble prizes:
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physics:45, 26% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in chemistry:28,19% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physiology and medicine:52,29% of the total awards
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in literature:12,12% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in economics:21,28% of the total awards.

so I dont exactly see whats wrong with the facts he said.
The Rabbi claimed that Jews win 50-80% of all Nobel prizes, so he was exaggerating.

I didn't get what he meant about Michael Dukakis, who isn't even Jewish. Perhaps he was equating being liberal with being a Jew. :confused:

///M power
11-19-2006, 12:46 PM
I dont doubt the facts, but they wouldnt have been realised if there wasnt cooperation and the resources provided by "other" groups shall we say. I like quoting the fact that Jews have the highest IQ's to white supremacists, although I dont hold much faith in IQ exclusively. I have many many Jewish friends, some, who are no longer with us, had first hand experience of Nazi death camps, thats why I can empathise with some of your views, not the ones where you advocate predujudice and hate against other racial groups though.:mad:

I dont wish the death of other groups/races,all I wish is for my country to stay clean of none Jews.

///M power
11-19-2006, 12:48 PM
The Rabbi claimed that Jews win 50-80% of all Nobel prizes, so he was exaggerating.

I didn't get what he meant about Michael Dukakis, who isn't even Jewish. Perhaps he was equating being liberal with being a Jew. :confused:

I dont give a fuck about that rabbi...
I just wanted to know what made "Mr.angry" so angry about what that Jew said.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 12:54 PM
I dont wish the death of other groups/races,all I wish is for my country to stay clean of none Jews.


That in itself I can understand, because of history and even recent events, even if I dont fully agree with it.

What I cannot fathom about you are the views you have on some racial groups.

///M power
11-19-2006, 12:58 PM
That in itself I can understand, because of history and even recent events, even if I dont fully agree with it.

What I cannot fathom about you are the views you have on some racial groups.

Jews without racism couldn't have survived all we had been through,it is that sort of racism,of wanting to preserve and stay in our group which made us what we are.
its is not the type negative racism which says to kill all other races,you will not hear me saying stuff like that.
but I do understand how people who want to preserve their heritage/race feel..

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 01:08 PM
Jews without racism couldn't have survived all we had been through,it is that sort of racism,of wanting to preserve and stay in our group which made us what we are.
its is not the type negative racism which says to kill all other races,you will not hear me saying stuff like that.
but I do understand how people who want to preserve their heritage/race feel..

I can accept all you have said, more than I could with any other racist group because they havent ben persecuted throughout history and never been on the recieving end of a little Austrians penchant for extermination.

But some of your comments about the chinese or the blacks are based on what? You admit you havent been to these countries yet and enjoyed their cultures. Some of the views of Nazi's in the 30's about Jews were born out of ignorance of the Jewish culture, I hate to say it, I see a comparison there and only there...

calvin
11-19-2006, 01:10 PM
The IQs of Jews in America are higher than average White IQs. The IQ of the average Israeli is lower than the average IQ of the average White American. This would seem to indicates that in an exclusively Jewish environment Jews are unable to compete with Whites in terms of intelligenge.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 01:11 PM
The IQs of Jews in America are higher than average White IQs. The IQ of the average Israeli is lower than the average IQ of the average White American. This would seem to indicates that in an exclusively Jewish environment Jews are unable to compete with Whites in terms of intelligenge.


Where can I find this data?

///M power
11-19-2006, 01:20 PM
The IQs of Jews in America are higher than average White IQs. The IQ of the average Israeli is lower than the average IQ of the average White American. This would seem to indicates that in an exclusively Jewish environment Jews are unable to compete with Whites in terms of intelligenge.

no.
its because Israel is made out of immigrants, many of them are uneducated Ethiopians-Africans,many of them are Arabs! there are more then a million Arab citizens.
also the Ashkenazim are maybe 60% of all Jews here.
European Ashkenazim Jews also have higher IQ then white Europeans not just Americans.

///M power
11-19-2006, 01:23 PM
I can accept all you have said, more than I could with any other racist group because they havent ben persecuted throughout history and never been on the recieving end of a little Austrians penchant for extermination.

But some of your comments about the chinese or the blacks are based on what? You admit you havent been to these countries yet and enjoyed their cultures. Some of the views of Nazi's in the 30's about Jews were born out of ignorance of the Jewish culture, I hate to say it, I see a comparison there and only there...

i believe in race, pointing out differences between blacks and others doesn't make me a bad person.
I can see with my own eyes that each race has its characteristic,high and low values.
I can also judge the black by seeing the black-Ethiopian population in my country.
if it was up to me I wouldn't bring them to Israel.

///M power
11-19-2006, 01:25 PM
Where can I find this data?

here:
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm

calvin
11-19-2006, 01:33 PM
Ashkenazim are maybe 60% of all Jews here

So there are seven million Israelis, one million of whom are Arabs with average IQs in the low nineties, around four million Israelis are Ashkenazim with IQs of around 115, the average Israeli IQ is about 95, so the average Sephardim must be dumber than a box of rocks MP.

///M power
11-19-2006, 01:37 PM
So there are seven million Israelis, one million of whom are Arabs with average IQs in the low nineties, around four million Israelis are Ashkenazim with IQs of around 115, the average Israeli IQ is about 95, so the average Sephardim must be dumber than a box of rocks MP.

there are less then 4 million Ashkenazim.
and no,the Ashkenazim have a high IQ, the Arabs and Ethiopians have a very low IQ! and the sporadic are average+-.
thats why the Israeli IQ average is not 115,because more then half of the people are not Ashkenazim(including the Arabs)

calvin
11-19-2006, 01:43 PM
Notice how the ethnic stereotypes play out in this clip BTW.

Enraged Black assaults uppity White.

Liberal throws White victim of violent Black off the show.

Rabbi sits tight until danger is past and then issues a bellicose denouncement

calvin
11-19-2006, 01:51 PM
So the presence of one million Arabs and a few hundred thousans Ethiopioids is enough to bring the IQ of a nation overwhelmingly composed of high and average plus intelligence Jews below the Euro average? That adds up how exactly?

Kodos
11-19-2006, 01:57 PM
So the presence of one million Arabs and a few hundred thousans Ethiopioids is enough to bring the IQ of a nation overwhelmingly composed of high and average plus intelligence Jews below the Euro average? That adds up how exactly?

They didn't average every IQ in the country they did a sample which may not have been a reflective ethnic distribution.

The Ethiopians are probably low 80s... the Sephardics are probably mid 90s...
I don't buy that Palestinians are low nineties... if you throw rocks at fucking tanks which are in the middle of a military operation you have gotta be borderline retarded.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 02:01 PM
here:
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm
Controversy and criticism

Popular science commentator David Suzuki protested Rushton's racial theories and spoke out against Rushton in a live televised debate at the University of Western Ontario. "There will always be Rushtons in science," Suzuki said "and we must always be prepared to root them out!". Rushton is accused by critics of advocating a new eugenics movement,[7] and is openly praised by proponents of eugenics.[8]

After mass mailing a booklet to psychology, sociology and anthropology professors across North America based on his racial papers, Hermann Helmuth, a professor of anthropology at Trent University, said, "It is in a way personal and political propaganda. There is no basis to his scientific research."[9] In his defense, Rushton said "It's not racist, it's a matter of science and recognizing variation in all groups of people."[9]

Since 2002, Rushton has been the president of the controversial Pioneer Fund, which aims "to advance the scientific study of heredity and human differences." Rushton's work has received grants from the fund totalling over $1 million USD since 1981.

Rushton has published at least ten papers in Intelligence a journal for which Rushton also sits on the editorial board along with seven other signatories of "Mainstream Science on Intelligence". Another signatorie, Douglas K. Detterman, is also it's founder and Editor-in-Chief.

He has written articles for VDARE, a website that advocates reduced immigration into the United States.[10]

Rushton's sources, such as semi-pornographic books and the Penthouse magazine, have been dismissed by other researchers, or have been criticized as extremely biased and inadequate reviews of the literature, or simply false [11]. There have also been many other criticisms of the theory[12].

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 02:03 PM
"""Phillipe Rushton was a professor in psychology of the University of Western Ontario in Canada. After receiving a large research award from the racist and pro-facist Pioneer Fund in 1981, the research area which would boost his fame up to the next decade was the controversial subject of genetic differences in racial groups."""

Credible and unbiased? Methinks not

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 02:04 PM
Blacks, according to Rushton, have larger genitals, making them more promiscuous, and smaller brains, making them less intelligent than whites and Asians. Using 60 different measures, Rushton ranks the races along an evolutionary scale with blacks at the bottom and Asians at the top. [1]


would you swap brain capacity for a bigger knob?:rofl:

Nyx
11-19-2006, 02:12 PM
Blacks, according to Rushton, have larger genitals, making them more promiscuous, and smaller brains, making them less intelligent than whites and Asians.An absurd misrepresentation/ oversimplification of Rushton's work.

Controversy and criticism

Popular science commentator David Suzuki protested Rushton's racial theories and spoke out against Rushton in a live televised debate at the University of Western Ontario. "There will always be Rushtons in science," Suzuki said "and we must always be prepared to root them out!". Rushton is accused by critics of advocating a new eugenics movement,[7] and is openly praised by proponents of eugenics.[8]

After mass mailing a booklet to psychology, sociology and anthropology professors across North America based on his racial papers, Hermann Helmuth, a professor of anthropology at Trent University, said, "It is in a way personal and political propaganda. There is no basis to his scientific research."[9] In his defense, Rushton said "It's not racist, it's a matter of science and recognizing variation in all groups of people."[9]

Since 2002, Rushton has been the president of the controversial Pioneer Fund, which aims "to advance the scientific study of heredity and human differences." Rushton's work has received grants from the fund totalling over $1 million USD since 1981.

Rushton has published at least ten papers in Intelligence a journal for which Rushton also sits on the editorial board along with seven other signatories of "Mainstream Science on Intelligence". Another signatorie, Douglas K. Detterman, is also it's founder and Editor-in-Chief.

He has written articles for VDARE, a website that advocates reduced immigration into the United States.[10]

Rushton's sources, such as semi-pornographic books and the Penthouse magazine, have been dismissed by other researchers, or have been criticized as extremely biased and inadequate reviews of the literature, or simply false [11]. There have also been many other criticisms of the theory[12].This is just a bunch of vague accusations. No criticisms of his actual methodology, nor specific examples of faulty science.

Nyx
11-19-2006, 02:14 PM
"Phillipe Rushton was a professor in psychology of the University of Western Ontario in Canada. After receiving a large research award from the racist and pro-facist Pioneer Fund in 1981, the research area which would boost his fame up to the next decade was the controversial subject of genetic differences in racial groups.""That is a lie. There is nothing wrong with the Pioneer Fund. Read A History of the Pioneer Fund by Richard Lynn.

Nyx
11-19-2006, 02:17 PM
To accuse Rushton of 'racism', of promoting racism, or having a right-wing political ideology isn't a valid criticism of his work. Anti-racism is just as much a political orientation capable of inhibiting impartial judgement as racism. Rushton's opponents may therefore with equal propriety be criticised as advocates of anti-racism, and their pronouncements concerning the subject of race and racism may therefore be dismissed without evaluation. Any study lending support to the egalitarian idea may be discarded without critical analysis of any kind, if the conductees of that study are found to have any leftist or anti-racist political affiliation, as this may inhibit that impartiality we are so desirous of securing.

That, at least, would be the method of criticism I would employ, in response to almost every article or study or opinion urging an argument contrary to the conclusion of Rushton's work, if I happened to follow by this example. But that is just intellectual laziness.

Accusing someone of antiracism is just as legitimate a criticism as to accuse him of racism.

calvin
11-19-2006, 02:19 PM
They didn't average every IQ in the country they did a sample which may not have been a reflective ethnic distribution

In other words they used the same methodology that was used to establish Ashkenazim IQ.

Nyx
11-19-2006, 02:21 PM
A review of the book A History of the Pioneer Fund



As the recently elected president of The Pioneer Fund, a charitable foundation that gives grants for the study of human genetic variation, it is only fair that I declare my interest before reviewing a book that chronicles the Fund's history, its benefactors, its directors, and most of all, its academic researchers and their findings. Perhaps the best known is the Minnesota Study of Identical Twins Reared Apart, which reunited about 100 twins separated early in life from around the world. The identical twins turned out to have an extraordinary number of traits in common while the fraternal twins were not nearly as alike. The Texas Adoption Project studied 300 families who had adopted one or more children. It found that in both personality and intelligence, the adoptees turned out to be much more like their biological families than their adoptive families. Together these two research projects demonstrated that about 50% of individual differences in IQ and personality are due to heredity. Other Pioneer funded studies used state-of-the-art Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) techniques to find that IQ scores are related to brain size, while others found that IQ scores are related to speed of neural transmission and brain evoked potentials. Pioneer funded research has also shown that IQ scores have real-life significance, being among the best predictors of work productivity, health, and longevity.

More controversial has been Pioneer's support of research on racial differences. One project was Audrey Shuey's (1958) massive compilation of every study of Black White IQ score differences, later revised by Osborne and McGurk (1982). Research by Arthur Jensen examined bias in tests (1980) and the general factor of intelligence (1998). Studies by Richard Lynn, Philip E. Vernon and myself made the race IQ debate international in scope, extending it beyond IQ scores by showing that East Asians, Whites, and Blacks obtained the same mean ranking on over 60 different traits in countries all around the world. (See Lynn's IQ and the Wealth of Nations, and my Race, Evolution, and Behavior).

Lynn, himself a Pioneer Fund grantee and largely responsible for four very important findings about human variation (the Asian IQ advantage, the effect of nutrition on IQ, the secular rise in IQ, and the average African IQ of 70), has provided an invaluable insider's guide to the Fund's history and accomplishments. My predecessor, the late Harry F. Weyher, contributed an extensive, informative, and at times amusing Preface in which he cogently noted that even Pioneer's severest critics pay it the compliment of having produced more intellectual "bang for the buck" than any comparable organization. Both Lynn and Weyher should be commended for telling the story of the Pioneer Fund's record of accomplishment.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 02:28 PM
1To accuse Rushton of 'racism', of promoting racism, or having a right-wing political ideology isn't a valid criticism of his work. 2Anti-racism is just as much a political orientation capable of inhibiting impartial judgement as racism. Rushton's opponents may therefore with equal propriety be criticised as advocates of anti-racism, and 3their pronouncements concerning the subject of race and racism may therefore be dismissed without evaluation. Any study lending support to the egalitarian idea may be discarded without critical analysis of any kind, if the conductees of that study are found to have any leftist or anti-racist political affiliation, as this may inhibit that impartiality we are so desirous of securing.

That, at least, would be the method of criticism I would employ, in response to almost every article or study or opinion urging an argument contrary to the conclusion of Rushton's work, if I happened to follow by this example. But that is just intellectual laziness.

Accusing someone of antiracism is just as legitimate a criticism as to accuse him of racism.

1 I didnt but would he have been funded by the same organisation if his research showed the blacks had bigger brains and higher intelligence?

2 very true, thats why all research can be refuted its a matter of perspective and motive. I only ever try to demonstrate to anyone who quotes research to make sure its unbiased

3 Only in your opinion

Ahknaton
11-19-2006, 02:34 PM
1 I didnt but would he have been funded by the same organisation if his research showed the blacks had bigger brains and higher intelligence?
Why do you say that? If it was a White racist organisation, why do they publish results that show that East Asians and Ashkenazi Jews have higher IQs than Whites?
3 Only in your opinion
http://www.handfulofsand.com/images/blog/lebowski.jpg

"Yeah well, you know, that's just like your opinion, man." (http://www.jahozafat.com/0085934086/WAVS/Movies/Big_Lebowski/opinion.wav)

Nyx
11-19-2006, 02:37 PM
3 Only in your opinionNot in my opinion. I don't believe antiracist research should be dismissed without evaluation. I added: "That, at least, would be the method of criticism I would employ, in response to almost every article or study or opinion urging an argument contrary to the conclusion of Rushton's work, if I happened to follow by this example. But that is just intellectual laziness."

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 02:51 PM
Not in my opinion. I don't believe antiracist research should be dismissed without evaluation. I added: "That, at least, would be the method of criticism I would employ, in response to almost every article or study or opinion urging an argument contrary to the conclusion of Rushton's work, if I happened to follow by this example. But that is just intellectual laziness."

contradictory to Ruston
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1488860&dopt=Abstract
http://ant.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/2/2/131
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15165724
http://www.geocities.com/sailerfraud/articles/rushton.html

Pro Rushton
http://www.amren.com/996issue/996issue.html


Im sure there are more supporters I just cant seem to find them, only ones that have a racist bias to them.

Those refuting or challenging Rushtons "theories" tend to be scholars who, unlike myself, are not intellectually lazy...:mad:

Nyx
11-19-2006, 03:02 PM
contradictory to Ruston
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1488860&dopt=Abstract
http://ant.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/2/2/131Rusthon has responded to the first article, and deals with the arguments urged in the second article in his book.

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=15165724Link doesn't work.

http://www.geocities.com/sailerfraud/articles/rushton.htmlThis couldn't be more mendacious. The author tries to paint him as some sort of scientific outcast, whereas in fact he is highly regarded in his own field.

Eminent men on Rushton and his book:

"I think Phil is an honest and capable researcher ... The basic reasoning by Rushton is solid evolutionary reasoning; that is it's logically sound. If he had seen some apparent geographic variation for a non-human species-a species of sparrow or sparrow hawk, for example-no one would have batted an eye."
-- E.O. Wilson

"Professor Rushton is widely known and respected for the unusual combination of rigour and originality in his work....Few concerned with understanding the problems associated with race can afford to disregard this storehouse of well-integrated information which gives rise to a remarkable synthesis."
---Hans J. Eysenck, University of London

"This brilliant book is the most impressive theory-based study...of the psychological and behavioral differences between the major racial groups that I have encountered in the world literature on this subject."
---Arthur R. Jensen, University of California, Berkeley

"Should, if there is any justice, receive a Nobel Prize."
---Richard Lynn, Spectator

Pro Rushton
http://www.amren.com/996issue/996issue.html

Those refuting or challenging Rushtons "theories" tend to be scholars who, unlike myself, are not intellectually lazy...:mad:His ideas are actually not as controversial as you are supposing them to be, at least within the pertinent scientific discplines.

Outside of the relevant discplines, of course, his ideas are extremely controversial.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 03:08 PM
Rusthon has responded to the first article, and deals with the arguments urged in the second article in his book.

Link doesn't work.

This couldn't be more mendacious. The author tries to paint him as some sort of scientific outcast, whereas in fact he is highly regarded in his own field.

Eminent men on Rushton and his book:

"I think Phil is an honest and capable researcher ... The basic reasoning by Rushton is solid evolutionary reasoning; that is it's logically sound. If he had seen some apparent geographic variation for a non-human species-a species of sparrow or sparrow hawk, for example-no one would have batted an eye."
-- E.O. Wilson

"Professor Rushton is widely known and respected for the unusual combination of rigour and originality in his work....Few concerned with understanding the problems associated with race can afford to disregard this storehouse of well-integrated information which gives rise to a remarkable synthesis."
---Hans J. Eysenck, University of London

"This brilliant book is the most impressive theory-based study...of the psychological and behavioral differences between the major racial groups that I have encountered in the world literature on this subject."
---Arthur R. Jensen, University of California, Berkeley

"Should, if there is any justice, receive a Nobel Prize."
---Richard Lynn, Spectator

Pro Rushton
http://www.amren.com/996issue/996issue.html

His ideas actually not as controversial as you are supposing them as, at least within the pertinent scientific discplines.


you cherry pick the relevant portions and soundbites. Give me some links on research that supports Rushton work.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 03:10 PM
Other controversial works included his 1965 book "Smoking, Health and
Personality," which propounded that smoking does not cause cancer but is a
symptom, along with cancer, of mysterious hereditary and emotional
illnesses.

Hans J. Eysenck, University of London

Juts cerry picked this myself tp prove the point

Nyx
11-19-2006, 03:19 PM
Actually, there was no solid proof that smoking caused cancer until relatively recently (after 1997). Hans Eysenck is one of the most highly regarded psychologists of the 20th century, and also the most widely cited psychologist of all time, so you (as a non-scientist) are probably going to have some difficulty discrediting him.

But this is becoming tedious. You are an obvious troll, and the best way to deal with a troll is to ignore him.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 03:22 PM
Actually, there was no solid proof that smoking caused cancer until relatively recently (after 1997). Hans Eysenck is one of the most highly regarded psychologists of the 20th century, and also the most widely cited psychologist of all time, so you (as a non-scientist) are probably going to have some difficulty discrediting him.

But this is becoming tedious. I am convinced that you are trolling and the best way to deal with a troll is to ignore him.


Tedious yes, You have accused me of trolling before is that what you resort to?

Nyx
11-19-2006, 03:24 PM
Tedious yes, You have accused me of trolling before is that what you resort to?
The mere fact that I can't be bothered to respond line by line to everything you cut-and-paste doesn't somehow make you right.

Say something original for a change and maybe I won't put you on ignore.

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 03:37 PM
The mere fact that I can't be bothered to respond line by line to everything you cut-and-paste doesn't somehow make you right.

Say something original for a change and maybe I won't put you on ignore.


Your posts tend to be pretentious and over elborate substatiated with biased research when you actually quote some. I feel that you are massaging your intellectual credibility and showing signs of a superiority complex.

I wont go on, just put me on ignore.....

Vasily Zaitsev
11-19-2006, 07:36 PM
Attempting to dismiss Rushton as a fraud is pointless. The first blurb posted by Mr. Angry is largely groundless and meant for popular consumption by uneducated twits.

Arguing against Rushton from a qualified scientific perspective, however, is fine. That's because he's a legitimate scientist. Were his research dishonest, lazy, etc his tenure would have been removed when it was reviewed at the behest of the leftist inquisitors at his institution. That's what happens to the academically dishonest. Take a look at the case of Michael Bellesisles for a demonstration of this process.

It should also be noted that Dr. Rushton publishes frequently in major peer-reviewed journals. Take, for example, the fact that he had the lead and final articles in Psychology, Public Policy, and Law - Vol. 11, No. 2 (June 2005) last summer. Said journal is an offical publication of the American Psychological Association. His conclusions are unpopular, but his integrity is not suspect.

Hrolf Kraki
11-19-2006, 08:08 PM
he pissed you off?
what exactly did he say that wasn't true?
Jews have the highest IQ results in the world! 115,black have the lowest. 70!

about the noble prizes:
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physics:45, 26% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in chemistry:28,19% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physiology and medicine:52,29% of the total awards
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in literature:12,12% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in economics:21,28% of the total awards.

so I dont exactly see whats wrong with the facts he said.

What he said may be true, and I would have no problem with him proudly declaring it, but I do not think it is fair for him to be able to say such a thing while someone of European decent would be labeled a neo-nazi or something of the like because he proudly stated facts about what his people have accomplished.

I also could not understand why the neo-nazi guys got thrown out when that black guy started the fight. However, I think the goal of this episode was to get the dumbest white nationalist type people on the show to make everyone feel bad about having racialist views because they might start relating racialist views to people like those dumbasses. Perhaps they post on VNN. :p

Hrolf Kraki
11-19-2006, 08:21 PM
I couldn't figure out for the longest time what that Jewish guy and Geraldo kept saying, but now I finally got it. They're trying to use German phrases, but they sound horribly butchered. Then the Jewish guy declared that he was a jelly donut. :rofl:

Starr
11-19-2006, 08:42 PM
The women who made the comment of "why are you afraid to let people speak" needs to take an honest look around and see who it is that is actually not allowed to speak. And what is not allowed to be discussed in any kind of rational manner.

I always found it interesting and telling that of all of the possible things that could have set off Roy Innis, the words that actually did were "uncle tom." You know what is said about the stronger reaction people will give to words that they might believe have a little bit of truth in them.

I like quoting the fact that Jews have the highest IQ's to white supremacists, although I dont hold much faith in IQ exclusively.

So as an anti-racist, other groups can talk of their "superiority" as long as it is not white gentiles who are doing so? Why are these things ok for some and not others?

MrAngry
11-19-2006, 09:03 PM
So as an anti-racist, other groups can talk of their "superiority" as long as it is not white gentiles who are doing so? Why are these things ok for some and not others?

hey, I'm proud of the acheivements that Britain has given the world, if anything if it were not for many talented Englishmen, some who were Jews I may add, the world would be a much different place and not nearly as advanced.

I wrote I like pointing it out to racist bigots, not because I believe it.

Starr
11-19-2006, 09:13 PM
I wrote I like pointing it out to racist bigots, not because I believe it.

Would you feel the same way about me pointing out the higher white IQ to members of the nation of Islam? For some reason I think not.

Hrolf Kraki
11-19-2006, 09:19 PM
hey, I'm proud of the acheivements that Britain has given the world, if anything if it were not for many talented Englishmen, some who were Jews I may add, the world would be a much different place and not nearly as advanced.

I wrote I like pointing it out to racist bigots, not because I believe it.

Isaac Newton owns everyone.

///M power
11-19-2006, 09:23 PM
So as an anti-racist, other groups can talk of their "superiority" as long as it is not white gentiles who are doing so? Why are these things ok for some and not others?

I'm a Jew racialist or racist, but I do not consider or preach that Jews are supreme and master of everybody even if I know the IQ data and all that, I will not use it against anyone unless they tell me I'm inferior to them, unlike the "Nazis" this is the difference between my racism and Nazi racism.
my racism is really positive I always say that.
if people say they want to preserve their race and would like to live with their own people I can respect that, but if they say they are the master of the universe and I'm garbage then ill go right ahead and get them down from the high tree they climbed.
if whites only said the positive stuff about racism and not the supremacy stuff the white movement would have been very big and successful and publicly supported.
too bad most people cannot understand that.

Starr
11-19-2006, 09:46 PM
my racism is really positive I always say that.
if people say they want to preserve their race and would like to live with their own people I can respect that, but if they say they are the master of the universe and I'm garbage then ill go right ahead and get them down from the high tree they climbed.
if whites only said the positive stuff about racism and not the supremacy stuff the white movement would have been very big and successful and publicly supported.
too bad most people cannot understand that.


You can respect that. Mr. Angry and others like him cannot. What irritates me the most is when they are inconsistant as I am starting to see some hints of in this thread, with a few different things he has said.
It would help, certainly to cut out some of the negative words about other races(I say this knowing that I am certainly guilty of this:p ), but just talking about wanting to live around your own people, if you are talking in racial terms is going to get you a very negative label all on its own. Even thinking about "my own people" if, by that, I mean white people is "intolerant and racist."

I see nothing wrong in anyone pointing out and glorifing the achievements of their race or the positive attributes of their race and there is going to be a fine line between that and getting into areas that might offend others.

People can even stay away from the subject of race as much as possible and if they are for or against the wrong things, they are still called racist. The minutemen is one example. They never make racist comments and even are open to all races joining them in fighting illegal immigration, but the SPLC still calls them "haters"

Rob Roy MacGregor
11-19-2006, 10:46 PM
The Rabbi claimed that Jews win 50-80% of all Nobel prizes, so he was exaggerating.

I didn't get what he meant about Michael Dukakis, who isn't even Jewish. Perhaps he was equating being liberal with being a Jew. :confused:
The Nobel Prize is mostly decided by Jews.

///M power
11-19-2006, 10:52 PM
The Nobel Prize is mostly decided by Jews.

and because everything is influenced/done by Jews(according to wn's) white supremacist should think Jews are the Aryan , and they are exactly the way blacks feel about whites.
a true Aryan doesn't have masters,if you want to think of yourself as Aryan you cannot say that the Jews control all the major stuff.

MrAngry
11-20-2006, 07:30 AM
Would you feel the same way about me pointing out the higher white IQ to members of the nation of Islam? For some reason I think not.

I read that all the time, the difference is that the people who write truly believe it...... And this may suprise you, Islamic fundamentalists are as bad as any WN or christian fundamentalist IMO

MrAngry
11-20-2006, 04:29 PM
You can respect that. Mr. Angry and others like him cannot. What irritates me the most is when they are inconsistant as I am starting to see some hints of in this thread, with a few different things he has said.

Let me clarify, it is my "belief" that essentially all races are human beings and are motivated by love, pain, greed, hate etc etc, basic human emotions. That if we concentrated on what makes us the same instead of what makes us different, which IMO, is very superficial, then that would a huge step.

I understand and Im not naive to think that the world is not without its issues, some of which are racially and ideologically motivated. I can understand from the perspective of musclepower, that the Jews have been persecuted, executed and vilified over centuries, and the need for security within ones own racial group may be desirable. I still think that this is flawed, but thats another discussion. What I dont particlarly like is the way some races are refered to and the propaganda that supports those claims. For every peice of literature, for every study for every veiw point there is a counter arguement, so for me they are worthless because they pretty much preach to the choir. I use what I have experienced and sensed and what I see as the main yardstick on how I form my opinions and beliefs.

I just wonder how many "intellectuals" have experienced much "real" life instead of quoting passages from books and the internet, and writing in a high brow fashion that they believe gives them credibility, it really sounds like something from dungeons and dragons, scary too. Academia v experience, which would you hold more value to?

If this was a Muslim supremacist forum I would have the same opinions, I actually believe that immigrants should respect the values and traditions of their host nation, which doesnt mean they have to comprimise their own. However, if those values are inconsistent with the host nation then they should either change or leave for a society that shares them, bet that suprised you? The issue of ethnicity shouldnt come into it IMO.

Or have I contradicted myself again? :confused:

MrAngry
11-20-2006, 06:09 PM
A review of the book A History of the Pioneer Fund






who heads this organisation now? And why did Eugenics lose its appeal which in theory isnt a bad idea?

MrAngry
11-20-2006, 07:31 PM
Attempting to dismiss Rushton as a fraud is pointless. The first blurb posted by Mr. Angry is largely groundless and meant for popular consumption by uneducated twits.

Arguing against Rushton from a qualified scientific perspective, however, is fine. That's because he's a legitimate scientist. Were his research dishonest, lazy, etc his tenure would have been removed when it was reviewed at the behest of the leftist inquisitors at his institution. That's what happens to the academically dishonest. Take a look at the case of Michael Bellesisles for a demonstration of this process.

It should also be noted that Dr. Rushton publishes frequently in major peer-reviewed journals. Take, for example, the fact that he had the lead and final articles in Psychology, Public Policy, and Law - Vol. 11, No. 2 (June 2005) last summer. Said journal is an offical publication of the American Psychological Association. His conclusions are unpopular, but his integrity is not suspect.


Rushton became an outcast from the reputable scientific community. After seeing his scientific career spiral downhill since the 1990s, Rushton was dealt some final blows to seal his fate. His reputation was so lowly he was booed off the unreputable Geraldo Rivera stage set. The only major supporters of the racial ideology of this failed scientist remaining into the 21st century are David Duke, former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan who lost the Louisiana governor's race over a decade ago, and today a worldwide spokesman for the white supremacy movement.

The links to the racist movements are littered throughout hos career, clearly he was am intelligent man, however even intelligent men can have clouded judgement.....

Starr
11-20-2006, 09:42 PM
I just wonder how many "intellectuals" have experienced much "real" life instead of quoting passages from books and the internet, and writing in a high brow fashion that they believe gives them credibility, it really sounds like something from dungeons and dragons, scary too. Academia v experience, which would you hold more value to?

It is very much experienced based for a lot of people. You certainly do not need to be an intellectual to observe the very different behavioral patterns between the different races. A lot of people might feel more comfortable relying on the acceptable opinions that list any number of environmental factors to explain these things away, instead of reading and understanding why these differences actually exist.
I am going to take an educated guess here that the intellectuals as you call them were motivated by what they saw around them, in regards to race, to want to try to dig into the subject a little deeper.


Let me clarify, it is my "belief" that essentially all races are human beings and are motivated by love, pain, greed, hate etc etc, basic human emotions. That if we concentrated on what makes us the same instead of what makes us different, which IMO, is very superficial, then that would a huge step.

If you base all of this on a lowest common denominator type of thinking, I would remind you that Charles Manson, you and I also have many similarities, does this mean you should welcome him as your new neighbor? there is a lot more to what makes up a person and makes them tick, so to speak than the bare bones stuff you listed.
And why stop at "human beings?" Chimpanzees are very close to us as well:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6036281.stm

Vasily Zaitsev
11-20-2006, 11:19 PM
Rushton became an outcast from the reputable scientific community. After seeing his scientific career spiral downhill since the 1990s, Rushton was dealt some final blows to seal his fate. His reputation was so lowly he was booed off the unreputable Geraldo Rivera stage set. The only major supporters of the racial ideology of this failed scientist remaining into the 21st century are David Duke, former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan who lost the Louisiana governor's race over a decade ago, and today a worldwide spokesman for the white supremacy movement.

The links to the racist movements are littered throughout hos career, clearly he was am intelligent man, however even intelligent men can have clouded judgement.....

I had no idea outcasts could publish lead articles in major journals (http://www.apa.org/journals/law/). And all the while keeping their tenure. Funny, that. Also, getting booed off of a talk show stage means nothing in the scientific world. A researcher's professional merits are not gauged by how effectively he plays to an especially ignorant sample of a largely under-educated public. Scientists publish, review, speak at conferences, etc. Rushton does all of the above. That blurb is, at best, a non-sequitur.

I'm getting the sneaking suspicion that you have no idea how science is done. The fact that you're willing to parrot rhetoric from an ideological source that is clearly contradicted by a man's publishing record is ridiculous.

By the way, if your reading level is high enough, I have that Summer 2005 edition of Psychology, Public Policy, and Law in PDF format. It contains six articles: the lead by Rushton and Jensen, four responses, and a rebuttal by R & J. Let me know if you'd like it.

Nyx
11-21-2006, 06:08 AM
Rushton became an outcast from the reputable scientific community.I already refuted this.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-21-2006, 06:16 AM
Those guys are a disgrace, and it is my personal mission to insure they do not infiltrate and destroy the more cultured groups who consider race to be an important issue.

Nyx
11-21-2006, 07:01 AM
it is my personal mission to insure they do not infiltrate and destroy the more cultured groups who consider race to be an important issue.What are you doing to ensure this?

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-21-2006, 07:03 AM
What are you doing to ensure this?
Identifying organizations that I consider worthy and pumping money into them and becoming closely allied with them or at least giving them verbal support.

Nyx
11-21-2006, 07:23 AM
Identifying organizations that I consider worthy and pumping money into them and becoming closely allied with them or at least giving them verbal support.Insufficient.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
11-21-2006, 07:24 AM
lol, what else am I supposed to do, get a gun and shoot down every person I consider a threat?

Osmium14
11-21-2006, 08:03 AM
MrAngry is a fool. Rushton's research proves that Asians are smarter than Whites, and Jews have the highest IQ. That sure goes in the face of so-called "White Supremacism," right? Stop making a fool out of yourself. If Rushton was a White Supremacist, then he would've concluded with his data that Whites are superior in intelligence and everything else.

Also, your logic is absurd. You're a typical liberal fool who has been brainwashed his whole life by the media and society. Why can't you just admit it that if there are physical differences such as height, weight, skin pigmentation, etc. there has to be mental differences too? DNA, genetics, and Darwinism don’t only affect the appearance of a species or subspecies (a.k.a. race). It affects their ability to survive; intelligence and intuition come into play also. Survival of the fittest is the reason why humans are smarter than worms or vice versa.

You can't deny genotypical (genetic DNA) differences but accept phenotypical (appearance, physical look) differences. Blacks are taller for a reason; i.e. the average African is taller than the average Asian. Skin pigmentation is there for a reason too. Africa is mostly sunny with no shade, the darker skin protects Africans from skin cancer and their tall height allows for more surface area to cool them down. Whites evolved in the more temperate zones of Earth (in the Northern hemisphere and Southern hemisphere) where the temperature is cold to medium. The White skin allows for better Vitamin D absorption. Asians evolved in more tropical and "jungle/rainforest" zones, therefore their skin is brownish and they are small/short to elude predators such as tigers. The Asian slanty eyelids are there for wind protection for the Asians who lived high in the mountains.

Evolution is a slow process that is experimental. Certain features of species or subspecies have to selected out, changed, or remain the same for ONE REASON: it makes the species more adapted to the environment. It makes them survive better than if they didn't have a certain feature.

Vasily Zaitsev
11-21-2006, 08:07 AM
lol, what else am I supposed to do, get a gun and shoot down every person I consider a threat?

It's far too early for purges.

However, if you don't already own a shotgun suitable for home defense, a handgun, and a modern military rifle you need to get with the program. :viking:

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 08:08 AM
It is very much experienced based for a lot of people. You certainly do not need to be an intellectual to observe the very different behavioral patterns between the different races. A lot of people might feel more comfortable relying on the acceptable opinions that list any number of environmental factors to explain these things away, instead of reading and understanding why these differences actually exist.
I am going to take an educated guess here that the intellectuals as you call them were motivated by what they saw around them, in regards to race, to want to try to dig into the subject a little deeper.]

Observe from what perspective? From what you see on TV or what you experience as you walk round city centres? Looking in ethnic dominated areas at the squalor and crime, then reading literature that tells you that its caused by certain ethnic groups because of their genetic make up. Do you accept that these conditions are caused in any way by a poor eductaion, low expectation and a great deal of suspiscion because the minorities had been poorly treated within living memory? Would you accept that if there was an all white society that these issues in underpriveleged areas would still exist and to the same extent?



If you base all of this on a lowest common denominator type of thinking, I would remind you that Charles Manson, you and I also have many similarities, does this mean you should welcome him as your new neighbor? there is a lot more to what makes up a person and makes them tick, so to speak than the bare bones stuff you listed.
And why stop at "human beings?" Chimpanzees are very close to us as well:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6036281.stm

Charles Manson, you and I have many similarities, we are human after all, but because he chose to murder am I to assume that all whites are likely to murder? Or that, I couldnt care less if the person was black, brown, white or yellow a murderer is a murderer and no one would want then as a neighbour.

Bill Cosby, has no damning history I believe (Im sure someone will dig something up :) ) and would he not make a good neighbour?
Manson or Cosby?

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 08:17 AM
MrAngry is a fool. Rushton's research proves that Asians are smarter than Whites, and Jews have the highest IQ. That sure goes in the face of so-called "White Supremacism," right? Stop making a fool out of yourself. If Rushton was a White Supremacist, then he would've concluded with his data that Whites are superior in intelligence and everything else..

Theories are not proof.

Also, your logic is absurd. You're a typical liberal fool who has been brainwashed his whole life by the media and society.

Yes of course, and by living the experience, alot of whats posted on here is media related. Ethnics torturing a dog, girl banned from starting a european club,mexicans torturing disabled man, that sort of thing. I am actually very sceptical about what I read. Are you?


Why can't you just admit it that if there are physical differences such as height, weight, skin pigmentation, etc. there has to be mental differences too? DNA, genetics, and Darwinism donít only affect the appearance of a species or subspecies (a.k.a. race). It affects their ability to survive; intelligence and intuition come into play also. Survival of the fittest is the reason why humans are smarter than worms or vice versa...

If you are taller than your brother does the same apply?

You can't deny genotypical (genetic DNA) differences but accept phenotypical (appearance, physical look) differences. Blacks are taller for a reason; i.e. the average African is taller than the average Asian. Skin pigmentation is there for a reason too. Africa is mostly sunny with no shade, the darker skin protects Africans from skin cancer and their tall height allows for more surface area to cool them down. Whites evolved in the more temperate zones of Earth (in the Northern hemisphere and Southern hemisphere) where the temperature is cold to medium. The White skin allows for better Vitamin D absorption. Asians evolved in more tropical and "jungle/rainforest" zones, therefore their skin is brownish and they are small/short to elude predators such as tigers. The Asian slanty eyelids are there for wind protection for the Asians who lived high in the mountains.

Evolution is a slow process that is experimental. Certain features of species or subspecies have to selected out, changed, or remain the same for ONE REASON: it makes the species more adapted to the environment. It makes them survive better than if they didn't have a certain feature.

Do you know what I totally agree, :) I do belive that its environmental factors that shape the human being and not his ethnic background or colour.

Osmium14
11-21-2006, 08:18 AM
Observe from what perspective? From what you see on TV or what you experience as you walk round city centres? Looking in ethnic dominated areas at the squalor and crime, then reading literature that tells you that its caused by certain ethnic groups because of their genetic make up. Do you accept that these conditions are caused in any way by a poor eductaion, low expectation and a great deal of suspiscion because the minorities had been poorly treated within living memory? Would you accept that if there was an all white society that these issues in underpriveleged areas would still exist and to the same extent?



Hahahaha, you make me laugh. Poor Whites have low crime rates, the same as in Japan and Asia. Poverty does not equal to criminal activity--especially not violent crime. Your analogy of "ethnic groups" to an "all white society" is baseless. I would rather live in an all white society that was dirt poor, then to live with a non-White society.

In the end, your kind will blame it on all sorts of environmental things: poor education, low expection, "minority" discrimination, etc. You will never accept genetic evidence or racial differences. Keep living in Wonderland, boy. I hope you make friends with these "ethnic groups" and learn the truth.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 08:21 AM
I already refuted this.

ok...........:deadhorse:

Osmium14
11-21-2006, 08:24 AM
Do you know what I totally agree, :) I do belive that its environmental factors that shape the human being and not his ethnic background or colour.

You have to understand that physical differences manifested by your DNA or "race" accompany mental differences too. If nothing changed but our "physical appearances" than who is to say that our brains are the same as a random chimpanzee? Or a worm?

Genetically speaking, evolution affects everything, from temperament to "intelligence" to behavior. This goes for all humans, all breeds of dogs, breeds of horses, frogs, cats, etc.

These "environmental factors" have encoded their change into human DNA and that's why we have different races. It takes tens of thousands of years, and hundreds of thousands of generations for this to take place. Can't you understand that if a European's DNA is totally different to an African's DNA? Evolution through environmental factors has shaped the human races we see today.

This is why the different races are NOT equal.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 08:34 AM
Hahahaha, you make me laugh. Poor Whites have low crime rates, the same as in Japan and Asia. Poverty does not equal to criminal activity--especially not violent crime. Your analogy of "ethnic groups" to an "all white society" is baseless. I would rather live in an all white society that was dirt poor, then to live with a non-White society. .

Really? :rofl: Take a walk through Toxteth in Liverpool, Brandsholme in Hull, Whythenshaw in Manchester, and see how much violent crime you encounter, guess what colour the majority of people are? I accept the same can be said for Oldham, Brixton etc which are ethnically dominated, but guess what, the environments are pretty similar. Get your head out of books and go take a walk, numpty...

In the end, your kind will blame it on all sorts of environmental things: poor education, low expection, "minority" discrimination, etc. You will never accept genetic evidence or racial differences. Keep living in Wonderland, boy. I hope you make friends with these "ethnic groups" and learn the truth.


Abso fooking lutely! :)

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 08:39 AM
Genetically speaking, evolution affects everything, from temperament to "intelligence" to behavior. This goes for all humans, all breeds of dogs, breeds of horses, frogs, cats, etc..



The Vikings, predominately Scandanavian, where rampaging through the Brtish Isles only a few hundred years ago, today the are known as a peace loving people. What changed their behaviour so fundamentally and so quickly if it is genetic?

Richard Parker
11-21-2006, 08:46 AM
The Vikings, predominately Scandanavian, where rampaging through the Brtish Isles only a few hundred years ago, today the are known as a peace loving people. What changed their behaviour so fundamentally and so quickly if it is genetic?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to MrAngry again.

delete
11-21-2006, 09:42 AM
MrAngry wrote
The Vikings, predominately Scandanavian, where rampaging through the Brtish Isles only a few hundred years ago, today the are known as a peace loving people. What changed their behaviour so fundamentally and so quickly if it is genetic?

WE never changed, we are still rational. The vikings killed and plundered mainly to create civil war and famine in the raped country, not because they hated or liked to kill people.
Do this a few years, and the population is ready to be conquered.

The Scandinavians learned this from the Romans, and some poeple have never forgotten how it is done. Look at Iraq or look at the american indians.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 10:00 AM
WE never changed, we are still rational. The vikings killed and plundered mainly to create civil war and famine in the raped country, not because they hated or liked to kill people.
Do this a few years, and the population is ready to be conquered.

The Scandinavians learned this from the Romans, and some poeple have never forgotten how it is done. Look at Iraq or look at the american indians.

The point I was answering was, if the way peoples behave is genetic, then perhaps you should still be raping and pillaging. And are you really suggesting that Vikings didnt hate the people they killed, it was just business? Or they liked them?

At that time it was a means to an end, that I accept, not that it was genetically inevitable.

:)

///M power
11-21-2006, 10:06 AM
The point I was answering was, if the way peoples behave is genetic, then perhaps you should still be raping and pillaging. And are you really suggesting that Vikings didnt hate the people they killed, it was just business? Or they liked them?

At that time it was a means to an end, that I accept, not that it was genetically inevitable.

:)

I think you are right about this,Scandinavian are the most peace loving liberal people these days.
Scandinavia is much more liberal then any other Western countries..
correct me if I'm wrong but I dont think they participated in any war the last 300 years..
they did change.

delete
11-21-2006, 10:41 AM
Just business, and when we free our county of immigrants, it will still just be business.

The fucking christians attaced us, what should we do other than to reduse the population in the neigboring counties.
Raping and pillaging never brings strenght, but it wakens the opponent.
If I was a viking commander, I would give the psychopats and the rapists free reign on forreign soil, and then leave them there.

The Swedes and the Danes made hell in Polen and eastern Europe and the last real fighting was the great northern war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Northern_War

Kriger
11-21-2006, 10:54 AM
Our ancestors the Vikings, who so many like to point out as the reference point for barbarianism, wanted to progress from barbaric villages to great civilizations. They saw how the Romans did it. Nothing like learning from the pros. But our ancestors came to their senses again.

We will fight if we have to, but we are basically live and let live people.

Too bad the rest of the world has yet to catch up with us.

At the rate things are going, the world will be unliveable before people stop killing each other in the name of whatever.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 11:00 AM
Our ancestors the Vikings, who so many like to point out as the reference point for barbarianism, wanted to progress from barbaric villages to great civilizations. They saw how the Romans did it. Nothing like learning from the pros. But our ancestors came to their senses again.

We will fight if we have to, but we are basically live and let live people.

Too bad the rest of the world has yet to catch up with us.

At the rate things are going, the world will be unliveable before people stop killing each other in the name of whatever.

Agreed.......:)

///M power
11-21-2006, 11:07 AM
Our ancestors the Vikings, who so many like to point out as the reference point for barbarianism, wanted to progress from barbaric villages to great civilizations. They saw how the Romans did it. Nothing like learning from the pros. But our ancestors came to their senses again.

We will fight if we have to, but we are basically live and let live people.

Too bad the rest of the world has yet to catch up with us.

At the rate things are going, the world will be unliveable before people stop killing each other in the name of whatever.

you are right, this is a good way to see how people evolve, and the Scandinavians are maybe the most advaced in the world today.
but in some places you just cant act like the Scandinavian act today,Scandinavia is far away from any trouble,its very isolated.
the Scandinavian liberals judge us,Israel, about not being peaceful enough,these liberals just cant understand that if we act like they do, in the middle east, we will be eaten alive.maybe they should look at their history and remember that survival is necessary and you cant choose not to fight. if you choose not to fight your opponents will destroy you.
anyway the Scandinavians show exactly whats evolution, if you look at the Arabs and Africans you can see that they haven't progressed much thought history,they remained what other European countries were 1000 years ago.

delete
11-21-2006, 11:16 AM
The scandinavians had a rule of law. This is the main reason they adopted some parts of roman law, is because they saw some of them preferable or simply better. Other parts of roman law was droppet instead of their own ancestral laws.

Some of the oldest written documents in scandinavia are laws for different parts of Scandinavia.
The laws was made at Tings, and has names after the ting they were created. In norway we still use theese names and areas for judicial courts. Eidsivating, gulating, borgarting etc.
These names also appears in the sagas.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 11:49 AM
The scandinavians had a rule of law. This is the main reason they adopted some parts of roman law, is because they saw some of them preferable or simply better. Other parts of roman law was droppet instead of their own ancestral laws.

Some of the oldest written documents in scandinavia are laws for different parts of Scandinavia.
The laws was made at Tings, and has names after the ting they were created. In norway we still use theese names and areas for judicial courts. Eidsivating, gulating, borgarting etc.
These names also appears in the sagas.


Anything you could suggest thats worth reading? :)

delete
11-21-2006, 12:20 PM
Online I assume?

The Viking Answer Lady is a start to read about Vikings.
http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/index.shtml

This could also be of interest.
Northern Arcadia: Foreign Travelers in Scandinavia, 1765-1815
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3686/is_200012/ai_n8911474

Here you get some famous names that have travelled in Scandinavia, most famous Thomas Malthus, who used the way Norwegians controlled their population as a model for his theory.

I don't know which part of the scandinavian history you are interested in, but I could probably help.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 12:35 PM
Online I assume?

The Viking Answer Lady is a start to read about Vikings.
http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/index.shtml

This could also be of interest.
Northern Arcadia: Foreign Travelers in Scandinavia, 1765-1815
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3686/is_200012/ai_n8911474

Here you get some famous names that have travelled in Scandinavia, most famous Thomas Malthus, who used the way Norwegians controlled their population as a model for his theory.

I don't know which part of the scandinavian history you are interested in, but I could probably help.

The man was a bit of a pesimist! I'll keep reading thanks

delete
11-21-2006, 12:47 PM
Thomas Malthus actually saw his solution in Norway.

Norway was dirt poor moneywise at this time, but still had the highest average lafe-span in the (western) world.
The standard of living was fairly high, because if you didn't have the resources to support children, you couldn't get married.
People also married late, IIRC the average age of marriage was 26 at this time.

Avalanche
11-21-2006, 01:26 PM
Let me clarify, it is my "belief" that essentially all races are human beings and are motivated by love, pain, greed, hate etc etc, basic human emotions. That if we concentrated on what makes us the same instead of what makes us different, which IMO, is very superficial, then that would a huge step.

I understand and Im not naive to think that the world is not without its issues, some of which are racially and ideologically motivated. ... What I dont particlarly like is the way some races are refered to and the propaganda that supports those claims. For every peice of literature, for every study for every veiw point there is a counter arguement, so for me they are worthless because they pretty much preach to the choir. I use what I have experienced and sensed and what I see as the main yardstick on how I form my opinions and beliefs.

I just wonder how many "intellectuals" have experienced much "real" life instead of quoting passages from books and the internet, and writing in a high brow fashion that they believe gives them credibility, it really sounds like something from dungeons and dragons, scary too. Academia v experience, which would you hold more value to?
So, this means you're ready to move into Detroit or Harlem? You think that those "poor discriminated-against black folks mired in poverty and bad schooling" are NOT innately violent and will leave you alone because you feel they are "equal" to whites? Let's try some racial realism: it really doesn't matter whether it's genetic or not -- it is the CASE that blacks, when they reach a certain critical mass -- I believe the most accepted proportion (among us evil racists :rolleyes: ) is 20% -- in a (once white) neighborhood, destroy the neighborhood! Blacks keep wanting to move into (nicer, cleaner, less violent) white neighborhoods to get away from their own kind -- and then they bring it with them. (Just as huge parts of Californaia are now Mexican slums... they move here and bring it with them!)

No matter what lies and foolishness academia is spreading -- experience shows that (a huge majority of the world's) blacks are violent, unintelligent animals... and the exceptions to the rule do NOT disprove the rule! And if you think it's just faked research and mean-old racists that (you claim falsely) prove that blacks cannot create, maintain, or excel in a (white-built) technological society, find a SINGLE black society in the history of the world where they have managed to do so. (Without govt-enforced affirmative action and massive continuous propagandizing of the whites! Even then, they don't excel, they merely gum up the works by holding jobs they can't do! And proving it regularly.) If you think there are no genetic differences between the races... put your family where your beliefs are: move to Detroit and try to make a living... or stay alive!!

:mad: Av

Dr. Gutberlet
11-21-2006, 01:43 PM
Blacks have the anti-Midas touch; everything they touch turns to shit. It's great fun to see them burn Detroit every year on Devil's Night:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Night

Kriger
11-21-2006, 02:11 PM
you are right, this is a good way to see how people evolve, and the Scandinavians are maybe the most advaced in the world today.
but in some places you just cant act like the Scandinavian act today,Scandinavia is far away from any trouble,its very isolated.
the Scandinavian liberals judge us,Israel, about not being peaceful enough,these liberals just cant understand that if we act like they do, in the middle east, we will be eaten alive.maybe they should look at their history and remember that survival is necessary and you cant choose not to fight. if you choose not to fight your opponents will destroy you.
anyway the Scandinavians show exactly whats evolution, if you look at the Arabs and Africans you can see that they haven't progressed much thought history,they remained what other European countries were 1000 years ago.

Well, I don't know how liberal I am, I am a White racist, you know. Liberal in the sense that like should be allowed to live with like if they so choose. Otherwise, I am pretty intolerant of many things.

The Middle East is a boiling cauldron most of the time. It really is senseless to spend undue amount of time arguing over who should or should not have done what. The radical extremists from any faction are what makes life so miserable for so many. I really do not know if there will ever be peace in the Middle East. I really do not know if there are any solutions to the animosity between the different factions there.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 02:13 PM
Blacks have the anti-Midas touch; everything they touch turns to shit. It's great fun to see them burn Detroit every year on Devil's Night:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Night


Are you for real!? :cuss:

Dr. Gutberlet
11-21-2006, 02:19 PM
Are you for real!? :cuss:

Look it up. In fact you can look up footage of all their great contributions to society on youtube:

http://youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DCxmMdOvEGY0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t1LQvQHuDMk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d0hQuf0287g&mode=related&search=

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 02:26 PM
So, this means you're ready to move into Detroit or Harlem? You think that those "poor discriminated-against black folks mired in poverty and bad schooling" are NOT innately violent and will leave you alone because you feel they are "equal" to whites? Let's try some racial realism: it really doesn't matter whether it's genetic or not -- it is the CASE that blacks, when they reach a certain critical mass -- I believe the most accepted proportion (among us evil racists :rolleyes: ) is 20% -- in a (once white) neighborhood, destroy the neighborhood! Blacks keep wanting to move into (nicer, cleaner, less violent) white neighborhoods to get away from their own kind -- and then they bring it with them. (Just as huge parts of Californaia are now Mexican slums... they move here and bring it with them!)

No matter what lies and foolishness academia is spreading -- experience shows that (a huge majority of the world's) blacks are violent, unintelligent animals... and the exceptions to the rule do NOT disprove the rule! And if you think it's just faked research and mean-old racists that (you claim falsely) prove that blacks cannot create, maintain, or excel in a (white-built) technological society, find a SINGLE black society in the history of the world where they have managed to do so. (Without govt-enforced affirmative action and massive continuous propagandizing of the whites! Even then, they don't excel, they merely gum up the works by holding jobs they can't do! And proving it regularly.) If you think there are no genetic differences between the races... put your family where your beliefs are: move to Detroit and try to make a living... or stay alive!!

:mad: Av


This was a post I made to another chap on here. Dont take the tone as intended for you, it is a copy paste. I dont beleive it is genetic or race related, merely circumstance and environment. Most major cities Europe and the USA have had ghettos and slums with high crime rates well before any coloureds were evident in numbers, including the Irish and Italians as an example, do they also have a genetic trait that predisposes to the development of crime and violence?.


Really? Take a walk through Toxteth in Liverpool, Brandsholme in Hull, Whythenshaw in Manchester, and see how much violent crime you encounter, guess what colour the majority of people are? I accept the same can be said for Oldham, Brixton etc which are ethnically dominated, but guess what, the environments are pretty similar. Get your head out of books and go take a walk, n...

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 02:32 PM
Blacks have the anti-Midas touch; everything they touch turns to shit. It's great fun to see them burn Detroit every year on Devil's Night:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil's_Night

there's a guy in the next door office who is black, I saw him touching a pen and paper and they didnt turn to shit? Isn't he a proper black then?

Also, whilst Im being pedantic, anti midas would mean everything gold they touched would turn to something else not valuable. :)

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 02:34 PM
Look it up. In fact you can look up footage of all their great contributions to society on youtube:

http://youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DCxmMdOvEGY0

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t1LQvQHuDMk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=d0hQuf0287g&mode=related&search=


Youtube, the fount of all worldly knowledge and facts......... a great representation of society?

calvin
11-21-2006, 02:34 PM
Try taking a walk through the safest and most affluent parts of your town and see what colour most of the residents there are.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 02:41 PM
Try taking a walk through the safest and most affluent parts of your town and see what colour most of the residents there are.


In a nation where more than 90% are white. Durrrrrr :)

Dr. Gutberlet
11-21-2006, 03:12 PM
Youtube, the fount of all worldly knowledge and facts......... a great representation of society?


These events occur with regularity in every american inner city environment. To deny this is ignorance. To deny who most often perpetrates these crimes is even more ignorance. The Korean shop owners in these areas certainly don't commit these crimes or acts of wanton violence.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 03:16 PM
These events occur with regularity in every american inner city environment. To deny this is ignorance. To deny who most often perpetrates these crimes is even more ignorance. The Korean shop owners in these areas certainly don't commit these crimes or acts of wanton violence.


Of course they occur, they happen all over the world, ironically crime isnt racist, all can participate.......

calvin
11-21-2006, 04:25 PM
Okay Angry, try taking a walk through all the safest and most affluent parts of New Orleans, what colour are the people?

Hachiko
11-21-2006, 04:26 PM
The Korean shop owners in these areas certainly don't commit these crimes or acts of wanton violence.
THANK YOU!!! :)
Also note how Koreans can come here, open up a shop, work their asses off and own a home and an Escalade within a generation, whilst Blacks, free for about 150 years, can't make serious bank unless they are bouncing a ball or slobbering over a microphone like it's a KFC drumstick. :D

Dr. Gutberlet
11-21-2006, 05:37 PM
Poverty is no excuse for nigger behavior. The Irish and Italians never savaged innocents with wanton violence, much less destroyed their own communities even if they were living economically destitute slums. Look at the folk of Appalachia; particularly West Virginia. Poorer than niggers because they get less ,if any government, assistance, and the crime rates there are miniscule. Face it liberal trash, you can defend the savages all you want but statistics do not lie.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 05:59 PM
Poverty is no excuse for nigger behavior. The Irish and Italians never savaged innocents with wanton violence, much less destroyed their own communities even if they were living economically destitute slums.

you mut a comedian! :rofl:

Look at the folk of Appalachia; particularly West Virginia. Poorer than niggers because they get less ,if any government, assistance, and the crime rates there are miniscule.

wheres the evidence? It seems educational standards have risen in the Appalachian counties, average pay is lower than the US average but I could not find data to substantiate your claim of them being poorer than niggers. I'm just guessing here, but I'm pretty sure that they have never been discriminated against in recent history...


Face it liberal trash, you can defend the savages all you want but statistics do not lie.

I see no statistics!

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 06:03 PM
THANK YOU!!! :)
Also note how Koreans can come here, open up a shop, work their asses off and own a home and an Escalade within a generation, whilst Blacks, free for about 150 years, can't make serious bank unless they are bouncing a ball or slobbering over a microphone like it's a KFC drumstick. :D


Free to be segregated, free to have a second class education, free to be racially abused, free to have low paid jobs and free to lump it. Is it any wonder they might have an attitude problem,

Zrinski
11-21-2006, 06:28 PM
Jews have the highest IQ results in the world! 115,black have the lowest. 70!

This is the average IQ which means not every Jew has the IQ of 115 (it's 113 actually), it can be higher and it can be lower. It is also the average IQ of American Jews which means the Jews in other, especially much poorer (3rd world) countries (Asia and Africa) have much lower average IQ. And I sincerely doubt blacks have IQ of 70, that would make them retarded.

about the noble prizes:
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physics:45, 26% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in chemistry:28,19% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physiology and medicine:52,29% of the total awards
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in literature:12,12% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in economics:21,28% of the total awards.

so I don't exactly see whats wrong with the facts he said.

And? I don't see nothing special about this. Most of the other Nobel prizes (if not all) are won by "white" people, or Christians, or as you would call them - gentiles. I personally consider Americans Jews as equally "white" as anyone else.

///M power
11-21-2006, 06:39 PM
[This is the average IQ which means not every Jew has the IQ of 115 (it's 113 actually), it can be higher and it can be lower. It is also the average IQ of American Jews which means the Jews in other, especially much poorer (3rd world) countries (Asia and Africa) have much lower average IQ. And I sincerely doubt blacks have IQ of 70, that would make them retarded.

black africans are 70.
read this:
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm
European Jews also have about 115.
what does it prove?
that Jews with the exact same education system as whites get better results then whites, much better then the Asian average also.
I really dont care about this,the only reason I say those things is when some one thinks he is Aryan and that Jews are inferior when surly that isn't the case.




And? I don't see nothing special about this. Most of the other Nobel prizes (if not all) are won by "white" people, or Christians, or as you would call them - gentiles. I personally consider Americans Jews as equally "white" as anyone else.

yes but if Jews are 0.000000000001 of the total population and have 30% of the prizes then that means something.
again,I dont claim or think that Jews are superior, my comment was to mr.angry which said that what the Rabbi in the show said made him mad.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 06:42 PM
black africans are 70.
read this:
http://www.harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/JP_Rushton/Race.htm
European Jews also have about 115.
what does it prove?
that Jews with the exact same education system as whites get better results then whites, much better then the Asian average also.
I really dont care about this,the only reason I say those things is when some one thinks he is Aryan and that Jews are inferior when surly that isn't the case.






yes but if Jews are 0.000000000001 of the total population and have 30% of the prizes then that means something.
again,I dont claim or think that Jews are superior, my comment was to mr.angry which said that what the Rabbi in the show said made him mad.



I said it "pissed" me off, only because all of these acheivements would not have taken place had it not been for the resources and environment created by the collective.

///M power
11-21-2006, 06:55 PM
I said it "pissed" me off, only because all of these acheivements would not have taken place had it not been for the resources and environment created by the collective.

all he did is stated true facts.
he didn't say anything wrong.
by the way we debated on that issue on page 2. this is page 50.

///M power
11-21-2006, 06:57 PM
I said it "pissed" me off, only because all of these acheivements would not have taken place had it not been for the resources and environment created by the collective.

so how come the blacks are not anywhere close to that and they have the same environment?
if its all enlivenment then all of the races would be the same.

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 07:04 PM
so how come the blacks are not anywhere close to that and they have the same environment?
if its all enlivenment then all of the races would be the same.
Lack of a decent diet, decent environment, opportunity and apathy. Read this I think its balanced.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/BlackIQ.shtml

Might help with your research too.

///M power
11-21-2006, 07:10 PM
Lack of a decent diet, decent environment, opportunity and apathy. Read this I think its balanced.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/BlackIQ.shtml

Might help with your research too.

I'm talking about blacks who live in western countries,they are hugely fat and overweight so dont tell me its nutrition.
your argument is ok (maybe)if we are talking about niggers in Africa

Hachiko
11-21-2006, 07:13 PM
Lack of a decent diet, decent environment, opportunity and apathy. Read this I think its balanced.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/BlackIQ.shtml

Might help with your research too.
I think you should read this as well to further illustrate how intellectually inferior Blacks are. :)

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 07:14 PM
I think you should read this as well to further illustrate how intellectually inferior Blacks are. :)


This gives 2 senarios, one accepting that they are and one not and why.

Hachiko
11-21-2006, 07:15 PM
Lack of a decent diet, decent environment,
Tell me about it!!!!! :rolleyes:

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m224/hachiko323/fat20sow20eating20kfc.jpg

Starr
11-21-2006, 07:20 PM
Lack of a decent diet, decent environment, opportunity and apathy. Read this I think its balanced.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/BlackIQ.shtml

Might help with your research too.


This is only looking at blacks in america. Blacks have the same set of issues on a universal level. Anywhere they are you see the same behavioral patterns, lifestyles, violence, poverty,etc. repeating itself. This pattern, among about a million other things should tell you that these problems cannot all be environmental. The IQ gap in Africa, where blacks are more pure, is even greater than the 15 points talked about in the U.S.

In any event, be they bright or dull, I think we need to arrive at some conclusion--either educate the black population if it can be done, and move them into equality;

They have been given more than opportunity, they have been given preferences in a hopeless attempt to bring them up to the level of whites, and still this has failed miserably. According to test scores, even hispanics who many times have a language barrier(and who also whine about discrimination) do better than blacks. And Asians, in many instances out perform whites, even though, the usual argument is that non-whites are just so horribly discriminated against.

Edit: that big, fat, black fried chicken eating mamma is quite a disturbing site.:sick:

///M power
11-21-2006, 07:29 PM
Tell me about it!!!!! :rolleyes:

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m224/hachiko323/fat20sow20eating20kfc.jpg


LOL WITH CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!:D :D :D

MrAngry
11-21-2006, 07:30 PM
Tell me about it!!!!! :rolleyes:

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m224/hachiko323/fat20sow20eating20kfc.jpg


tut tut tut, pot and kettle hachiko

Hachiko
11-21-2006, 07:41 PM
tut tut tut, pot and kettle hachiko
Now, now, at least I brush my hair. :D

Dr. Gutberlet
11-21-2006, 08:00 PM
Her knee joint has become another orifice.

Zrinski
11-22-2006, 08:16 AM
that Jews with the exact same education system as whites get better results then whites, much better then the Asian average also.

Uhm....I am sorry but no. Jews in Europe and America are generally(I'd say about 95%) from richer families and have far better conditions for education than most of the others.

cryptoracist
11-22-2006, 09:04 AM
I haven't read this thread so forgive me if I'm off the subject a bit but I want to ask ya'll a question.

When a Black person in America (ie, wittle ol me) achieves (for example) 2 bachelors degrees and a fair amount of success in business entreprenuerial endeavors how do you explain that away if you are a white person earning next to nothing and has achieved next to nothing..

The Whites who spend the most time trying to establish some kind of scientific proof of Black inferiority are consistently the same ones who have achieved the least in the very same environment.

Now if a White person with 2 college degrees starts bickering with me about Blacks have inferior intellect that would make "some" sense. But the ones who are most likely to argue that are also those who are most likely to be a cashier at McDonalds. Why is that? Why aren't more successful Whites trying to prove someone else has inferior intellect? Why is it usually just the bottom feeders?

Can you say "wishful thinking"? LOL :p

I'm not saying this to be mean I swear it I'm just trying to help some of you face reality so you can go further in life...lol Living a lie with a internet cheering section won't help you pay a mortage. That's real. No one is your inferior so there's nothing left for you to do but work harder and get a better education. No one will be removing the competition from your world so you won't have to try as hard...hahaha! Life is all about trying harder. Get used to it. Here is a challenge for you lazy bums that rely on studies to feel better. I will post a pic of me with my sock in my mouth if one of you beats me on the following challenge. I challenge one of you to find me a White person on this forum who has surpassed (or even met) my educational achievements... that has ever posted about Blacks being intellectually inferior.

I await an answer.

And I'll put my feet up as I'm sure it'll be awhile...:dance2:

In summary:
If Black are intellectually inferior your intellect should've surpassed mine easily... cause hell, I'm Black. So prove it....

Vasily Zaitsev
11-22-2006, 09:09 AM
SNIP

All bell curves must have right and left sides.

Even little old blue-collar me understands that.

cryptoracist
11-22-2006, 09:23 AM
And I dont wanna hear nothing about "bell curves" and "exceptions" and other nonsense.

Everyone in my family has at least as much education as I do.

I'm the reject.... so obviously I'm at the bottom. ;)

So much for ur bellcurve, Sunshine :negro:

cryptoracist
11-22-2006, 09:26 AM
This "could" be in my mouth already...

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/54/200px-Carlb-sockpuppet-01.jpg

But it won't... :p

MrAngry
11-22-2006, 09:57 AM
And I dont wanna hear nothing about "bell curves" and "exceptions" and other nonsense.

Everyone in my family has at least as much education as I do.

I'm the reject.... so obviously I'm at the bottom. ;)

So much for ur bellcurve, Sunshine :negro:


Ooooo! you're really clever! yuk yuk yuk! :)

cryptoracist
11-22-2006, 10:05 AM
Ooooo! you're really clever! yuk yuk yuk! :)

No I'm a reject but apparently I'm also at the bottom, so where does that put the rest?

///M power
11-22-2006, 10:09 AM
Uhm....I am sorry but no. Jews in Europe and America are generally(I'd say about 95%) from richer families and have far better conditions for education than most of the others.

you see! you are crying like the blacks do about whites!!! this is hypocrisy!!!!!
when black get lower scores then whites you people say its genetic! but when Jews get higher then whites then its not genetic its environmental!:rofl: :rofl:
either you stick to the race story or not,you cannot choose what convenient to you,either you except it or dismiss it all.
anyway stop making excuses Jews have the same western education system and go to the same universities.

cryptoracist
11-22-2006, 10:15 AM
this is hypocrisy!!!!!
when black get lower scores then whites you people say its genetic! but when Jews get higher then whites then its not genetic its environmental!:rofl: :rofl:
either you stick to the race story or not,you cannot choose what convenient to you,either you except it or dismiss it all.
anyway stop making excuses Jews have the same western education system and go to the same universities.
Good point! :negro:

I see how the story keeps conveniently changing, too...

MrAngry
11-22-2006, 10:17 AM
when black get lower scores then whites you people say its genetic! but when Jews get higher then whites then its not genetic its environmental!:rofl: :rofl:
either you stick to the race story or not,you cannot choose what convenient to you,either you except it or dismiss it all.anyway stop making excuses Jews have the same western education system and go to the same universities.


Hooray for MP!

Although many Jewish kids in the UK go to specialist schools after junior school..

MrAngry
11-22-2006, 10:17 AM
No I'm a reject but apparently I'm also at the bottom, so where does that put the rest?


Lower that whale shit I imagine.

cryptoracist
11-22-2006, 10:18 AM
Lower that whale shit I imagine.
But not as brown... ;)

MrAngry
11-22-2006, 10:19 AM
But not as brown... ;)


Heaven forbid! :rofl:

Zrinski
11-22-2006, 11:25 AM
you see! you are crying like the blacks do about whites!!! this is hypocrisy!!!!!
when black get lower scores then whites you people say its genetic! but when Jews get higher then whites then its not genetic its environmental!:rofl: :rofl:
either you stick to the race story or not,you cannot choose what convenient to you,either you except it or dismiss it all.
anyway stop making excuses Jews have the same western education system and go to the same universities.

Ehm....no. I am stating the facts here. :rolleyes: :nono:

Also I never said anything even remotely similar to what you are implying. My opinion is that IQ is extremely related with the education and intellectual stimulation you get as you grow up. It's a blatant fact that richer families are in general far more successful in that field and it's a blatant fact that most American and European Jews belong to that upper class rich people. There are always exceptions to that...as is in everything else.

Personally I have nothing to "cry" about since my IQ is well above average, even average American and European Jewish IQ but I don't go around bragging about it and calling people "inferior" as I get nothing from it. High IQ in general has no effect on how successful you are in your life or in communication with other people. It may be indicative but it's not crucial...for example the man with the highest IQ in America is working as a fork-lift truck driver or something like that.... :D

And cryptoracist you should support me not Muscle Power, he is the one who support the racist thesis that IQ is dependent on race which is ridiculous.

cryptoracist
11-22-2006, 04:09 PM
Ehm....no. I am stating the facts here. :rolleyes: :nono:

Also I never said anything even remotely similar to what you are implying. My opinion is that IQ is extremely related with the education and intellectual stimulation you get as you grow up. It's a blatant fact that richer families are in general far more successful in that field and it's a blatant fact that most American and European Jews belong to that upper class rich people. There are always exceptions to that...as is in everything else.

Personally I have nothing to "cry" about since my IQ is well above average, even average American and European Jewish IQ but I don't go around bragging about it and calling people "inferior" as I get nothing from it. High IQ in general has no effect on how successful you are in your life or in communication with other people. It may be indicative but it's not crucial...for example the man with the highest IQ in America is working as a fork-lift truck driver or something like that.... :D

And cryptoracist you should support me not Muscle Power, he is the one who support the racist thesis that IQ is dependent on race which is ridiculous.
Very well, then. I support you. But mainly because you're not jewish. :negro:

But seriously, what do you think IQ is dependant on?

My vote is environment and genetics but not something as broad as race.

Like, it is ridiculous to try to say that because Einstein is the same race as you that this somehow relates to your intellect. That is what many of these racists are trying to do... stretch reality as far as they can.

But if Einstein were your actual father, uncle or grandfather... plus he studied with you every other weekend... then this would influence your intellect.

But these remote relationships to other intelligent people as indicative of an individual's intellect is ridiculous IMHO.

Winston
11-22-2006, 05:11 PM
he pissed you off?
what exactly did he say that wasn't true?
Jews have the highest IQ results in the world! 115,black have the lowest. 70!

about the noble prizes:
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physics:45, 26% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in chemistry:28,19% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in physiology and medicine:52,29% of the total awards
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in literature:12,12% of the total awards.
all time Jewish Nobel prizes in economics:21,28% of the total awards.

so I dont exactly see whats wrong with the facts he said.

If you acknowledge Jewish success I think you must also accept that Jews are disproportionately involved in movements which are destructive to white gentile homelands. In fact, much of the intellectual thinking which has poisoned western minds is of Jewish origin.

Zrinski
11-22-2006, 05:27 PM
But seriously, what do you think IQ is dependent on?

IMO mostly it has to do with the environment and also with, as I mentioned, intellectual stimulation and development during your childhood. Which in turn depends on the possibilities every person has and this means how rich/poor you are. Of course genetics and family heritage also has some part in it but this is largely minor part.

Stating that one race is superior to another is simple trash even when statistics suggest otherwise. It's just not so simple.

Vasily Zaitsev
11-22-2006, 10:46 PM
And I dont wanna hear nothing about "bell curves" and "exceptions" and other nonsense.

Everyone in my family has at least as much education as I do.

I'm the reject.... so obviously I'm at the bottom. ;)

So much for ur bellcurve, Sunshine :negro:

Or perhaps intelligence really is heritable...

cryptoracist
11-23-2006, 11:09 AM
Or perhaps intelligence really is heritable...
But I argue that this "inheritance" comes only from your immediate family... not your racial family.

I'm not a baller just because I'm the same race as Micheal Jordan for example, so the same applies to racialists that use other White peoples intellect as an indication of their own.

:negro:

Hlinkova Garda
11-23-2006, 05:21 PM
I dont wish the death of other groups/races,all I wish is for my country to stay clean of none Jews.

ALL NON JEWS? Who would do your manual labor ?
Who would be your Shabos-goy? where would you get your blood for passover ? who would fill your whore houses now filled with non-jewish woman and children ? etc.......etc.......etc.

Avalanche
02-24-2007, 09:15 PM
It's so common for people who do not read and understand genetics (and biology in general -- oh and who don't get statistics at ALL) to hold up an exception to a general trait or population or 'rule' and say "See?! This ONE example (either just me with my two degrees, or my whole family with all their education) proves the *standard* wrong!" (And then they often foolishly add "and don't tell me 'bout no Bell curves or nuthin'!")

How do you balance your (easily granted: educated and successful) family with the rest of your race? Even if yours is a HUGE family, let's say there are 25 of y'all in just your nuclear family.. lets say in addition to getting educated, your mom popped out 24 bright, civilized, well-behaved kids who went on to higher education. Let's say your sibs are at the very top of the... well, you don't want to consider a Bell curve, so let's call it a "set" (if you have two degrees, you must surely understand sets, supersets, and subsets in math, right?). So, we have your set (family) -- which is high-IQ and educated.

Put next to that the set of Shanequa's family of six bastards -- and since each one has a different daddy, she has LOTS of genetic material from her race to work with -- so, now you have your set of high-IQ, and her set of low IQ... Now, let's start gathering up all the "sets" that make up your race... There's Talequa's eight, and Jamon's two (he's unusual in that HE actually takes care of his bastards...), and Jaquetta's four and so on... Pick ANY ghetto in ANY American city, and see if you get very many "sets" of high-IQ black folks...

Now, if you join all those (family)sets into one BIG superset and average out the IQs -- that average IQ is in the toilet! Your and your family's high IQs aren't even a drop in a bucket! They're a drop in an Atlantic Ocean of low-IQ.

If you were actually WILLING to look at the Bell curve of IQ (and why aren't you? Too painful to see the truth?), you'd see that you and your family -- no matter how high-IQ and how large a group -- are the very, very top-end tail of that curve. Or in the language you prefer, since you flee from the Bell curve: your 'subset' (family) sorts out to the very top end of all the subsets -- but in no way balances the massive number of subsets with low IQ! The median IQ (that is, the IQ that divides the top half of sets from the bottom half) is WAY WAY below yours.

The average isn't much higher, because the few subsets/families of high-IQ blacks like yours aren't enough proportionally to skew the (oops... curve... let me rephrase that, since Bell curves scare you...) If you lay out the continuum of subsets ranked by IQ as a see-saw, then the fulcrum -- the balance point -- would still put your family, and families like yours, out at the very tippy-end of the see-saw and the fulcrum would be way way down around 80-90 IQ -- and nothing your high-IQ family could do would change that!

You (your family) is the exception to the vast worldwide majority of blacks, who are low- and very low-IQ, higely violent, unable to succeed in a technological world, having NO history (or pre-history) of their race achieving pretty much ANYthing technological, and unable, in most cases, to maintain any technology they're given -- and an exception means nothing, when considering the race as a whole.

You cannot draw conclusions about a population on the basis of some exceptional examples -- however much you wish you could. Your RACE fails as a success in the modern day. The fact that some few of you, the top tail of the Bell curve -- and I suggest you get educated about statistics and about Bell curves in particular -- are able to succeed in a white-designed, white-built, white-maintained, and white-improved society means only that you suffer from self-knowledge that you are EXCEPTIONS to the rule -- and the rule is that blacks are WAY inferior to whites -- as a subset of humanity, as a group in a Bell curve...

Av

General Ivan
02-24-2007, 10:00 PM
What's all this bullshit about IQ and whatnot? All that matters in this world are results. Whites and jews stand on top obviously, niggers just suck because they don't contribute anything useful in any way. That's all there is to it :rofl:

Jake Featherston
02-25-2007, 01:09 AM
I used to know a skinhead, Victor Podbreger, who was friends with the guy who threw that chair which bloodied Geraldo's nose (Geraldo likes to pretend his nose got broken that day, but I'm pretty sure it was only bloodied).

BTW, Geraldo Rivera's real, pre-affirmative action name is Jerry Rivers. I'm not even kidding.

General Ivan
02-25-2007, 10:47 AM
BTW, Geraldo Rivera's real, pre-affirmative action name is Jerry Rivers. I'm not even kidding.

Source?:rolleyes:

Jake Featherston
02-25-2007, 12:07 PM
Source?:rolleyes:

I didn't read it on the internet, and I didn't scribble down a bibliographical citation at the time I read it. He also went by Jerry Riviera for a while, before switching to Geraldo Rivera. This is according to reports from people he went to high school & college with. People do change their names from time to time, you know; its hardly some far-fetched assertion.

EDIT: According to [url=http://www.snopes.com/media/celebrity/geraldo.asp]Snopes.com, however, this is apparently an urban legend, although the rumour is apparently not without some pretty plausible basis, such as the fact his mother had the spelling of his last name on his birth certificate changed, he was known as "Gerald" before being hired as a reporter who'd specialize in Puerto Rican coverage, and here are his yearbook photos:

http://www.snopes.com/media/graphics/rivera.jpg