Can Nationalists be mixed?

[MrAngry]

I know many mixed and ethnic Britons who are very nationalistic and are proud to be British. Is this accpetable as it seems to be in the USA.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

It probably would be less acceptable. Because face it, America was made 1776 by recent colonists. That's a different founding history than the way Britain was made.

[Arminius]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evTrY_ABoEE

[benfromcanada]

I know many Britons who are very nationalistic and are proud to be British. Is this accpetable as it seems to be in the USA.
This doesn't make sense, given your title line. Explain? Do you mean mixed racially?

[Winston]

This doesn't make any sense at all.

[MrAngry]

This doesn't make any sense at all.

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[benfromcanada]

I know many mixed and ethnic Britons who are very nationalistic and are proud to be British. Is this accpetable as it seems to be in the USA.
I'd say sure. I don't see why not. It's when you ge tto the "ethnic britons" thing that there's a clash.

[Aryan Imperium]

I'd say sure. I don't see why not. It's when you ge tto the "ethnic britons" thing that there's a clash.

What pray is an `ethnic briton`?

[MrAngry]

What pray is an `ethnic briton`?


Scots, Welsh and some parts of the the South West, the indigenous language of these regions is Gaelic.

[Aryan Imperium]

Scots, Welsh and some parts of the the South West, the indigenous language of these regions is Gaelic.

I agree but I don`t think that this is how Benjamin ben Canada sees it.

[MrAngry]

I agree but I don`t think that this is how Benjamin ben Canada sees it.


Even so, there are Ethinic minority Britons who are nationalistic too, I think this is his point, and mine I suppose. Nationalism isnt the domain of the white population only IMO.

[Hakluyt]

So long as the ethnic character of the nationalism is acknowledged, i.e the non-ethnic individual understands his essential distance from it, and merely offers it his moral support. For example it's accurate to describe white British colonial administrators (or Anglo-Indians for that matter) who wanted independence for India circa the 1920s-1950s as 'Indian nationalists' despite lacking that ethnicity.

[Arminius]

Nationalism isnt the domain of the white population only IMO.

This isn't true for America, most being a white. I'd say that see more flags in white neighborhoods than I see in black neighborhoods. I don't know the reason for this, perhaps it’s because they don't identify with the country, its history or values. Here, you can see some Confederate flags, a reminder of the history of the South. In fact, yesterday I saw two trucks in a row with a Confederate flag on their back windows - a stereotype that holds true. I don't know if this is more patriotic than nationalistic.

[Janus]

...many ...Britons... are very nationalistic and... proud to be British... The "British" are not a nationality.I don't know if this is more patriotic than nationalistic. Neither the U.S.A. nor the C.S.A. were "nations".

[Arminius]

Neither the U.S.A. nor the C.S.A. were "nations".

How do you define nation?

[Janus]

How do you define nation? "Nation" is synonymous to "ethnicity".

[Arminius]

The word nation can also be used to talk about a country. It depends on the intent of the person using the word and the context. America, of course, has no unified ethnic identity, but that doesn't in itself disqualify the USA from being referred to as a nation.

[Hakluyt]

Nationalism isn't synonymous to ethnicity (but it should be). Romantic nationalism, civic nationalism and liberal nationalism were not based on ethnicity, but are still valid concepts, if undesirable.

[SlovenianNationalist]

Romantic nationalism, civic nationalism and liberal nationalism were not based on ethnicity, but are still valid concepts, if undesirable.

Romantic nationalism is a form of ethnic nationalism.

Nation is based on ethnicity, civic nationalism, cultural nationalism, liberal nationalism are a lie and illusion. I'm traditional ethnic nationalist.

P.S.: Just out of interest, how do you anti-racists feel about traditional nationalism?

The word nation can also be used to talk about a country. It depends on the intent of the person using the word and the context. America, of course, has no unified ethnic identity, but that doesn't in itself disqualify the USA from being referred to as a nation.

That's the problem in English language, Slovenian language has two different terms -- narod mean nation in terms of ethnicity or group of people, while nacija is a term used for a specific country (state), like "American nation" for example.

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On the original question -- here nationalists have mostly Slovenian blood, there was some mixing between Slovenians and non-Slovenians in history, as we are a small nation, so many people have some non-Slovenian blood (German, Italian, Hungarian, Croatian...). I don't see that as a problem really, many great Slovenians had some ancestry of other central European nations, but that doesn't make them anything less Slovenians. I rather see patriotic half-Slovenians than some liberal anti-patriotic, anti-nationalist 100% Slovenians.

[Arminius]

@SlovenianNationalist

I agree, it is the english language, and it is seems to be common for people to use nation, as in country (I notice this too often). In german one can use Volk or Land, to differentiate the country from the people. I'm not sure, but I guess that Narod would mean Volk. The English Folk comes from the same etymology, only it's use has faded in English in favor of words of latin derivation.

If someone said in English (as I've heard before), "I love my nation."
I would assume that he meant, "I love my country."
The American Pledge of Allegiance supports this, with its reference as "one nation." Are we one people or one country? Obviously, Americans aren't a homogenous people, nor do Americans identify themselves as a single group (Irish-America, African-American, etc.). It's fractured along ethnic lines.

[SlovenianNationalist]

In german one can use Volk or Land, to differentiate the country from the people. I'm not sure, but I guess that Narod would mean Volk.

Yes, you're right. Volk is the right term in German language.

[Janus]

The word nation can also be used to talk about a country.The definitions of terms are often perverted.

[Arminius]

The definitions of terms are often perverted.

Language is fluid, many words have multiple definitions and definitions are subject to change.

[benfromcanada]

What pray is an `ethnic briton`?
I'm talking about the groups the BNP calls ethnically British, that is, the races that claim the British Isles as their originating grounds.

[benfromcanada]

This isn't true for America, most being a white. I'd say that see more flags in white neighborhoods than I see in black neighborhoods. I don't know the reason for this, perhaps it’s because they don't identify with the country, its history or values. Here, you can see some Confederate flags, a reminder of the history of the South. In fact, yesterday I saw two trucks in a row with a Confederate flag on their back windows - a stereotype that holds true. I don't know if this is more patriotic than nationalistic.
It could be that planting a flag is a sign of permanent residency, and most minorities in the U.S. live in places they want to get out of. Or it could be that some find it redundant.

[benfromcanada]

"Nation" is synonymous to "ethnicity".
"Ethnicity" isn't synonymous with "skin colour". A German has the same skin colour as a Russian, but they're not the same ethnicity.

[Arminius]

It could be that planting a flag is a sign of permanent residency, and most minorities in the U.S. live in places they want to get out of. Or it could be that some find it redundant.

The problem is that you view blacks as minorities. As nationally they are, but for most areas in the south (including my county) they make up the majority, that is at least 50%. That is according to the US Census. Coupled by the influx of Philipinos and Puerto Ricans (due to Naval facilities) to my area, people of European decent don't have majority status.

(Hint, I live in South East Virginia)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg

[benfromcanada]

The problem is that you view blacks as minorities. As nationally they are, but for most areas in the south (including my county) they make up the majority, that is at least 50%. That is according to the US Census. Coupled by the influx of Philipinos and Puerto Ricans (due to Naval facilities) to my area, people of European decent don't have majority status.

(Hint, I live in South East Virginia)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.jpg
Why's this a problem? Most of the South, from what I can tell, is poorer than the North. My statement rests on the poorness of their conditions, nt the numbers of their population.

[Arminius]

Why's this a problem? Most of the South, from what I can tell, is poorer than the North. My statement rests on the poorness of their conditions, nt the numbers of their population.

From where do you get this information? This isn't true at all. This area is economically thriving.
I am not even linking my observation with poverty, btw - because it isn't related.

[Donny the Punk]

Romantic nationalism is a form of ethnic nationalism.

That's false. Romantic nationalism encompasses the idea of a brotherhood of nations. Ethnic nationalism is a perversion of that ideal that arose from the search for salvation through national redemption which eventually became the assertion of a single nation over others. To no one's surprise it originated in Germany.

[Jonathan]

I'd say so.

[SlovenianNationalist]

That's false. Romantic nationalism encompasses the idea of a brotherhood of nations. Ethnic nationalism is a perversion of that ideal that arose from the search for salvation through national redemption which eventually became the assertion of a single nation over others. To no one's surprise it originated in Germany.

That's what Wikipedia says..

Romantic nationalism

Romantic nationalism (also organic nationalism, identity nationalism) is the form of ethnic nationalism in which the state derives political legitimacy as a natural ("organic") consequence and expression of the nation, or race. It reflected the ideals of Romanticism and was opposed to Enlightenment rationalism. Romantic nationalism emphasised a historical ethnic culture which meets the Romantic Ideal; folklore developed as a Romantic nationalist concept. The Brothers Grimm were inspired by Herder's writings to create an idealised collection of tales which they labeled as ethnically German. Historian Jules Michelet exemplifies French romantic-nationalist history.

[Janus]

"Ethnicity" isn't synonymous with "skin colour". Who suggested otherwise? :)