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brigadier Biggles
11-26-2006, 09:59 PM
I find alot of these quite applicable to todays "world", especially the last one.

Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens.

If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world.

It's a job that's never started that takes the longest to finish.

Little by little, one travels far.

It's a dangerous business going out your front door.

All that is gold does not glitter; not all those that wander are lost.

Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends.

The world changes, and all that once was strong now proves unsure.

The board is set, the pieces are moving. We come to it at last...
The great battle of our time.

The world has changed.
I see it in the water.
I feel it in the Earth.
I smell it in the air.
Much that once was is lost,
For none now live who remember it.

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/J._R._R._Tolkien/
VAMPIR
11-27-2006, 08:40 AM
I find alot of these quite applicable to todays "world", especially the last one.



http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/J._R._R._Tolkien/
Can you find text-on-ring, and post it here? In black (Mordor) language, of course.
Arminius
11-27-2006, 05:34 PM
The board is set, the pieces are moving. We come to it at last...
The great battle of our time.

I like that one. It's very good, in fact. Reminds me of the Götterschicksal.
VAMPIR
11-27-2006, 05:50 PM
I like that one. It's very good, in fact. Reminds me of the Götterschicksal.
Gandalf the Gray.... :)
brigadier Biggles
11-27-2006, 07:55 PM
Can you find text-on-ring, and post it here? In black (Mordor) language, of course.

Sorry ive no idea what that is or where to get it you could try google :S.
Arrow Cross
11-28-2006, 06:57 PM
Why is this thread in the High Culture subforum?
Martin Kuklinski
11-28-2006, 07:01 PM
Many that live deserve death. And some die that deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then be not too eager to deal out death in the name of justice, fearing for your own safety. Even the wise cannot see all ends. --Gandalf

One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.Not so sure: the narrator or Sauron himself.

I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.Bilbo Baggins.
VAMPIR
11-30-2006, 02:32 PM
One Ring to rule them all,
One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all
and in the darkness bind them.
Yes. I need this, but wholle text and in Mordor language. I think that it starts ''Ash nazg krimpatul...'' or something like.
Avalanche
12-02-2006, 03:27 AM
Ash nazg durbatulūk, ash nazg gimbatul,
ash nazg thrakatulūk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.


;)

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007
12-03-2006, 01:20 AM
Why is this thread in the High Culture subforum?

Doesn't get more High Culture than Tolkien. :viking:
Nattering Nabob
12-31-2006, 05:30 PM
Why is this thread in the High Culture subforum?


Because classical literature is not considered classical in it's own time. I believe Shakespeare and Chaucer were considered lowbrow in their day...
Mike Jahn
04-27-2009, 05:38 AM
Gandalf the Gray.... :)

How was he different from Gandalf the White?
007
04-28-2009, 12:07 AM
Gandalf the Grey became Gandalf the White after his fall in the Mines of Moria battling the Balrog
curtalus
04-28-2009, 02:21 AM
Yes. I need this, but wholle text and in Mordor language. I think that it starts ''Ash nazg krimpatul...'' or something like.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/One_Ring_inscription.svg/500px-One_Ring_inscription.svg.png
Ash nazg durbatulūk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulūk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.
kevinwalsh
04-28-2009, 03:26 AM
"Who shot J.R.R.?"

"Frodo failed. Bush has the ring."
Thorvald Eriksson
07-06-2009, 06:34 AM
How was he different from Gandalf the White?

To beat the evil that was Sauron, an ancient evil from ages gone by he had to be as strong as Saruman the White, the highest of his order. Gandalf the Grey was far weaker than Gandalf the White, he was more of a simple pilgrim whilst the latter was a hardened wizard. Like 007 said, he fought the Balrog on the last pillar of the Mines of Moria and with his sword, Glamdring pierced its heart and smote him upon the mountainside. He gave up using a sword and pipeweed after he became Gandalf the White. You could almost say that The Grey was a student that was learning to be greater and the most important lesson is the one Saruman taught him about loyalty and the reason Illuvatar sent Wizards to Middle Earth.

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:jam:
Mike Jahn
07-24-2009, 02:05 AM
Are there more Tolkien quotes here?

http://www.tolkiensociety.org/tolkien/biography.html
Crowley
07-24-2009, 02:12 AM
Doesn't get more High Culture than Tolkien. :viking:

I reread LOTR this year. What a great book, and if it isn't high culture nothing is.
Thorvald Eriksson
07-24-2009, 02:33 AM
I reread LOTR this year. What a great book, and if it isn't high culture nothing is.

The great thing about Tolkien's writing is that a person doesn't have to be a devout Catholic (like him) to enjoy his stories. I thoroughly enjoyed the Silmarillion too.
Mike Jahn
07-24-2009, 02:42 AM
The great thing about Tolkien's writing is that a person doesn't have to be a devout Catholic (like him) to enjoy his stories. I thoroughly enjoyed the Silmarillion too.

Is it true that Tolkien was friends with fellow author C.S. Lewis but they had a fight and stopped talking to each other?
Crowley
07-24-2009, 02:52 AM
The great thing about Tolkien's writing is that a person doesn't have to be a devout Catholic (like him) to enjoy his stories. I thoroughly enjoyed the Silmarillion too.

Yeah, funny how there is no religion in the story at all. None of the characters have religion. I guess the age is meant to be pre-religious.

I never read the Silmarillion.
Thorvald Eriksson
07-24-2009, 02:53 AM
Is it true that Tolkien was friends with fellow author C.S. Lewis but they had a fight and stopped talking to each other?

Yes, I heard that too. Dunadan said he had read that the breaking point was after the Chronicles of Narnia was published that Tolkien utterly disdained; due to the ridiculous use of ancient and modern legends. J.R.R. had a living world where he created it all (though based on some biblical parables) and Lewis just took available legends and myths that were popular in his day. Moreover, Tolkien didn't like the blatant use of Aslan is Jesus as written in the Chronicles.
Thorvald Eriksson
07-24-2009, 02:57 AM
Yeah, funny how there is no religion in the story at all. None of the characters have religion. I guess the age is meant to be pre-religious.

I never read the Silmarillion.

The Silmarillion is highly religious with the origin of the world, descent of the first Dark Lord Morgoth, and the flooding of the world based on a Numenorian treachery. It tells the tales of the First Age of the world and the Second. A multitude of many races, Gods, and characters though strong are difficult to manage. It is odd that for a Catholic to write the world's origin in a sea of polytheism that is an odd paradox...
delete
07-24-2009, 09:40 PM
The Silmarillion is highly religious with the origin of the world, descent of the first Dark Lord Morgoth, and the flooding of the world based on a Numenorian treachery. It tells the tales of the First Age of the world and the Second. A multitude of many races, Gods, and characters though strong are difficult to manage. It is odd that for a Catholic to write the world's origin in a sea of polytheism that is an odd paradox...

How religious was he actually? I am sure he was an Asperger, since he among other traits, invented languages. These people are seldom religious, so he might have faked it in public, and converted in order to get his wife to marry him.

As for the name Gandalv, it is taken from a legendary king who ruled Viken (Vingulmark, Ranriket, from Oslo to Gothenburg), named Gandalv Alvgeirsson. (Litteraly: Spell-elf Elf-spear-son).
Crowley
07-24-2009, 11:55 PM
How religious was he actually? I am sure he was an Asperger, since he among other traits, invented languages. These people are seldom religious, so he might have faked it in public, and converted in order to get his wife to marry him.

As for the name Gandalv, it is taken from a legendary king who ruled Viken (Vingulmark, Ranriket, from Oslo to Gothenburg), named Gandalv Alvgeirsson. (Litteraly: Spell-elf Elf-spear-son).

I read a biography of Tolkien not too long ago and according to it he was sincerely devout.
Thorvald Eriksson
07-25-2009, 01:04 AM
These people are seldom religious, so he might have faked it in public, and converted in order to get his wife to marry him.

According to this BBC interview he tells he is a devout Roman Catholic. Also he compares the Dwarves to the Jews. I read somewhere else that this was to say that the Dwarves were greedy and did anything for money. I don't know if this is truly what he was trying to say, since it came from a Jewish related source.

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Crowley
07-25-2009, 01:13 AM
According to this BBC interview he tells he is a devout Roman Catholic. Also he compares the Dwarves to the Jews. I read somewhere else that this was to say that the Dwarves were greedy and did anything for money. I don't know if this is truly what he was trying to say, since it came from a Jewish related source.



Well, everything I've read about Tolkien characterizes him as being moderate on race issues. If the Jews found something to imply that Tolkien was anti semitic then they dug hard for it, which wouln't surprise me.
delete
07-25-2009, 10:30 AM
According to this BBC interview he tells he is a devout Roman Catholic. Also he compares the Dwarves to the Jews. I read somewhere else that this was to say that the Dwarves were greedy and did anything for money. I don't know if this is truly what he was trying to say, since it came from a Jewish related source.

I might be me, but Tolkien came around as somebody who doesn't really want to talk about religion in public in that interwiev.

As for the dwarves, they are part of all germanic mythology, so they naturally had to appear in the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, since what Tolkien did according to himself IIRC, was to create a mythology for England.
Thorvald Eriksson
07-28-2009, 04:14 AM
"All that is gold does not glitter; not all those that wander are lost." ---J. R. R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring, 1954
Mike
07-28-2009, 07:34 AM
Where is the horse and the rider?
Where is the horn that was blowing?
They have passed like rain on the mountains, like wind in the meadow.
The days have gone down in the West, behind the hills, into Shadow.

How did it come to this?


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Maponus
07-28-2009, 10:38 AM
If the Dwarves are Jews, then I don't think Tolkien was anti-Semitic. In the books the Dwarves are at worse at wee bit shallow, but nothing seriously offensive.
James DeGrizz
07-28-2009, 04:34 PM
To quote from Wikipedia (which quotes from an unsent letter to German publishers after they inquired whether he was an Aryan)

Letters, no. 29, to Stanley Unwin 25 July 1938. When German publishers enquired whether he was of Aryan origin, he declined to answer, instead stating, "I regret that I appear to have no ancestors of that gifted [Jewish] people."

Tolkien had nothing but contempt for Adolf Hitler, whom he accused of "Ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien