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Stick to the Facts
12-03-2006, 11:18 PM
Which of the following is true?

1) Hitler was part Jewish

2) Hitler had an incestuous affair with his niece, or

3) All of the above

Kodos
12-03-2006, 11:32 PM
Im not a fan of Hitler, the part jewish thing is conjecture (its possible but probably not true).

The niece thing is more likely but not proven...

"Stick to the Facts" isn't the best name for you as this would be labeled "hearsay" and "conjecture" in court... (unless the insanity of modern courts have gone farther).

Starr
12-03-2006, 11:33 PM
This is or most definitely will turn into lounge material.

Slavic Enforcer
12-03-2006, 11:49 PM
He had definitely jewish ancestors. Hitler is a jewish name.

Stick to the Facts
12-03-2006, 11:52 PM
Im not a fan of Hitler, the part jewish thing is conjecture (its possible but probably not true).

The niece thing is more likely but not proven...

"Stick to the Facts" isn't the best name for you as this would be labeled "hearsay" and "conjecture" in court... (unless the insanity of modern courts have gone farther).

Not in a German court it wouldn't - in fact pretty much only the US has a hearsay rule to exclude evidence.

Furthermore, birth certificates and other official government documents are not hearsay even in the US. (public records exception, records of vital statistics exception)

Also, statements by other people about rumors of someone's family history are not hearsay (Reputation Concerning Personal or Family History exception)

Furthermore, there is a letter where hitler talks about how he loves his niece and would marry her if he did not wish to remain single - which would not be hearsay (declaration against interest exception).

As for "conjecture" - there is no "conjecture" rule of evidence. If you mean "statement of opinion", opinions can certainly be admissible. Here, it would not be hearsay (Reputation Concerning Personal or Family History exception).

See Federal Rules of Evidence rule 803

Stick to the Facts
12-03-2006, 11:53 PM
This is or most definitely will turn into lounge material.

I fail to see how it is less meritorious than at least 2 other threads currently on going here.

Very interesting that this particular poll was singled out but the others weren't sent to the gutter.

Kodos
12-04-2006, 12:00 AM
Not in a German court it wouldn't - in fact pretty much only the US has a hearsay rule to exclude evidence.

Furthermore, birth certificates and other official government documents are not hearsay even in the US. (public records exception, records of vital statistics exception)

Of course birth certificates are not hearsay. They don't know who his grandfather was. http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_325b.html

Also, statements by other people about rumors of someone's family history are not hearsay (Reputation Concerning Personal or Family History exception)

You gotta be kidding me that isn't hearsay?

Furthermore, there is a letter where hitler talks about how he loves his niece and would marry her if he did not wish to remain single - which would not be hearsay (declaration against interest exception).

I haven't seen this letter but no that shouldn't be hearsay.

As for "conjecture" - there is no "conjecture" rule of evidence. If you mean "statement of opinion", opinions can certainly be admissible. Here, it would not be hearsay (Reputation Concerning Personal or Family History exception).

Okay.

Stick to the Facts
12-04-2006, 12:05 AM
I am trying to make a point through this poll.

Limiting the options in this way is a form of "complex question" or "loaded question" fallacy - ie it presupposes that one of the options must be true, because there is no option available free of the supposition that at least one is true.

It is also an example of the "false dilemma" fallacy (actually here it would specifically be a false trilemma). IE a limited number of options are presented as the only options, when other options may be possible.

At least in my poll, both of the options are supported by at least some evidence.

In the Holocaust poll, there is no evidence that suggests that the Holocaust transpired within the narrow, literal terms of the option. The only other option is that it did not happen (which one might argue has some evidence, although taht evidence is extremely weak to say the least.)

In the which is more simian, asians or africans poll, the respondent is required to choose between two completely subjective choices. There is no option possible for someone who thinks neither is simian - or for someone who things they are equally simian for that matter.

And yet, this poll is placed in the gutter, while the others are not. Interesting.

Stick to the Facts
12-04-2006, 12:12 AM
Of course birth certificates are not hearsay. They don't know who his grandfather was. http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_325b.html

You gotta be kidding me that isn't hearsay?

I'm afraid not.

Rule 803. Hearsay Exceptions; Availability of Declarant Immaterial

The following are not excluded by the hearsay rule, even though the declarant is available as a witness:

(19) Reputation concerning personal or family history. Reputation among members of a person's family by blood, adoption, or marriage, or among a person's associates, or in the community, concerning a person's birth, adoption, marriage, divorce, death, legitimacy, relationship by blood, adoption, or marriage, ancestry, or other similar fact of personal or family history.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rules.htm#Rule803

Kodos
12-04-2006, 12:16 AM
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I am trying to make a point through this poll.

Limiting the options in this way is a form of "complex question" or "loaded question" fallacy - ie it presupposes that one of the options must be true, because there is no option available free of the supposition that at least one is true.

It is also an example of the "false dilemma" fallacy (actually here it would specifically be a false trilemma). IE a limited number of options are presented as the only options, when other options may be possible.

At least in my poll, both of the options are supported by at least some evidence.

In the Holocaust poll, there is no evidence that suggests that the Holocaust transpired within the narrow, literal terms of the option. The only other option is that it did not happen (which one might argue has some evidence, although taht evidence is extremely weak to say the least.)

The holocaust deniers are less popular then you think here... they've been crushed numerous times before you came along (one of the few good things Potyondi did) hes watching this thread now. Starting threads on the holocaust is annoying... we shouldn't do it just crush the idiots when they open their trap.

In time I am confident Emperor_Flak will consent to the general supression of the topic :D.

Starr
12-04-2006, 12:25 AM
I fail to see how it is less meritorious than at least 2 other threads currently on going here.

Very interesting that this particular poll was singled out but the others weren't sent to the gutter.


I see you are referring to the holocaust polls, the difference as I would see it is that no matter how faulty you might see them to be, they are in the appropriate section(provided they stay in the revisionist as opposed to actual history section) I don't really think in my opinion that a poll dealing with Hitler being jewish or talking about his sex life is appropriate for the high brow history section. And you know what direction the topic is going to head in. That was the only reason it was "singled out." I am not one of those that have a Hitler fetish or anything of that nature, so it is absoultely not a question of me personally not liking or being "offended" by the poll and thread, if that is what you are suggesting.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-04-2006, 12:26 AM
As much as I would love Hitler to be part Jewish, as I could use this to make an ass out of others, I simply don't think it was true.

Stick to the Facts
12-04-2006, 12:28 AM
The holocaust deniers are less popular then you think here... they've been crushed numerous times before you came along (one of the few good things Potyondi did) hes watching this thread now. Starting threads on the holocaust is annoying... we shouldn't do it just crush the idiots when they open their trap.

In time I am confident Emperor_Flak will consent to the general supression of the topic :D.

I agree. And yet this poll is relegated to the gutter, while the completely bogus holocaust poll remains in the lyceum.

Stick to the Facts
12-04-2006, 12:29 AM
I see you are referring to the holocaust polls, the difference as I would see it is that no matter how faulty you might see them to be, they are in the appropriate section. I don't really think in my opinion that a poll dealing with Hitler being jewish or talking about his sex like is appropriate for the high brow history section. And you know what direction the topic is going to head in. That was the only reason it was "singled out." I am not one of those that have a Hitler fetish or anything of that nature, so it is absoultely not a question of me personally not liking or being "offended" by the poll and thread, if that is what you are suggesting.

If I erroneously placed this in the wrong subcategory, could it not be moved to a more appropriate one, rather than auto-discarded?

OVERWATCH
12-04-2006, 01:32 AM
There is nowhere near enough evidence to prove either of these accusations.

Furor Teutonicus
12-04-2006, 01:35 AM
Which of the following is true?

1) Hitler was part Jewish

2) Hitler had an incestuous affair with his niece, or

3) All of the above

Very stupid and faux poll ... It has already been proven that Hitler was not part of the Rothschild offspring and the bogus story of a supposed affair with his niece is not true either. Jews are master perverts and will try and smear people the most putrid and disgusting way they can. Just look at the Jewish role in the pornography industry producing the most utterly gross forms of sex as possible. Now come on now, are you going to believe the lying, cheating, and murdering porn peddler Jews over the actual truth ...?

Janus
12-04-2006, 01:45 AM
It has already been proven that Hitler was not part of the Rothschild offspring... Where did you read that?

Keystone
12-04-2006, 01:50 AM
Which of the following is true?

1) Hitler was part Jewish

2) Hitler had an incestuous affair with his niece, or

3) All of the above
4) We don't need another thread about Hitler

Starr
12-04-2006, 01:54 AM
4) We don't need another thread about Hitler

I choose option 4.:p

Kriger
12-04-2006, 02:32 PM
I fail to see how it is less meritorious than at least 2 other threads currently on going here.

Very interesting that this particular poll was singled out but the others weren't sent to the gutter.

It must be another one of those Evil White Racist sabotage things. We are so diabolically clever in our manipulations of the media. Only the quick mind of a lawyer can see through our subterfuge.

We've been had again.

I suppose it would not hold up in court if I firmly and continuously maintained that Hitler did this from the grave? Or so I heard. With proof provided by cut and paste, of course. From Nazi historians. I could even use my imagination to elaborate as necessary. I have a good imagination. Or so I heard.

Fade out, theme from Twilight Zone. Sounds of marching bootjacks and Hitler speeches in the background.

koch curve
12-04-2006, 02:33 PM
i think its potentially true he had jewish ancestry, but its a long shot


the niece thing, on the other hand, is pretty compelling

Dr. Gutberlet
12-04-2006, 02:34 PM
Hitler was neither. I love when zoglings feebly attempt to ruin his reputation.

koch curve
12-04-2006, 02:35 PM
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/nazi/adolf-hitler/geli_raubal.jpg
would you hit it like hitler y/n

Blood Crystal
12-04-2006, 02:42 PM
It isn't true that Hitler had jewish blood. This was all fabricated by the allies and jews themselves. It's also a complete lie that he had an affair with his neice. None of the people living today accusing him of this can prove anything but perpetuate idle gossip. What a stupid poll and daft thread.

Straight Satan
12-06-2006, 06:39 AM
Yeah, this subject has been debunked before. The allegation is that his grandmother as a maid had an affair with a member of the Jew family she worked for; however the the particlular area that they lived in at the time, had expelled all Jews from the area. IIRC this story emanated from one person. There were other things that showed his Jewish roots to be a lie, but I can't recall what they were. His being "one quarter Jewish" can't be categorically ruled out, but it's highly unlikely.

And Hitler isn't a Jew name.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-06-2006, 06:51 AM
Hitler's Dad did change his name. But that doesn't prove anything.

raskalnikov
12-06-2006, 06:59 AM
And yet, this poll is placed in the gutter, while the others are not. Interesting.


That's because nobody has ever presented any evidence whatsoever that Hitler was a red sea pedestrian or that he boned his niece.Nobody,not ever.

Arminius
12-06-2006, 07:10 AM
And Hitler isn't a Jew name.

Why would this matter if his father changed the family name to Hitler before Adolf's birth? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler

Richard Parker
12-06-2006, 07:17 AM
Palp, why do you have that unique way of quoting, italicizing the text rather than using the VB quote tags.

Just curious, all is cool.

Richard Parker
12-06-2006, 07:27 AM
The question of his possible Jewish heritage matters not a whit to me.

Many Jews had a part in the Holocaust apparatus. The overall leader's ethnicity is not important. The lesson of the Holocaust, that any socieity can grow evil and perverted, is.

If Don Black was discovered to be a Fed informer, it won't suddenly make racism vanish from the internet.

Kriger
12-06-2006, 07:34 AM
The question of his possible Jewish heritage matters not a whit to me.

Many Jews had a part in the Holocaust apparatus. The overall leader's ethnicity is not important. The lesson of the Holocaust, that any socieity can grow evil and perverted, is.

If Don Black was discovered to be a Fed informer, it won't suddenly make racism vanish from the internet.

harjit:

While I recognize the fact that all things are relative, at times your basic assumptions and quantum leaps leave me......confused.

Richard Parker
12-06-2006, 07:42 AM
harjit:

While I recognize the fact that all things are relative, at times your basic assumptions and quantum leaps leave me......confused.

What would those be, in this case? I'll try to unconfuse you.

Kriger
12-06-2006, 07:47 AM
What would those be, in this case? I'll try to unconfuse you.

What is evil and perverted about racism?

Richard Parker
12-06-2006, 08:04 AM
What is evil and perverted about racism?

That was to describe the excesses of Holocaust. Or anything similar. As I suggested, such things can (and has) happened in other societies.

The internet racism example using Don Black was seperate, just to illustrate how the leader of a movement is not the movement itself.

Kriger
12-06-2006, 08:08 AM
That was to describe the excesses of Holocaust. Or anything similar. As I suggested, such things can (and has) happened in other societies.

The internet racism example using Don Black was seperate, just to illustrate how the leader of a movement is not the movement itself.

.....Oh.....

Stick to the Facts
12-06-2006, 08:15 AM
"We are so diabolically clever in our manipulations of the media."

Nah, that's not it.

Stick to the Facts
12-06-2006, 08:17 AM
What is evil and perverted about racism?

I wouldn't call racism evil and perverted. I prefer to think of it as self destructive and submoronic.

Kriger
12-06-2006, 09:56 AM
I wouldn't call racism evil and perverted. I prefer to think of it as self destructive and submoronic.

Is there a legal precedent for this or is it merely your uninformed personal opinion?

il ragno
12-06-2006, 10:01 AM
I wouldn't call racism evil and perverted. I prefer to think of it as self destructive and submoronic.

You'd be wrong. Racism is neither evil nor stupid: it's funny. And it's funny because it's true.

As to Hitler's Jewishness or his niece, who cares what he did off the field? It's what Hitler did inside the white lines that put him in the Hall of Fame.

Stick to the Facts
12-06-2006, 10:08 AM
Is there a legal precedent for this or is it merely your uninformed personal opinion?

This in response to: I prefer to think of it as self destructive and submoronic.

Do you really need to ask if it is my personal opinion?

I rest my case.

As for whether there is legal precedent - there is in fact legal precedent for racists to be deemed mentally deficient and incompetent to stand trial, is that what you had in mind?

Hermetic
12-06-2006, 11:58 AM
The jews always project what they are onto thier opponents ie people who tell the truth about thier evil and act in accordence with the truth.


Very stupid and faux poll ... It has already been proven that Hitler was not part of the Rothschild offspring and the bogus story of a supposed affair with his niece is not true either. Jews are master perverts and will try and smear people the most putrid and disgusting way they can. Just look at the Jewish role in the pornography industry producing the most utterly gross forms of sex as possible. Now come on now, are you going to believe the lying, cheating, and murdering porn peddler Jews over the actual truth ...?

Kriger
12-06-2006, 11:59 AM
As for whether there is legal precedent - there is in fact legal precedent for racists to be deemed mentally deficient and incompetent to stand trial, is that what you had in mind?

If that is the case, you need start a thread on that enlightening topic.

In the meantime, unless you have proof that Hitler was of jewish descent and/or that he was having sexual relations with his niece, this is a stupid thread.

Hrolf Kraki
12-06-2006, 03:40 PM
Where is the 'neither' option?

Aryan Imperium
12-06-2006, 08:13 PM
Where`s the category for `neither`?:confused:

Lily
12-06-2006, 08:21 PM
I think he was making a point. Sort of like how there was no 'neither' in the "who is most ape-like thread."

Hachiko
12-06-2006, 08:34 PM
Didn't Hitler have a fetish for Golden Showers as well?

Hrolf Kraki
12-06-2006, 08:34 PM
I think he was making a point. Sort of like how there was no 'neither' in the "who is most ape-like thread."

His point is idiotic. There is absolutely NO evidence whatsoever that would lead anyone to believe with any shred of confidence that Hitler was part Jewish or was fucking his niece. The latter is just sick!!

Hrolf Kraki
12-06-2006, 08:36 PM
Didn't Hitler have a fetish for Golden Showers as well?

No. Liberals spread these lies to make Hitler look like a sexual deviant of sorts. Although aren't liberals supposed to praise people for being weird and different?

Furor Teutonicus
12-06-2006, 10:16 PM
Where did you read that?

Where did you read that Hitler was related to the Rothschild's? Must have been some text written or highly approved by the lying, cheating, and murdering Jew ...

Hachiko
12-06-2006, 10:23 PM
No. Liberals spread these lies to make Hitler look like a sexual deviant of sorts. Although aren't liberals supposed to praise people for being weird and different?
Yes but
Hitler=Bad (Booooo,hisssssss)
Teh Cockknockery=Good (Yeeeeeaaaaah, enjoy ur AIDS)

Ravenheart
12-06-2006, 10:31 PM
He had definitely jewish ancestors. Hitler is a jewish name.

lol First of all, Hitler's father had assumed the name of his stepfather, Hiedler (later spelled Hitler); Adolf's grandmother was named Schicklgruber, while the identity man who impregnated her with Adolf's father is not entirely clear. Whether or not Hitler is a name of Jewish origin is therefore irrelevant to Hitler's ancestry. Second, the name Hitler is probably of Germanic origin, meaning "one who lives in a hut", or "shepherd".

Starr
12-06-2006, 10:31 PM
Although aren't liberals supposed to praise people for being weird and different?

They go beyond praising and actually celebrate all kinds of oddities and sexual deviances. So it is strange that when they don't like someone, this is the kind of crap they throw out. In doing this aren't they being a little intolerant of their beloved alternative lifestyles?

WFHermans
12-06-2006, 10:32 PM
Typical case of jewish projection. We all know who the real murderers and perverts are, check out the Old Testament, world history and the present state of Israel. See http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17310 and vote to show what you think of perverted jews.

Hrolf Kraki
12-06-2006, 10:38 PM
They go beyond praising and actually celebrate all kinds of oddities and sexual deviances. So it is strange that when they don't like someone, this is the kind of crap they throw out. In doing this aren't they being a little intolerant of their beloved alternative lifestyles?

Precisely.

Sulla the Dictator
12-07-2006, 12:26 AM
The niece thing is more likely but not proven...


Its about as certain as these things ever get. :p

Hitler was not a healthy person, psychologically.

Janus
12-07-2006, 01:26 AM
Where did you read that Hitler was related to the Rothschild's? The concept of the "burden of proof (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof)" appears to be difficult for some members here to comprehend. :rolleyes:

Keystone
12-07-2006, 01:30 AM
Hitler was not a healthy person, psychologically.
Tin gods rarely are.

WFHermans
12-07-2006, 02:02 PM
Stick to the Facts can't take what he dishes out. Typical jew.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-07-2006, 04:44 PM
They go beyond praising and actually celebrate all kinds of oddities and sexual deviances. So it is strange that when they don't like someone, this is the kind of crap they throw out. In doing this aren't they being a little intolerant of their beloved alternative lifestyles?
I don't think its just liberals who are bashing Hitler. It is also conservatives.