Interview with Tom Metzger.

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Tom Metzger Interview
By a Poland Associate - May/17/2005



1. What were the events that led up you to embark on with White Aryan Resistance?

Simple observation of trends. It was a long evolution from 1964 until now.

2. Lets get it straight. Is White Aryan Resistance a right wing organization? Do you identify yourself with the right wing movement?

No, I do not identify with the right wing. I was a right winger into the 70's but I left the right in late 70's. The right is so reactionary it goes nowhere.

3. "they mislead their followers" you said. What do you mean by "misleading"? Convincing the members of their organizations that two plus two equals five?

They do the same old failed things over and over never winning anything. They waste time with uniforms and flags and rallies. I promote revolution against the Capitalists and the Social Marxists.

4. In other words. You encourage to resist the "status quo" but simultaneously exhort for abandoning the right wing organizations But as far as I can see the right wingers attack the government too. Does "enemy of my enemy is my friend" work?

Not when their methods are bankrupt. They also spend to much time damning the communists when for the most part the capitalists are the force to be reckoned with. The right thinks they can get money support from the Conservative right wing wealthy. We don't !We never did. Many still believe in party politics or just education. Nothing changes without blood flowing.

5. Knowing what you think about the right wing movement I would like to know where the WAR stands/exists? Neither right wing nor left wing, than where?

I use some right ideas, some left ideas and some all our own. I mix it all together. Go to resist.com and find our positions and you will see.

6. I suppose that here in Europe the meaning of the right wing differs from the American one. Who are right wingers in the states? Any examples? Because from the European point of view I would label WAR as a right wing group...

In Europe the right wing is bogged down in Nationalism in most cases and still fighting so called Reds. A White German would rather smash a White Pole than smash a Nigger. Or a White Englishman would rather smash a White Frenchman than a Jew! Crazy!

In the U.S the right is very wide. From Neo con's to almost Anarchist. They are Quasi racist but most deny being racist when questioned by the press. We are proud to say we are racist and hate to see Whites fighting each other. I oppose the Wars. U.S Civil WAR, WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, Iraq. They are all capitalist WARS and terrible for the White Race. Our enemy's are the transnational corporations, The political parties, the Jews, etc. The press lump us all together as right wing. I reject that. I would rather recruit a Racist left winger than a right winger.

7. Why does WAR operate without membership cards, etc? What are the positive aspects stemming from it?

Yes, we carry no cards. We wear no uniforms. Our Skin is our uniform! We operate as covertly as possible embracing the lone wolf or cell structure. We network but not through a rigid hierarchy. We do not reject either hate or violence. If need be we embrace them both. We hate those in power in Washington D.C. and anything bad that happens to them is good for us.

Most of our meetings are one on one. No big meetings where government agents are always around. I like the methods of the old IRA or the Bahder Meinhoff. Their Tactics not necessarily their ideology.

8. What is your "modus operandi" to resist ZOG? What way of resistance would you advice? To stop paying taxes.........?

To travel at periscope depth. Quietly move in the public. As Mao said, The revolutionary swims in the sea of the people. Network and promote White tribalism.

9. The left wing movement seems to be well organized. They operate at many levels, I would say from Greenpeace to Antifa fighting against police. How would you explain that a well educated youth boosts left wingers ranks instead of ours?

The left wing is only successful as long as the Jews and White traitors lead it. The left is controlled as tightly as the right.

Yes, That is why the right wing loses. It recruits the wrong people. Recruit radical people. Some of the best are on the left. We demand one thing LOYALTY TO RACE SURVIVAL. All the rest can be argued but in most cases I am closer to the left. Anti WAR, Anti Capitalist, pro environment and Nature, hate for the lying super rich or the lumkin proletariat, hatred of all present politicians, hatred of equality, love of environment, believe in limiting non white world populations by any means possible, reject Christianity as a slave religion that is the enemy of the race. ETC. I see that as pretty left not right.

10. What kind of the political system would be the best for the whites to live peacefully?

All systems are oligarchy. There is no other. They ad trappings such as the silly Democracy title but all governments are rule by the few no matter what you call them. It follows that we desire a White Racist non Colonial, Non empire White nation who ever supports that we will support. We are also White Pan Aryanist or Pan White supporting Whites all over the World. We will fight race destruction through thick and thin and never CO exist voluntarily with it.

11. What is your opinion about Manson and his group? Why am I asking? Because some of his utterances seem to be interesting, but I would say it about swastika on his forehead.........Do you take him seriously?

How would you explain the fact that a serial killer are sometimes more popular than a rock star? Yes, but its all useless fetish. Manson is a con and always has been. He talks gibberish most of the time but once in a while makes a true statement. I told the Satanist's they were nuts to promote him. That Swastika on his for head is just more con. Almost as big a con as the mythical Devil.

12. What about Mason and his book "Siege"? Should it be read by the racialists? Could you tell me what is that book about in the nutshell? By the way who is Mason?

Siege is a great book and James Mason in the past has been a revolutionary innovator. He took national Socialism out of the reactionary right and packaged it as a revolutionary struggle. In the way Joseph Tommassi broke with the conservative Nazi, s. Unfortunately he turned away from his best thoughts back toward some Christian thing. I don't know where he is now but I promote and sell his great book.

13. Does "Leaderless Resistance" work? Do you consider The Order as a group that adopted Leaderless Resistance and started using it?

Yes, they did but in a very crude form. They recruited to many men and their targets were not the right people. They did not really operate as Lone Wolves or in a desirable network. However I admire them and support their efforts. It was the first time people from the right struck out as true revolutionaries.

14. Can Paul Franklin be conceived as a follower of LR? Do you see any positive aspects of his activity?

Sowing the fear in the enemies hearts is respected but at the same time the media portray him as a ruthless killer therefore an average citizen instead of joining the movement assumes that "we" should be avoided and cured.

We care little about what the average citizen thinks. If their were more Franklin operations it could help the cause much more than right wing activity. A hundred Franklin's moving quietly around the country would cause a tremendous uproar and chaos. It could prepare the way for more important action.

15. There was once a group named "Knights of Freedom" whose leader was Decker and his original name is Greenbaum. As far as I can see his group hard core NEO nazis does not exist, but I would like to ask you why the Jews join our movement? Were there other Jews who joined to movement beside Knights of Freedom?

That's not strange at all. The Jews tried to join Hitler. One was even in the first few that joined. The reason the Jews hate Nazis is primarily because they didn't come up with the idea first. The group you mentioned was just another Hollywood Nazi style group. Their dozens of them in this country. Uniform freaks, malcontents, father fetishes and even Homo sexuals. They don't even know that National socialism was a leftist idea. Here they sound like National capitalists. They love To dress up and march around while the police save them every time. They never think of clever ways to beat their opposition in the shadows. They always stand up and say HIT ME!! Its so embarrassing. When I did it in the 70's and 80's we crushed the communist race mixers. We beat them bloody and were never arrested or saved by police. In almost all cases now the police are as much an enemy as the others.

16. It seems that you consider Pastor Butler as a hero but at the same time you frown upon Christianity...More, "Christian Identity" merits no respect because that's pure stupidity trying to "aryanise" Jesus, so, how can you hail a person responsible for it and at the same time encouraging to refuse Christianity?

I was once of his belief but in 1980 I left that belief. Richard Butler and I were personal friends for over 25 years. We just agreed not to fight over religion. A friend is a friend! When we go to WAR I will not ask the White Racist next to me what is he Christian or Atheist? I will only expect him or her to kill the enemy as I will. We can debate later over some beer!






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The reason the Jews hate Nazis is primarily because they didn't come up with the idea first.

But the Jews did "come up with the idea first"! The Jewish nature of Fascism and National Socialism is evident when one considers the messianic aspect of the two movements. While Jewish Christianity had Jesus as its savior and redeemer, Fascism and National Socialism had the Duce and the Fuehrer. Also, according to Kevin MacDonald, National Socialism is basically Judaism for Aryans:

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/SAIDCHAP5+Ref.pdf

Constantin

[Larrikin]

woo-ho... everyone's shivering in his bed right now... a tv mechanic with reluctance to form any kind of organization is going to WAR... :D

[Warka]

woo-ho... everyone's shivering in his bed right now... a tv mechanic with reluctance to form any kind of organization is going to WAR... :D

The article and post are from 2005. von Hasselhoff is necromancing.

[Kamandi]

woo-ho... everyone's shivering in his bed right now... a tv mechanic with reluctance to form any kind of organization is going to WAR... :D
A TV mechanic and welfare recipient with a $12.5 million wrongful death judgment hanging over his head, no less.

[Thomas777]

A TV mechanic and welfare recipient with a $12.5 million wrongful death judgment hanging over his head, no less.

I don't care about Metzger one way or the other, but its your team that has been telling us for 30 years that TV mechanics like Metzger, assclown garage musicians like George Burdi, and Dungeons and Dragons geeks like Matt Hale are a threat to Western Civilization.

If it weren't for anti-racists, I wouldn't even know who any of these people are.

[Kamandi]

Don't know about "threat to Western civilization" but they've sure proven to be a threat to the victims of people like Ben Smith, Robert Matthews, etc, not to mention the many more people whose lives have been screwed up and wasted by joining them.

[Warka]

Don't know about "threat to Western civilization" but they've sure proven to be a threat to the victims of people like Ben Smith, Robert Matthews, etc, not to mention the many more people whose lives have been screwed up and wasted by joining them.

Well, then, take a stance and stick to it. Is Metzger a harmless old TV-repairman nutter or Public Enemy Number One?

[Thomas777]

Don't know about "threat to Western civilization" but they've sure proven to be a threat to the victims of people like Ben Smith, Robert Matthews, etc, not to mention the many more people whose lives have been screwed up and wasted by joining them.

Some fringe lunatics commit a handful of homicides over three decades while shouting 'What Pare!', so the solution is to incorporate lavishly funded non profits dedicated to the Quixotic task of 'fighting hate' while diligently soliciting substantial donations from Jewish octegenerians by mailing them glossy newsletters informing them that Jeff Schoep and his five Trekkie friends are 'building a juggernaut' that will soon be turning Yeshiva students into lampshades and steering wheel covers after they (armed with Pabst Blue Ribbon and reproduction SA uniforms) conquer the country .

Is that a good summary?

[Kamandi]

Well, then, take a stance and stick to it. Is Metzger a harmless old TV-repairman nutter or Public Enemy Number One?
Public Enemy #1?! He's not even Public Enemy #1000!

[Kamandi]

Some fringe lunatics commit a handful of homicides over three decades while shouting 'What Pare!', so the solution is to incorporate lavishly funded non profits dedicated to the Quixotic task of 'fighting hate' while diligently soliciting substantial donations from Jewish octegenerians by mailing them glossy newsletters informing them that Jeff Schoep and his five Trekkie friends are 'building a juggernaut' that will soon be turning Yeshiva students into lampshades and steering wheel covers after they (armed with Pabst Blue Ribbon and reproduction SA uniforms) conquer the country .

Is that a good summary?
Overlooking the silly hyperbole, it's worth noting that the entire movement is made up of "fringe lunatics" who now have a global soapbox for recruitment thanks to technomedia.

If non-profits wish to canvas and concerned citizens donate, it's hardly my place to tell them it's an unworthy cause. There's a lot of rotting corpses in Oklahoma City who'd feel otherwise if they could.

[Warka]

Public Enemy #1?! He's not even Public Enemy #1000!

Very well. I assume we can expect to see him removed from the ADL's and SPLC's "40 to Watch" lists and such then? After all, there are many folks more dangerous than him out there, right?

[Thomas777]

Overlooking the silly hyperbole, it's worth noting that the entire movement is made up of "fringe lunatics" who now have a global soapbox for recruitment thanks to technomedia.
Kamandi, nobody joins 'What Pare' groups. The interplay between you guys (the antis) and your sworn, White Trashionalist enemies is some sort of running LARP game that you all have convinced yourselves is real. Its positively Manichean, in all honesty...I noticed that when I watched the youtube vid of the VNN Knoxville 'rally'. One one side, were a bunch of Ed Gein lookalikes, ferris wheel mechanics, and bucktoothed townies with Luftwaffe caps on that they filched from their granddaddy's closet, and across the street opposing them were a bunch of fat chicks, ex-high school band geeks with severe psoriasis, and flaming homos in clown makeup. In other words, for every Mike Mazzone, there exists and equally mentally retarded and dysgenic (yet 'ideologically' opposed) BenFromCanada.

If non-profits wish to canvas and concerned citizens donate, it's hardly my place to tell them it's an unworthy cause. There's a lot of rotting corpses in Oklahoma City who'd feel otherwise if they could.

Well, McVeigh was a young man who had his mind ruined when he was ordered by his Government to murder Iraqi people for no justifiable reason, and he acted on his own. He wasn't part of your 'What Pare!'/Degrassi Jr. High LARP, so I don't see your point. Whether or not Esther Rosenbaum in Miami Beach donated to Morris Dees cocaine, Paris vacation, and $4000 suit fund really had zero bearing on anything McVeigh would or would not have done.

[Kamandi]

I hardly think the SPLC and ADL are suggesting that the FBI should add them to their Most Wanted List or even that they're necessarily guilty of any current federal offenses.

If they think they're the most influential racist leaders, they're certainly entitled to say so. Regardless, that doesn't mean they're our most dangerous criminal scofflaws on that basis.

[Kamandi]

Kamandi, nobody joins 'What Pare' groups. The interplay between you guys (the antis) and your sworn, White Trashionalist enemies is some sort of running LARP game that you all have convinced yourselves is real. Its positively Manichean, in all honesty...I noticed that when I watched the youtube vid of the VNN Knoxville 'rally'. One one side, were a bunch of Ed Gein lookalikes, ferris wheel mechanics, bucktoothed townies with Luftwaffe caps on that they filched from their granddaddy's closet, and across the street opposing them were a bunch of fat chicks, ex-high school band geeks with severe psoriasis, and flaming homos in clown makeup. In other words, for every Mike Mazzone, there exists and equally mentally retarded and dysgenic (yet 'ideologically' opposed) BenFromCanada.
I don't see Ben recruiting anyone for the RAHOWA. I do see the Creativity Movement doing so.

Ben: 1 -- WN: 0

Well, McVeigh was a young man who had his mind ruined when he was ordered by his Government to murder Iraqi people for no justifiable reason
So were lots of other young men. Of course, the Kuwaitis didn't think it was so "unjustifiable."

and he acted on his own.
No, he didn't.


He wasn't part of your 'What Pare!'/Degrassi Jr. High LARP, so I don't see your point. Whether or not Esther Rosenbaum in Miami Beach donated to Morris Dees cocaine, Paris vacation, and $4000 suit fund really had zero bearing on anything McVeigh would or would not have done.
Dude, even the most sympathetic to McVeigh admit that white supremacist literature and connections to survival rightists like Terry Nichols probably gained from acquaintance with WP-type circles were his primary influences. He fucking re-enacted a page straight from The Turner Diaries!

While I don't know anything about Dees's accounting practices, if the SPLC helps put even a little pressure on the groups that helped indoctrinated an at-risk kid like McVeigh or gain even the slightest recompense for victims of other WN violence, it's worth a tax deduction.

[Warka]

While I don't know anything about Dees's accounting practices, if the SPLC helps put even a little pressure on the groups that helped indoctrinated an at-risk kid like McVeigh or gain even the slightest recompense for victims of other WN violence, it's worth a tax deduction.

At-risk kid? McVeigh was an honorably discharged veteran of the United States Army who earned a Bronze Star during Gulf War I, 28-years-old when he burned the Feds. Trying to turn him into an impressionable teenager is absurd.

[Fernando Wood]

Here’s some information about “Dees’s accounting practices”, among other things.

http://www.americanpatrol.com/SPLC/ChurchofMorrisDees001100.html
The Church of Morris Dees
By Ken Silverstein -- Harper's Magazine, November 2000
How the Southern Poverty Law Center profits from intolerance
Ah, tolerance. Who could be against something so virtuous? And who could object to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the Montgomery, Alabama-based group that recently sent out this heartwarming yet mildly terrifying appeal to raise money for its "Teaching Tolerance" program, which prepares educational kits for schoolteachers? Cofounded in 1971 by civil rights lawyer cum direct-marketing millionaire Morris Dees, a leading critic of "hate groups" and a man so beatific that he was the subject of a made-for-TV movie, the SPLC spent much of its early years defending prisoners who faced the death penalty and suing to desegregate all-white institutions like Alabama's highway patrol. That was then.
Today, the SPLC spends most of its time--and money--on a relentless fund-raising campaign, peddling memberships in the church of tolerance with all the zeal of a circuit rider passing the collection plate. "He's the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker of the civil rights movement," renowned anti- death-penalty lawyer Millard Farmer says of Dees, his former associate, "though I don!t mean to malign Jim and Tammy Faye." The Center earned $44 million last year alone--$27 million from fund-raising and $17 million from stocks and other investments--but spent only $13 million on civil rights program , making it one of the most profitable charities in the country.
The Ku Klux Klan, the SPLC's most lucrative nemesis, has shrunk from 4 million members in the 1920s to an estimated 2,000 today, as many as 10 percent of whom are thought to be FBI informants <http://www.servtech.com/~grugyn/kkk-5.htm> . But news of a declining Klan does not make for inclining donations to Morris Dees and Co., which is why the SPLC honors nearly every nationally covered "hate crime" with direct-mail alarums full of nightmarish invocations of "armed Klan paramilitary forces" and "violent neo-Nazi extremists," and why Dees does legal battle almost exclusively with mediagenic villains-like Idaho's arch-Aryan Richard Butler-eager to show off their swastikas for the news cameras.
In 1987, Dees won a $7 million judgment against the United Klans of America on behalf of Beulah Mae Donald, whose son was lynched by two Klansmen. The UKA's total assets amounted to a warehouse whose sale netted Mrs. Donald $51,875. According to a groundbreaking series of newspaper stories in the Montgomery Advertiser, the SPLC, meanwhile, made $9 million from fund-raising solicitations featuring the case, including one containing a photo of Michael Donald's corpse.
Horrifying as such incidents are, hate groups commit almost no violence. More than 95 percent of all "hate crimes," including most of the incidents SPLC letters cite (bombings, church burnings, school shootings), are perpetrated by "lone wolves." Even Timothy McVeigh, subject of one of the most extensive investigations in the FBI's history-and one of the most extensive direct-mail campaigns in the SPLC's-was never credibly linked to any militia organization.
No faith healing or infomercial would be complete without a moving testimonial. The student from whose tears this white schoolteacher learned her lesson is identified only as a child of color. "Which race," we are assured, "does not matter." Nor apparently does the specific nature of "the racist acts directed at him," nor the race of his schoolyard tormentors. All that matters, in fact, is the race of the teacher and those expiating tears. "I wept with him, feeling for once, the depth of his hurt," she confides. "His tears washed away the film that had distorted my white perspective of the world." Scales fallen from her eyes, what action does this schoolteacher propose? What Gandhi-like disobedience will she undertake in order to "reach real peace in the world"? She doesn't say but instead speaks vaguely of acting out against "the pain." In the age of Oprah and Clinton, empathy--or the confession thereof--is an end in itself.
Any good salesman knows that a products "value" is a highly mutable quality with little relation to actual worth, and Morris Dees-who made millions hawking, by direct mail, such humble commodities as birthday cakes, cookbooks (including Favorite Recipes of American Home Economics Teachers), tractor seat cushions, rat poison, and, in exchange for a mailing list containing 700,000 names, presidential candidate George McGovern-is nothing if not a good salesman. So good in fact that in 1998 the Direct Marketing Association inducted him into its Hall of Fame. "I learned everything I know about hustling from the Baptist Church," Dees has said. "Spending Sundays on those hard benches listening to the preacher pitch salvation-why, it was like getting a Ph.D. in selling." Here, Dr. Dees (the letter's nominal author) masterfully transforms, with a mere flourish of hyperbole, an education kit available "at cost" for $30 on the SPLC website into "a $325 value."
This is one of the only places in this letter where specific races are mentioned. Elsewhere, Dees and his copywriters, deploying an arsenal of passive verbs and vague abstractions, have sanitized the usually divisive issue of race of its more disturbing elements-such as angry black people-and for good reason: most SPLC donors are white. Thus, instead of concrete civil rights issues like housing discrimination and racial profiling, we get "communities seething with racial violence." Instead of racially biased federal sentencing laws, or the disparity between poor predominantly black schools and affluent white ones, or the violence against illegals along the Mexican border, the SPLC gives us "intolerance against those who are different," turning bigotry into a color-blind, equal-opportunity sin. It's reassuring to know that "Caucasians" are no more and no less guilty of this sin than African Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and Hispanics. In the eyes of Morris Dees, we're all sinners, all victims, and all potential contributors.
Morris Dees doesn't need your financial support. The SPLC is already the wealthiest civil rights group in America, though this letter quite naturally omits that fact. Other solicitations have been more flagrantly misleading. One pitch, sent out in 1995-when the Center had more than $60 million in reserves-informed would-be donors that the "strain on our current operating budget is the greatest in our 25-year history." Back in 1978, when the Center had less than $10 million, Dees promised that his organization would quit fund-raising and live off interest as soon as its endowment hit $55 million. But as it approached that figure, the SPLC upped the bar to $100 million, a sum that, one 1989 newsletter promised, would allow the Center "to cease the costly and often unreliable task of fund raising. " Today, the SPLC's treasury bulges with $120 million, and it spends twice as much on fund-raising-$5.76 million last year-as it does on legal services for victims of civil rights abuses. The American Institute of Philanthropy gives the Center one of the worst ratings of any group it monitors, estimating that the SPLC could operate for 4.6 years without making another tax-exempt nickel from its investments or raising another tax-deductible cent from well-meaning "people like you."
The SPLC's "other important work justice" consists mainly in spying on private citizens who belong to "hate groups," sharing its files with law-enforcement agencies, and suing the most prominent of these groups for crimes committed independently by their members-a practice that, however seemingly justified, should give civil libertarians pause. The legal strategy employed by Dees could have put the Black Panther Party out of business or bankrupted the New England Emigrant Aid Company in retaliation for crimes committed by John Brown. What the Center's other work for justice does not include is anything that might be considered controversial by donors. According to Millard Farmer, the Center largely stopped taking death-penalty cases for fear that too visible an opposition to capital punishment would scare off potential contributors. In 1986, the Center's entire legal staff quit in protest of Dees's refusal to address issues-such as homelessness, voter registration, and affirmative action-that they considered far more pertinent to poor minorities, if far less marketable to affluent benefactors, than fighting the KKK. Another lawyer, Gloria Browne, who resigned a few years later, told reporters that the Center's programs were calculated to cash in on "black pain and white guilt." Asked in 1994 if the SPLC itself, whose leadership consists almost entirely of white men, was in need of an affirmative action policy, Dees replied that "probably the most discriminated people in America today are white men when it comes to jobs."
Contributors to Teaching Tolerance might be surprised to learn how little of the SPLC's reported educational spending actually goes to education. In response to lobbying by charities, the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants in 1987 began allowing nonprofits to count part of their fundraising costs as "educational" so long as their solicitations contained an informational component. On average, the SPLC classifies an estimated 47 percent of the fund-raising letters that it sends out every year as educational, including many that do little more than instruct potential donors on the many evils of "militant right-wing extremists" and the many splendid virtues of Morris Dees. According to tax documents, of the $10. 8 million in educational spending the SPLC reported in 1999, $4 million went to solicitations. Another $2.4 million paid for stamps.
In the early 1960s, Morris Dees sat on the sidelines honing his direct-marketing skills and practicing law while the civil rights movement engulfed the South. "Morris and I...shared the overriding purpose of making a pile of money," recalls Dees's business partner, a lawyer named Millard Fuller (not to be confused with Millard Farmer). "We were not particular about how we did it; we just wanted to be independently rich." They were so unparticular, in fact, that in 1961 they defended a man, guilty of beating up a journalist covering the Freedom Riders, whose legal fees were paid by the Klan. ("I felt the anger of a black person for the first time," Dees later wrote of the case. "I vowed then and there that nobody would ever again doubt where I stood.") In 1965, Fuller sold out to Dees, donated the money to charity, and later started Habitat for Humanity. Dees bought a 200-acre estate appointed with tennis courts, a pool, and stables, and, in 1971, founded the SPLC, where his compensation has risen in proportion to fund-raising revenues, from nothing in the early seventies to $273,000 last year. A National Journal survey of salaries paid to the top officers of advocacy groups shows that Dees earned more in 1998 than nearly all of the seventy-eight listed, tens of thousands more than the heads of such groups as the ACLU, the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and the Children's Defense Fund. The more money the SPLC receives, the less that goes to other civil rights organizations, many of which, including the NAACP, have struggled to stay out of bankruptcy. Dees's compensation alone amounts to one quarter the annual budget of the Atlanta-based Southern Center for Human Rights, which handles several dozen death-penalty cases a year. "You are a fraud and a conman," the Southern Center's director, Stephen Bright, wrote in a 1996 letter to Dees, and proceeded to list his many reasons for thinking so, which included "your failure to respond to the most desperate needs of the poor and powerless despite your millions upon millions, your fund-raising techniques, the fact that you spend so much, accomplish so little, and promote yourself so shamelessly." Soon the SPLC win move into a new six-story headquarters in downtown Montgomery, just across the street from its current headquarters, a building known locally as the Poverty Palace.

[Sudaev]

A TV mechanic and welfare recipient with a $12.5 million wrongful death judgment hanging over his head, no less.
After being honorably discharged from the US Army Signal Corps in the early 60's, he headed to California and was hired by Douglas Aircraft in Santa Monica, as a primary standards electronics lab technician. He worked in connection with the Apollo space program and as such held a security clearance. He later quit and started a private business, repairing TV sets in a wealthy area near Los Angeles called Rolling Hills.

Metzger managed to own a large house in which he raised six children (and they all turned out OK). He did this mainly while a "TV mechanic", as people like you derisively call him.

Even the Jew Dershowitz said Metzger got screwed, in regards that judgment. What would you have done by now? You probably would have slashed your wrists. By the way, the main witness against him recently admitted that he lied during much of his testimony, at the behest of Morris Dees.

The thing is, he's been able to take hits and keep on going, to get knocked down and get back up and continue his life. When he had all of his assets seized in that judgment, he went out, bought a few tools, and went back to work, as opposed to the snide little remark you made about "welfare" or whatever.

In these days one has to look very hard to find real men, and Metzger is that, whether you agree with him or not.

[Keystone]

At-risk kid? McVeigh was an honorably discharged veteran of the United States Army who earned a Bronze Star during Gulf War I, 28-years-old when he burned the Feds. Trying to turn him into an impressionable teenager is absurd.
McVeigh "burned" infants and children in a day care center, along with the "Feds".

[Non Issue]

And what the hell ever happened to John Metzger?

[Crowley]

Metzger is always a good read. He makes more sense than any other racist leader that I can think of.

[Non Issue]

Metzger is always a good read. He makes more sense than any other racist leader that I can think of.

I always get that tinge of leftism with Metzger, so that might speak to that a little. Then again, he was the most effective propagandist in the WN scene at one time, him and David Duke. That might be due to his third positionist stances.

[Crowley]

I always get that tinge of leftism with Metzger, so that might speak to that a little. Then again, he was the most effective propagandist in the WN scene at one time, him and David Duke. That might be due to his third positionist stances.

I don't care for Metzger's Tim McVeigh Day. I don't believe in the low road when it comes to race politics, but generally, as I said, Metzger is a good writer of no nonsense pro white propaganda.

[Vindex]

It's always funny to watch jews mock White men who do honest work with their hands as "lower" it seems the same group of yids who cry about "class oppression" throw that out the window quick. What would the world be without shekel moving human ticks after all.

[Non Issue]

I don't care for Metzger's Tim McVeigh Day. I don't believe in the low road when it comes to race politics, but generally, as I said, Metzger is a good writer of no nonsense pro white propaganda.

That's because he likes to go where a person is at then bring him to where he is. I can't fault him for that. That's good organizing, what activists should do and have done for generations.

EDIT: Actually, let me correct that. Activists should also listen, because sometimes going where you are at may not always be the best thing to do. I'm not saying that because I don't like Metzger. I'm saying that because too many professional activists have this tunnel vision where nothing matters but their agenda and if you don't listen to the people you are supposed to advocate for, you ain't shit.

[Crowley]

It's always funny to watch jews mock White men who do honest work with their hands as "lower" it seems the same group of yids who cry about "class oppression" throw that out the window quick. What would the world be without shekel moving human ticks after all.

Naw man, I'm not a "yid". That should be clear by now. The concept of Timothy McVeigh Day is horribly misguided and insulting to the memory of those dead kids. If anything is the low road responding to the murder of children (Waco) by murdering more children qualifies.

[Thomas777]

So were lots of other young men. Of course, the Kuwaitis didn't think it was so "unjustifiable."

I'm well aware that a coterie of billionaire Bedouin emirs in Kuwait were delighted to see American youth put on the firing line to defent their little fiefdom. What Kuwait's corrupt elite think is of no concern or interest to me.


Dude, even the most sympathetic to McVeigh admit that white supremacist literature and connections to survival rightists like Terry Nichols probably gained from acquaintance with WP-type circles were his primary influences. He fucking re-enacted a page straight from The Turner Diaries!

McVeigh was a combat veteran and I beleive that he received Special Forces training. I tend to doubt that it was a poorly-written novel like The Turner Diaries that ultimately prompted him to take action against the Government. The only real similarity between McVeigh's attack and the events described in the book is that McVeigh constructed a fertilizer bomb...but that isn't really an exotic instrumentality. I think its clear that McVeigh knew quite a bit more about weapons and explosives than William Pierce did and that the decision to employ fertilizer was simply pragmatic.


While I don't know anything about Dees's accounting practices, if the SPLC helps put even a little pressure on the groups that helped indoctrinated an at-risk kid like McVeigh or gain even the slightest recompense for victims of other WN violence, it's worth a tax deduction.
I don't endorse, condone, or support criminal activity, but the Government should recognize that its actions against the People have consequences. FedGov massacred men women and children at Waco who were exercising their Amendment I and Amendment II rights, and they did so with incredible brutality and prejudice. The fact that one of the Government's own trained killers ultimately responded to that crime with a similar attack against Leviathan is rather demonstrative of its corruption and hubris. Without romanticizing McVeigh or justifying his decision, it sort of reminds me of Roy Batty gouging Tyrell's eyes out.

[Macrobius]

But the Jews did "come up with the idea first"! The Jewish nature of Fascism and National Socialism is evident when one considers the messianic aspect of the two movements. While Jewish Christianity had Jesus as its savior and redeemer, Fascism and National Socialism had the Duce and the Fuehrer. Also, according to Kevin MacDonald, National Socialism is basically Judaism for Aryans:

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/SAIDCHAP5+Ref.pdf

Constantin

I haven't read MacDonald, so I won't comment on the truth of his claims. However, I will point out the criteria by which I would judge them. There is danger, in doing history, of falling into the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy. The similarities between European Nationalism in the century preceding 1945 and Zionism are compelling (and this comparison includes more than just National Socialism or the comparable Nationalist and anti-Semitic movements in Spain, Italy, and Romania). However, to make the case that European Nationalism was invented by the Jews would definitely take a bit of proof, or more precisely, elaboration as to what that might mean. (And I'm sure MacDonald does elaborate on what *he* means, which may not be so general as you have reported to us).

For comparison, look at Toynbee's treatment of Zionism -- this in the days when the British press was not entirely censored -- he treats Zionism generally as a 'successful' adaptation on the part of the Jewish tradesman class in the Levant, to the transitioning European National State. For comparison (important in historical methodology) he compares the fates of the Phanariot and Armenian traders. The former it in more with the older Holy Alliance sort of politics (only with the Ottoman Empire now included among the older, Catholic, powers! -- that of course is secularisation at work).

The point is that the newer, aggressive nationalism of Prussia or Lincoln's Union caught everyone by surprise, both in Europe and the U.S. If the Jews invented the Nazis they'd better have invented Bismarck and Stanton too. I think it more probable that some Jews decided European style Nationalism was the wave of the future, and decided to try for a race-state of their own.

In short, it might be more correct to say the Jews, in evolving and articulating Zionism specifically, were more nearly imitating the race-separatist and nationalist policies of Lincoln [**] and his European counterparts than originating something specifically and natively Jewish. This would push the Judaic background of Nationalism, if we are to insist on it, as adopted from European-American Aryan Race politics, back to movements within the Protestant world (the kulturkampfs of Prussia and the American Union). The protestant reading of the Old Testament certainly informed European and especially Anglo-American Nationalism -- to say Manifest Destiny has overtones of Messianism is a commponplace. But Nationalism, and specifically Darwinian Race-Nationalism, is a common source for both 20th century National Socialism and turn of the century Zionism. However, to say one imitated the other would require more elaboration and substantiation.

[**] something that would foreshadow current Republican politics, and make it more historically coherent that we usually give credit to.

The Jews are great imitators -- to give them credit for all European movements of note is, subtly, a form of propaganda not unlike the ADL/SPLC sort that MacDonald routinely spars with. I hope he hasn't fallen into the trap of believing in the omnipotence of his Enemy. True national genius requires that one actually invent the idea, not merely borrow it successfully.

I posted few more esoteric and geopolitical thoughts on the meaning of Zionism a while back --

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showpost.php?p=385346&postcount=10

[Vindex]

Bardamu I was not referring to you at all so I apologize if you thought I was. I was commenting in general on the jewish attitude that honest men who do honest labour are some how stupid and ignorant hicks because they do not make a living cheating other humans like the merchants of misery they are and making piles of shekels with no effort and dishonesty as they do.

Tim McVeigh was the karma of Waco and I dislike the hyprocrite attitude sounding it. But to be honest in my opinion Tim McVeigh was the creation of a corrupt government system.

Naw man, I'm not a "yid". That should be clear by now. The concept of Timothy McVeigh Day is horribly misguided and insulting to the memory of those dead kids. If anything is the low road responding to the murder of children (Waco) by murdering more children qualifies.

[Crowley]

Bardamu I was not referring to you at all so I apologize if you thought I was. I was commenting in general on the jewish attitude that honest men who do honest labour are some how stupid and ignorant hicks because they do not make a living cheating other humans like the merchants of misery they are and making piles of shekels with no effort and dishonesty as they do.

Tim McVeigh was the karma of Waco and I dislike the hyprocrite attitude sounding it. But to be honest in my opinion Tim McVeigh was the creation of a corrupt government system.

All very good, Vindex. Thanks. I always enjoy your posts. :)