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Felix the Cat
11-23-2006, 04:59 AM
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1162378461109&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

French soldiers in Lebanon who feel threatened by aggressive Israeli overflights are permitted to shoot at IAF fighter jets, a high-ranking French military officer told The Jerusalem Post.

Wednesday, several days after meeting with an IDF general in Paris to discuss what he said was a "blatant violation of the cease-fire."

Last weekend, Maj.-Gen. Ido Nehushtan, head of the IDF Planning Directorate, traveled to Paris and met with military officials to explain why the IAF flies over Lebanon despite the UN-brokered cease-fire.

Nehushtan, new to his post and previously deputy commander of the air force, told his French counterparts that Israel was conducting the flights to collect intelligence on Hizbullah positions in southern Lebanon.

According to the French officer, Nehushtan apologized for an incident on October 31 when an IAF fighter carried out a mock bombing run over a French UNIFIL position in southern Lebanon, almost prompting troops to fire anti-aircraft missiles.

"There was a reality on the ground and it was important for us to reaffirm what we had seen and explain clearly what are the orders of the French soldiers to protect themselves," the French officer said.

The French told Nehushtan they would view further aggressive flyovers as a violation of UN Security Council Resolution 1701.

"No assurances were made to us that they [the IAF] would stop [the flights]," the French officer said. "The orders that the [French] soldiers have is that their weapons are for self-defense and if a commander will feel threatened, as it was about to happen on the 31st of October, he would have the right to use force."

Milos Strugar, spokesman for UNIFIL, supported the French position, saying that according to the UN resolution, UNIFIL had the right to use force in self-defense, even against Israeli aircraft.

"UNIFIL has the right to take all necessary action to protect UN personnel in self-defense," he said.
France's furor at the overflights was not divorced from French domestic political considerations, government officials in Jerusalem said Wednesday.

France is scheduled to hold the first round of presidential elections in April, and one of those reportedly considering tossing her hat into the ring is Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie.
According to these officials, taking a tough stance toward Israel on the issue - a position that grabs headlines in France - helps her raise her profile.

The officials said it didn't hurt Alliot-Marie politically to be seen as someone who needed to be "held back" from responding forcefully to the overflights.

France has said on a few occasions since the end of the war that it came close to firing at Israeli jets over Lebanon. In late October, Alliot-Marie told parliament that Israeli F-15's had dived close to French positions in southern Lebanon.

"Our troops barely avoided a catastrophe," Alliot-Marie told parliament. "Our troops find themselves in a position where they have to fire in legitimate self-defense."

Jimbo Gomez
11-23-2006, 07:54 AM
That's how you deal with provocations. Israel wanted a UN-controlled ceasefire so they should abide to its rules.

Ambrosio Spinola
11-23-2006, 09:24 AM
I wonder what would happen if one of those fighters would in fact get shot down.

Leshrac
12-12-2006, 02:56 PM
I wonder what would happen if one of those fighters would in fact get shot down.

From yhe soldier who issued the order to the manufacturer of the missile, everything would be branded antisemitic :rofl:

dannymu
12-21-2006, 05:10 PM
I wonder what would happen if one of those fighters would in fact get shot down.
I would say teh IDF would then blow teh French to bits...

Israel wanted a UN-controlled ceasefire so they should abide to its rules.
But the UN does not have air means to make sure weapons are not being smuggled and to track the movements of Hezbollah fighters so the IDF decided to enter Lebanese airspace. And remember this ceasefire is meaningless since HEzbollah are not being disarmed and they can attack Israel again if they want to.

Jimbo Gomez
12-21-2006, 05:42 PM
The IDF would chicken out of that confrontation Danny. Messing with the French military is not the same as messing with some rowdy terrorists.

dannymu
12-21-2006, 05:48 PM
The IDF would chicken out of that confrontation Danny. Messing with the French military is not the same as messing with some rowdy terrorists.
I know but the French have limited military capabilities in Lebanon so they wouldn't be able to do much against the ISF.

Jimbo Gomez
12-21-2006, 06:08 PM
They have a carrier in the Mediterranean. They'd manage.

dannymu
12-21-2006, 06:36 PM
They have a carrier in the Mediterranean. They'd manage.
Israel can destroy a carrier. Israel once bombed a US navy ship in the 1970s by mistake but fortunately for the Americans the ship didn't sink and was towed to some country (Italy I think) so Israel can still kick the French.

Ambrosio Spinola
12-21-2006, 06:38 PM
Yeah, I´m sure this scenario is sooo likely to happen.

Basil Fawlty
12-21-2006, 07:33 PM
I know but the French have limited military capabilities in Lebanon so they wouldn't be able to do much against the ISF.The French carrier should not be mistaken for a US supply ship. Also the 2nd REP (+) is on standby for UNIFIL should they ever require sudden reiniforcements.

dannymu
12-21-2006, 07:35 PM
The French carrier should not be mistaken for a US supply ship.
The Israelis did mistake the US Navy ship for an Egyptian or Syrian one.

Dances with Wolves
12-21-2006, 07:40 PM
The Israelis did mistake the US Navy ship for an Egyptian or Syrian one.

Educate yourself, kid. The attack on the USS Liberty was not a mistake. It was a deliberate attempt to sink an American vessel. Quit bleating the jew line and learn to think for yourself for once in your life.

Basil Fawlty
12-21-2006, 07:41 PM
The Israelis did mistake the US Navy ship for an Egyptian or Syrian one.You are confusing identity with capability.

Dances with Wolves
12-21-2006, 07:43 PM
I know but the French have limited military capabilities in Lebanon so they wouldn't be able to do much against the ISF.

This is how the jewish state works. They attack only people with "limited military capabilities." Makes ya proud to share a religion with those kind, doesn't it?

dannymu
12-21-2006, 07:49 PM
This is how the jewish state works. They attack only people with "limited military capabilities."
That's why the IDF successfully attacked Iraq and destroyed the Osirak reactor. :D

Expect teh IDF to do the same with Iran. You have never seen it but the IDF is the best military force in the region and one of the best in the world. They can have war with Iran just like they could with Syria and Egypt in 1973.

Makes ya proud to share a religion with those kind, doesn't it?
I bet you are moslem. So don't talk about Christianity. Look at what moslems have done before lecturing Jews and Christians.

Leshrac
01-05-2007, 09:51 PM
I know but the French have limited military capabilities in Lebanon so they wouldn't be able to do much against the ISF.

Ever wondered why you never hear about the french foreign legion ? ;)