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Captain Marinesko
12-09-2006, 06:45 AM
Q: Why aren’t there any WN leaders on Star Trek?
A: Because they’re not going to work in the future either.

Q: Did you hear about the Holocaust revisionist who produced a peer-reviewed paper?
A: No.

Q: What to you call a WN after he wins $5 million in the lottery?
A: A lemming.

Q: What do you call a WN’s half-Asian girlfriend?
A: Aryan


Q: How was confetti invented?
A: Two WN organization leaders fighting over a mailing list!

Russian Skinhead: Здравствуйте, David Duke!
David Duke: What?

Q: How do WN organizations plan to achieve political success despite the fact that WN ideology is generally hated by the vast majority of white people?
A: SHUT THE FUCK UP JEW!!!

Q: How many Jews does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: Millions. First it takes a large number of Jews to take control of international finance, then another large group to create Bolshevism in order to overthrow and take over the world that they already control at this point. Then you figure about another few million needed to fabricate the entire Holocaust conspiracy and ensure that there are no leaks to expose this elaborate hoax for well over 60 years. This Holocaust creates “White guilt”, making the Aryan man more susceptible to propaganda in the form of Elvis Presley and later, rap music. Over time, the Jews dilute Aryan society by changing immigration laws and promoting further perversion through their control of the media. This control of the media then allows the Jews to finally start a war in the Middle East which is solely the responsibility of Israel and absolutely nothing else. This war creates terrorism, which in many cases is actually carried out by Mossad agents. In turn, this creates fear in the gentile population of the US. Seeing that it’s difficult to see terrorists breaking into your house if it‘s dark, the confused Aryan who has been made into a mindless lemming by years of Holocaust propaganda and subtle messages in popular films- ends up replacing the light-bulb himself.

Lily
12-09-2006, 10:06 AM
:D Great. The last two are my favourites.

Arminius
12-09-2006, 10:09 AM
WN is one big joke. :)

MrAngry
12-09-2006, 12:55 PM
I enjoyed them all...

Draco
12-09-2006, 01:17 PM
Here's a real knee slapper you missed:

http://www.whty.org/images/DCFC0013.JPG

Vasily Zaitsev
12-09-2006, 02:40 PM
Q: Did you hear about the Holocaust revisionist who produced a peer-reviewed paper?
A: No.

Superb.

(filler)

Hermetic
12-09-2006, 02:48 PM
As much as I disagree with the approach of WN, I can respect the fact the healthy ones really do care for the Races future and health and do take action for it. What I would like to see is instead of constant bashing of WN a working solution to fix the problems.

Arminius
12-09-2006, 06:30 PM
As much as I disagree with the approach of WN, I can respect the fact the healthy ones really do care for the Races future and health and do take action for it. What I would like to see is instead of constant bashing of WN a working solution to fix the problems.

Define the problems, as you see it.

Janus
12-09-2006, 06:40 PM
Nationalism is fine. It is the definition of "white" with which I disagree.

I do not recall "white" nationalism ever being intended for Europeans. Europeans have as much stake in "white" nationalism as Americans have in any one of the various European nationalist movements. :rolleyes:

EDIT: I was adding content.

Hermetic
12-09-2006, 06:54 PM
Lack of quality leadership and lack of core ideology.

Define the problems, as you see it.

हिन्दुस्तान
12-09-2006, 06:57 PM
Last one is actually pretty good.

Kodos
12-09-2006, 07:02 PM
Q: Why aren’t there any WN leaders on Star Trek?
A: Because they’re not going to work in the future either.


You have to see Star Wars for that. Lando the ex criminal is the only black guy, and according to the books the Emperor hated 99% of nonhumans.

Heil der Kaiser und der Sith Ritter Vader.

Arminius
12-09-2006, 07:18 PM
I do not recall "white" nationalism ever being intended for Europeans. Europeans have as much stake in "white" nationalism as Americans have in any one of the various European nationalist movements.

I agree. There is little need for there to be a "white" movement in Europe (maybe it's different since recent times due to immigration). It's largely American-based idea of a person of ambiguous European heritage. Really more used to differentiate between "us and them" (i.e., whites and blacks).

Lack of quality leadership and lack of core ideology.

I agree, but I think the quality of leadership reflects the quality of members. If there were better people, more fit to lead, they would inevitably make their way to the top. Also choice in poor leadership doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the people being led. Ideology, just like who is a jew or who is white, isn't something they seem to agree on.

Burrhus
12-09-2006, 07:30 PM
Q: Why aren’t there any WN leaders on Star Trek?
A: Because they’re not a bunch of fucktard* sci-fi geeks who put forth pretend super-hero personas.

Q: Did you hear about the Holocaust revisionist who produced a peer-reviewed paper?
A: Yes. See www.ihr.org and www.vho.org

Q: What to you call a WN after he wins $5 million in the lottery?
A: A more effective WN.

Q: What do you call a WN’s half-Asian girlfriend?
A: Capt.M's ex-girlfriend.

Q: How was confetti invented?
A: Post-WWII jewish agents shredding Third Reich documents that proved that the holocaust was a lie.

Russian Skinhead: Здравствуйте, David Duke!
David Duke: Привет к Вам также, товарищам. Together we can save the white race.

Q: How do WN organizations plan to achieve political success despite the fact that WN ideology is generally hated by the vast majority of white people?
A: Itz coming!!!

CaptM/JP: Q: How many Jews does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: Millions. First it takes a large number of Jews to take control of international finance, then another large group to create Bolshevism in order to overthrow and take over the world that they already control at this point. Then you figure about another few million needed to fabricate the entire Holocaust conspiracy and ensure that there are no leaks to expose this elaborate hoax for well over 60 years. This Holocaust creates “White guilt”, making the Aryan man more susceptible to propaganda in the form of Elvis Presley and later, rap music. Over time, the Jews dilute Aryan society by changing immigration laws and promoting further perversion through their control of the media. This control of the media then allows the Jews to finally start a war in the Middle East which is solely the responsibility of Israel and absolutely nothing else. This war creates terrorism, which in many cases is actually carried out by Mossad agents. In turn, this creates fear in the gentile population of the US. Seeing that it’s difficult to see terrorists breaking into your house if it‘s dark, the confused Aryan who has been made into a mindless lemming by years of Holocaust propaganda and subtle messages in popular films- ends up replacing the light-bulb himself.

Burrhus: As a card-carrying, philo-semitic race-traitor, CM/JP, what were you thinking when you wrote that last feeble non-joke? Revealing the true nature of the jewish agenda is not going to sit well with your jewish handlers.

* fucktard, noun, contraction of "fucking retard": copyright owned by JPSlovjanski aka Captain Marinesko, used without permission but justified as CM/JP has used the term in the past to refer to this author. The author agrees to never use the term again if CM/JP will so agree. Agreed?

Helios Panoptes
12-09-2006, 07:33 PM
Q: Why aren’t there any WN leaders on Star Trek?
A: Because they’re not going to work in the future either.

Q: Did you hear about the Holocaust revisionist who produced a peer-reviewed paper?
A: No.

Q: What to you call a WN after he wins $5 million in the lottery?
A: A lemming.

Q: What do you call a WN’s half-Asian girlfriend?
A: Aryan


Q: How was confetti invented?
A: Two WN organization leaders fighting over a mailing list!

Russian Skinhead: Здравствуйте, David Duke!
David Duke: What?

Q: How do WN organizations plan to achieve political success despite the fact that WN ideology is generally hated by the vast majority of white people?
A: SHUT THE FUCK UP JEW!!!

Q: How many Jews does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: Millions. First it takes a large number of Jews to take control of international finance, then another large group to create Bolshevism in order to overthrow and take over the world that they already control at this point. Then you figure about another few million needed to fabricate the entire Holocaust conspiracy and ensure that there are no leaks to expose this elaborate hoax for well over 60 years. This Holocaust creates “White guilt”, making the Aryan man more susceptible to propaganda in the form of Elvis Presley and later, rap music. Over time, the Jews dilute Aryan society by changing immigration laws and promoting further perversion through their control of the media. This control of the media then allows the Jews to finally start a war in the Middle East which is solely the responsibility of Israel and absolutely nothing else. This war creates terrorism, which in many cases is actually carried out by Mossad agents. In turn, this creates fear in the gentile population of the US. Seeing that it’s difficult to see terrorists breaking into your house if it‘s dark, the confused Aryan who has been made into a mindless lemming by years of Holocaust propaganda and subtle messages in popular films- ends up replacing the light-bulb himself.

These jokes are not very funny, but I'll level with you and admit that I didn't read the last one because it was too long. A joke about screwing in a light bulb should be concise, I think.

koch curve
12-09-2006, 07:34 PM
These jokes are not very funny, but I'll level with you and admit that I didn't read the last one because it was too long. A joke about screwing in a light bulb should be concise, I think.

thats the point ugh

Helios Panoptes
12-09-2006, 07:36 PM
thats the point ugh

Tell someone who gives a shit. I am not that person. :)

koch curve
12-09-2006, 07:39 PM
Tell someone who gives a shit. I am not that person. :)

well the point of the joke is that its very long and illustrates the idiotic lengths to which wn's will go to blame jews.


im sorry if you didnt get the joke and feel angry now okay, we cant all be intelligent :(

Helios Panoptes
12-09-2006, 07:46 PM
well the point of the joke is that its very long and illustrates the idiotic lengths to which wn's will go to blame jews.

Thank you, professor.

im sorry if you didnt get the joke and feel angry now okay, we cant all be intelligent :(

Yes, it's a shame, innit?

P.S. I didn't even read it. Your point about my being too stupid to comprehend it makes little sense because I did not make the minimum effort to do so, due to insurmountable uninterest.

Hermetic
12-09-2006, 09:45 PM
Ideology is a construct that is made to fit the time and place it was created for, a strategy to the situation of the era. So using ideology from different times and places does not work obviously. And since WN is racial obsessed and everything last it will soley focus 99.9% of this issue, and new people coming into the scene will be taught the one point ideology and by process of inerta it rolls on.

As time rolls on better people will pick up the pieces and put together something better a holistic ideology geared to fit the current time and place. Ironically a properly created mordern National Socialist movement in America would not appear as one not even in name. Then the wheat shall be sorted from the chaft of the WN thing. But in reality most members will probably end up coming from outside the current circle. Most of the current small timers bicker on meaningless stuff because they have no current greater tasking. Idle hands.

I agree, but I think the quality of leadership reflects the quality of members. If there were better people, more fit to lead, they would inevitably make their way to the top. Also choice in poor leadership doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the people being led. Ideology, just like who is a jew or who is white, isn't something they seem to agree on.

leondegrance
12-09-2006, 09:58 PM
As much as I disagree with the approach of WN, I can respect the fact the healthy ones really do care for the Races future and health and do take action for it. What I would like to see is instead of constant bashing of WN a working solution to fix the problems.

True, many WN's do care about whites, but for many it's simply a way to live out an adolescent nazi fetish.

leondegrance
12-09-2006, 10:04 PM
Q. What did the WN say to the Muslim that was raping his sister?

A. Thank God you're fighting ZOG!

Starr
12-09-2006, 10:18 PM
Q. What did the WN say to the Muslim that was raping his sister?

A. Thank God you're fighting ZOG!


A Muslim would never do such a thing. Anything and everything you might hear about them in the jewmedia is a lie. The rapist in question would be a jew trying to impersonate a muslim, and you kike-a-likes will fall for it everytime.

Burrhus
12-09-2006, 10:27 PM
Q. What did the Millerite WN say to the Muslim that was raping his sister?

A. Thank God you're fighting ZOG!

Joke edited for clarity. See above.

A non-Millerite would say, "You wanna see allah? Bam! There you go."

An after-thought: I don't ever recall reading any posts by moslems on VNN. Hmmm?

Hermetic
12-09-2006, 11:32 PM
Prehaps in your perception it is many, but in reality it could be fewer then those who are true.


True, many WN's do care about whites, but for many it's simply a way to live out an adolescent nazi fetish.

Captain Marinesko
12-10-2006, 04:49 AM
Q
Q: Did you hear about the Holocaust revisionist who produced a peer-reviewed paper?
A: Yes. See www.ihr.org and www.vho.org

Thanks for proving that you don't know what "peer reviewed" means.


Q: How was confetti invented?
A: Post-WWII jewish agents shredding Third Reich documents that proved that the holocaust was a lie.

I see, absense of evidence is evidence in your view.


Russian Skinhead: Здравствуйте, David Duke!
David Duke: Привет к Вам также, товарищам. Together we can save the white race.

Newsflash moron, David Duke doesn't speak a word of Russian. That's what the joke is about. He's a parasite.


Q: How do WN organizations plan to achieve political success despite the fact that WN ideology is generally hated by the vast majority of white people?
A: Itz coming!!!

Someone's delusional.


Burrhus: As a card-carrying, philo-semitic race-traitor, CM/JP, what were you thinking when you wrote that last feeble non-joke? Revealing the true nature of the jewish agenda is not going to sit well with your jewish handlers.

Philo-semitic = "Doesn't believe my idiotic conspiracy theories about Jews."

Race-Traitor? Good luck proving that. The fact that you find the "punchline" to that last joke to actually BE the "Jewish agenda" proves that you are a mentally ill/retarded individual. Many such people are someone functional in the sense that they can often write or say coherent statements.

Dances with Wolves
12-10-2006, 04:59 AM
I agree. There is little need for there to be a "white" movement in Europe (maybe it's different since recent times due to immigration). It's largely American-based idea of a person of ambiguous European heritage. Really more used to differentiate between "us and them" (i.e., whites and blacks).



I agree, but I think the quality of leadership reflects the quality of members. If there were better people, more fit to lead, they would inevitably make their way to the top. Also choice in poor leadership doesn't reflect well on the intelligence of the people being led. Ideology, just like who is a jew or who is white, isn't something they seem to agree on.

I think you're mistaken. The crisis Whites all over the world face demands that they do away with "cultural nationalism" (i.e. German, French, American)and embrace a racial nationalism (actually this is redundant since nation means race) and confront the dangers now facing us. Otherwise we are doomed.

I agree with your assessment of the current leadership. However, this will change in time.

Arminius
12-10-2006, 05:40 AM
I think you're mistaken. The crisis Whites all over the world face demands that they do away with "cultural nationalism" (i.e. German, French, American)and embrace a racial nationalism (actually this is redundant since nation means race) and confront the dangers now facing us. Otherwise we are doomed.

What is "White" and why should they care? The sad fact is that most people you call White want to have nothing to do with WN. The problem we have is cultural, not racial. It is traditional European cultures the world over which are suffering to this disease that is modern/popular culture. I doubt you'd get any good amount of people to listen to you until you change that.

Mike
12-10-2006, 06:22 AM
Well, I for one am very proud of Comrade Slovjanski for producing a piece of satire containing fewer than 50,000 words, and, even more amazingly, only one line of uppercase text. That said, it now seems clear why Slovjanski prefers to write his prose so impenetrably lengthy and ponderous. The less you have to say, the more you benefit from scribbling overwhelming volumes of words. As seen here, when you try to distill fluffy into witty and succinct, it's a little like dehydrating water - there's not going to be anything worthwhile left when you're done (not that there was to begin with).

Captain Marinesko
12-10-2006, 06:31 AM
1. I ain't here to impress anyone.

2. WNs hate jokes like this because they know it's the truth.

barbarroja
12-10-2006, 07:09 AM
What is "White" and why should they care? The sad fact is that most people you call White want to have nothing to do with WN. The problem we have is cultural, not racial. It is traditional European cultures the world over which are suffering to this disease that is modern/popular culture. I doubt you'd get any good amount of people to listen to you until you change that.

The WN movement or White nationalism is a "cultural" effect of the american way of life. So it is part ot the same modern problem. And that problem is the anihilation of the real cultures by the light, pop, homogeneized and soft multicultural gay parade of the anglo-saxon decadence.
In their own decadence, after WWII, Europe just become a suicide culture. And USA become a cultural garbage. The WN born to clean that garbage, but is part of the clichés in the supermarket of ideologies.

You can be a nazi, a fascist, part of the iron legion, a franquist, a Vichy fan... you can be a political man in a soil. But you can´t be a "white" in abstract, just like americans like. And like because, they have no soil (no long History, no same blood nor same character), have other aliens inside to opose -jew, blacks, indians, mexicans. A WN is like an grey alien, an "average" of a real aryan of flesh and bone (and with a past and nationality). Of course if you go beyond the surface, the "world" white nationalist end being a man WITH a very local past: a kkk guy, an urban skin, an ex-army nationalist, and the other types of nationalists made "with" proud in USA (and only for an USA perspective).
They believe they are the center of the universe, of the world, of the globalization... the american jew, the WN or the black democrat living in a New York ghetto; they think the others must be like them (or must be "guided" by them); through the ONU, or through the White Pow ideology or through some cultural garbage.
They think they are the perfect White and the ideal for the others. But in Europe each country has a long history to follow. Only the outlaws (the kids playing to be week-end skins) follow the WN clichés. The others follow their own national path, they work and vote for their own parties, and not for a "global" movement.
A global movement is part of the same garbage, if it is the international finance, the ONU or the WN cliché. It´s only there because, there is a country supporting this global des-culturization. The solution is not to surrender to a non-national (so global) ideology as the WN in abstractum, but to grow the national paths.

of course, in USA the WN IS a national path, for the WASPs in their worst times for coming...

and of course, the hidden matter is: if it is a good thing to the other cultures and countries in the world to have a living USA in the future? or it is better (even for the american WASPs) a disintegrated USA?
As I see the matter, USA is a fundamental part of all this trouble (and the first origin and support of every "global" ideology).

Janus
12-10-2006, 03:29 PM
The crisis Whites all over the world face demands that they do away with "cultural nationalism" and embrace a racial nationalism... Are you ethnically-mixed?...actually this is redundant since nation means race... No, it does not.

ivory bill
12-10-2006, 03:54 PM
Well, I for one am very proud of Comrade Slovjanski for producing a piece of satire containing fewer than 50,000 words, and, even more amazingly, only one line of uppercase text. That said, it now seems clear why Slovjanski prefers to write his prose so impenetrably lengthy and ponderous. The less you have to say, the more you benefit from scribbling overwhelming volumes of words. As seen here, when you try to distill fluffy into witty and succinct, it's a little like dehydrating water - there's not going to be anything worthwhile left when you're done (not that there was to begin with).

Yes, ponderous is the kindest word I can think of to describe JP Marinesko's sense of humor.

Unwieldy or clumsy, especially due to excess weight: cumbersome, cumbrous, heavy, lumpish, lumpy.
Lacking fluency or gracefulness: elephantine, heavy-handed, labored.

Burrhus
12-10-2006, 04:38 PM
Burrhus replies in red.

Thanks for proving that you don't know what "peer reviewed" means.

Thank you for proving that you don't know what "peer" means.

I see, absense of evidence is evidence in your view.

"absense" Interesting Freudian slip.


Philo-semitic = "Doesn't believe my idiotic conspiracy theories about Jews."

Race-Traitor? Good luck proving that. The fact that you find the "punchline" to that last joke to actually BE the "Jewish agenda" proves that you are a mentally ill/retarded individual. Many such people are someone functional in the sense that they can often write or say coherent statements.

Hopefully you will receive a sense of humor for christmas, JP. And maybe some English lessons.

Burrhus
12-10-2006, 04:42 PM
1. I ain't here to impress anyone.

And you are succeeding admirably.

Captain Marinesko
12-11-2006, 06:40 AM
Newsflash! "Peer review" means reviewed by other academics and scientists in the field. It doesn't mean other Holocaust revisionists like you seem to think based on that answer. Though I guess many Holocaust revisionists can be excluded since many of them are not scientists or historians.

Face it, it's not my humor you have a problem with. You are a sychophant of the movement and can't stand the truth- that being that it is nothing but a dead-end subculture which hasn't accomplished anything for the race, nor will it ever.

"Itz coming" indeed.

Burrhus
12-11-2006, 08:50 AM
Newsflash! "Peer review" means reviewed by other academics and scientists in the field.

Peer review means reviewed by one's peers. In the case of hollow-hoax revisionism those peers are researchers who have retained their intellectual integrity. As opposed to the academics who earn a good living for having sold their integrity for the money.

Try getting a Ph.D. or tenure if you question the hollow-hoax story. Ask Germar Rudolph who lost his Ph.D. in chemistry for offering expert testimony in a trial of a hollow-hoax revisionist. Oh, you can't, he's in jail. For doing that.

Captain Marinesko
12-11-2006, 09:27 AM
Peer review means reviewed by one's peers. In the case of hollow-hoax revisionism those peers are researchers who have retained their intellectual integrity. As opposed to the academics who earn a good living for having sold their integrity for the money.

Try again. We call it "peer" review because in the case of academics or scientists, their "peers" in this case means other academics and/or scientists in the same field.


Try getting a Ph.D. or tenure if you question the hollow-hoax story. Ask Germar Rudolph who lost his Ph.D. in chemistry for offering expert testimony in a trial of a hollow-hoax revisionist. Oh, you can't, he's in jail. For doing that.

Try getting a physics Ph.D or tenure if you believe in Cold Fusion, like your buddy Stephen Jones did.

Straight Satan
12-11-2006, 10:09 AM
* fucktard, noun, contraction of "fucking retard": copyright owned by JPSlovjanski aka Captain Marinesko

I always thought JP coined that word but recently a couple other people said that they heard "fucktard" back in the '80s.

Captain Marinesko
12-11-2006, 11:36 AM
I always thought JP coined that word but recently a couple other people said that they heard "fucktard" back in the '80s.


I got the word from Something Awful. The rest is history.

shanemac
12-11-2006, 03:04 PM
Captain M is Slowjewski? Ha... it seems every ex vnn-er ends up on this forum. :) Good to see you again SJ.

Starr
12-11-2006, 11:23 PM
Originally Posted by leondegrance
Q. What did the WN say to the Muslim that was raping his sister?

A. Thank God you're fighting ZOG!

A Muslim would never do such a thing. Anything and everything you might hear about them in the jewmedia is a lie. The rapist in question would be a jew trying to impersonate a muslim, and you kike-a-likes will fall for it everytime.

Damn these people are predictable. It is almost sad:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=467662&postcount=55

I really am at the end of my rope with this muslims can do no wrong, muslims are our friends bullshit. These people are just as blind as those they say are blind to the jews, and they cannot see it. They are so wrapped up in muslims fighting against ZOG that they tell us to overlook crimes they commit against us or that reports of these crimes are jew lies. This is starting to disgust me in numerous ways.

हिन्दुस्तान
12-11-2006, 11:36 PM
I always wondered why that forum (VNN) was obsessed with protecting muslims.

I think the hatred of the Jew is so strong on that forum that they think any enemy of a Jew is a "friend" of theres.

Thomas777
12-11-2006, 11:48 PM
I think the hatred of the Jew is so strong on that forum that they think any enemy of a Jew is a "friend" of theres.

It goes beyond that. National Socialism dovetails ideologically with militant Islam...just as it dovetailed with Shintoist militarism.

leondegrance
12-11-2006, 11:50 PM
I really am at the end of my rope with this muslims can do no wrong, muslims are our friends bullshit.

So am I. Those people are completely out of touch with reality. That's why I've said that VNN is not a pro-white forum.

Thomas777
12-11-2006, 11:58 PM
So am I. Those people are completely out of touch with reality. That's why I've said that VNN is not a pro-white forum.

Its not that simple. Mind you, I loathe VNN, but not on account of their stance with respect to Muslims.

Islam is a Traditionalist, militant, progressive, anti-modern ideology that is currently embroiled in an open war with agents of global capitalism. Globalism is by far the gravest threat to national sovreignty and demographic solvency on every continent in the world and the Muslims recognize this. Furthermore, the Muslim states (and their non-state proxies) regularly attack Israel...an "oppressor state" that is the international/legal/military power of the global Jewish diaspora.

Francis Parker Yockey reached out to Arab states in the late 1950s, as he reasoned that an "Arab revolt" against Marxism and Anglo-American capitalism could strike a blow internationally in favor of Rightist ideologies and force recognition of the claims of various nationalist/fascist/national socialist political movements.

However you feel about VNN, there is ideological precedent for their position on Muslims, and its internally consistent.

Dances with Wolves
12-11-2006, 11:58 PM
Damn these people are predictable. It is almost sad:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=467662&postcount=55

I really am at the end of my rope with this muslims can do no wrong, muslims are our friends bullshit. These people are just as blind as those they say are blind to the jews, and they cannot see it. They are so wrapped up in muslims fighting against ZOG that they tell us to overlook crimes they commit against us or that reports of these crimes are jew lies. This is starting to disgust me in numerous ways.

My dear Starr, nobody is saying that the muslims are blameless in the criminal arena. What we are saying is that we must use the weight of our opponent against it. Are you familiar with this concept? It is using your enemies supposed strengths against itself. Comprende, la más bonita?

Dances with Wolves
12-11-2006, 11:59 PM
Frankly, I didn't get that joke at all, anyway :confused:

Starr
12-12-2006, 12:11 AM
My dear Starr, nobody is saying that the muslims are blameless in the criminal arena. What we are saying is that we must use the weight of our opponent against it. Are you familiar with this concept? It is using your enemies supposed strengths against itself. Comprende, la más bonita?


He was basically hinting that the guy that he responded to was a jew or stupid for even daring to bring up the high percentage of muslim(mostly Moroccans from what I have read) criminals in prison in France. Bringing up Muslims in a bad light seems to be just as big of a no-no on vnn as bringing up, for example, black crime in our PC climate. It is just plain weird. It is sometimes like are more concerned with "hating" the jew than they are with whites.
He also said this even after this guy had said that he respected Muslims "fighting against ZOG" in their own lands.

Burrhus
12-12-2006, 12:16 AM
Its not that simple. Mind you, I loathe VNN, but not on account of their stance with respect to Muslims.

Islam is a Traditionalist, militant, progressive, anti-modern ideology that is currently embroiled in an open war with agents of global capitalism. Globalism is by far the gravest threat to national sovreignty and demographic solvency on every continent in the world and the Muslims recognize this. Furthermore, the Muslim states (and their non-state proxies) regularly attack Israel...an "oppressor state" that is the international/legal/military power of the global Jewish diaspora.

Francis Parker Yockey reached out to Arab states in the late 1950s, as he reasoned that an "Arab revolt" against Marxism and Anglo-American capitalism could strike a blow internationally in favor of Rightist ideologies and force recognition of the claims of various nationalist/fascist/national socialist political movements.

However you feel about VNN, there is ideological precedent for their position on Muslims, and its internally consistent.

I agree with you about an alliance with moslem nations against the jewish globalization agenda. The problem with Miller and his VNN pro-moslem cult is that they are willing to extend that alliance to moslems WITHIN white nations. I have had lengthy debates with them on VNN about this and have made the distinction very clear. They simply cannot see that the moslems in white nations (especially Europe) are a problem. For them the jew and only the jew is a problem.

They refuse to understand that while the jews are a serious global problem, the moslems are in many places a serious local problem.

leondegrance
12-12-2006, 12:19 AM
Starr brings up a good point. VNN is primarily an anti-jew site rather than a pro-white site, which is fine. But it's disengenious to characterize it as pro-white. Only a psychotic fringe will adopt the ideology.

Thomas777
12-12-2006, 12:21 AM
I agree with you about an alliance with moslem nations against the jewish globalization agenda. The problem with Miller and his VNN pro-moslem cult is that they are willing to extend that alliance to moslems WITHIN white nations. I have had lengthy debates with them on VNN about this and have made the distinction very clear. They simply cannot see that the moslems in white nations (especially Europe) are a problem. For them the jew and only the jew is a problem.

They refuse to understand that while the jews are a serious global problem, the moslems are in many places a serious local problem.

I don't want to speak for the VNN troglodytes, but I DO know that a lot of rogue Third Positionists and National Socialists (David Myatt comes immediately to mind) harbor a "burn it down" sort of sentiment towards the EU...what I mean by that is they feel that the "Aryan" natives of Europe have so betrayed their culture and embraced oblivion that they feel that they are receiving their just deserts when they are set upon by violent, disciplined, vicious Muslim youth who have contempt for the decadence and secular humanism of the Continent. I think some of this sort of nihilistic hostility may be at play over on VNN...they certainly aren't a well adjusted lot, now are they?

Dances with Wolves
12-12-2006, 12:24 AM
Starr brings up a good point. VNN is primarily an anti-jew site rather than a pro-white site, which is fine. But it's disengenious to characterize it as pro-white. Only a psychotic fringe will adopt the ideology.

To be honest, I have to agree with both you and Starr on that one. On the other hand, keeping up with what the jews are up to can make one psychotic, to say the least.

Starr
12-12-2006, 12:25 AM
Starr brings up a good point. VNN is primarily an anti-jew site rather than a pro-white site, which is fine. But it's disengenious to characterize it as pro-white. Only a psychotic fringe will adopt the ideology.

actually it was you(I think)that I first saw say this and it stuck with me because it seems all too true.

Thomas777
12-12-2006, 12:28 AM
Define "pro-White".

I think that VNN is a juvenile and somewhat offensive site, but I also think that Linder's ideological disposition is pretty straight-forward National Socialism. The guy is a satirist or sorts, and not a political theorist, but what I get from his rants is a pretty basic NS worldview. And as I already enumerated, support for Islam against liberal capitalism, identification of international Jewry as the primary adversery of Aryan peoples, and a darwinian resignation/indifference towards the fate of indigenous Europeans who (in Linder's estimation) lack the will to defend their lands against invading Muslims is all consistent with the NS worldview.

leondegrance
12-12-2006, 12:40 AM
Define "pro-White".

I think that VNN is a juvenile and somewhat offensive site, but I also think that Linder's ideological disposition is pretty straight-forward National Socialism. The guy is a satirist or sorts, and not a political theorist, but what I get from his rants is a pretty basic NS worldview. And as I already enumerated, support for Islam against liberal capitalism, identification of international Jewry as the primary adversery of Aryan peoples, and a darwinian resignation/indifference towards the fate of indigenous Europeans who (in Linder's estimation) lack the will to defend their lands against invading Muslims is all consistent with the NS worldview.

I'm assuming what you identify as National Socialism is pretty much Nazi Party ideology. The Nazi Party was from a much different time and world. Nothing remains of that Party, and the ideology is not conducive to the world situation. To assume that it can be a viable political movement is laughable.

VNN is just a venue for Linder to live out a Nazi fetish, nothing more. Anyone that make outrageous statements will garner a certain amount of attention. Just ask Michael Moore.

Another problem is that Linder alienates any racialist that is not a raving neo-nazi.

Hermetic
12-12-2006, 12:46 AM
Then the question becomes why do they lack the will and how to change that. The West is being punished for being ignorant and selfish our collective doom is Hitlers final vindication and revenge. Which also amuses me is the old people who fought against Hitler now living a very shitty throw away life. Hitler would not have allowed the eldery in his Nation to be abused and subjected to such unfair treatment. The greatest generation indeed......of fools and retards.

Thomas777
12-12-2006, 12:57 AM
I'm assuming what you identify as National Socialism is pretty much Nazi Party ideology. The Nazi Party was from a much different time and world. Nothing remains of that Party, and the ideology is not conducive to the world situation. To assume that it can be a viable political movement is laughable.

VNN is just a venue for Linder to live out a Nazi fetish, nothing more. Anyone that make outrageous statements will garner a certain amount of attention. Just ask Michael Moore.

Another problem is that Linder alienates any racialist that is not a raving neo-nazi.

I agree with all of that. I was just pointing out that an awful lot of polemicists who consider themselves to be "pro-White" (such as Alex Linder) are essentially nothing more than Nazi fetishists who tend to espouse doctrinal National Socialism.

Dances with Wolves
12-12-2006, 01:04 AM
I'm assuming what you identify as National Socialism is pretty much Nazi Party ideology. The Nazi Party was from a much different time and world. Nothing remains of that Party, and the ideology is not conducive to the world situation. To assume that it can be a viable political movement is laughable.

VNN is just a venue for Linder to live out a Nazi fetish, nothing more. Anyone that make outrageous statements will garner a certain amount of attention. Just ask Michael Moore.

Another problem is that Linder alienates any racialist that is not a raving neo-nazi.

What then, is a viable political movement? I agree that German National Socialism is not a alternative, but the principles of National Socialism in general are, in my view. The 25 planks of the Nazi party could easily be adopted by any nation in the world. Just subsitute the word German for <insert nation here> and presto! Instant national socialism.

Compare that to international communism, or western "democracy".

Thomas777
12-12-2006, 01:05 AM
One of the great inconsistencies that plagues "great minds" like Alex Linder and his Nutzi friends is the fact that National Socialism (and syndicalist Fascism) were profoundly anti-reactionary and progressive in disposition. Lamenting the passing of "the good ol days" and digging about in 70 year old political pamplhets in search of doctrinal truths is a profoundly un-Nazi thing to do.

The NSDAP wanted to create some sort of alternative modernity...despite the fact that they mythified yeomen farmers and agrarian life, they were essentially obsessed with ideologically-driven Eugenics, techocentric worldviews, and non-traditional totalitarian politics.

In many respects, William Pierce was a jackass but he was in fact quite correct in so far as he recognized that National Socialism was not some reactionary, Luddite movement. Pierce's utopia was completely weird, pathological, and fantastical, but it was in fact fundamentally post-modern...it had an internal consistency that most of these things lack.

Thomas777
12-12-2006, 01:11 AM
What then, is a viable political movement? I agree that German National Socialism is not a alternative, but the principles of National Socialism in general are, in my view. The 25 planks of the Nazi party could easily be adopted by any nation in the world. Just subsitute the word German for <insert nation here> and presto! Instant national socialism.

Compare that to international communism, or western "democracy".

National Socialism came about because guys like Hitler, Speer, Goebbels and Himmler came together and decided that traditional politics could not resolve the pressing issues of the day...so they crafted a party-state of the sort that had never been seen before.

If an analagous tendency took hold in America, it would not look like Nazism...it would probably involve large chunks of the White population becoming radicalized and effecting some sort of secession from the dominion of the federal government and excluding peoples from the confines of their newly-established "sovreign polity" that they considered to be undesirable. Such a movement would probably look to beef up/restore the primacy of reigonal bases of power instead of trying to seize control of the Federal government and create some sort of total state from sea to shining sea. Finally, such a movement would probably be asserted by working poor people and middle class or "petit bourgoise" types who lost their shirt and were mired in desperate circumstances...it wouldn't consist of military men, displaced civil servants, and farmers.

Hermetic
12-12-2006, 01:16 AM
Iam agreement of this fact and that is why I put my Swazi to rest behind closed doors and spend my time thinking out a solution for the now and here instead of trying to frankenstien monster a past movement for another part of the world and another time. The keys to building a successful populist movement are in Mein Kampf but if a new Hitler came to power in America he would be not be wearing nazi uniform and not waving a swazi. But be using a America flag and culture of the Americas with a platform that is created for them in the time their in.

I still support the use of Myatt and Devi as a education tool of Nazism to help detox some of the dogmatic Hitler=racialism=evil drug out of peoples minds.

Dances with Wolves
12-12-2006, 01:37 AM
National Socialism came about because guys like Hitler, Speer, Goebbels and Himmler came together and decided that traditional politics could not resolve the pressing issues of the day...so they crafted a party-state of the sort that had never been seen before.

If an analagous tendency took hold in America, it would not look like Nazism...it would probably involve large chunks of the White population becoming radicalized and effecting some sort of secession from the dominion of the federal government and excluding peoples from the confines of their newly-established "sovreign polity" that they considered to be undesirable. Such a movement would probably look to beef up/restore the primacy of reigonal bases of power instead of trying to seize control of the Federal government and create some sort of total state from sea to shining sea. Finally, such a movement would probably be asserted by working poor people and middle class or "petit bourgoise" types who lost their shirt and were mired in desperate circumstances...it wouldn't consist of military men, displaced civil servants, and farmers.

Such a nation state would not repeat the mistakes of the past(democracy, lazaire faire capitalism) and would probably take on more of a National Socialist flavor. Regardless, nothing of the sort can even begin to take shape while the jews are in control of the flow of information.

Dances with Wolves
12-12-2006, 01:38 AM
Iam agreement of this fact and that is why I put my Swazi to rest behind closed doors and spend my time thinking out a solution for the now and here instead of trying to frankenstien monster a past movement for another part of the world and another time. The keys to building a successful populist movement are in Mein Kampf but if a new Hitler came to power in America he would be not be wearing nazi uniform and not waving a swazi. But be using a America flag and culture of the Americas with a platform that is created for them in the time their in.

I still support the use of Myatt and Devi as a education tool of Nazism to help detox some of the dogmatic Hitler=racialism=evil drug out of peoples minds.

Agreed, but no Hitler or any type of leader can rise to power with the jews in control of so much. As they themselves have said, the reason they have flooded the west with so many turd worlders is to prevent exactly that from happening.

Mike
12-12-2006, 01:41 AM
Interesting post. Some points if I may:

First, your idea that WN is part of the problem of modern globalism, as opposed to a reaction and rejection of it, is an interesting thesis, but I would have to see a lot more argument before I agreed. I have met all sorts of people under the American WN umbrella, with varying degrees of sophistication and ways of life, and - leaving aside the poseurs and hobbyists - the thing they all have in common is their alienation from globalism and multiculturalism. They want to reestablish America as a state based on a real people with a real heritage, and not simply a capitalist-friendly ideology.

This is definitely doable. There is nothing at all abstract about "White". "White" in America is as concrete as "German" or "Welsh" in Europe. White Americans are a real people. As a recent study shows, even today, "White" is a core self-identification category for most European-descended folks in this country. The attempts to pathologize the "concept" of race out of existence is one of the few things I can confidently smirk at in these racially troubled days, because I know, even as things get worse, the White race will continue to exist and remain real, and there will still be tens of millions of Whites on this continent. As diversity-related difficulties increase, White self-identification will become politically overt. This I believe is inevitable.

The WN movement or White nationalism is a "cultural" effect of the american way of life. So it is part ot the same modern problem. And that problem is the anihilation of the real cultures by the light, pop, homogeneized and soft multicultural gay parade of the anglo-saxon decadence.
In their own decadence, after WWII, Europe just become a suicide culture. And USA become a cultural garbage. The WN born to clean that garbage, but is part of the clichés in the supermarket of ideologies.

You can be a nazi, a fascist, part of the iron legion, a franquist, a Vichy fan... you can be a political man in a soil. But you can´t be a "white" in abstract, just like americans like. And like because, they have no soil (no long History, no same blood nor same character), have other aliens inside to opose -jew, blacks, indians, mexicans. A WN is like an grey alien, an "average" of a real aryan of flesh and bone (and with a past and nationality). Of course if you go beyond the surface, the "world" white nationalist end being a man WITH a very local past: a kkk guy, an urban skin, an ex-army nationalist, and the other types of nationalists made "with" proud in USA (and only for an USA perspective).
They believe they are the center of the universe, of the world, of the globalization... the american jew, the WN or the black democrat living in a New York ghetto; they think the others must be like them (or must be "guided" by them); through the ONU, or through the White Pow ideology or through some cultural garbage.
They think they are the perfect White and the ideal for the others. But in Europe each country has a long history to follow. Only the outlaws (the kids playing to be week-end skins) follow the WN clichés. The others follow their own national path, they work and vote for their own parties, and not for a "global" movement.
A global movement is part of the same garbage, if it is the international finance, the ONU or the WN cliché. It´s only there because, there is a country supporting this global des-culturization. The solution is not to surrender to a non-national (so global) ideology as the WN in abstractum, but to grow the national paths.

of course, in USA the WN IS a national path, for the WASPs in their worst times for coming...

and of course, the hidden matter is: if it is a good thing to the other cultures and countries in the world to have a living USA in the future? or it is better (even for the american WASPs) a disintegrated USA?
As I see the matter, USA is a fundamental part of all this trouble (and the first origin and support of every "global" ideology).

Thomas777
12-12-2006, 01:47 AM
Such a nation state would not repeat the mistakes of the past(democracy, lazaire faire capitalism) and would probably take on more of a National Socialist flavor.
Yes and no. I think such a movement would probably retain a lot of the accoutrements of traditional Americana (Protestantism, hostility to the Labor movement, local autonomy, preservation of 2nd Amendment rights, etc.) while adopting a protectionist economic disposition. It would probably put a lot of stock in the value of citizen's councils and the like...the peace would probably be kept by armed citizens who were considered to be men of "good standing" in the community. Its important to consider that the NSDAP and a lot of Fascist movements borrowed a lot from Sorel's theory of "general strike" and corporatist/pro-Labor sorts of tendencies. This type of politics lent itself to European theatres, as "street politics" and the general strike were tried and tested tools for change in Europe on account of its unique political history, the legacy of feudalism, the proximity of people to one another, recent industrialization, and a slew of other things. America's political culture is a totally different animal than Europe's.

Regardless, nothing of the sort can even begin to take shape while the jews are in control of the flow of information.
This is a complicated issue. On the one hand, controlled media is an incessant, unchecked sort of mouthpiece for big capital that sort of bends reality around its own very palpable interests. On the other hand, John Q. Public tends to believe what he is told by major media organs because he has a vested incentive in believing it. So long as people are able to procure credit on demand, and their pay stubs allow them to indulge in hedonistic pursuits, and their immediate safety is not threatened in their own community, they have a "stake" in the system. If/when a time comes that working people can no longer avoid the perils of mass immigration, the credit bubble truly does burst, and a genuine economic crisis sets in, controlled media will no longer be able to maintain its capitalist mythology. You cannot convince a man who has been evicted from his home that if he keeps on toiling away for a nominal wage, he will ultimately be rewarded with great things.

Just a few thoughts...

This has become a very good thread...thanx to all for contributing.

Hermetic
12-12-2006, 01:58 AM
The jews base of real power is their money, what happens when that rug is pulled out from under their feet by their own selfish and often short sighted actions. Those millions of turd world people have no loyality to jews and don't care about their propaganda the second the shekel trains stops they revert to themselves all the way like we watched in the New Orleans situation. The rich White classes will have no futher contracts with the jews as it was a mutal pack of crooks for shekel profiting.

The masses of Whites will be hungry and scared at the violence and uncertainity and pissed right off in general they will vote for the leader who can promise and has the power to deliever them the basic needs they want.

The White upperclasses will be looking to deal with whoever is in their best interests for their own benefits. And they want back to business as normal they are amoral in that sense. They will chuck the jews to the trash bin bound for auschwitz without a second care once they are no longer a use to them and a burden. And doing so is for their own best longterm survival/business interest.

The non-whites can be delt with quickly and could be a excellent ally without realization of it as a tool to radicalize and scare most Whites into backing such a Hitler part two. And for unification of the state around a common outside foe.

Then the generation birthed under the new Order can be created in a Aryan mold, and in time the older preorder generation will pass and cease to be.




Agreed, but no Hitler or any type of leader can rise to power with the jews in control of so much. As they themselves have said, the reason they have flooded the west with so many turd worlders is to prevent exactly that from happening.

Mike
12-12-2006, 02:04 AM
Two quick things about Herr Linder, to the best of of my knowledge:

First, Linder is overwhelmingly a pro-White, anti-Jew loyalist. After that, his bent is an idiosyncratic mixture of libertarian and fascist: It's hard to predict where he'll come down on an issue that doesn't directly involve race. I agree with you that he is a satirist or sorts. He takes far more pride in a turn of phrase than in any overarching ideological consistency. I don't think he ever claimed otherwise.

Second, although VNNF has attracted a large share of muslim sympathizers, I don't think Herr Linder has ever supported Islam, supported muslim immigrants, or proposed the nebulous "alliance" idea. I think his boots are firmly on the ground in this instance (as are mine). If anyone recalls seeing a pro-towelhead statement by Linder, please correct me.


Define "pro-White".

I think that VNN is a juvenile and somewhat offensive site, but I also think that Linder's ideological disposition is pretty straight-forward National Socialism. The guy is a satirist or sorts, and not a political theorist, but what I get from his rants is a pretty basic NS worldview. And as I already enumerated, support for Islam against liberal capitalism, identification of international Jewry as the primary adversery of Aryan peoples, and a darwinian resignation/indifference towards the fate of indigenous Europeans who (in Linder's estimation) lack the will to defend their lands against invading Muslims is all consistent with the NS worldview.

Dances with Wolves
12-12-2006, 02:05 AM
This has become a very good thread...thanx to all for contributing.

Yeah, we've hijacked Comrade Commissar JP's thread. :hijacked: He'll send us the gulag for sure, considering the subject matter doing the hijacking! :eek:

Thomas777
12-12-2006, 02:10 AM
Second, although VNNF has attracted a large share of muslim sympathizers, I don't think Herr Linder has ever supported Islam, supported muslim immigrants, or proposed the nebulous "alliance" idea. I think his boots are firmly on the ground in this instance (as are mine). If anyone recalls seeing a pro-towelhead statement by Linder, please correct me.

I haven't read VNN regularly in years...people here and elsewhere take issue quite often with what they percieve as pro-Muslim sentiment over there, so I assumed it was flowing from the pen of Alex Linder himself.

When VNN first went online, I read many of Alex's screeds because he seemd to be making many waves within racialist circles, and that is where I developed my opinion(s) of his political orientation. As I said, in the early days I read much of his material to be little more than NS agitprop with a humorous/satirical bent.

Mike
12-12-2006, 02:17 AM
I haven't read VNN regularly in years...people here and elsewhere take issue quite often with what they percieve as pro-Muslim sentiment over there, so I assumed it was flowing from the pen of Alex Linder himself.The pro-muslim sentiment on VNNF is real, and battier than a shithouse full of monkeys, but amazingly, it's one thing that doesn't come from Linder AFAICT. Actually, I think the pro-muslim sentiment that occurs on VNNF while salient is somewhat overstated here. It affects some VNNF posters, but not everyone (certainly not me).

When VNN first went online, I read many of Alex's screeds because he seemd to be making many waves within racialist circles, and that is where I developed my opinion(s) of his political orientation. As I said, in the early days I read much of his material to be little more than NS agitprop with a humorous/satirical bent.He was indeed making waves. I remember checking VNN main for updates five times a day a couple years ago. He'd make me smile and my stomach tighten at the same time. When he's on, his agitprop is pretty much unparalleled for evoking humor or a visceral response on racial and jewish issues.

Dances with Wolves
12-12-2006, 02:18 AM
I'd have to agree with Mike's assessment of Herr Linder. He weighs in on the libertarian side too much for my tastes (check out the "socialized Medicine sucks" thread) but I've never seen him post anything pro-muslim. To me, being pro-muslim in the context of fighting the evil that has our race in a stranglehold is a a correct stance. The muslims are facing the same thing we are, and they are fighting it like men. For this they have my undying respect and admiration.

On the other hand, muslims in our living space is unacceptable, and when the time comes, it's off the land or under it. Until then, we should use the weight of our enemy against it, since we are powerless at this time to eject them.

Dances with Wolves
12-12-2006, 02:22 AM
He was indeed making waves. I remember checking VNN main for updates five times a day a couple years ago. He'd make me smile and my stomach tighten at the same time. When he's on, his agitprop is pretty much unparalleled for evoking humor or a visceral response on racial and jewish issues.

Agreed. Linder alienated a lot of people with that type of agitprop though, unecessarily. Linder is shock and awe, and he's very good at it. The problem is the collateral damage that comes with such such a weapon.

Thomas777
12-12-2006, 02:28 AM
I'd have to agree with Mike's assessment of Herr Linder. He weighs in on the libertarian side too much for my tastes (check out the "socialized Medicine sucks" thread) but I've never seen him post anything pro-muslim.
If I recall correctly, Linder was a clerk for R. Emmet Tyrell's magazine back in the late 1980s...I think that he may have retained some traditionally Conservative preferences. He is probably one of these types who axiomatically equates "socialism" with Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy and offers knee-jerk responses to proponents of any variant of socialist theory.

To me, being pro-muslim in the context of fighting the evil that has our race in a stranglehold is a a correct stance. The muslims are facing the same thing we are, and they are fighting it like men. For this they have my undying respect and admiration.
Islamic society is a warrior society that is admirable in many ways, and pathological in many ways. I have dealt with a lot of Muslims in the course of business and always found them to be very respectful and honor-bound and polite (although not exactly amicable). I don't want them residing in the West, but I have no personal prejudice towards them.

The fact is that the great struggle of the 21st century is that of Tradition versus the soft tyranny of Cosmopolitanism...anybody who locks and loads a rifle in the service of the former against the latter deserves your (and my) support, although not unqualifiedly.


On the other hand, muslims in our living space is unacceptable, and when the time comes, it's off the land or under it. Until then, we should use the weight of our enemy against it, since we are powerless at this time to eject them.

I agree wholeheartedly, but then again, the Europeans never should have permitted this to occur. Muslim immigration cannot be cast as a benign phenomenon, culturally speaking. Nobody was ever under any illusion that the Arabs in France (for example) would just indefinately remain a bunch of docile coolies...it was pure apathy and cowardice on the part of the People that allowed this abhorrent policy to take hold. In contrast, the Mexican invasion is not really a Progressive tendency...its a bunch of poor, Third World riff raff who aren't really guided by any sort of genuine political tendency...plus, the elites believe they can be controlled with minimal incentives. This is a foolish account of affairs, but its understandable as to why the Public would believe it. The same cannot be said for Europeans with respect to the Muslim invasion.

Mike
12-12-2006, 02:37 AM
I'd have to agree with Mike's assessment of Herr Linder. He weighs in on the libertarian side too much for my tastes (check out the "socialized Medicine sucks" thread) but I've never seen him post anything pro-muslim. To me, being pro-muslim in the context of fighting the evil that has our race in a stranglehold is a a correct stance. The muslims are facing the same thing we are, and they are fighting it like men. For this they have my undying respect and admiration.He's lampooned libertarianism too. As I say, it's hard to pin him down. He's definitely an undying racial loyalist.

On the other hand, muslims in our living space is unacceptable, and when the time comes, it's off the land or under it. Until then, we should use the weight of our enemy against it, since we are powerless at this time to eject them.I agree with you here, and I didn't mean to come across too harsh about the muslim admirers. IMO some take it a bit too far, but I understand your view. "Off the land or under it" has a great ring to it.

Dances with Wolves
12-12-2006, 03:49 AM
What can I add to those last two posts? Great insight. We need more of this kind of discussion if we are to be successful.

Cheers, kinsmen :beerchug:

Burrhus
12-12-2006, 05:50 PM
I haven't read VNN regularly in years...people here and elsewhere take issue quite often with what they percieve as pro-Muslim sentiment over there, so I assumed it was flowing from the pen of Alex Linder himself.

When VNN first went online, I read many of Alex's screeds because he seemd to be making many waves within racialist circles, and that is where I developed my opinion(s) of his political orientation. As I said, in the early days I read much of his material to be little more than NS agitprop with a humorous/satirical bent.

It is mainly Miller and his acolytes who push the pro-moslem, the-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend line. Linder has not to my knowledege been very vocal on the issue but perhaps I missed his posts in this regard.

I have occasionally read VNNers express the "screw the Europeans, they deserve the moslem pox" sentiment that you mention but this is not common there from my reading.

For a good summary of VNN debate on the issue see:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=39133

Captain Marinesko
12-13-2006, 08:30 AM
The reason why this crap happens is because there is no sense of moderation within the movement. So either you support the Muslims or you support the Jews. Nobody has the capacity to consider that some Muslims are good and worth working with- and.....I hope you WNs are all sitting down....maybe...just MAYBE... there are some Jooz who are either completely assimilated or at least respect the idea of European self-determination.

I hope I didn't cause any heart attacks.


Basically what I'm saying is that the problem in this respect is that the WN movement is "anti-Jew"/"anti-Muslim" rather than being "pro-white".

Not that any of this bullshit matters to me anymore, it's just a little constructive criticism. I don't want the WN movement to totally go away because it's an endless source of entertainment.

Starr
12-13-2006, 08:51 AM
Moderation is a dirty word. That will lead to getting called something like a fence sitter. If you don't praise muslims sufficiently enough and ignore the negative, you are a jew or a neo con(the thread I linked to is shockingly retarded. The main vnn nutter actually believes that all reports of arab crimes are jew lies, just as I joked about earlier in the thread. And the guy who disagrees with him, is of course, secretly a jew:nuts: ) and on the other side of that if you don't want to drop bombs on them all, and do not believe 100% in the statement "they hate us for our freedoms" you are a muslim lover or other such bullshit as that.

Seeing what looks like insanity from a few can be a bit overwelming at times. The saddest part is how it looks to others, who could be somewhat with us.:(

there are some Jooz who are either completely assimilated or at least respect the idea of European self-determination

Those are the ones that you must believe are only acting to control both sides of the debate, you are either a jew or stupid if you question this "truth":rolleyes: They all think with one big hive mind and are all conspiring against you. They have multiple fake wn accounts on forums like vnn in order to get people like Brutus and to counter his spread of the word.:rofl: which is a great danger to them even though they have god like power.

Don Quixote
12-13-2006, 09:00 AM
And you are succeeding admirably.You cannot give Reputation to the same post twice.

Watzy
12-15-2006, 03:04 AM
Q: What do you get by crossing Beatniks with Nazis?
A: White Nationalists.

Dances with Wolves
12-15-2006, 04:09 AM
It is mainly Miller and his acolytes who push the pro-moslem, the-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend line. Linder has not to my knowledege been very vocal on the issue but perhaps I missed his posts in this regard.

I have occasionally read VNNers express the "screw the Europeans, they deserve the moslem pox" sentiment that you mention but this is not common there from my reading.

For a good summary of VNN debate on the issue see:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=39133

This poster sums it up quite nicely :D

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=441896&postcount=95

Dances with Wolves
12-15-2006, 04:29 AM
The reason why this crap happens is because there is no sense of moderation within the movement. So either you support the Muslims or you support the Jews. Nobody has the capacity to consider that some Muslims are good and worth working with- and.....I hope you WNs are all sitting down....maybe...just MAYBE... there are some Jooz who are either completely assimilated or at least respect the idea of European self-determination.

I hope I didn't cause any heart attacks.


Basically what I'm saying is that the problem in this respect is that the WN movement is "anti-Jew"/"anti-Muslim" rather than being "pro-white".

Not that any of this bullshit matters to me anymore, it's just a little constructive criticism. I don't want the WN movement to totally go away because it's an endless source of entertainment.

JP, you can't really believe this, can you? Every pro-white movement, every movement that had the interests of Whites at heart that let in jews have been subverted. My God JP! Just look at the conservative movement in the United States today! They have gotten us into a senseless war and are about ready to plunge us into WWIII! Not to mention that even though they have switched hats and become "neo-khans", they still push the same race-mixing, culture destroying bullshit they did when they were commies.

JP, I used to think like you did. They used to call me Red, believe it or not. I used to think that jews who seemed to have our interests could be worked with. I certainly wasn't born with the views I have now, I read and I learned, from both books and experience. I can tell you that the jews have only their OWN interests at heart, regardless of if they red hair and blue eyes or look like Gloria Red, of if they are the nicest people you have ever met.

They are destructive. It is their lot in life to corrupt and destroy. That may seem ridiculous to you now, but you're a smart kid and you'll figure that out one day. You have that fire in the belly that anyone can admire, and I know that you're going to come to the truth because you are a seeker.

Now stop trying to give us heart attacks and come home. You done gone and married the natives!

that guy
12-15-2006, 04:35 AM
I certainly wasn't born with the views I have now, I read and I learned, from both books and experience. I can tell you that the jews have only their OWN interests at heart, regardless of if they red hair and blue eyes or look like Gloria Red, of if they are the nicest people you have ever met.

They are destructive. It is their lot in life to corrupt and destroy. That may seem ridiculous to you now, but you're a smart kid and you'll figure that out one day.
Okay, I'll bite. How am I "destructive"? How am I "corrupting and destroying"?

Mike
12-15-2006, 04:37 AM
You swing from NS to Bolshevism at the drop of a hat. Who knows where your loyalties will lie next week? Perhaps Russian Orthodoxy? And yet, you present yourself as some sort of divine incarnation of the Golden Mean. I have to admit, I find that pretty comical.

The reason why this crap happens is because there is no sense of moderation within the movement.

Dances with Wolves
12-15-2006, 04:38 AM
So you're a jew Guy? I thought you said you weren't, over at VNN? :confused:

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive ;)

that guy
12-15-2006, 04:41 AM
So you're a jew Guy? I thought you said you weren't, over at VNN? :confused:

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive ;)
I never said I was not a jew, so by suggesting that I did, you are deceiving the readers. ;)

Kriger
12-15-2006, 05:08 AM
Guy has never alluded to not being of jewish heritage, either here or VNN. In truth, he will state that he is jewish from israel and ashkenazi.

Contrary to popular misconceptions, most people of jewish heritage do not either deny to be jewish or pretend not to be.

I am not sure if heritage is a good term, but I get confused with all the other guidelines for being a jew, and so I just say "heritage".

Starr
12-15-2006, 06:44 AM
Contrary to popular misconceptions, most people of jewish heritage do not either deny to be jewish or pretend not to be.




Of course they do. Look at all of the cryptokikes that hang out on racialist forums!

ivory bill
12-15-2006, 06:45 AM
So you're a jew Guy? I thought you said you weren't, over at VNN? :confused:

Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive ;)

It's true, Guy has been open and honest about his Jewishness. Now, Globus....

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-15-2006, 06:46 AM
Contrary to popular misconceptions, most people of jewish heritage do not either deny to be jewish or pretend not to be.

If everybody worldwide denied they were jewish, you wouldn't even have a concept of jewishness anymore.

Self-hating jews exist, but I think most jews are not self-hating.

Kriger
12-15-2006, 07:04 AM
Of course they do. Look at all of the cryptokikes that hang out on racialist forums!

Well, I am a commie punk. What do I know about cryptokikes?

:rofl:

Captain Marinesko
12-15-2006, 08:25 AM
JP, you can't really believe this, can you? Every pro-white movement, every movement that had the interests of Whites at heart that let in jews have been subverted.

Which ones? The NSDAP? True the parody of the "Jewish National Socialism" article is mostly bullshit but the Jews named in their, sans Hitler and Eichmann, were in fact Jews. So did Von Manstein bring down the Third Reich, or Milch? Rockwell was killed by a Greek guy, and yet he was hanging around with Burros but Burros was adopted and didn't find out about his Jewish heritage until later. At the same time Rockwell's other Jew, Holstein, was pretty loyal.



My God JP! Just look at the conservative movement in the United States today! They have gotten us into a senseless war and are about ready to plunge us into WWIII! Not to mention that even though they have switched hats and become "neo-khans", they still push the same race-mixing, culture destroying bullshit they did when they were commies.

The American conservative movement is not, nor has it ever been "pro-white". Sure they supported segregation in some places, but this does not make them pro-white.


JP, I used to think like you did. They used to call me Red, believe it or not. I used to think that jews who seemed to have our interests could be worked with.


It's not a matter of them having our same interests but rather if they respect our interests and/or leave us the hell alone.


I certainly wasn't born with the views I have now, I read and I learned, from both books and experience. I can tell you that the jews have only their OWN interests at heart, regardless of if they red hair and blue eyes or look like Gloria Red, of if they are the nicest people you have ever met.

How could you know so much about Jews..without possibly...Nah, I'm not going to do it. This isn't VNN.


They are destructive. It is their lot in life to corrupt and destroy. That may seem ridiculous to you now, but you're a smart kid and you'll figure that out one day. You have that fire in the belly that anyone can admire, and I know that you're going to come to the truth because you are a seeker.

No because I know how to think critically and when I see people corrupting and destroying, I won't ignore 9 to focus on the 1 Jew.


Now stop trying to give us heart attacks and come home. You done gone and married the natives!

The "natives" in Russia?

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-15-2006, 05:59 PM
Burros shot himself. But here's the thing, after he did, the his kkk buddies made a speech about how the "good jews" need to be accepted and how they should only bash the "bad jews."

Captain Marinesko
12-16-2006, 07:15 AM
Burros shot himself. But here's the thing, after he did, the his kkk buddies made a speech about how the "good jews" need to be accepted and how they should only bash the "bad jews."


Rockwell said similar things all the time. He would often say that he wanted to gas the "Commie Jews", or Jewish "traitors", not "every Jew".

In fact I bet a lot of people on VNN and SF would accuse him of being a traitor for that.

Say...that gives me an idea!