Himmler 1943 audio recording:"The Jewish people is being exterminated"

[Stick to the Facts]

Does anyone have an opinion about this recording of Himmler in a secret meeting with SS?

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

The MPEG has scrolling text in German and the English translation, word for word as spoken, so it is really easy to follow along if you don't know German.

[cerberus]

STTF. This "must" be another "Jew inspired fake" to "desmirch" the "hallowed memory" of the Reichsfuhrer SS , his officers and men who worked with such "honour and dignity" in "labour camps" such as Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen. :whip: :rolleyes: :hitler
What do you think lads , now is the time to rant and or deny , ignore.
The truth does sting a little.:whip:

Himmler admitted murder and defined theft as surrendering these "riches" to the State.

I recall that this has been described as "recycling" , let's just call it what it was Theft and let's just remeber what Himmler was describing , that page from history which can never be written"-Murder.

Time to call a spade a spade .

If anyone is intersted in seeing the men who served with "honour" and "dignity" in places like Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen - see the book "Commanders of Auschwitz - The SS Officers Who Ran The Largest Nazi Concentration Camp 1940 -1945" By Jeremy Dixon ( Schiffers) ISBN 07643 21757.
You would be surprised how many faces you can put names to :
SS-ObersturmfuhrerFranz Hossler the officer who speaks beside a flatcar loaded with dead bodies at Bergen - Belsen.
Hossler was a murderer - he knew what it was like to stand beside dead bodies and to walk amongest those soon to be dead- he was hanged by the British at Hamlien prison on 13th December 1945.
No "show trial" - he got what he deserved.

What about Dr. Fritz Klein , seen standing in front of a mass grave at Bergen-Belsen , he served " with dignity and honour" as an SS-Obersturmfuhrer at Birkenau -camp doctor for the Women's and Gypsy Camps - this man took part in the selection process.
What about SS-Hauptsturmfuhrer Josef Kramer , he looks well fed , his food supply seemed to have gotten through , the Allied bombers missed it somehow ! (come to that Hossler and Klein didn't look undernourished either.)
Kramer spent a career in the camp system - most of his time at Auschwitz.
He was hanged as well , he too got what he deserved.

These are the men Himmler is honouring in his speech - they were Murders then and they remain Murders today , just remember this when you deny it.

[Stick to the Facts]

Does anyone have an opinion about this recording of Himmler in a secret meeting with SS?

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

The MPEG has scrolling text in German and the English translation, word for word as spoken, so it is really easy to follow along if you don't know German.

What, there isn't a SINGLE holocaust denier/revisionist that wants to take a shot at this?

[Totenkopf]

If the speech is not a fake it was dump of Himmler to record it.

[cerberus]

He said every word of it.

[Stick to the Facts]

He said every word of it.

I don't see anyone refuting that, and it's been up for comment for how many hours now? Over 10.

[Kolchab]

Does anyone have an opinion about this recording of Himmler in a secret meeting with SS?
http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/
The THHP quotes Himmler in
“Holocaust-Denial, the Poznan speech, and our translation”
http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/ausrotten.shtml

»...we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.
The German word "umbringen" simply means "kill." There are no questions about this translation. Case closed. «

With other words, THHP agrees with Himmler that the Jews wanted to kill the Germans.

That would explain why the Nazis deported the Jews to hundreds of ghettos and work camps in the east. They could simply not tolerate a “fifth column” behind the front in the back of their fighting soldiers.

As THHP says: “Case closed.”
:)

Kolchab
‘Revisionist’ at Large

[koch curve]

wait what youre skipping over the key points in the conversation :confused:

German: Ich meine die "Judenevakuierung": die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes.

English: I am talking about the "Jewish evacuation": the extermination of the Jewish people.

German: ...ganz klar, steht in unserem Programm drin, Ausschaltung der Juden, Ausrottung, machen wir...

English: ...perfectly clear, it's part of our plans, we're eliminating the Jews, exterminating them...

[Vindex]

When jews mass murder and steal from gentiles itz gods will and defence. When gentiles strike back against the eternal hate crime of the jew itz murder and hate.

Let us be happy for aushwitz for evil died there.

[koch curve]

When jews mass murder and steal from gentiles itz gods will and defence. When gentiles strike back against the eternal hate crime of the jew itz murder and hate.

Let us be happy for aushwitz for evil died there.

wait jews mass murdered gentiles?

maybe im missing the fact train but isnt that a bunch of bullshit?

oh wait yeah trains on time, youre just full of shit

[Daniel Shays]

wait jews mass murdered gentiles? Yes. Examples are the Amalek and Shushan massacres.

[koch curve]

oh lord, the amaleks and shushans :rolleyes:


lets delve back thousands of years into tribal conflicts in israel and persia yeah thats a good idea hey how about coming up with a more recent non-biblical example

[Daniel Shays]

oh lord, the amaleks and shushans :rolleyes:


lets delve back thousands of years into tribal conflicts in israel and persia yeah thats a good idea hey how about coming up with a more recent non-biblical example The Palestinians and the Lebanese.

[koch curve]

The Palestinians and the Lebanese.

LOL is that really the best you can come up with?

[WFHermans]

All the forum jews are agreeing that the jews wanted to kill all Germans. Interesting.

[Daniel Shays]

LOL I don't appreciate the humor in things like the July collective punishment operation. Hamas captured an IDF soldier, so 1,200 Lebanese people were murdered by Israeli Jews.

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[koch curve]

I don't appreciate the humor in things like the July collective punishment operation. Hamas captured an IDF soldier, so 1,200 Lebanese people were murdered by Israeli Jews.

http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/beirut3.jpg
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/beirut5.jpg
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/beirut8.jpg
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/beirut11.jpg
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oh lord great are we going to start categorizing collateral damage in warfare as genocide?

also way to get your facts right, hizballah captured three idf soldiers and fired hundreds of katyusha rockets at israel

but anyway, hey great when you can come up with some actual evidence of jewish genocide against gentiles that didnt shoot rockets at them and kidnap their soldiers, please page me okay

[Stick to the Facts]

When jews mass murder and steal from gentiles itz gods will and defence. When gentiles strike back against the eternal hate crime of the jew itz murder and hate.

Let us be happy for aushwitz for evil died there.

Now THIS is the sort of thing I have no problem with.

As far as I'm concerned you're more than welcome to say it happened, and that you're glad at did. That is fact + subjective opinion and perfectly fine (although the subjective opinion might be disagreeable.)

(I also don't go along with the 'jews mass murder and steal from gentiles' bit)

But to insist it never happened at all, that is fraud + subjective opinion, and no one should tolerate that.

[Stick to the Facts]

All the forum jews are agreeing that the jews wanted to kill all Germans. Interesting.

LOL nooooo...............

What the "forum jews" are agreeing with is that Himmler specifically stated that the Nazis were justified in killing the jews since the jews intended to kill them.

To believe that the above statement was STATED by Himmler in no way requires one to belive the reasoning in the statement.

You do get this, right?

[Stick to the Facts]

I don't appreciate the humor in things like the July collective punishment operation. Hamas captured an IDF soldier, so 1,200 Lebanese people were murdered by Israeli Jews.

http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/beirut3.jpg
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/beirut5.jpg
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/beirut8.jpg
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/beirut11.jpg
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/rma5.jpg
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/marw3.jpg
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/teir6.jpg
http://www.uruknet.info/uruknet-images/zeb.jpg


This is the part of the thread where we play "so what if the holocaust happened hey look the jews are just as bad anyway"

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[WFHermans]

But to insist it never happened at all, that is fraud + subjective opinion, and no one should tolerate that.What will you do about it? Call the cops? Demand a ban?

[Globus]

What will you do about it? Call the cops? Demand a ban?

Hey Hermans, why do you have an outright lie about the Talmud in your sig?

Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

[Stick to the Facts]

What will you do about it? Call the cops? Demand a ban?

LOL settle down Beavis.

No, I'll just nail you for using bad logic - that alone should be sufficient deterrent for anyone with any pride in their skills in argumentation.

[Daniel Shays]

when you can come up with some actual evidence of jewish genocide against gentiles that didnt shoot rockets at them and kidnap their soldiers, please page me okay
Fax me an authorization of the Final Solution signed by Hitler.

btw:

Kids are kidnapped, adult civilians are abducted, and soldiers are captured.

[Stick to the Facts]

Hey Hermans, why do you have an outright lie about the Talmud in your sig?

Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

You know what they say:

"If you're argument's a loser, lie."

[Globus]

Fax me an authorization of the Final Solution signed by Hitler.


Fax me a signed authorization from Hilter ordering operation Barbarossa?

[koch curve]

Fax me an authorization of the Final Solution signed by Hitler.

btw:

Kids are kidnapped, adult civilians are abducted, and soldiers are captured.

oh im sorry, i thought i was asking you for evidence of jewish massacres of gentiles but all you have given me are two old biblical massacres and civilian deaths in a war :confused:

but yes excuse me for confusing the terminology when three soldiers were "captured" within their own borders during a time of peace, but okay have your point because you havent made any else so far

[WFHermans]

Ask the jews why they lie in their Talmud. I didn't write it.

About the Posen speech:

1. The complete speech isn't there, just a fragment. Jewish lie no.1.

2. To get the complete speech, you need to order it. Jewish scam to get money.

3. The speech was held in Posen, Germany. Not in Poznan, Poland. That would be as silly as saying that Stalin was born in the Soviet Republic of Georgia.

4. The decisive keywords are deliberately mistranslated. I know it is deliberate because almost all of the fragment is translated correctly.

5. Himmler is stating Germany would have the right to kill jews, because the jews wanted to kill the Germans. However, the jews are only losing all their influence and are deported.

[Daniel Shays]

Fax me a signed authorization from Hilter ordering operation Barbarossa? Too easy, asshole.

Operation Barbarossa
Russian Invasion Directive
Directive No. 21

The Führer and Supreme Commander
of the Armed Forces
Secret Führer Headquarters
18 December 1940
9 copies Directive No. 21 'Case Barbarossa'

The German Armed Forces must be prepared, even before the conclusion of the war against England, to crush Soviet Russia in a rapid campaign ("Operation Barbarossa").

The Army will have to employ all available formations to this end, with the reservation that occupied territories must be insured against surprise attacks.

The Luftwaffe will have to make available for this Eastern campaign supporting forces of such strength that the Army will be able to bring land operations to a speedy conclusion and that eastern Germany will be as little damaged as possible by enemy air attack. This build-up of a focal point in the East will be limited only by the need to protect from air attack the whole combat and arsenal area which we control, and to ensure that attacks on England, and especially upon her imports, are not allowed to lapse.

The main efforts of the Navy will continue to be directed against England even during the Eastern campaign.

In certain circumstances I shall issue orders for the deployment against Soviet Russia eight weeks before the operation is timed to begin.
Preparations which require more time than this will be put in hand now, in so far as this has not already been done, and will be concluded by 15th May 1941.

It is of decisive importance that our intention to attack should not be known.

The preparations of the High Commands will be made on the following basis:

I. General Intention

The bulk of the Russian Army stationed in western Russia will be destroyed by daring operations led by deeply penetrating armored spearheads. Russian forces still capable of giving battle will be prevented from withdrawing into the depths of Russia.

The enemy will then be energetically pursued and a line will be reached from which the Russian Air Force can no longer attack German territory. The final objective of the operation is to erect a barrier against Asiatic Russia on the general line Volga-Archangel.

The last surviving industrial area of Russia in the Urals can then, if necessary, be eliminated by the Luftwaffe.

In the course of these operations the Russian Baltic Fleet will quickly lose its bases and will then no longer be capable of action.

The effective operation of the Russian Air Force is to be prevented from the beginning of the attack by powerful blows.

II. Probable Allies and their Tasks

1. On the flanks of our operations we can count on the active support of Romania and Finland in the war against Soviet Russia.
The High Command of the Armed Forces will decide and lay down in due time the manner in which the forces of these two countries will be brought under German command.

2. It will be the task of Romania to support the attack of the German southern flank, at least at the outset, with its best troops; to hold down the enemy where German forces are not engaged; and to provide auxiliary services in the rear areas.

3. Finland will cover the advance of the Northern Group of German forces moving from Norway (detachments of (Group XXI) and will operate in conjunction with them. Finland will also be responsible for eliminating Hango.

4. It is possible that Swedish railways and roads may be available for the movement of the German Northern Group, by the beginning of the operation at the latest.

III. Conduct of Operations
A. Army (in accordance with plans submitted to me)!

In the theater of operations, which is divided by the Pripet Marshes into a Southern and a Northern sector, the main weight of attack will be delivered in the Northern area. Two Army Groups will be employed here.

The more southerly of these two Army Groups (in the center of the whole front) will have the task of advancing with powerful armored and motorized formations from the area about and north of Warsaw, and routing the enemy forces in White Russia. This will make it possible for strong mobile forces to advance northwards and, in conjunction with the Northern Army Group operating out of East Prussia in the general direction of Leningrad, to destroy the enemy forces operating in the Baltic area. Only after the fulfilment of this first essential task, which must include the occupation of Leningrad and Kronstadt, will the attack be continued with the intention of occupying Moscow, an important center of communications and of the armaments industry.

Only a surprisingly rapid collapse of Russian resistance could justify the simultaneous pursuit of both objectives.

The most important task of Group XXI, even during these eastern operations, remains the protection of Norway. Any forces available after carrying out this task will be employed in the North (Mountain Corps), at first to protect the Petsamo area and its iron ore mines and the Arctic highway, then to advance with Finnish forces against the Murmansk railway and thus prevent the passage of supplies to Murmansk by land.

The question whether an operation of this kind can be carried out with stronger German forces (two or three divisions) from the Rovaniemi area and south of it will depend on the willingness of Sweden to make its railways available for troop transport.

It will be the duty of the main body of the Finnish Army, in conjunction with the advance of the German North flank, to hold down the strongest possible Russian forces by an attack to the West, or on both sides of Lake Ladoga, and to occupy Hango.

The Army Group operating South of the Pripet Marshes will also seek, in a concentric operation with strong forces on either flank, to destroy all Russian forces west of the Dnieper in the Ukraine. The main attack will be carried out from the Lublin area in the general direction of Kiev, while forces in Romania will carry out a wide enclosing movement across the lower Pruth. It will be the task of the Romanian Army to hold down Russian forces in the intervening area.

When the battles north and south of the Pripet Marshes are ended the pursuit of the enemy will have the following aims:

In the South the early capture of the Donets Basin, important for war industry.

In the North a quick advance to Moscow. The capture of this city would represent a decisive political and economic success and would also bring about the capture of the most important railway junctions.

B. Luftwaffe

It will be the duty of the Luftwaffe to paralyze and eliminate the effectiveness of the Russian Air Force as far as possible. lt will also support the main operations of the Army, i.e. those of the central Army Group and of the vital flank of the Southern Army Group. Russian railways will either be destroyed or, in accordance with operational requirements, captured at their most important points (river crossings) by the bold employment of parachute and airborne troops.

In order that we may concentrate all our strength against the enemy Air Force and for the immediate support of land operations, the Russian armaments industry will not be attacked during the main operations. Such attacks will be made only after the conclusion of mobile warfare, and they will be concentrated first on the Urals area.

C. Navy

It will be the duty of the Navy during the attack on Soviet Russia to protect our own coasts and to prevent the breakout of enemy naval units from the Baltic. As the Russian Baltic fleet will, with the capture of Leningrad, lose its last base and will then be in a hopeless position, major naval action will be avoided until this occurs.

After the elimination of the Russian fleet the duty of the Navy will be to protect the entire maritime traffic in the Baltic and the transport of supplies by sea to the Northern flank (clearing of minefields!).

IV. All steps taken by Commanders-in-Chief on the basis of this directive must be phrased on the unambiguous assumption that they are precautionary measures undertaken in case Russia should alter its present attitude towards us. The number of officers employed on preliminary preparations will be kept as small as possible and further staffs will be designated as late as possible and only to the extent required for the duties of each individual. Otherwise there is a danger that premature knowledge of our preparations, whose execution cannot yet be timed with any certainty, might entail the gravest political and military disadvantages.

V. I await submission of the plans of Commanders-in-Chief on the basis of this directive.

The preparations made by all branches of the Armed Forces, together with timetables, are to be reported to me through the High Command of the Armed Forces.

(signed)
Adolf Hitler


Now show me a similar order for the Holocaust. LOL.

You Jews demand inordinate evidence when it involves your own misdeeds but not for others.

[Stick to the Facts]

Fax me an authorization of the Final Solution signed by Hitler.

btw:

Kids are kidnapped, adult civilians are abducted, and soldiers are captured.

There are communications from Himmler to Hitler giving updates of the number of "juden executiert". There are hand written notes of people's (i think himmler again) conversations with Hitler about the extermination of the Jews.

Show me the order Reagan signed to give the green light to Iran Contra.

Show me the order Rumsfeld signed to allow torture of detainees.

With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people. -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew. -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: 'by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.' -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

I'm also going to state the obvious, although apparently necessary, fact that even if hitler didn't even have ANY knowledge whatsoever, that in no way refutes that it happened. I'm not sure why anyone would suggest otherwise.

[Daniel Shays]

I was showing the absurdity of Koch Curve denying all Jewish/Israeli mass violence against gentiles. That should have been obvious.

[koch curve]

Ask the jews why they lie in their Talmud. I didn't write it.

About the Posen speech:

uhh yeah its been dealt with that your quote doesnt exist and is a lie

1. The complete speech isn't there, just a fragment. Jewish lie no.1.

yes, the fragment that deals with the topic at hand http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/himmler-poznan-large.mov

2. To get the complete speech, you need to order it. Jewish scam to get money.

:nopity:

3. The speech was held in Posen, Germany. Not in Poznan, Poland. That would be as silly as saying that Stalin was born in the Soviet Republic of Georgia.

thank you for the useless semantical argument, but it stands, geographically, they are the same city.

4. The decisive keywords are deliberately mistranslated. I know it is deliberate because almost all of the fragment is translated correctly.

continue with the lies its just an instinct for you, isnt it? :nopity:

5. Himmler is stating Germany would have the right to kill jews, because the jews wanted to kill the Germans. However, the jews are only losing all their influence and are deported.

himmler is emboldening his soldiers to kill the jews, he is telling them that despite whatever moral objections they may have to killing jews, they must do it for the security of germany.

[koch curve]

I was showing the absurdity of Koch Curve denying all Jewish/Israeli mass violence against gentiles. That should have been obvious.

well give me some evidence please, i mean its hard for me to not deny it when you come up with such a nonexistent argument

[Arrow Cross]

LOL is that really the best you can come up with?
Unlike you, we Gentiles don't make millions out of thousands.

How about:
-The massacre of 260 000 'goyim' in North Africa and Cyprus from 115-117?
-The murder of 90 000 Christians in Jerusalem after the Persian conquest in 614?
-The sacrifice of an unknown number of children by "blood rituals" through the Middle Ages (and beyond)?
-The wars, that broke out for the pure monetary interest of rich banking families like the Rotschilds, or later the Wall Street itself?

[Globus]

Too easy, asshole.

0nly if you're stupid!

This is a directive to prepare for a possible attack, almost 7 months before the attack.

Show us the attack order.

You Jews demand inordinate evidence

I'm not Jewish, nor am I stupid enough to believe that Hitler would put an order for genocide in writing, any more than most orders for the war were not given in writing.

[koch curve]

Unlike you, we Gentiles don't make millions out of thousands.

How about:
-The massacre of 260 000 'goyim' in North Africa and Cyprus from 115-117?

show me a source on that because it sounds pretty ridiculous
-The murder of 90 000 Christians in Jerusalem after the Persian conquest in 614?
uhh yeah more like the persians led by choroses jesus learn some history
-The sacrifice of an unknown number of children by "blood rituals" through the Middle Ages (and beyond)?

aka a bunch of made-up bullshit :nopity: please show me something real, there are no blood rituals in judaism

-The wars, that broke out for the pure monetary interest of rich banking families like the Rotschilds, or later the Wall Street itself?

oh ok so now were going to blame every war on the jews by some bullshit system of association sounds good

jesus CHRIST someone please give me some solid evidence of jews killing gentiles in a massacre of some sort and not just some bullshit attribution of WARS FOR THE ROTHSCHILDS to a jewish genocide good god

[koch curve]

Your leaders aren't stupid enough to put anything in writing regarding genocide.

aka you dont have any evidence, but still want to have your cake and eat it too


ok yeah i guess the "i dont have any evidence but i bet sometime they probably did it" claim works pretty well

[Stick to the Facts]

Ask the jews why they lie in their Talmud. I didn't write it.

About the Posen speech:

1. The complete speech isn't there, just a fragment. Jewish lie no.1.

If you want to hear the other three hours you can get the whole tape from the National Archives. They will mail it to you. No one 'lied' that it is only a segment.

So what would you need to hear in the rest of the tape to show that the part about the jews means something different? Give an example of what it would say that would change the meaning.

I defy you to suggest something, but I already know you will not.

2. To get the complete speech, you need to order it. Jewish scam to get money.

LOL you just pay to cover costs. Nice excuse.

3. The speech was held in Posen, Germany. Not in Poznan, Poland. That would be as silly as saying that Stalin was born in the Soviet Republic of Georgia.

They are the same place. Posen was annexed by Germany in 1939 and was part of germany only very briefly. I should also note that it is pretty weak if you can only quibble over details of where the recording was made.

4. The decisive keywords are deliberately mistranslated. I know it is deliberate because almost all of the fragment is translated correctly.

An outright lie. Point out the words that you think are deliberately mistranslated right here along with what you believe to be the correct translation.

5. Himmler is stating Germany would have the right to kill jews, because the jews wanted to kill the Germans. However, the jews are only losing all their influence and are deported.

Why don't you quote that from the recording.

[Globus]

Ask the jews why they lie in their Talmud. I didn't write it.

Neither did Jews. What you posted is a lie taken from some Jew hating source. You are responsible for the lie you tell.

About the Posen speech:

1. The complete speech isn't there, just a fragment. Jewish lie no.1.

Hermanns lie #1.

http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/sound-recordings.html

12. Himmler, Heinrich. "Speech to the SS Officers" ("Rede zu den SS Fuhrern"). Posen, Oct. 4, 1943. Approx. 190 min. Item 242-256, 242-259, 242-257, 242-251, 242-252, 242-249, 242-264, 242-263, 242-250, 242-266, 242-180. The speech has been published in IMT, Trial of the Major War Criminals (Nuernberg, 1947-49), vol. 29, p. 110-173.

2. To get the complete speech, you need to order it. Jewish scam to get money.

Hermanns lie #2. See above.

3. The speech was held in Posen, Germany. Not in Poznan, Poland. That would be as silly as saying that Stalin was born in the Soviet Republic of Georgia.

Posen was in Poland. The fact that Germany claimed it based on aggressive war is irrelevant. She was unable to hold it.

4. The decisive keywords are deliberately mistranslated. I know it is deliberate because almost all of the fragment is translated correctly.

LOL! Illogical. The key words are obvious to anyone who knows German.

5. Himmler is stating Germany would have the right to kill jews, because the jews wanted to kill the Germans. However, the jews are only losing all their influence and are deported.

Himmler in fact says we are killing Jews. Hermanns lie #3.

[koch curve]

he also says "there will be a day when you will see the pile of bodies number 50, 500, 1000" yeah sounds like "deportation" plan to me

[Stick to the Facts]

Unlike you, we Gentiles don't make millions out of thousands.

How about:
-The massacre of 260 000 'goyim' in North Africa and Cyprus from 115-117?
-The murder of 90 000 Christians in Jerusalem after the Persian conquest in 614?
-The sacrifice of an unknown number of children by "blood rituals" through the Middle Ages (and beyond)?
-The wars, that broke out for the pure monetary interest of rich banking families like the Rotschilds, or later the Wall Street itself?

While I respect you for not trying to come up with a BS argument regarding the Himmler recording, I ask that you please take this to another thread.

[Arrow Cross]

show me a source on that because it sounds pretty ridiculous
My source is Hungarian, but I can show it to you, if you happen to speak the language. ;)

uhh yeah more like the persians led by choroses jesus learn some history
Go ahead and call Antiochus Strategos an anti-Semite liar.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/strategos1.html

aka a bunch of made-up bullshit :nopity: please show me something real, there are no blood rituals in judaism
The Talmud inspired them to do so.
That's it koch, the typical Jewish behaviour. All those mass-murders, all those blood rituals were strictly denied through history. Surely, the accusations of two millenias were without a fundament, eh? Jews were always persecuted but for absolutely no reason - according to them.
Drop the saint act, please. Jews are no different in their lies, no matter which part of the world they live in.

[Arrow Cross]

While I respect you for not trying to come up with a BS argument regarding the Himmler recording, I ask that you please take this to another thread.
All right then, we shall continue elsewhere.

[WFHermans]

The speech isn't there, they give two addresses where you can order the speech.

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I don't get money like you do for being a jewish "holocaust survivor", so maybe you can order it and post it here.

I prefer the source text because the jews mistranslate words like "ausschalten" and "ausrotten" as "killing". Whenever killing is mentioned in the fragment, Himmler used the german word for it, for instance "umbringen, töten".

[WFHermans]

he also says "there will be a day when you will see the pile of bodies number 50, 500, 1000" yeah sounds like "deportation" plan to meAnother jewish mistranslation. Himmler states that those present have seen many dead bodies.

[Daniel Shays]

Jews were always persecuted but for absolutely no reason - according to them. Their persecution is the result of an anti-semitic conspiracy among goyim.

[Globus]

The speech isn't there, they give two addresses where you can order the speech.

So saying it wasn't available was a lie!

The source also shows where the speech was published. Know how to use a library?

I prefer the source text because the jews mistranslate words like "ausschalten" and "ausrotten" as "killing". Whenever killing is mentioned in the fragment, Himmler used the german word for it, for instance "umbringen,töten".


Both ausrotten and umbringen mean murder in this context. German deniers, it should be noted, are too embarrassed to make such ridiculous errors.

So when are you going to absolve yourself of the shame of posting lies by changing your sig?

[Globus]

Another jewish mistranslation. Himmler states that those present have seen many dead bodies.

It's quite clear what bodies he's talking about.

[koch curve]

My source is Hungarian, but I can show it to you, if you happen to speak the language. ;)

i dont, find one in english

Go ahead and call Antiochus Strategos an anti-Semite liar.
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/strategos1.html

yeah ive never heard of Antiochus Strategos, and after looking up his name i only find it in reference to this specific account, but he seems like a real enough (if not an entirely truthful and unbiased) person.

getting to the account, yeah neat the persians sacked jerusalem in a military action that was persian-run, manned, and motivated. this is not news. the parts referring to jews "buying christians to slaughter them like sheep" sounds extremely melodramatic and overblown (as roman accounts of persian battles are wont to be), and at worst it still attributes the vast majority of the killings to persians.

The Talmud inspired them to do so.
That's it koch, the typical Jewish behaviour. All those mass-murders, all those blood rituals were strictly denied through history. Surely, the accusations of two millenias were without a fundament, eh? Jews were always persecuted but for absolutely no reason - according to them.
Drop the saint act, please. Jews are no different in their lies, no matter which part of the world they live in.

sorry, if you had read any of the talmud (which you havent) you might understand that there are no mentions of any "blood rituals" and it is not a practice of jews to do so. this is bullshit through and through.

[koch curve]

Another jewish mistranslation. Himmler states that those present have seen many dead bodies.

lol are you serious?

[Stick to the Facts]

Another jewish mistranslation. Himmler states that those present have seen many dead bodies.

Ya - all in one place.

[WFHermans]

Himmler says: "Ich meine die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes."

This is in english: "I mean the jewish evacuation, the eradication of the jewish people."

The jews give a bogus translation that changes evacuation into extermination. They don't care that the more than 100 million people in this world who know german would easily see that the jews are lying.

[koch curve]

Himmler says: "Ich meine die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes."

This is in english: "I mean the jewish evacuation, the eradication of the jewish people."

The jews give a bogus translation that changes evacuation into extermination. They don't care that the more than 100 million people in this world who know german would easily see that the jews are lying.

uhhhhhh they translated the evacuation part as "evacuation"

ausrotten = murder

where is the dispute?

[Globus]

Himmler says: "Ich meine die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes."

This is in english: "I mean the jewish evacuation, the eradication of the jewish people."

No, it means "the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish race".

He later says:

It's one of those things it is easy to talk about-" The Jewish race is being exterminated", says one party member, "that's quite clear, it's in our program-elimination of the Jews, and we're doing it, exterminating them."

And later on he says:

We had the moral right, we had the duty to our people, to destroy this people which wanted to destroy us.

And finally:

We came to the question: what to with the women and children? I decided
to find a clear solution here as well. I did not consider myself
justified to exterminate the men--that is, kill them or allow them to be
killed--and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of
their children to grow up. The difficult resolve had to be taken to
make this race disappear from the earth

The jews give a bogus translation that changes evacuation into extermination.

Mindless nonsense. The translation wasn't done by Jews, and you'd think Germans would have raised an issue about this, especially German deniers, during the ensuing 6 decades. But even they don't want to make total fools of themselves.

Change that sig yet?

[Rusty Mason]

You guys are missing the bigger picture. Regardless of the translation, the fact remains that Jews were a fifth column in Germany, destroying it, eating away at it from within, like termites or a virus. The Germans rightfully were angry and wanted them out. They tried to get all of them to leave but many of the Jews wouldn't. Like cockroaches or rats, they insisted on staying where they didn't belong. So the Germans moved them, and disease and starvation (a wide-spread problem in all of Germany) killed many of them.

This eventually happens everywhere Jews go, it's a cycle. It's why there are so many stories of Jews being thrown out of so many countries and why Jews always see "anti-Semitism" forever "on the rise." It will happen again and again because Jews are so blinded by hatred of their hosts that they cannot see how they have overreached. Their constant greed, lying, and thieving eventually catch up with them.

The Germans are good people, they did what they had to do to save themselves. If the Jews hadn't worked with the Brits to bring Americans into WWII, Germany would have won their freedom from these blood-suckers.

[Globus]

You guys are missing the bigger picture. Regardless of the translation, the fact remains that Jews were a fifth column in Germany, destroying it, eating away at it from within, like termites or a virus. The Germans rightfully were angry and wanted them out.

Poppycock. Pure Nazi propaganda.

The other problem you have, of course, is the fact that German Jews were a tiny part of the Holocaust. The Nazis killed Jews from every nation in Europe, transporting many thousands of miles to death camps. The Holocaust is not about German Jews or wacko theories about Jewish perfidy in Germany.

[WFHermans]

Exactly, Rusty Mason. Himmler admits to kicking out the jews, stating that it is done because the jews want to kill Germans. "Evakuieren" means "evacuate", not "kill". "Ausrottung" means "eradication", not "killing".

All the possessions of the jews were to go to the state. But unfortunately some Germans stole money from the jews, even some SS men did, and this scandal has to remain a secret, so he states.

[Globus]

Exactly, Rusty Mason. Himmler admits to kicking out the jews, stating that it is done because the jews want to kill Germans. "Evakuieren" means "evacuate", not "kill". "Ausrotting" means "eradication", not "killing".

Ausrottung means kill, as does eradicate when talking about human beings. Himmler talks opening to 100 Generals about the extermination effort.

No amount of foolishness can change what even Germans admit these plain words mean.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Jewish people certainly aren't perfect, however, clearly the Germans were motivated more by ethnic nationalism then some sense of giving jews what they "deserve." It wasn't like Jews acted in a way which made them deserve a punishment as it was that Jews didn't have German blood, and Hitler wanted members of Greater Germany as his master race. He therefore made a strong push to de-assimilate jews.

[Stick to the Facts]

Himmler says: "Ich meine die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes."

This is in english: "I mean the jewish evacuation, the eradication of the jewish people."

The jews give a bogus translation that changes evacuation into extermination. They don't care that the more than 100 million people in this world who know german would easily see that the jews are lying.

So what did he mean when he referred to the "ausrottung" of the bacillus? How does one eradicate a bacillus? Do you round up the bacillus and deport them?

If he just wanted to round them up and deport them, why the need to explain that they were justified in killing them?

[Stick to the Facts]

Ausrottung means kill, as does eradicate when talking about human beings. Himmler talks opening to 100 Generals about the extermination effort.

No amount of foolishness can change what even Germans admit these plain words mean.

Actually, it is closer to "obliterate" or "utterly destroy" - to destroy so that it can never come back.

[Stick to the Facts]

Exactly, Rusty Mason. Himmler admits to kicking out the jews, stating that it is done because the jews want to kill Germans. "Evakuieren" means "evacuate", not "kill". "Ausrottung" means "eradication", not "killing".

All the possessions of the jews were to go to the state. But unfortunately some Germans stole money from the jews, even some SS men did, and this scandal has to remain a secret, so he states.

Let's wait and see if one of the native German speakers here supports your definition. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

[WFHermans]

There was opposition against the deportation of the jews, so Himmler had to explain that it was necessary. He did that by stating that the jews wanted to kill Germans so the Germans would have every right to kill the jews, but instead they were only deported and their possessions were taken.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Hitler clearly hated jews but it was more of an irrational hate over ancestory then it was opposition to Jewish radicalism. He is unique in this. Yes, Jews have been hated throughout history but not in Hitler's "style."

[Daniel Shays]

Let's wait and see if one of the native German speakers here supports your definition. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
After 60+ years of your Frankfurt School social programming, I wouldn't hold my breath either.

[Stick to the Facts]

There was opposition against the deportation of the jews, so Himmler had to explain that it was necessary. He did that by stating that the jews wanted to kill Germans so the Germans would have every right to kill the jews, but instead they were only deported and their possessions were taken.

the Germans would have every right to kill the jews, but instead they were only deported and their possessions were taken.

This, of course, being completely made up by you, since it appears no where in the text.

[Globus]

There was opposition against the deportation of the jews, so Himmler had to explain that it was necessary.

Himmler was talking in the past tense, about the murders already committed. There was no opposition to deportations, which preceded extermination.

He did that by stating that the jews wanted to kill Germans so the Germans would have every right to kill the jews, but instead they were only deported and their possessions were taken.

Not what he says at all. He says we killed them, men, women and children.

And it doesn't do your credibilty much good when you continue to post what you know to be a lie in your sig. It demonstrates you wish to hate Jews more than you wish to tell the truth.

[Rusty Mason]

Poppycock. Pure Nazi propaganda.

The other problem you have, of course, is the fact that German Jews were a tiny part of the Holocaust. The Nazis killed Jews from every nation in Europe, transporting many thousands of miles to death camps. The Holocaust is not about German Jews or wacko theories about Jewish perfidy in Germany.

You mean, "Holyhoax," the event that never happened. Oy! There's no business like Shoah business!

"Death camps," "wacko stories about Jewish perfidy." Talk about Jewish lying propaganda. Poor innocent Jews, they never do nothing wrong. The evil goyim hate them for no reason at all.

"Oy! How vee are poisecuted! Oy! How vee are sufferink!" What a broken record. Your lies don't work here, Juden Affe.

[Globus]

After 60+ years of your Frankfurt School social programming, I wouldn't hold my breath either.

Ah, like any good conspiracy theory, there is always a reason why your point of view has no evidence, and is opposed by all the evidence.

[Globus]

You mean, "Holyhoax," the event that never happened. Oy! There's no business like Shoah business!

Sorry, you're just ranting. Why don't you admit you know as much about the Holocaust as you do nuclear physics?

[Rusty Mason]

Like other Heb tall tales, expect to see the Holyhoax incorporated into your next Torah, including the supernatural tales from Anne Fake's diary.

[Rusty Mason]

Sorry, you're just ranting. Why don't you admit you know as much about the Holocaust as you do nuclear physics?

If the Holyhoax and Anne Fake's diary are true, real history, why do they need special "hate" laws to protect them? Because they're not real, they are made up stories, myths for the holy books, of course. If they were real, Jews wouldn't be working so hard in Washington, D.C., right now, to inflict severe penalties on any goyim stupid enough to question them in the future. You Jews are the real haters.

[Ixtab]

Himmler is the only Nazi I have any great respect for.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

If the Holyhoax and Anne Fake's diary are true, real history, why do they need special "hate" laws to protect them? Because they're not real, they are made up stories, myths for the holy books, of course. And Jews wouldn't be working so hard in Washington, D.C., right now, to inflict severe penalties on any goyim stupid enough to question them in the future. You Jews are the real haters.
These laws aren't needed, they are just an angry reaction against dissenters. Even in places like America where total free speech is given, revisionism hasn't prevailed.

[Globus]

Like other Heb tall tales,

You haven't shown anything to be a tall tale. You're merely chanting your catechism.

[Globus]

If the Holyhoax and Anne Fake's diary are true, real history, why do they need special "hate" laws to protect them?

God you all ask the same dumb questions!

The laws have nothing to do with the facts or protecting them. The laws are to protect society from extremism, whether you like it or not.

[Rusty Mason]

God you all ask the same dumb questions!
Sorry we goyim are not responding to your programming.

The laws have nothing to do with the facts or protecting them. The laws are to protect society from extremism, whether you like it or not.
Funny, we don't need laws to protect real historical events. I guess the history of the Chosen Ones is so special it needs special Stazi-like protection. "Oy! Did I mention how vee are sufferink?"

[Rusty Mason]

You haven't shown anything to be a tall tale.
The burden of proof is on you. You have to prove that it did happen. Problem is, all your proof is nonexistent. But don't bother. By now, most people are figuring out that Jews are the biggest liars on the planet. No one would believe you, no matter what "proof" you offered. And when the "holocaust deniers" get out of jail and get the Jewish lawyers off their backs, even more truth about Jewish lies will come to light. Then you guys are really going to be in trouble.

[guy]

I don't appreciate the humor in things like the July collective punishment operation. Hamas captured an IDF soldier, so 1,200 Lebanese people were murdered by Israeli Jews.

The Russians killed 100 times more in Chechnya. The Americans killed 1,000 times more in Vietnam (remember napalm?). You got the reason for the war in Lebanon wrong, BTW.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

The burden of proof is on you. You have to prove that it did happen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials

[Rusty Mason]

My fellow White man,

Ever wonder how Jews got to be in control of most of the international banks, the US money supply, got to be over a third of the billionaires, over half of Federal judgeships, control all of the major media, practically all of higher education, 10% of congress, the key positions in communist organizations, even though they are only a small percentage of the population?

Ever wonder why Henry Ford and Charles Lindburgh, very highly respected men in America and Europe were suddenly "evil" after they spoke out about the Jews? Why we are fighting Israel's wars for them in the Middle East? Why Jews are always getting run out of every town, city, state, and country they infest?

Read a few of these and see how Jews operate. See how much global power resides with one tribe, one tribe with a single mission: global domination.

This is only a tiny list of what's available. There is so much info available these days about Jewish perfidy, you'll could be reading forever, books from the most famous and well-respected people on the planet (Edward Gibbon, Shakespeare, Kings, Queens, Popes, famous inventors, famous writers). See the truth, it will set you free from the Jewish yoke.

Empire Builders (about the neo-cons), in the Christian Science Monitor:
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html?leftNavInclude

Stalin's Willing Executioners:
http://www.vdare.com/misc/060408_girin.htm
http://www.vdare.com/misc/051105_macdonald_stalin.htm

Jews discussing their historic role in open borders and third-world immigration:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/readarticle.asp?ID=13893&p=1
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13894
http://shamir.mediamonitors.net/july102002.html

My Awakening, by David Duke, with sample chapters:
http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=130

Understanding Jewish Influence, by Kevin MacDonald:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1593680171/ref=ord_cart_shr/002-9980728-7415242?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

Culture of Critique, by Kevin MacDonald:
http://www.amazon.com/Culture-Critique-Evolutionary-Twentieth-Century-Intellectual/dp/0759672229/sr=1-1/qid=1165258195/ref=sr_1_1/002-9980728-7415242?ie=UTF8&s=books

Jewish Supremacism, by David Duke:
http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Supremacism-My-Awakening-Question/dp/1892796058/sr=1-1/qid=1165258240/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-9980728-7415242?ie=UTF8&s=books

[Rusty Mason]

These laws aren't needed, they are just an angry reaction against dissenters. Even in places like America where total free speech is given, revisionism hasn't prevailed.
Total free speech? Ya, right! Just try discussing any of this in public or at work and see how fast you get fired or how fast your reputation as a "hater" will spread. You have a very strange idea of what constitutes free speech. Go ahead, worship your Jews as gods, but don't force it on me or mine.

The fact remains that the legislation is being pushed by Jewish groups and already exists in several Western countries. Jews are trying to stamp out free speech. They know that if they don't, their lies will be widely discussed in public and it will dawn on the goyim how they have been lied to. That is the real reason for these holocaust protection laws.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Nobody is worshiping jews here...why do you think mainstream society, and not just the jews, condemns you verbally while allowing you free speech in America. Why is it? Could it be because you are wrong?

[Rusty Mason]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Trials
Ja, forced confessions from enemy prisoners in a kangaroo court after the war are real reliable.

[Rusty Mason]

Nobody is worshiping jews here...why do you think mainstream society, and not just the jews, condemns you verbally while allowing you free speech in America. Why is it? Could it be because you are wrong?
Could it be that, due to Jewish domination of all major media and academia in the U.S., that the American people simply don't know? Why are all holocaust historians reviled as haters, yet they never get any airtime to defend themselves? Where do millions of people get the idea of what David Duke says, yet very few have actually read anything he has written or ever heard what he has to say? Who has shaped the masses' opinions? Jews and Jew-worshippers, that's who.

Tell you what, Jew-worshipper, you let people such as David Duke and Kevin MacDonald have as much airtime on national media as the Jews have for their holohoax propaganda, and we'll just see how long your holyhoax nonsense holds up.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

David Duke had air time on Scarborough Country...I didn't see it take off.

Anyone who challanges your retarded theories of conspiracy is not a jew-worshiper. Why do you resort to name-calling when you have lost an argument? Can you not see that it only makes me look more victorious?

[Globus]

Sorry we goyim are not responding to your programming.

You're not responding to the real world.

Funny, we don't need laws to protect real historical events.

There are no such thing as laws to protect historical event. What a silly thing to say.

[Globus]

The burden of proof is on you.

No, fool, the burden is on you to support your claim.

[Globus]

My fellow White man,

Ever wonder how Jews got to be in control of most of the international banks,

Kindly stop posting off topic nonsense to a forum about Historical revisionism and a thread about Himmler's Posen speech.

That you are a mindless antisemite you have already made quite clear.

[Globus]

Ja, forced confessions from enemy prisoners in a kangaroo court after the war are real reliable.

Present evidence for forced confessions and kangeroo trials.

What shall we conclude when you can't?

[Rusty Mason]

Kindly stop posting off topic nonsense to a forum about Historical revisionism and a thread about Himmler's Posen speech.
I was merely responding to other posts. Is that not allowed, now?
That you are a mindless antisemite you have already made quite clear.
"Anti-Semitism! Anti-Semitism! Citizen's arrest! Anti-Semitism!"

[Globus]

I was merely responding to other posts. Is that not allowed, now?

You know the general rules about off topic posting.

If you could do anything to actually discuss the history you deny, you'd do it by discussing the topics offered. Instead you make unsupported claims and spout antisemitica. I guess that says all we need to know about the content of Holocaust denial.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Explain to me how anyone cares about your antisemetism?

You are acting like a child with a persecution complex. No-one cares about you.

[Stick to the Facts]

In response to this:

Let's wait and see if one of the native German speakers here supports your definition. I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

you said:

After 60+ years of your Frankfurt School social programming, I wouldn't hold my breath either.

Ah, I get it. So the Jews went and changed the German language so that recordings like these would appear to support their claims.

Once again, your statement proves that the lengths to which deniers/revisionists will go to avoid having to accept the obvious truth knows no bounds.

[Stick to the Facts]

The burden of proof is on you. You have to prove that it did happen. Problem is, all your proof is nonexistent. But don't bother. By now, most people are figuring out that Jews are the biggest liars on the planet. No one would believe you, no matter what "proof" you offered. And when the "holocaust deniers" get out of jail and get the Jewish lawyers off their backs, even more truth about Jewish lies will come to light. Then you guys are really going to be in trouble.

Describe what kind of evidence you would need to see to believe the commonly accepted account of the Holocaust.

If the burden of proof that you establish is higher for this than it is for other things, please explain why.

Do you believe OJ did it?

Do you believe the US put men on the moon?

Do you believe Caesar's accounts of his campaigns in Europe?

[Stick to the Facts]

My fellow White man,

Ever wonder how Jews got to be in control of most of the international banks, the US money supply, got to be over a third of the billionaires, over half of Federal judgeships, control all of the major media, practically all of higher education, 10% of congress, the key positions in communist organizations, even though they are only a small percentage of the population?

Looky here - another denier/revisionist, when confronted with evidence of the Holocaust, rebuts by showing the Jews are evil.

So are you now saying "it doesn't matter that the Nazis murdered the Jews, they had it coming"?

If that is not what you're saying, then what's the relevance?

[Stick to the Facts]

Total free speech? Ya, right! Just try discussing any of this in public or at work and see how fast you get fired or how fast your reputation as a "hater" will spread. You have a very strange idea of what constitutes free speech. Go ahead, worship your Jews as gods, but don't force it on me or mine.

The fact remains that the legislation is being pushed by Jewish groups and already exists in several Western countries. Jews are trying to stamp out free speech. They know that if they don't, their lies will be widely discussed in public and it will dawn on the goyim how they have been lied to. That is the real reason for these holocaust protection laws.

Your employer won't fire you because he's compelled to by law. The first amendment has NOTHING TO DO with the workplace.

Also, many people make racist comments at work and don't get fired. It all depends on what you say, how much you harp/lecture about it, and who you say it to.

Your employer is also likely to fire you if you do these other things that aren't illegal (depending on the nature of the job of course):

use excessive foul language,

yell at people excessively, or at all (depending on the job and who you're yelling at),

talk about Jesus too much, particularly if it is in a way that is pushy or makes people uncomfortable,

act weird,

dress inappropriately, etc.

There is nothing special about racist comments. At all.

[Stick to the Facts]

Ja, forced confessions from enemy prisoners in a kangaroo court after the war are real reliable.

Which one of these guys looks like they've been tortured to you? Goering (front left in case you didn't know) never admitted guilt of anything.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/72-865.jpg

There are hundreds of other pics of the defendants at trial. Please explain how someone can be tortured into learning hours and hours of fake testimony, repeat the testimony without breaking down or forgetting their lines, sometimes refusing to admit to certain things, and then never once bring up torture, even on the gallows?

These proceedings were NOT conducted in secrecy, you know.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/photographs/72-874.jpg[/QUOTE]

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

These proceedings were NOT conducted in secrecy, you know.
And they weren't conducted by exclusively jews either.

[WFHermans]

Do you claim jews never tortured anyone?

[Stick to the Facts]

Could it be that, due to Jewish domination of all major media and academia in the U.S., that the American people simply don't know? Why are all holocaust historians reviled as haters, yet they never get any airtime to defend themselves? Where do millions of people get the idea of what David Duke says, yet very few have actually read anything he has written or ever heard what he has to say? Who has shaped the masses' opinions? Jews and Jew-worshippers, that's who.

Tell you what, Jew-worshipper, you let people such as David Duke and Kevin MacDonald have as much airtime on national media as the Jews have for their holohoax propaganda, and we'll just see how long your holyhoax nonsense holds up.

You guys have a forum. The internet is available. And even so, the largest of all WN/racist/neonazi websites, stormfront, doesn't even have 12500 active accounts - WORLDWIDE - that's barely more than half the capacity of some high school football stadiums.

And many of those 12500 active accounts belong to antis, and people with multiple accounts, or both (take me for example, 4 or 5 of those accounts are mine.)

Don't be surprised if the media doesn't cater to such a tiny minority.

[Stick to the Facts]

Could it be that, due to Jewish domination of all major media and academia in the U.S., that the American people simply don't know? Why are all holocaust historians reviled as haters, yet they never get any airtime to defend themselves? Where do millions of people get the idea of what David Duke says, yet very few have actually read anything he has written or ever heard what he has to say? Who has shaped the masses' opinions? Jews and Jew-worshippers, that's who.

Tell you what, Jew-worshipper, you let people such as David Duke and Kevin MacDonald have as much airtime on national media as the Jews have for their holohoax propaganda, and we'll just see how long your holyhoax nonsense holds up.

Things David Duke has written? Like these for example?

1) Wrote a book titled African Atto, written under the name Mohammed X. The book advises blacks on how to fight against their white oppressors. The book describes martial arts techniques and advises blacks to yell "hootoo" when confronting whites, in order to scare them, and to "rid the body of bad air."

2) Using the pseudonym Dorothy Vanderbilt, Duke published a self-help book for women, titled Finders-Keepers, in 1976. The book dispenses advice on sex and makeup.

You're right, I haven't read them. Feel free to give a review if you like.

[Stick to the Facts]

And they weren't conducted by exclusively jews either.

Exactly. The chief US prosecutor, US Supreme Court justice Robert H. Jackson (shown in my avatar) was no Jew.

[Stick to the Facts]

Do you claim jews never tortured anyone?

Absolutely not. And that is entirely irrelevant because we are addressing what happened to them at the hands of the Nazis, not what they might have done to deserve it, or whether they deserved it, or what they may have done before or since. If you want to discuss those things you are entirely welcome to, but please take it to another thread.

If you would like to say "fine the Nazis did it but the Jews had it coming", or that it doesn't matter, then please just say it.

[cerberus]

WFHAnother jewish mistranslation. Himmler states that those present have seen many dead bodies.
Now how come they managed to foul up on such an obvious detail ?:rofl:
evacuation, the eradication
I note that he said nothing bout " from our living space" , so what does eradication actually mean ?
I would have to say it menas what it means , no more Jews - alive.
the extermination of the Jewish race
Extermination would seem to underline that it was a pretty final end to the jews.
Extermination , sounds pretty much like death , dead , does it not ?
Now perhaps your translation of extermination is wrong , or perhaps when you use a fly spary you don't actually kill any flies , perhaps you " resettle" them , or "evacuate" them to another room in your house ?
Word play WFH -your stock in trade.
RustyYou guys are missing the bigger picture. Regardless of the translation, the fact remains that Jews were a fifth column in Germany, destroying it, eating away at it from within, like termites or a virus
Rusty , perhaps you are missing the point - Genocide
So the Germans moved them, and disease and starvation (a wide-spread problem in all of Germany) killed many of them.
Oh come Rusty , try a little harder to excuse Genocide.
Their constant greed, lying, and thieving eventually catch up with them.

Now that really is :deadhorse: I will have to call you "Shergar.":rofl:

The Germans are good people, they did what they had to do to save themselves. If the Jews hadn't worked with the Brits to bring Americans into WWII, Germany would have won their freedom from these blood-suckers.
I see we are back to the jews making Hilter occupy Prague , sign a Pact with Stalin , invade Poland , invade Russia and along with this they get the japanese to declare war on America , after they attack Pearl harbour.
And oh yes , they can do all of this but get a simple translation wrong.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :thanks:
You have attacked me and my family because we are White. WARNING: Now initiating defensive countermeasures.
If these are counter measures , they must have been sold to you by a jew.:rofl:
Exactly, Rusty Mason. Himmler admits to kicking out the jews, stating that it is done because the jews want to kill Germans. "Evakuieren" means "evacuate", not "kill". "Ausrottung" means "eradication", not "killing".
WFH - you have no idea what you mean , anyone who can take "this" from "that" is as daft as a brush.:deadhorse:
STTFHow does one eradicate a bacillus? Do you round up the bacillus and deport them?

Perhaps Himmler medical knowledge is as poor the translation skills of the resident Hitler Youth ?
Stick to the Facts - Great thread - so many guys falling over themselves to make fools of themselves - a great career in mine clearance lies ahead for these guys. :deadhorse: :rofl:
(Mine clearance Russian style ).

WFHThere was opposition against the deportation of the jews, so Himmler had to explain that it was necessary.
Who when , where and to whom ?

Rusty masonYou mean, "Holyhoax," the event that never happened. Oy! There's no business like Shoah business!

that is why the revisionist invent soundbites , so guys like you can quote them , helps you focus.
if this is all you have Rusty , you have nothing more to say.

You know Rusty its just as well you didn't like in Hilter's Germany - T4 would have accounted for you, then you would see if gas chambers existed.
Neo-GaltonianHimmler is the only Nazi I have any great respect for.
Strangely Heydrich is one of the few I can say had real courage, he was worth 20 Himmlers and had he not been killed would probably have replaced Himmler in due course.
GlobusGod you all ask the same dumb questions!
As I said before " the same old , same old".
Their standards are easily defined, they have none !
RustyFunny, we don't need laws to protect real historical events
For instance ??
Enough - there is only so much rubbish you can read before you have to empty the bin.

[WFHermans]

You may think it's irrelevant if jews torture people, after all those people are only cattle to you, but your fellow jew claimed that no one was tortured into confessing.

Here is a better translation for "ausrottung" in the Posen speech:


Hmmler says: "Ich meine die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes."

English: "I mean the jewish evacuation, the rooting out of the jewish people."

For the audience is was completely clear that Himmler indeed meant that the jews had to disappear from Germany (and not that then would be murdered, after all, why transport them out first?) All the evidence of those that were present in diaries, letters and other contemporary documents shows that.

[cerberus]

WFHFor the audience is was completely clear that Himmler indeed meant that the jews had to disappear from Germany (and not that then would be murdered, after all, why transport them out first?) All the evidence of those that were present in diaries, letters and other contemporary documents shows that.
It may have escaped your notice WFH - that old thron in your rational side known as T4.
This was murder , it took place in germany and later in Poland , it involved killing people with gas , amongest other methods .
You do agree on this , don't you ?

Now correct me if I am wrong , but the Churches really did kick up big style about it and it was called to a halt.
Bishop Gallen , you remember him don't you ?

Hitler decided that "he would settle with the Churches" after the war , you do remember this , don't you ?

You also ask why transport them , well WFH - all those factories needed to have labour - slave labour - jews - " being made to work".
No killing of large numbers in Germany - impossible to keep secret - remember T4.
Besides which - where was the largest jewish Population in Europe centred , POLAND !.
So WFH - does the reasn for "transportion" begin to seep through ??

So far you have made no effort to explain where the Jewish Population of Poland went to , so at this suitable moment in time I will remind you.
WHERE DID THEY GO WFH ?????:whip:
If your botom gets sore let us know and we will give you a break.:bbbat: :)

[koch curve]

arguing with wfhermans is impossible


ive seriously come to think that hes a mentally retarded child who has been given a computer by accident and accidentally found stormfront, then started repeating everything he read and has been doing this for years now

maybe its time we talk to him in pictures

[cerberus]

Kock Curvearguing with wfhermans is impossible


Agreeing with him is unthinkable ! :nuts: :nuts:

[koch curve]

hi wfhermans! :) how is your day going?
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just saying thanks for posting from everyone at the phora http://www.thephora.net/forum/dissect.jpg
we really love reading your posts, and find them very funny
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ive noticed you seem to be pretty angry at us jews
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but its ok, we appreciate how hard it must be to be understood
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but dont turn to hate
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even though youve gotten things wrong in the past
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just keep trying, someday you might be able to post intelligent things like us big people!
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maybe he will understand this

[Ravenheart]

he also says "there will be a day when you will see the pile of bodies number 50, 500, 1000" yeah sounds like "deportation" plan to me

Another jewish mistranslation. Himmler states that those present have seen many dead bodies.

Agreed. He is talking about corpses the people present have already seen. It is not entirely clear whether he is speaking of dead inmates in the camps, or of dead soldiers on the front though. Hermans is also correct that 'eradication' is a more literal translation of 'Ausrottung' than 'killing'. It seems like a detail to me, but he is right there. All in all, I find this recording pretty convincing evidence of at least the intention of high level National Socialists to mass murder Jews.

[cerberus]

I think Rusty Mason's " Counter Measures" have landed on WFH as a prime example of jew inspired "Friendly fire" , its unusual WFH for you not to reply so quickly.
As the "Mo" said to "Trevor" in east Enders a few years ago " What's the matter Trevor ( Read WFH) , cat got your tongue ?? "

No views on the fate of Polish Jews yet ?
You have already said they were not killed , so did they all actch a the flu or soemthing ?

Some conflict between yourself and Rust Mason , who says Jews were transported and they all got sick and died , did this happen to the Polish Jews , they all stayed put , got sick and died ?

Come on WFH , Kock Curve has promised to make me a Kappo for my loyal services to ZOG , or is it ZOP ? ( Zionist organised posts).:rofl:

[WFHermans]

What happened to the Polish jews is described in Sanning's book Die Auflösung des osteuropäischen Judentums (Eine bevölkerungsstatistische Untersuchung der weltweiten Verluste der Juden anhand alliierter und jüdischer Quellen).

English title: The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. I'm afraid your bookstore won't have it. I wonder why. :jew:

[Commander]

Who cares what Himmler may have said all those years ago, that's ancient history. We should be concerned with what Ehud Olmert, Netanyahu, & the rest of that band of terrorist are planning to do with the native Palestinians, & other "problem" Arabs / Persians.

[Stick to the Facts]

Agreed. He is talking about corpses the people present have already seen. It is not entirely clear whether he is speaking of dead inmates in the camps, or of dead soldiers on the front though. Hermans is also correct that 'eradication' is a more literal translation of 'Ausrottung' than 'killing'. It seems like a detail to me, but he is right there. All in all, I find this recording pretty convincing evidence of at least the intention of high level National Socialists to mass murder Jews.

Why would he bring up the fact that the SS present have seen hundreds/thousands of bodies in a portion of the talk in which he was talking about the "ausrottung" of the Jews?

WHY would he make such a big deal about the secrecy of what he was talking about if the German people already knew of the plan to deport the Jews? That makes NO sense.

There are German posters here - but none of them have come forth to back you up on your wholly incorrect use of the the word "ausrottung."

He uses the exact same word to describe purging the body of a bacillus. How does one rid a body of a bacillus? By gathering them together and drawing them out with a syringe and letting them free?

[Stick to the Facts]

Who cares what Himmler may have said all those years ago, that's ancient history. We should be concerned with what Ehud Olmert, Netanyahu, & the rest of that band of terrorist are planning to do with the native Palestinians, & other "problem" Arabs / Persians.

This is an example of the "who cares if the Nazis really did it, that's not important now."

Are you saying "fine, I admit it happened, now let's talk about something important"?

Here's the big question - why is it that, in threads that antis start that present damning evidence, the WN/racist types say we shouldn't have any more holocaust threads and that the subject isn't important. And yet those same WN/racists continue to start their own threads/respond in other threads?

[Stick to the Facts]

What happened to the Polish jews is described in Sanning's book Die Auflösung des osteuropäischen Judentums (Eine bevölkerungsstatistische Untersuchung der weltweiten Verluste der Juden anhand alliierter und jüdischer Quellen).

English title: The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. I'm afraid your bookstore won't have it. I wonder why. :jew:

I'm afraid the Zionist thought police haven't gotten to this title yet - it's available on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Dissolution-Eastern-European-Walter-Sanning/dp/0939484110

[Globus]

Do you claim jews never tortured anyone?

Stupid question. Do you claim any group hasn't? Now you can see why.

Still posting that lie in your sig, huh!

Yeah, you're a person to be trusted when he says things about Jews!!

[Globus]

Hermans is also correct that 'eradication' is a more literal translation of 'Ausrottung' than 'killing'.

As they say, a distinction without a difference.

But in actual fact ausrottung means kill when used with a direct object which is a living thing. Hermanns is not correct.

[Stick to the Facts]

You may think it's irrelevant if jews torture people, after all those people are only cattle to you, but your fellow jew claimed that no one was tortured into confessing.

Here is a better translation for "ausrottung" in the Posen speech:


Hmmler says: "Ich meine die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes."

English: "I mean the jewish evacuation, the rooting out of the jewish people."

For the audience is was completely clear that Himmler indeed meant that the jews had to disappear from Germany (and not that then would be murdered, after all, why transport them out first?) All the evidence of those that were present in diaries, letters and other contemporary documents shows that.

What did he mean when he referred to the "ausrottung" of a bacillus, saying the Jews were a bacillus in the German body? Did he mean "rooting out the bacillus?" How does one "root out" a bacillus other than by killing the bacillus?

And if he was just talking about expelling them by deporting them, why make such a big deal about secrecy? Everyone already knew about the bogus plan to deport the Jews. No need to keep that secret, was there?

[Globus]

Here is a better translation for "ausrottung" in the Posen speech:


Hmmler says: "Ich meine die Judenevakuierung, die Ausrottung des jüdischen Volkes."

English: "I mean the jewish evacuation, the rooting out of the jewish people."

No, there is no such meaning in German. The meaning in German is kill, when referring to human beings.

For the audience is was completely clear that Himmler indeed meant that the jews had to disappear from Germany

No, it was clear he was talking about killing, as his plain words indicated.

[Globus]

What happened to the Polish jews is described in Sanning's book Die Auflösung des osteuropäischen Judentums (Eine bevölkerungsstatistische Untersuchung der weltweiten Verluste der Juden anhand alliierter und jüdischer Quellen).

English title: The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. I'm afraid your bookstore won't have it. I wonder why. :jew:

For anyone interested in an examination of this denier's lies:

http://www.mossadist.by.ru/HD_p1_ch1.htm

[Globus]

Who cares what Himmler may have said all those years ago, that's ancient history. We should be concerned with what Ehud Olmert, Netanyahu, & the rest of that band of terrorist are planning to do with the native Palestinians, & other "problem" Arabs / Persians.

What does that comment have to do with this thread?

[Commander]

This is an example of the "who cares if the Nazis really did it, that's not important now."

Are you saying "fine, I admit it happened, now let's talk about something important"?

Here's the big question - why is it that, in threads that antis start that present damning evidence, the WN/racist types say we shouldn't have any more holocaust threads and that the subject isn't important. And yet those same WN/racists continue to start their own threads/respond in other threads?

Hey, make all the hollowhoax threads you want. I am just a regular member here, I don't pay for the bandwidth, I don't make the decisions.

I am pretty much "talked out" as far as the subject of Jewish wartime deaths is concerned. I admit there were Jews killed during the years 1939-1945. Personaly, I don't care, I am not a Jew, & I don't very much like them either. If there was a "thinning out of the herd" of those Satanic people, what do you want me to do, lie, & say I care, I don't.

All this talk does is promote white guilt, guilt which no white person should have. Churchill, & his Zionist masters, they are to blame.


* oh yea, "the WN/racist types", who says I am a racist? I don't think I am at all, in fact, quite the opposite. I like to expose the Jew's lies, all their meddling + plotting, and the cost to all the other races. Palestinians being victims #1 of these mass murdering Zionist Jews.

[Stick to the Facts]

Hey, make all the hollowhoax threads you want. I am just a regular member here, I don't pay for the bandwidth, I don't make the decisions.

I am pretty much "talked out" as far as the subject of Jewish wartime deaths is concerned. I admit there were Jews killed during the years 1939-1945. Personaly, I don't care, I am not a Jew, & I don't very much like them either. If there was a "thinning out of the herd" of those Satanic people, what do you want me to do, lie, & say I care, I don't.

All this talk does is promote white guilt, guilt which no white person should have. Churchill, & his Zionist masters, they are to blame.

Now instead of denying it happened, you're switching to the "let's drop the subject because all it does is make white people feel guilty for something the Jews we to blame for in the first place.

If WN/racist types are sick of hearing whining complaints about the Holocaust, I see absolutely no logic whatsoever in stirring the pot by outspokenly denying that it happened. More denying is only going to lead to more whining and more in-your-face proof.

As for being "talked out" on the subject, pardon me for calling Bull----. You have posted in three seperate holocaust threads in the last 24 hours, not to mention other jew-oriented threads.

I think you're just tired of being painted into a corner.

[Commander]

reply to > STTF,


I have been busy setting up a recent install of FreeBSD. I have not been posting much on any board in the last couple of days. If you have ever compiled software, you know what I mean.

Do I post in threads which have a certain "Jewish theme" to them, of course. The Jews & their goyim captive nations [U.S.A., Canada, U.K. etc] are on the attack on all fronts, how can one ignore such a major part of reality?

[Keystone]

I think you're just tired of being painted into a corner.
I'm not a big fan of holocaust arguments, but this thread is an exception. Presented with audio proof of the Nazis' planned, deliberate attempt at exterminating a group of people and the pathetic attempt by some here trying to parse it into self defense is really an interesting phenomenon.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

It's not whether you are a fan of it. That shouldn't be relevant. Whether it happened is a strictly historical question and to say no is to go against a lot of evidence.

I maybe believe it was exploited and misused in some instances but I don't think a reasonable person would continue to question that jews were murdered in millions by nazis after examining the issue.

[Keystone]

It's not whether you are a fan of it. That shouldn't be relevant. Whether it happened is a strictly historical question and to say no is to go against a lot of evidence.
You misunderstand me. What I meant by not being a "fan" is being interested in debating about it. The subject isn't really in my thoughts that often.

I've always held the conviction that millions of Jews were purposefully killled or caused to die by the Nazis by whatever means. The denial of Himmler's references to exterminating Europe's Jews is very perplexing to me, especially when it's on tape, for everyone to hear.

If that isn't damning evidence, I don't know what is.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

The denial of Himmler's references to exterminating Europe's Jews is very perplexing to me, especially when it's on tape, for everyone to hear.
The reason people deny the holocaust is that they want to blame it on a jewish conspiracy. It is clear that no unbiased person without that motive is reaching those historical conclusions.

[Keystone]

The reason people deny the holocaust is that they want to blame it on a jewish conspiracy. It is clear that no unbiased person without that motive is reaching those historical conclusions.
This is true, but reading the revisionists' response to this shows that they aren't out for the truth; they just hate Jews. Their argument is based on that, regardless of facts. It's an unbalanced view of things and shouldn't be taken seriously. It should be opposed, as many have done here on the forum.

[Stick to the Facts]

The reason people deny the holocaust is that they want to blame it on a jewish conspiracy. It is clear that no unbiased person without that motive is reaching those historical conclusions.

I think people want to deny it because they are racist or WN or whatever, and for some reason feel obligated to buy the whole package.

Notice how often they say "you're saying the Holocaust happened, you must be a Jew lover." If course one does not need to be a "jew lover" to acknowledge the holocaust, and indeed many outright anti-semites have the good sense to acknowledge it happened.

It also seems that people feel that if they go against the mainstream WN/racist prepackaged agenda that they are somehow conceding something to non racists, or that it means their dedication to the cause isn't as great.

I've had a lot of people say "there isn't enough evidence." I often make this response to that, and not ONCE has anyone ever answered it:

1) Describe what kind of evidence you would need to see that would convince you that the Holocaust happened as the experts generally believe it

2) If you set the standard for accepting evidence of the holocaust higher than for other things, why?

[Keystone]

I think the term "Holocaust" sets some folks' teeth on edge, because it somehow sets apart the rest of the people who died in WWII from the Jews' suffering and is indeed played up more than any other group., which is understandable. Millions of non-Jews died in the bloodbath.

[Stick to the Facts]

I think the term "Holocaust" sets some folks' teeth on edge, because it somehow sets apart the rest of the people who died in WWII from the Jews' suffering and is indeed played up more than any other group., which is understandable. Millions of non-Jews died in the bloodbath.

That's definitely true, no question. But this argument makes no sense to me:

1) The Nazis killed several million jews but they also killed several million non jews

2) the jews only focus on the number of jews that got killed

3) that is annoying, and we don't like being annoyed

4) if the holocaust didn't happen, they won't have anything to be annoying about

5) therefore let's persuade everyone the holocaust didn't happen

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I think the term "Holocaust" sets some folks' teeth on edge, because it somehow sets apart the rest of the people who died in WWII from the Jews' suffering and is indeed played up more than any other group., which is understandable. Millions of non-Jews died in the bloodbath.
I use it because its the main term accepted by contemporary society. Call it what you want. I'm not one to think that only jews suffered or to point out other sufferings is an attack on jews. But most jews don't use the holocaust as a tool for personal gain, it is only the most extreme.

[Kolchab]

I think people want to deny it [the Holocaust] because they are racist or WN or whatever, and for some reason feel obligated to buy the whole package.
I rather get the impression that it is the other way around, i.e. that people who question certain aspects of the Jewish Holocaust are called by the believers racists, neo-Nazis etc.

Kolchab
‘Revisionist’ at Large

[cerberus]

WFHEnglish title: The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry. I'm afraid your bookstore won't have it. I wonder why.
I could always suggest that they get it for their fictional section.:)
In other words WFH it is more :deadhorse:
As for being "talked out" on the subject, pardon me for calling Bull----. You have posted in three seperate holocaust threads in the last 24 hours, not to mention other jew-oriented threads.

Consider WFH's own little antisemetic playground ?
How many post and to what end ?

No only did Himmler say it , Goebbels and most certainly Hans Frank said it in very explicit terms.

[WFHermans]

The arguments of the forum jews are all based on attacking the persons who disagree with them.

Not one who sticks to the facts.

Post a full copy of the Posen speech and a literal translation. But you won't do that, jews, because you know you are wrong.

[cerberus]

WFhThe arguments of the forum jews are all based on attacking the persons who disagree with them.

Utter tripe WFH , which was why I posted pubically the neg rep. points recieved.
Not at all WFH - so far you have this play pen created for you called "Jewology" - this is your padded cell in which you can attack "Jews" - perhaps you are a little slow to realise this ? " Persons whom you disagree with , but to be honest WFH being Jewish is enough for you to attack them - and in comon with the "A.I." it is a mindset which conflicts with reality , speaking of which I refer you back to your on line play pen - which represents your own reality - take stock of it.
As fars the Himmler Posen speech , you have said nothing new about the revisionist viewpoint of it , which hinges on it being wrongly translated , which is a bogus excuse at best.

I have mentioned to you that the Himmler speech is not unique - Hans Frank made a similar speech in which he outlined his knowledge that the Jews would be exterminated , although he did not have knowledge of the method.
Goebbels also said similar in his diary - these men were close to the Fuhrer and to policy making - they knew what was going on and where the road was taking them.

I have again mentioned T4 which was part and parcel of the final solution , the bottom line in it being to eliminate those who could not "work" and who could not "contribute" - it was even done in such a way as to produce a projected saving sum and in Poland it freed up accomadation for troops.
13f14 again mentioned before WFH - you do know what it was I am sure - a can of worms the more you poke the more you find, rotten to the core.

So far WFH your response has been lukewarm and weak - you really don't have anything to refute it.
Above all you illustrate an inability to defend anything in your attempt to deny everything.

[Globus]

The arguments of the forum jews are all based on attacking the persons who disagree with them.

Nonsense. Your arguments have been shown to be without merit. Your claimed facts have been shown to be incorrect. And your excuses for evidence you don't like empty.

Post a full copy of the Posen speech and a literal translation.

A silly diversion. The speech is over 3 hours long and only a segment of it deals with Nazi policy toward Jews. You've been given a reference to consult it if you wish. Historians and others for over 60 years have examined it. There is simply no question as to what it says and signifies.

And you are still sacrificing any credibility you might have by continuing to post a lie about the Talmud in your sig.

[calvin]

"Ausrottung" means uprooting not extermination.

[Watzy]

"Ausrottung" means uprooting not extermination.

According to Google's translator Ausrottung=Extermination.

http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/Watzy_2/google-1.jpg

EDIT:

Same thing with these translators:

http://www.worldlingo.com/en/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html
http://www.freetranslation.com/
http://www.appliedlanguage.com/free_translation.shtml

And according to these two Ausrottung=Eradication:

http://translation2.paralink.com/
http://www.foreignword.com/Tools/transnow.htm

[Kolchab]

German Kanzler Helmut Kohl on TV about election results of the year 1999:

»You have to look only at the Ruhrgebiet, the voters had all the Socialdemocrats "ausgerottet".«

(12/21/2001, 23:15, n-tv Sandra Maischberger)

Which in hoaxer speak would then translate that in 1999 all Social Democrats were gassed.

Kolchab
'Revisionist' at Large

[Stick to the Facts]

I rather get the impression that it is the other way around, i.e. that people who question certain aspects of the Jewish Holocaust are called by the believers racists, neo-Nazis etc.

Kolchab
‘Revisionist’ at Large

I dunno about that.

Here's the situation - you take a person who isn't a racist - doesn't hate Jews - doesn't care one way or another about whether someone's a jew or not.

Basically, a blank slate.

Now you put the evidence of the Holocaust in front of them. You've got all the experts. You've got the academics. You've got the photos, the audio recordings, the testimony of actual Nazis with NO signs of torture, who never claimed torture even standing with the noose around their necks, the eye witness testimony, the physical evidence, the US military intelligence before the war ended, etc. Someone testified about shrunken heads? What do you know, there's a shrunken head.

Now you stack that against the other evidence on the other side - arguments that will try to attack the weakest bits of evidence, perhaps where a witness' testimony seems out of whack with others (even though ANY collection of eye witnesses will always have an outlier or two.)

There is no explanation for how all that evidence could have been manufactured. No trace of evidence of a conspiracy.

Given all that, why on earth would a reasonable person choose the latter?

[Commander]

That recording is phony, Jews are liars, case closed ! :jew:

[WFHermans]

German Kanzler Helmut Kohl on TV about election results of the year 1999:

»You have to look only at the Ruhrgebiet, the voters had all the Socialdemocrats "ausgerottet".«

(12/21/2001, 23:15, n-tv Sandra Maischberger)

Which in hoaxer speak would then translate that in 1999 all Social Democrats were gassed.

Kolchab
'Revisionist' at Large
Good example of the use of the word "ausrotten" by a native speaker of German. (The forum jews will act as if nothing happened and won't respond to this post).

[cerberus]

CommanderThat recording is phony, Jews are liars, case closed !
Even when your own guys have been proven to be what you say the jews are ?
This has got to be the reason why the word "denial" has become common when dealing with so called "histroians" of the "revisionist" irk.
Denial is everything when you can defend nothing.
In other words you don't want any akward questions asked.

[Globus]

"Ausrottung" means uprooting not extermination.

No, ausrottung means kill, as Germans know very well.

[Globus]

That recording is phony, Jews are liars, case closed ! :jew:

The sum and subtance of Holocaust Denial!

[Globus]

German Kanzler Helmut Kohl on TV about election results of the year 1999:

»You have to look only at the Ruhrgebiet, the voters had all the Socialdemocrats "ausgerottet".«

(12/21/2001, 23:15, n-tv Sandra Maischberger)

Which in hoaxer speak would then translate that in 1999 all Social Democrats were gassed.

Kolchab
'Revisionist' at Large

First of all, the word means killed not gassed.

Secondly, your claim that this sentence was uttered carries no weight whatsover.

The word means kill.

[Globus]

Good example of the use of the word "ausrotten" by a native speaker of German.

How do you know the comment was even made!

Another example of the denier double standard when it comes to evidence. They're willing to accept any claim when it fits their desired objective.

[cerberus]

GlobusAnother example of the denier double standard when it comes to evidence. They're willing to accept any claim when it fits their desired objective.
Gotta drive that square peg into that round hole , such is the basis for "scholarly research" , "revisionist" style.
The same old same old.:deadhorse:

So you think everything hinges on what words mean , even though it is what you want them to mean rather than what they do mean.
In short you would turn history into an idiots charter , you are a laughing stock but had you the wit to know it.

[Ravenheart]

There are German posters here - but none of them have come forth to back you up on your wholly incorrect use of the the word "ausrottung."

He uses the exact same word to describe purging the body of a bacillus. How does one rid a body of a bacillus? By gathering them together and drawing them out with a syringe and letting them free?

I didn't suggest anything of the kind. I said eradication is a more literal translation of Ausrottung than killing is.

e·rad·i·cate [i-rad-i-keyt]
–verb (used with object), -cat·ed, -cat·ing.
1. to remove or destroy utterly; extirpate: to eradicate smallpox throughout the world.
2. to erase by rubbing or by means of a chemical solvent: to eradicate a spot.
3. to pull up by the roots: to eradicate weeds.

A quick google search produced this (http://www.woxikon.de/wort/Ausrottung.php). Go to www.freetranslation.com and enter 'eradication', then translate from English to German. What do you get? Ausrottung.


As they say, a distinction without a difference.

I already stated it was a detail.

[Globus]

I didn't suggest anything of the kind. I said eradication is a more literal translation of Ausrottung than killing is.

But it isn't, of course. In German in means kill. Not that eradicate connotes anything different.

I already stated it was a detail.

An incorrect one, as it turns out.

[koch curve]

one of eradicate's definitions is using a chemical to destroy something...


hmm

[Watzy]

German Kanzler Helmut Kohl on TV about election results of the year 1999:

»You have to look only at the Ruhrgebiet, the voters had all the Socialdemocrats "ausgerottet".«

(12/21/2001, 23:15, n-tv Sandra Maischberger)

Which in hoaxer speak would then translate that in 1999 all Social Democrats were gassed.

Kolchab
'Revisionist' at Large


Than how do you explain the German use of the english word "uproot" to denote something Germans hold criminal, unjust and unacceptable when applied to the German fifth column (more precisely the collaborators) in other countries. They also clearly link this word to mass liquidations, extermination, genocide, bloodlust ect.

See the BS German propaganda page where Germans whine about German ethnic group in ex-Yugoslavia:

(...)
Children are taught about the "Holocaust" in school, but nothing of even greater atrocities committed against their own people, both during and after World War II.

(...)
The fact that 1.6 million decent Danube Swabian people could be uprooted from their native soil, to be deported or massacred--not because of any guilt or wrongdoing--but solely because of their German ancestry is, in the parlance of today, a crime against humanity. The cruelty and enormity of this crime, which greatly altered the demographic make-up of Europe, and the fact that it was never reported by the mainstream media, is the reason enough to uncover this cover-up.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ecarla/genocide.htm

Leaches as they are, they even demand reparation from states of eastern Europe and Balkans - only because they were "ausrotted".

Is there no end to the German perfidity and greed !? :cuss:

[WFHermans]

Typical. If jews are evacuated, it is supposed to be the biggest crime in world history. If non-jewish children are murdered, the jews make excuses for it.

But of course your Talmud tells you to lie and murder.

[Globus]

Typical. If jews are evacuated, it is supposed to be the biggest crime in world history.

But exterminated and eradicated don't mean evacuated, and Frank indicated murder.

If non-jewish children are murdered, the jews make excuses for it.

No more than Gentiles do.

But of course your Talmud tells you to lie and murder.

It says no such thing, liar.

[Ravenheart]

But it isn't, of course. In German in means kill. Not that eradicate connotes anything different.

An incorrect one, as it turns out.

And people say WFHermans is impossible to argue with. Did you even check the links I gave you?

Töten = to kill
Ausrotten = to eradicate, to exterminate

Go to www.freetranslation.com and enter Ausrotten, then click German to English. What does it say? Eradicate.

[koch curve]

wait why are you people so stupid eradicate and exterminate still hold connotations of murder, but on a far greater scale


if i said i was going to exterminate an infestation of rats this wouldnt mean i was going to capture them humanely and release them later, it would mean i was going to kill every last one of them

[Ravenheart]

wait why are you people so stupid eradicate and exterminate still hold connotations of murder, but on a far greater scale

Agreed. My post wasn't about different interpretations of Himmler's speech though, but about stubborn misuse of the German language.

[koch curve]

yeah i dunno i guess it is a misapplication of the german language but really either way if it means exterminate or murder it doesnt make a difference because theyre both talking about killing

[Globus]

And people say WFHermans is impossible to argue with. Did you even check the links I gave you?

The links you gave are worthless. You don't define a German word by consulting an English dictionary or translator. Check a German dictionary to see what the word means in German.


ausrotten, rottete aus, hat ausgerottet: jmdn., etw. vernichten,
völlig beseitigen: Ungeziefer, Unkraut a.; ein Volk, die Ketzer (mit
Feuer und Schwert) a.; ein Atomkrieg koennte die Menschheit a.; das
Verbrechertum (mit Stumpf und Stiel) a.; d. Aberglauben, Irrtum,
falsche Lehre, Übel (mit der Wurzel) a.; die Wurzeln des Übels a.;
diese Gewohnheit, Unsitte ist schwer auszurotten; [die englische
Arbeiterklasse] ist fest überzeugt, daß...die Allianz der Arbeiter
aller Länder schließlich den Krieg ausrotten wird (Marx,
Bürgerkrieg 30); dazu Ausrotter, der;


[Wörterbuch der Deutschen Gegenwartssprache", Hrsg. Ruth
Klappenbch und Wolfgang Steinitz, Berlin: Akademie Verlag, 1964]



ausrotten: "völlig vernichten": Das seit dem 15. Jh., zuerst in der Form
ausrutten bezeugte zusammengesetzte Verb gehört zu dem heute nicht mehr
gebräuchlichen einfachen Verb rotten "völlig vernichten", das eigentlich
"roden, mit der Wurzel beseitigen" bedeutet (vgl. roden).
---------------------------------------------------------------------------FAILED HACK ATTEMPT => TRY AGAIN DIPSHIT--
Duden, Etymologie, Herkunftswörterbuch der deutschen Sprache. Duden Band
7, 2. Aufl. 1989. ISBN 3-411-20907-0

Care to tell us what "vernichten" or "vollig vernichten" mean in German?

[koch curve]

according to the quote it means:

"---------------------------------------------------------------------------failed Hack Attempt => Try Again Dipshit--"

[Ravenheart]

Care to tell us what "vernichten" or "vollig vernichten" mean in German?

"Destroy" and "fully destroy". Your rhetorical tricks are meaningless, as this very well falls within the meaning of eradication. I have nowhere suggested Ausrottung should be translated as mere deportation or something like that. My point is and was simply that "kill" is not as literal a translation as "eradication". Interpret that as you wish. I'm not going to argue this any further, as anyone with access to a German-English/English-German dictionary or online variant thereof can check it for him/herself.

[cerberus]

RavenheartMy post wasn't about different interpretations of Himmler's speech though, but about stubborn misuse of the German language.
Which is what the revisionist sect do with Himmler's speech.
Irving has made much play on being critical and showing sour grapes towards historians who do not speak German as a language.
He was going to try and set up Ian Kershaw as such in his silly libel case.
Word play is what it is , a side show for a bankrupt cause.

[Globus]

"Destroy" and "fully destroy".

Or completely and permanently annihiliate or kill.

Your rhetorical tricks are meaningless, as this very well falls within the meaning of eradication.

And eradicate falls within the meaning of annihilate or kill completely.

I have nowhere suggested Ausrottung should be translated as mere deportation or something like that.

No one said you did.

And as I indicated, the proper way to learn its meaning is through a German dictionary, not through an English translation.

[WFHermans]

Typical jewish of Globus to leave out the second meaning of ausrotten from the german dictionary, namely völlig beseitigen, to put aside totally.

[Globus]

Typical jewish of Globus to leave out the second meaning of ausrotten from the german dictionary, namely völlig beseitigen, to put aside totally.

I didn't leave it out at all, stupid Jew hater!!

Beseitigen means wipe out or eliminate.

Here is more information from another German dictionary.

The following definitions are from "Brockhaus Wahrig Deutsches
Woerterbuch in sechs Baenden. Stuttgart 1980".


ausrotten 1 L e b e w e s e n ausrotten
voellig u. fuer immer vernichten, alle toeten


die Feinde ausrotten; im Krieg wurde das ganz
Volk ausgerottet; diese Tierrasse ist schon laengst
ausgerottet worden; Maeuse, Fliegen, Unkraut (mit
Stumpf u. Stiel), Ungeziefer ausrotten


2 e t w a s ausrotten (fig.)


den Aberglauben, die schlechte Gewohnheit, das
Verbrechertum, eine Unsitte, Laster, Vorurteile
ausrotten; etwas mit Stumpf un Stiel ausrotten;
das Uebel mit der Wurzel ausrotten (zu reuten,
roden)


[end definition]


Now the translation:


[begin translation]


ausrotten 1. Exterminate *living things*
Completely and permanently annihilate, kill all


Exterminate the enemies; during the war, the entire people
was exterminated;
This species of animal was exterminated long ago; to
exterminate mice, flies, weeds (root and branch)
insects


2. Purge [or eliminate] *something* (fig.)


Purge a superstition, get rid of a bad custom,
criminality,
bad habit, vice, prejudice; wipe something out
lock, stock and barrel; purge evil to the very root


[end translation]

As for the use of it by Nazis toward Jews, Professor Longerich commented on this during the Irving Trial.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Penguin/experts/Longerich/glossary/part2.html

6. Ausrotten (noun: Ausrottung)

6.1 Langenscheidt's Dictionary of 1982 translates ausrotten", when used with respect to a people or a race, as "exterminate", "wipe out", "kill off', and in the more general sense, referring to an evil, as "eradicate', "extirpate", "stamp out", "root out". The term generally implies the use of force and is harsher than the more neutral term "vernichten ". In general usage, the term is frequently applied to the removal of pests or weeds. The word stem is related to the word "-rotten" (to uproot), and so the original meaning is "to remove together with the root" (Kluge's Etymological Dictionary of the German Language, 23rd ed. 1993). As used with respect to human beings, I consider the English word "extirpate" to be a better translation than "exterminate", which corresponds more to the German "vernichten."

6.2 Used with respect to a people, the term ausrotten does not necessarily have to mean that all members of this people are killed. The term could also be understood in the sense that the foundations for the existence of the people are destroyed, so that the nation ceases to exist as a nation. However, the term can also be understood as meaning that all members of a nation or the great majority of a nation are killed. The term is used in this second sense by Hitler and leading National Socialists during the Second World War and also in the years preceding the war. I have not yet found a single example of Hitler or Himmler using the term "ausrotten" during the Second World War with respect to human beings or a group of human beings other than in the sense of "to kill in large numbers or to kill all as far as possible".

Your head must be awfully sore!

[Aryan Imperium]

Does anyone have an opinion about this recording of Himmler in a secret meeting with SS?

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

The MPEG has scrolling text in German and the English translation, word for word as spoken, so it is really easy to follow along if you don't know German.

Ausrotten as with Venichten depends upon the context and the particular value that one ascribes to the term. Ausrotten, to eradicate or destroy can just as easily refer to the eradication or removal of jewish influence and their presence amongst the German Volk. The use of term does not have to imply physical extermination.
We all know that the Third Reich had disempowered the jew and removed them from public life and normal contact with Aryan Germans but this did not require a physical extermination.

[cerberus]

Aryan Imp. - How likely do you think this is , given what others including Hitler himself had said in his speech to the rteichstag in which he promised the destruction of the Jewish race.
Goebbels when he described the terrible fate which was to befall the Jews .
Frank when he described what was to take place.
You seem to forget that when Himmler said these words it ws already taking place - the ez. gruppen had already shot hundreds of thousands , gassing was already under way.

The terms often used , they sound very much like the false and totally innacurate death certificates issued to conceal what was actually taking place within T4.

How does this reconcile with "13f14" ?

The two are easily linked by the above protocol which also bore Himmler signature.

The more you look at the extent of the killing as a whole the more implausible your excuse becomes , in fact its quiet daft , not to put too fine a point on it.

[Globus]

Ausrotten as with Venichten depends upon the context and the particular value that one ascribes to the term.

That is absolutely meaningless. There is no context with respect to living things that yields any meaning for ausrotten or vernichten other than kill. There is no such thing as a "value" of a word.

Ausrotten, to eradicate or destroy can just as easily refer to the eradication or removal of jewish influence and their presence amongst the German Volk.

But that is not the context in which the word was used. It was used to refer to Jews, and it meant to exterminate them.

The use of term does not have to imply physical extermination.

Always in the case of living things.

We all know that the Third Reich had disempowered the jew and removed them from public life and normal contact with Aryan Germans but this did not require a physical extermination.

But what they did to Jews in the 1930's in Germany is irrelevant to what they did and said about the Jews of Europe later during the war.

[WFHermans]

As a talmudic jew Globus has the duty to lie to goyim.

I listened to the complete 1939 speech by Hitler, not to just one mistranslated sentence, and to anyone who knows German it is completely obvious that "ausrotten" meant the same as the german prime minister Kohl said when he talked about the "ausrotten" of the Social Democrats.

If you believe that a few years ago the Social Democrats were killed, go ahead. You believe as well that the Romans burned 6 million kids in Torah rolls, or whatever the ridiculous number was.

[Globus]

As a talmudic jew Globus has the duty to lie to goyim.

A Jew haters idea of a convincing argument!!

I listened to the complete 1939 speech by Hitler, not to just one mistranslated sentence, and to anyone who knows German it is completely obvious that "ausrotten" meant the same as the german prime minister Kohl said when he talked about the "ausrotten" of the Social Democrats.


What you claim to have done, or thought, is not evidence Hermans.

Nothing about the sentences has been mistranslated. Germans know very well what the meaning of those terms, used extensively and explained easily by the context of the speeches, is.

They mean to exterminate, as reinforced by the all the dictionary definitions and historian references provided in this thread.

Like all conspiraloons, Hermans thinks his musings trumps evidence.

[Sulla the Dictator]

The THHP quotes Himmler in
“Holocaust-Denial, the Poznan speech, and our translation”
http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/ausrotten.shtml



With other words, THHP agrees with Himmler that the Jews wanted to kill the Germans.


LOL Weak. THHP agrees that Himmler SAID that Jews wanted to kill Germans.

Are you new?

[Stick to the Facts]

As a talmudic jew Globus has the duty to lie to goyim.

I listened to the complete 1939 speech by Hitler, not to just one mistranslated sentence, and to anyone who knows German it is completely obvious that "ausrotten" meant the same as the german prime minister Kohl said when he talked about the "ausrotten" of the Social Democrats.

If you believe that a few years ago the Social Democrats were killed, go ahead. You believe as well that the Romans burned 6 million kids in Torah rolls, or whatever the ridiculous number was.

Seriously dude you're embarrassing yourself. None of the native German speakers are backing you up - and there are some around here.

If the Holocaust did in fact not happen then I'm sure you can find some legitimate explanation to dismiss this recording, but this word game just doesn't cut it.

Can you explain why on earth he would drill the point home about keeping the subject matter secret, when everyone knew there was a supposed plan to deport the Jews. In your interpretation, what was so "secret" about it?

Also, please explain how one "deports" a bacillum? If your meaning is correct, that's a pretty poor choice of analogies don't you think?

[benfromcanada]

The THHP quotes Himmler in
“Holocaust-Denial, the Poznan speech, and our translation”
http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/ausrotten.shtml



With other words, THHP agrees with Himmler that the Jews wanted to kill the Germans.

That would explain why the Nazis deported the Jews to hundreds of ghettos and work camps in the east. They could simply not tolerate a “fifth column” behind the front in the back of their fighting soldiers.

As THHP says: “Case closed.”
:)

Kolchab
‘Revisionist’ at Large
The part I bolded....yeah, that doesn't follow. In fact, there's no implication of this at all.

[benfromcanada]

Fax me an authorization of the Final Solution signed by Hitler.

btw:

Kids are kidnapped, adult civilians are abducted, and soldiers are captured.
Fax me ANYTHING signed by Hitler. I'm sure it'll fetch a ton on eBay.

[benfromcanada]

About the Posen speech:

1. The complete speech isn't there, just a fragment. Jewish lie no.1.

That's not a lie....they're up front about that. Are you going to listen to an entire 3 hour speech in German?

2. To get the complete speech, you need to order it. Jewish scam to get money.

And I'm sure the money goes straight to a rabbi in Israel. Right?

3. The speech was held in Posen, Germany. Not in Poznan, Poland. That would be as silly as saying that Stalin was born in the Soviet Republic of Georgia.

Poznan was renamed Posen by the Germans.

4. The decisive keywords are deliberately mistranslated. I know it is deliberate because almost all of the fragment is translated correctly.

Except you're wrong.

5. Himmler is stating Germany would have the right to kill jews, because the jews wanted to kill the Germans. However, the jews are only losing all their influence and are deported.
Except that he used words that said the exact opposite of that.

[WFHermans]

The THHP accepts Himmler's words as truth (mistranslated by a person who follows a religion that allows lies to be told if it's good for jews). If they now claim Himmler didn't speak the truth, they can't use his remark of "ausrotten" as proof either.

[ogenoct]

4. The decisive keywords are deliberately mistranslated.

It is not a mistranslation. "Ausrottung" means "extermination" no matter how you twist it.

Constantin

[WFHermans]

Are you going to listen to an entire 3 hour speech in German?Certainly. I rely on complete source material, not on mistranslated out of context snippets.

The fact that they insist using the name "Poznan" is indicative of their bias.

Not even the most extreme anti-communist would refer to Leningrad as St. Petersburg if he would wite about a speech held in Leningrad in 1943.

Hilarious how english speaking zionists insist they know more about German than native speakers of German, or a near-native speaker like me.

[benfromcanada]

Himmler is the only Nazi I have any great respect for.
Why is this?

[ogenoct]

Hilarious how english speaking zionists insist they know more about German than native speakers of German, or a near-native speaker like me.

I am German. You are not. Therefore I am right, and you are wrong.

Constantin

[Aryan Imperium]

[cerberus]Aryan Imp. - How likely do you think this is , given what others including Hitler himself had said in his speech to the rteichstag in which he promised the destruction of the Jewish race.
Goebbels when he described the terrible fate which was to befall the Jews .
Frank when he described what was to take place.
You seem to forget that when Himmler said these words it ws already taking place - the ez. gruppen had already shot hundreds of thousands , gassing was already under way.

If I remember correctly the term that Hitler used was `die Vernichtung des Judentums`. In the context of the speech this equated to the `eradication of jewdom as a cultural entity in the same way as I talk about the eradication or removal of christendom. It is not about a physical extermination.
If anyone can produce the original German text I would be happy to translate the salient points.
The shooting of enemy insurgents in the east whilst a fierce war was raging has nothing to do with the claims of a `holocaust` of the jews taking place.

The terms often used , they sound very much like the false and totally innacurate death certificates issued to conceal what was actually taking place within T4.


How does this reconcile with "13f14" ?
The two are easily linked by the above protocol which also bore Himmler signature.



Oh and signatures can never be duplicated?:rolleyes:

The more you look at the extent of the killing as a whole the more implausible your excuse becomes , in fact its quiet daft , not to put too fine a point on it.

There is a lot of killing and a lot of death in a war. Perhaps it is time that we talked about the actual and historical extermination of ethnic Germans after WWII? A real holocaust that is always shoved under the carpet or justified by the jews and other enemies of our race.

[benfromcanada]

Your employer won't fire you because he's compelled to by law. The first amendment has NOTHING TO DO with the workplace.

Also, many people make racist comments at work and don't get fired. It all depends on what you say, how much you harp/lecture about it, and who you say it to.

Your employer is also likely to fire you if you do these other things that aren't illegal (depending on the nature of the job of course):

use excessive foul language,

yell at people excessively, or at all (depending on the job and who you're yelling at),

talk about Jesus too much, particularly if it is in a way that is pushy or makes people uncomfortable,

act weird,

dress inappropriately, etc.

There is nothing special about racist comments. At all.
Dude, one of the white guys that worked at our local First Nations Casino hated First Nations. He was transferred over because he knew how to do his job, got promoted to Casino Manager, PUBLICLY made statements about how First Nations are all drunks, IN A MEETING WITH TRIBAL ELDERS, and didn't get fired for it. He did get fired months later after profits went down, several of the female workers complained of sexual harassment, and quite a few of the First Nations workers complained about his racism. Some even quit over it. (it wasn't the only reason I quit but I saw the promotion coming and it did influence my decision) So, several months after his racist statements to the tribal elders, after profits go down and the workers all but quit on him, the head offices canned him. Is this evidence for a Jewish anti-racist conspiracy against the white people?

[WFHermans]

We need the original source text and a literal translation. Unfortunately the zionist exterminationists insist on jailing people who publish those source texts, which proves the zionist exterminationists are in fear of the truth.

[Aryan Imperium]

[Globus]That is absolutely meaningless. There is no context with respect to living things that yields any meaning for ausrotten or vernichten other than kill. There is no such thing as a "value" of a word.



Vernichtung and Ausrottung are not direct translations of the English term `extermination`. Extermination has the general meaning of destruction of biological life. In comparison the two German terms are more likely to be used in the context of the destruction, eradication or removal of an idea, a cultural entity if you will. It should not be assumed that it means biological extermination.

But that is not the context in which the word was used. It was used to refer to Jews, and it meant to exterminate them.


No, in the context of the speech it meant their removal or displacement as a cultural entity.

Always in the case of living things.


Incorrect. See my previous comments.


But what they did to Jews in the 1930's in Germany is irrelevant to what they did and said about the Jews of Europe later during the war.


Why is it not relevant? The German evaluation of the jew did not differ according to what their hosts countries were.

[benfromcanada]

arguing with wfhermans is impossible


ive seriously come to think that hes a mentally retarded child who has been given a computer by accident and accidentally found stormfront, then started repeating everything he read and has been doing this for years now

maybe its time we talk to him in pictures
I personally think he tosses hamsters onto the keyboard. Then a grown up runs it through spell check and grammar check, and posts it online without reading it. That's the closest thing to a logical explanation I can find.

[Aryan Imperium]

As a talmudic jew Globus has the duty to lie to goyim.

I listened to the complete 1939 speech by Hitler, not to just one mistranslated sentence, and to anyone who knows German it is completely obvious that "ausrotten" meant the same as the german prime minister Kohl said when he talked about the "ausrotten" of the Social Democrats.

If you believe that a few years ago the Social Democrats were killed, go ahead. You believe as well that the Romans burned 6 million kids in Torah rolls, or whatever the ridiculous number was.

Absolutely correct. Globus clearly does not understand the fine nuances of language translation or is deliberately trying to mislead us from his talmudic perspective.

[benfromcanada]

Hey, make all the hollowhoax threads you want. I am just a regular member here, I don't pay for the bandwidth, I don't make the decisions.

I am pretty much "talked out" as far as the subject of Jewish wartime deaths is concerned. I admit there were Jews killed during the years 1939-1945. Personaly, I don't care, I am not a Jew, & I don't very much like them either. If there was a "thinning out of the herd" of those Satanic people, what do you want me to do, lie, & say I care, I don't.

All this talk does is promote white guilt, guilt which no white person should have. Churchill, & his Zionist masters, they are to blame.


* oh yea, "the WN/racist types", who says I am a racist? I don't think I am at all, in fact, quite the opposite. I like to expose the Jew's lies, all their meddling + plotting, and the cost to all the other races. Palestinians being victims #1 of these mass murdering Zionist Jews.
Do you admit it was a deliberate, premeditated attempt at extermination?

[Aryan Imperium]

Fax me ANYTHING signed by Hitler. I'm sure it'll fetch a ton on eBay.

Incorrect. E Bay forbids the use of their facilities to sell or buy anything remotely connected to `hate`.

[benfromcanada]

I'm not a big fan of holocaust arguments, but this thread is an exception. Presented with audio proof of the Nazis' planned, deliberate attempt at exterminating a group of people and the pathetic attempt by some here trying to parse it into self defense is really an interesting phenomenon.
I have to actually agree. I generally don't care for holocaust threads, but this one is up my ally. Or would be if any of these deniers brought in the "doctored tape" argument. They did at MSF and I shot that down with ease.

[benfromcanada]

I think the term "Holocaust" sets some folks' teeth on edge, because it somehow sets apart the rest of the people who died in WWII from the Jews' suffering and is indeed played up more than any other group., which is understandable. Millions of non-Jews died in the bloodbath.
What gets me about it is the word "the" in the phrase "the Holocaust", the capitalisation, and the lack of the qualifier "Jewish". That is, it basically says "this is THE ONLY holocaust EVER" or at the very least "this is the most important one". True, there's no proof of a larger scale one ever happening in so short a time, but there have been many other holocausts outside the Jewish holocaust.

[WFHermans]

I personally think he tosses hamsters onto the keyboard. Then a grown up runs it through spell check and grammar check, and posts it online without reading it. That's the closest thing to a logical explanation I can find.That's the "comment" we all expect from talmudic jews like you. For promoting animal abuse you earned yourself a place on my ignore list. :whip:

[benfromcanada]

That recording is phony, Jews are liars, case closed ! :jew:
Proof? Of the former, I'm sure you have a lot of "proof" of the latter.

[benfromcanada]

The THHP accepts Himmler's words as truth (mistranslated by a person who follows a religion that allows lies to be told if it's good for jews). If they now claim Himmler didn't speak the truth, they can't use his remark of "ausrotten" as proof either.
NO THEY DON'T! They accept that he said them. Show me where I'm wrong here.

[benfromcanada]

Certainly. I rely on complete source material, not on mistranslated out of context snippets.

The fact that they insist using the name "Poznan" is indicative of their bias.

Not even the most extreme anti-communist would refer to Leningrad as St. Petersburg if he would wite about a speech held in Leningrad in 1943.

Hilarious how english speaking zionists insist they know more about German than native speakers of German, or a near-native speaker like me.

St. Petersburg was renamed Leningrad (completely different name) shortly after the Bolshevik Revolution, and was kept as "Leningrad" for decades until the collapse of the USSR.

Poznan was renamed Posen (remarkably similar name) after the Germans conquered Poland, and was renamed back after the occupation, which lasted much less than a single decade. In other words, it was a smaller and shorter change of names.

Hilarious how native German speakers at MSF and here disagree with you.

[benfromcanada]

We need the original source text and a literal translation. Unfortunately the zionist exterminationists insist on jailing people who publish those source texts, which proves the zionist exterminationists are in fear of the truth.
Where and when and who and what were the reasons given?

[benfromcanada]

Incorrect. E Bay forbids the use of their facilities to sell or buy anything remotely connected to `hate`.
Well I'm sure I could sell it somewhere for a good price.

And it's obviously not going to stop the selling of ALL things connected to hate, else homophobic fucks like Eminem would never have their memorabilia hocked there.

[benfromcanada]

That's the "comment" we all expect from talmudic jews like you. For promoting animal abuse you earned yourself a place on my ignore list. :whip:
Except I'm not a jew, have never read the talmud, and I promoted nothing. Do you know how to read at all?

[Commander]

Do you admit it was a deliberate, premeditated attempt at extermination?

That's hard to say. The Zionists wanted to start filling up Palestine with Jews from all over the world, but were not having much luck, very few wanted to go there.

The massive Zionist bombing campaign towards the end of the war did indeed cause the deaths of many Jews. Whether this could ever be proved to be a deliberate act, I don't know. Jews love killing, it could have just been one of their periodic killing sprees.

This action, combined with a massive phony gas-chamber extortion racket after the war, did have the effect of finally populating occupied Palestine with the desired #'s as well as ensure financing from false-guilt ridden goyim countries.

[benfromcanada]

That's hard to say. The Zionists wanted to start filling up Palestine with Jews from all over the world, but were not having much luck, very few wanted to go there.

The massive Zionist bombing campaign towards the end of the war did indeed cause the deaths of many Jews. Whether this could ever be proved to be a deliberate act, I don't know. Jews love killing, it could have just been one of their periodic killing sprees.

This action, combined with a massive phony gas-chamber extortion racket after the war, did have the effect of finally populating occupied Palestine with the desired #'s as well as ensure financing from false-guilt ridden goyim countries.
ZIONIST BOMBING CAMPAIGN????? Dude, the U.S. was the ones bombing them. The U.S. had enough Jew hate at that time to not take orders from them.

Go watch the video at the beginning. That's proof enough of a deliberate attempt by the Nazis to exterminate the Jews.

[Globus]

The THHP accepts Himmler's words as truth (mistranslated by a person who follows a religion that allows lies to be told if it's good for jews). If they now claim Himmler didn't speak the truth, they can't use his remark of "ausrotten" as proof either.

You've got to be as dumb as a post!

The Himmler speech was translated right after the war. No German has ever challenged the translation. That ought to tell even someone like you something.

[Globus]

Absolutely correct. Globus clearly does not understand the fine nuances of language translation or is deliberately trying to mislead us from his talmudic perspective.

You haven't shown any fine nuances!

You've just lied about the obvious translation.

[Commander]

ZIONIST BOMBING CAMPAIGN????? Dude, the U.S. was the ones bombing them. The U.S. had enough Jew hate at that time to not take orders from them.

Go watch the video at the beginning. That's proof enough of a deliberate attempt by the Nazis to exterminate the Jews.

How old are you, do you have any knowledge of that era, who the power brokers were, who financed FDR?

[Aryan Imperium]

You've got to be as dumb as a post!

The Himmler speech was translated right after the war. No German has ever challenged the translation. That ought to tell even someone like you something.

Correction, no German has ever dared to challenge the translation. That is a very big difference.
Perhaps if you stuck to discussing the issues at hand without flaming your opponents we could have something passing a civilised debate?

[Aryan Imperium]

You haven't shown any fine nuances!

You've just lied about the obvious translation.

A talmudic jew such as yourself should be an expert in lying. Perhaps you could give the rest of us some lessons on the art of deception?
I am a second generation German immigrant to England of SS lineage with a degree equivalent diploma in German. By contrast what are you?

[Stick to the Facts]

How old are you, do you have any knowledge of that era, who the power brokers were, who financed FDR?

LOL what a joke. You guys will believe anything that casts the Nazis in a better light no matter how scant the evidence, and will refuse to believe anything that casts them in a good light despite mountains of evidence.

Petr could give you some tips on how to live your life with such illogic and inconsistency.

[Commander]

LOL what a joke. You guys will believe anything that casts the Nazis in a better light no matter how scant the evidence, and will refuse to believe anything that casts them in a good light despite mountains of evidence.

Petr could give you some tips on how to live your life with such illogic and inconsistency.

So you are saying it was Laplanders who financed FDR?

90% of America did not want to get involved in WW2 but a group of rich Laplanders, [who financed FDR], then coerced him into going along with the Pearl Harbor false-flag operation? Laplander-American Army officers, & advisers made many of the war decisions?

[Stick to the Facts]

So you are saying it was Laplanders who financed FDR?

90% of America did not want to get involved in WW2 but a group of rich Laplanders, [who financed FDR], then coerced him into going along with the Pearl Harbor false-flag operation? Laplander-American Army officers, & advisers made many of the war decisions?

Why do you believe that Pearl Harbor was a false-flag operation, but you won't believe in the Holocaust?

To paraphrase deniers/revisionists: "Show me FDR's signature on the order authorizing the false-flag operation against Pearl Harbor."

What's that? You have a double standard for the evidence?

Why?

[Commander]

Why do you believe that Pearl Harbor was a false-flag operation, but you won't believe in the Holocaust?

To paraphrase deniers/revisionists: "Show me FDR's signature on the order authorizing the false-flag operation against Pearl Harbor."

What's that? You have a double standard for the evidence?

Why?
I believe I have already addressed this question. I said, I associated with criminals & con-artists in my youth, I can read these Jews like a book. What do they say on those cop shows, "I can feel it in my gut" ?

Any more questions?

Is that a picture of Duke when he was doing his Federal time? Interesting, it must have took some work to find that.

[koch curve]

so you hung out with some minor idiot criminals who probably jacked radios out of cars and such in your youth and this gives you the authority to decide on international conspiracy theories? give me a fucking break how stupid are you


this is probably the most laughable thing i have ever read on this forum holy shit

[Stick to the Facts]

I believe I have already addressed this question. I said, I associated with criminals & con-artists in my youth, I can read these Jews like a book. What do they say on those cop shows, "I can feel it in my gut" ?

Any more questions?

Is that a picture of Duke when he was doing his Federal time? Interesting, it must have took some work to find that.

Wait, so you're telling me you've met the Jews that were behind the false flag operation, and you could tell they are liars? And you also met the jews that were behind the holocaust hoax, and you can also tell THEY are liars?

Or you met some present day Jews who know the real truth and you can tell if they were lying or not?

I'm not sure I understand.

[koch curve]

this is hilarious, the only evidence youre going on is that you refuse to accept facts when they dont implicate jews, so youre inventing some "gut feeling" in order to explain away the fact that youre absolutely 100% wrong

[Stick to the Facts]

this is hilarious, the only evidence youre going on is that you refuse to accept facts when they dont implicate jews, so youre inventing some "gut feeling" in order to explain away the fact that youre absolutely 100% wrong

I also like how these guys rant about the statistics for minorities, and yet how many of these guys have prison stories? Don Black, Jack_Boot, David Duke, and many many many more. Hypocrisy?

I also like how they claim that minorities are less intelligent than whites - yet take a look at the people making the claims.

Once you WN types subtract out all the Jews, and me, academics, and educated whites who oppose you, what do you think the mean IQ of THAT group would be?

Personally I'm sick of bolstering your statistics, so count me out of the next census please. You guys just weigh me down.

[Commander]

so you hung out with some minor idiot criminals who probably jacked radios out of cars and such in your youth and this gives you the authority to decide on international conspiracy theories? give me a fucking break how stupid are you

this is probably the most laughable thing i have ever read on this forum holy shit

I am not willing to discuss any "alleged" past incidents or conduct. Your petty insults do not affect me. I stand by what I said Mr. Koch.

I have more than just my gut feelings, I have many years of digesting world events, plus like I said before also, my dad was in the British Army in WW2. He was also right there in the thick of things when your murderous Stern gang was killing British soldiers in Palestine during the 1946 - 1948 years. I have benefited greatly from his 1st hand knowledge, he is a very Jew-aware man.

Feel free to ask me any further questions, you seem to be much younger than I, if I can assist you or other members of this forum, I will gladly do so.

[koch curve]

I am not willing to discuss any "alleged" past incidents or conduct. Your petty insults do not affect me. I stand by what I said Mr. Koch.

I have more than just my gut feelings, I have many years of digesting world events, plus like I said before also, my dad was in the British Army in WW2. He was also right there in the thick of things when your murderous Stern gang was killing British soldiers in Palestine during the 1946 - 1948 years. I have benefited greatly from his 1st hand knowledge, he is a very Jew-aware man.

Feel free to ask me any further questions, you seem to be much younger than I, if I can assist you or other members of this forum, I will gladly do so.

ah yes, your father was a member of the brave and commendable british men who sat back and watched like cowards as arabs murdered and raped jews in their homes, he must be a very proud man. a shame he never met mr. stern or his associates in person.

but yes, back to the issue at hand, you still have presented absolutely no evidence for your claim

please, just because you have spent "years digesting world events" doesnt mean you are immune from the necessity to present fact in an arguement

[Commander]

ah yes, your father was a member of the brave and commendable british men who sat back and watched like cowards as arabs murdered and raped jews in their homes, he must be a very proud man. a shame he never met mr. stern or his associates in person.


It's nice to know his actions outside that Internment camp in Germany where the SS shot at him before fleeing, prior to the British forces liberating your kinfolk, it's nice to know this is appreciated. :whip:

[Stick to the Facts]

I am not willing to discuss any "alleged" past incidents or conduct. Your petty insults do not affect me. I stand by what I said Mr. Koch.

I have more than just my gut feelings, I have many years of digesting world events, plus like I said before also, my dad was in the British Army in WW2. He was also right there in the thick of things when your murderous Stern gang was killing British soldiers in Palestine during the 1946 - 1948 years. I have benefited greatly from his 1st hand knowledge, he is a very Jew-aware man.

Feel free to ask me any further questions, you seem to be much younger than I, if I can assist you or other members of this forum, I will gladly do so.

So you base your built in Jewish lie detector on your dad's experience as a grunt infrantryman in WWII and your experience with criminals?

So when you used this vast experience of yours to decide the jews were liars and that they engineered the 'holohoax' and got FDR to authorize a false flag operation against pearl harbor, did you actually meet the jews behind it all, discuss it with them, and determine they were lying? Or did you meet some other jews who must have been in on the schemes and determine that THEY were lying?

Please give us your methodology. Or just admit that you're full of crap, your choice.

[Commander]

Please give us your methodology. Or just admit that you're full of crap, your choice.

Just read information posted all over the internet. I am not going to list all the places where I have found information. You know there is much out there, you have read this stuff as well.

Am I "full of crap" ? Look what is being said all over the web, who is saying what, decide for yourself, are my views reasonably consistent with what is out there?

[Globus]

Correction, no German has ever dared to challenge the translation. That is a very big difference.

What a crock!

There is no law, nor could there be, telling Germans how to translate German. And even German deniers don't deny the obvious meaning of a German word. It would make them as much a laughing stock as if you tried to tell Americans that "kill" didn't in fact mean ending the life of someone.

Perhaps if you stuck to discussing the issues at hand without flaming your opponents we could have something passing a civilised debate?

You can't have a civilized debate with a liar, and the issue has been thoroughly discussed. You and yours have offered nothing other than your ignorant ipse dixit arguments.

[Globus]

A talmudic jew such as yourself should be an expert in lying.

Since your assumption is a lie the expert seems to be you.

As for the simple definition of a German word, you are either lying or not very bright. Your claims to Germanic heritage are worthless. The dictionaries and experts and all German speakers have shown your claims to be desperate nonsense.

[banjo_billy]

What, there isn't a SINGLE holocaust denier/revisionist that wants to take a shot at this?
I am not a Holohoax Denier. I am a Holocaust Approver. I approve of the Holocaust and look forward to bigger and better holocausts -- real ones this time.

[banjo_billy]

So when you used this vast experience of yours to decide the jews were liars and that they engineered the 'holohoax' and got FDR to authorize a false flag operation against pearl harbor, did you actually meet the jews behind it all, discuss it with them, and determine they were lying? Or did you meet some other jews who must have been in on the schemes and determine that THEY were lying?

Please give us your methodology. Or just admit that you're full of crap, your choice.
The best methodology is to read the Jewish "Babylonian Talmud" for starters. These volumes are considered by the Jews to be "holier" than the Bible. In this, the Jews admit to being liars and deceivers and they brag about it.

Franklin Delano Rosenvelt was a Jewish as any rabbi. He surrounded himself with Jews and Communists and called Joseph Stalin good old "Uncle Joe". And yes, Pearl Harbor was set up by, engineered by and promoted by FDR and his devious kikes in the White House. It's an historical fact, get used to it.

Oh, by the way, no one would know more about the Jews than Jesus. And He called them, "Liars, decievers, hypocrites and murderers, the very children of the Devil."

So, you can deride and jeer all that you want, but the proofs against the Jews are greater than the proofs of their innocence.

[koch curve]

Just read information posted all over the internet. I am not going to list all the places where I have found information. You know there is much out there, you have read this stuff as well.

Am I "full of crap" ? Look what is being said all over the web, who is saying what, decide for yourself, are my views reasonably consistent with what is out there?
yeah ive never seen any evidence of this sort of shit on the web outside of sites like vnn and stormfront and then the sources either dont exist or are made up


quit backing out and provide some evidence for your claims

[koch curve]

The best methodology is to read the Jewish "Babylonian Talmud" for starters. These volumes are considered by the Jews to be "holier" than the Bible. In this, the Jews admit to being liars and deceivers and they brag about it.

have you read it? cause as a jew ive read quite a bit of the talmud, and interestingly enough i never found any of the passages you are talking about. incedenally those passages also sound a lot like the made up bullshit that is floating around the internet.

interesting.

Franklin Delano Rosenvelt was a Jewish as any rabbi. He surrounded himself with Jews and Communists and called Joseph Stalin good old "Uncle Joe".

lol i suppose you have some evidence for this.


oh yeah wait no you dont


And yes, Pearl Harbor was set up by, engineered by and promoted by FDR and his devious kikes in the White House. It's an historical fact, get used to it.

historical fact established with no evidence is not historical fact. please someone show some evidence PLEASE.

Oh, by the way, no one would know more about the Jews than Jesus. And He called them, "Liars, decievers, hypocrites and murderers, the very children of the Devil."

that passage refers to the pharisees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees

the pharisees were a specific sect of jews, sort of like catholics. jesus didnt like them. interestingly jesus himself was a jew. do you suggest he was calling himself the son of the devil as well?

have you actually read the talmud, the bible, or any history books about pearl harbor? cause every fact youve presented concerning each of these has been completely false, i mean i dunno i hate to rain on your parade but it seems to me like youre full of shit.

So, you can deride and jeer all that you want, but the proofs against the Jews are greater than the proofs of their innocence.

yeah i suppose if youre both illiterate and insane at once

[koch curve]

i typed that last post in really simple english because usually when i use longer sentences and bigger words you guys dont get it and seem to get confused


hope that helps :)

[banjo_billy]

have you read it? cause as a jew ive read quite a bit of the talmud, and interestingly enough i never found any of the passages you are talking about. incedenally those passages also sound a lot like the made up bullshit that is floating around the internet.

One of the basic methods of Jews to avoid the Truth is the simple dictum: "Admit nothing, deny everything, demand proof."
So, when debating with one of the Devil's Own Children, keeping this in mind avoids needless argument. So, I will not argue with you because I don't care whether you agree with my statements or not. And as a Jew, you certainly wouldn't admit it.

And as a Jew who claims to have read the Talmud and has "never found" such passages, then I invite you at this time, to write down the Kol Nidre vow so that we can all see the promise that all Jews make on the Yum Krapper New Year -- the promise given IN ADVANCE to lie and to deceive for a whole year in advance.

Now, be a good and "holy" little Jew and tell the truth this time, okay? Write the Kol Nidre Vow and let's all see what honest folks you all are.

lol i suppose you have some evidence for this.

Enough evidence to make you shit in your beanie. You fake a desire to see that evidence, but when it is the very words of your own rabbis, you lie and say that it was made up on the internet.

historical fact established with no evidence is not historical fact. please someone show some evidence PLEASE.
Better be a smart Jew and pretend to be ignorant because the evidence will burn you in hell.

that passage refers to the pharisees.

The Pharisees are today's Jews without one iota of difference except for their name change.

the pharisees were a specific sect of jews, sort of like catholics. jesus didnt like them. interestingly jesus himself was a jew. do you suggest he was calling himself the son of the devil as well?
One of the great lies of the world's formost liars, the Jews, is that Jesus was "one of our boys". The Jews try to bring glory upon their demonic hearts by stealing the goodness that was Jesus. Good cannot come out of evil. Jesus was a Hebrew but He was not a Jew (Pharisee).

have you actually read the talmud, the bible, or any history books about pearl harbor? cause every fact youve presented concerning each of these has been completely false, i mean i dunno i hate to rain on your parade but it seems to me like youre full of shit.
I've read lots of books on all of these subjects. Don't worry about raining on my parade -- where you are going, Jew, there is no rain.
yeah i suppose if youre both illiterate and insane at once
Wrong again. If you could spell better, I suppose you would be in a position to determine who was or was not literate. And since you are a Jew who claims to be one of "God's Chosen Ones" who alone shall inherit the Earth after all of the world's non-Jews are killed, impoverished and enslaved, then I guess you also don't have much in the way of being able to determine who is and who is not insane, would you? Hmm? :-)

[koch curve]

im asking to be burned in hell please post some evidence

[koch curve]

i mean hey im sorry im not the one making completely insane claims, i mean unless i missed the part where "burden of proof" is a jewish plot to discredit the white man it seems like youre making claims with no evidence and then getting indignant when people demand proof

[Commander]

yeah ive never seen any evidence of this sort of shit on the web outside of sites like vnn and stormfront and then the sources either dont exist or are made up

quit backing out and provide some evidence for your claims

I use to do just that, but not anymore. I grow tired doing tricks for you Satanic Jews. Any link I would give you would say it was "White Supremacist" nonsense.

If the link in question was to say, [example] John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, you wouldn't be able to smear them so drastically without making yourself look foolish. Instead you would call them pseudo-intellectuals, & totally brush off their work as though they were somehow mentally disturbed.

[koch curve]

I use to do just that, but not anymore. I grow tired doing tricks for you Satanic Jews. Any link I would give you would say it was "White Supremacist" nonsense.

If the link in question was to say, [example] John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, you wouldn't be able to smear them so drastically without making yourself look foolish. Instead you would call them pseudo-intellectuals, & totally brush off their work as though they were somehow mentally disturbed.

wait so basically youre saying you refuse to post your evidence because it would be shot to shit under any reasonable scrutiny :confused:

[koch curve]

i dunno am i just asking in vain or is someone eventually going to stop feeding me this bullshit and actually post some evidence that pearl harbor was a government plot

[Commander]

it would be shot to shit under any reasonable scrutiny :confused:
please re-read paragraph #2 of post #233

[koch curve]

okay still not getting any evidence

[koch curve]

all i want for christmas is some evidence

[banjo_billy]

wait so basically youre saying you refuse to post your evidence because it would be shot to shit under any reasonable scrutiny :confused: No, what he is saying for anyone who can read English, is that it is a waste of time arguing with a lying Jew.

You demand "proof" but when proof of your own lies and treason are presented, suddenly you change the subject or forget to answer the pertinent questions. And this thread is its own proof of what Jews like you are really like.

So, to remind you of questions that you "forgot" to answer, I add this: On Yom Kippur, you Jews recite the Kol Nidre Vow. It is the only prayer that is so "holy" that you actually stand up and recite it three times that "every oath, vow, or pledge that you may make during the next twelve months shall be null and void. The oath shall not be an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. They shall have no force or effect. And further, the Talmud teaches that whenever you take an oath, vow, or pledge, you are to merely remember the Kol Nidre prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and you are exempted from fulfilling those oaths, pledges and vows."

So, you Jews all swear to be liars on your "High Holy Day" of Yum Krapper. What a bunch of frauds and liars that you are! And you have the audacity to demand Truth from everybody else! Hypocrites!!! Deceivers!!! Betrayers!!!

What use is it to discuss Truth with a lying Jew? You take the truth and twist it, you deny the truth and subsitute your lies. You are liars like your Father the Devil.

So, let's hear it, you who are so interested in "proof". Prove what a truthful person you are and write the Kil Nidre Vow on this thread. Prove that you can tell the truth and then perhaps you will be able to know the truth when you hear it.

[koch curve]

good to know you have no idea about judaism in addition to everything else youve been pontificating about :rolleyes:

[koch curve]

but yes in continuation still no evidence being posted

[koch curve]

i mean call me the lying jew but you guys are the ones making up claims and then making bullshit excuses after refusing to post it

[koch curve]

the kol nidre vow explicitly refers only to personal vows made between the self and god but yeah i guess if you want to outright lie and make shit up like you accuse me of doing this somehow relates to you still not being able to come up with any evidence that pearl harbor was a government plot

[banjo_billy]

good to know you have no idea about judaism in addition to everything else youve been pontificating about :rolleyes:
Ah yes, only a Jew knows about Judaism. So, let's start with the Kil Nidre Vow. Write it. And let's discuss how much YOU know about Judaism, you liar.

[koch curve]

Ah yes, only a Jew knows about Judaism. So, let's start with the Kil Nidre Vow. Write it. And let's discuss how much YOU know about Judaism, you liar.

"All personal vows we are likely to make, all personal oaths and pledges we are likely to take between this Yom Kippur and the next Yom Kippur, we publicly renounce. Let them all be relinquished and abandoned, null and void, neither firm nor established. Let our personal vows, pledges and oaths be considered neither vows nor pledges nor oaths."

but yeah now that weve successfully diverted the argument away from you guys still not being able to post any evidence of pearl harbor being a government plot and onto you guys calling me a liar because im asking you to back up claims you have made i guess you can admit you dont really know anything about kol nidre aside from things you read on various wn sites

[koch curve]

but yeah hey im going to watch lord of the rings because its on tnt and maybe when i come back someone will post some evidence but somehow i doubt it

[banjo_billy]

the kol nidre vow explicitly refers only to personal vows made between the self and god but yeah i guess if you want to outright lie and make shit up like you accuse me of doing this somehow relates to you still not being able to come up with any evidence that pearl harbor was a government plotPearl Harbor wasn't a "government plot", it was a plot by the Jews in government to pull America into a war against Germany. The Jew, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, orchastrated Pearl Harbor and with that was able to bring us into war against the only people in Europe who knew the truth about the demon Jews, the great and heroic people of Germany.

Just like the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center, Pearl Harbor was an "inside job". And the Jews were behind both plots.

Read this book for all the proof you need: "Day of Deceit: The Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor"
by Robert B. Stinnett

[koch curve]

Pearl Harbor wasn't a "government plot", it was a plot by the Jews in government to pull America into a war against Germany. The Jew, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, orchastrated Pearl Harbor and with that was able to bring us into war against the only people in Europe who knew the truth about the demon Jews, the great and heroic people of Germany.

Just like the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center, Pearl Harbor was an "inside job". And the Jews were behind both plots.

oh sorry, my mistake


could you provide evidence that pearl harbor was a jewish plot please?

[guy]

oh sorry, my mistake


could you provide evidence that pearl harbor was a jewish plot please?
Or that FDR was jewish.

[Commander]

but yes in continuation still no evidence being posted
Here is something I found real quick, bear in mind the site owner is a Jew

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/WOO203A.html

[koch curve]

Here is something I found real quick, bear in mind the site owner is a Jew

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/WOO203A.html

THANK GOD!