Confessions

[Anarch]

I'm tired of being a teenager. I'm tired living in this modern world. I don't enjoy 'metal', I don't enjoy rap. I don't enjoy fucking women I meet at clubs, I don't enjoy drugs and I don't enjoy getting shit-faced on alcohol every weekend. Which is why I don't. 'Time is out of joint'. I don't need a God to tell me how to be a decent man. I don't need to universalise any maxims of action, I don't need practical reasoning to understand what is virtuous and what is not. I don't like do-gooders, messianists, and some people I find... degenerate.

I think I have a lot more in common with Mazdak and Ixabert than I let people know. I am not a perfectly normal guy. I've had discussions with friends about 'hitting rock bottom', and I've come to the conclusion that hitting rock bottom - far from being a 'what does not kill you makes you stronger' trick - isn't worth aiming at. I'm not trying to make myself miserable, or more 'happy' in the same sense Christina Aguilera fans are attempting to. Happiness is not as important as doing what is proper, and pursuing excellence, and having a bit of crazy fun every now and then.

Right now I would like to phase into another time/space/era where I can find a beautiful and intelligent and kind hearted (and areligious) woman, get married, have a few kids, and read them Aesop's fables, the Illiad, teach them virtue ethics and greek philosophy, Shakespeare and Charles Dickens, boxing and cricket, target shooting and the art of eating pizza at one in the morning after you use black-powder in the garage to smoke spiders out, an appreciation for fine music, history, and the best western civilization has yet produced.

Unfortunately I was born into an era culturally dominated by decadent scum.

[Excorcism]

If Happiness is a contradiction between doing what you want, then it really isn't your happiness at all. Happiness is doing what you feel gets you pleasure, but I follow the Epicurean model in that happiness is good, as long as it doesn't lead to more pain than happiness. So if you're going to chug alot of tequila, be sure you have a designated driver and a toilet nearby (because you dont want ot clean it up in the morning) and if you're going to bang the hell out of anyone, wear a thick condom or else you'll wake up with a pregnant woman and/or a disease of some sort in the morning and all of that will be more painful than the quick rush from the night before.

So in other words, if you feel happy sitting around all day on the computer like I do, then fucking do it. I just don't feel happy when I worry about bills or food, so I work. I'm basically working on something to achieve greater happiness (laziness and comfort) in the future.

[jcs]

Unfortunately I was born into an era culturally dominated by decadent scum.
The problem is not degenerate modernity; all eras are full of 'decadent scum.' In every era, you will find that most people are shallow, that many people want to take your money, that flatterers and cowards dominate. The only changes undergone by man in all his history are alterations of appearance: we disguise our degeneracy differently in this era than we did in previous ones.
That, and one encounters 'decadent scum' more often because there's more people around now than in other times.

Is this a weariness of modernity--or a weariness of life?

[jcs]

I've had discussions with friends about 'hitting rock bottom', and I've come to the conclusion that hitting rock bottom isn't worth aiming at.
Of course. If one treats 'rock bottom' as an aim (I have no idea why one would; that's kind of masochistic, or cult-ish, given that there's a whole bunch of Palahniuk fans dying to 'hit rock bottom'), one will fail to 'hit rock bottom.' Of what avail are aims for one who has hit bottom?

- far from being a 'what does not kill you makes you stronger' trick -
This is a statement of fact, not something intended to encourage one to go through 'life's school of war' with the hope of getting stronger. "Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker."--how could 'I kill myself' (ich umbringe mich; literally 'I bring myself over') while still clinging to aims and goals such as strength?
How could one 'go under' while still trying to 'overcome'?--and yet 'overcoming' is the product of 'undergoing,' one 'brings oneself over' by 'going under'--a statement of fact, not of hopes and aims.

[Anarch]

Is this a weariness of modernity--or a weariness of life?

Modernity.

Of course. If one treats 'rock bottom' as an aim (I have no idea why one would; that's kind of masochistic, or cult-ish, given that there's a whole bunch of Palahniuk fans dying to 'hit rock bottom'), one will fail to 'hit rock bottom.' Of what avail are aims for one who has hit bottom?


Chucky P fans may see it as a badge of honour. :p Yes, it's warped to actually 'aspire' to hitting rock bottom.

[jcs]

Chucky P fans may see it as a badge of honour.
A friend of mine attempted suicide to try to reach 'rock bottom.' He suffered from histrionic personality disorder (and wasn't really trying to kill himself), bipolar personality disorder, and schizophrenia. Fun guy, when he was happy rather than depressed. He once grabbed my hand and bit down to the bone on two of my fingers. We also used to beat the hell out of each other in the hallway during our lunch period. Being huge, he was usually the one doing the beating. Then he started taking his meds, became a nicer person, and I considered him boring and stopped hanging out with him.
But I'm waxing nostalgic. More on topic: he was a Palahniuk fan, set 'rock bottom' as an aim, and once went to a book signing of Chuck's and came back with a rubber zombie head.

Modernity
You live in modernity. ;)

[Anarch]

A friend of mine attempted suicide to try to reach 'rock bottom.' He suffered from histrionic personality disorder (and wasn't really trying to kill himself), bipolar personality disorder, and schizophrenia. Fun guy, when he was happy rather than depressed. He once grabbed my hand and bit down to the bone on two of my fingers. We also used to beat the hell out of each other in the hallway during our lunch period. Being huge, he was usually the one doing the beating. Then he started taking his meds, became a nicer person, and I considered him boring and stopped hanging out with him.
But I'm waxing nostalgic. More on topic: he was a Palahniuk fan, set 'rock bottom' as an aim, and once went to a book signing of Chuck's and came back with a rubber zombie head.

:rofl: Nice one. Hitting rock bottom isn't something you aim for and then achieve. You aim in quite the opposite direction and then fail while still clutching on to your own ideal and eventually 'give up'. That's when you hit rock bottom. Tis a side effect, I've concluded.

You live in modernity. ;)

I'm aware of that :( Oh well. Worker - Rebel - Anarch. There is optimism, of sorts.

[jcs]

Nice one. Hitting rock bottom isn't something you aim for and then achieve. You aim in quite the opposite direction and then fail while still clutching on to your own ideal and eventually 'give up'. That's when you hit rock bottom. Tis a side effect, I've concluded.
I'd say one would 'hit rock bottom' while pursuing an unreachable aim, yet not giving up, even after realizing that the aim is unreachable. Abandoning the aim while still pursuing it; committing oneself to failure yet failing to give up, and confronting the unconfrontability of frustration.

And "optimism is cowardice" ;)

[daisy]

I don't like do-gooders, messianists, and some people I find degeneratewell you did call me degenerate in the racist thread so i guess that means you don't like me. i hope you get to feeling better though. i wouldn't want you to be down and out. cheer up life will get better soon. i will say a prayer for you!

[Anarch]

My calling you degenerate had less to do with your angel half but the fact that you're half-and-half :p

I'd say one would 'hit rock bottom' while pursuing an unreachable aim, yet not giving up, even after realizing that the aim is unreachable. Abandoning the aim while still pursuing it; committing oneself to failure yet failing to give up, and confronting the unconfrontability of frustration.

You love your unconfrontability of frustration, don't you?

And "optimism is cowardice" ;)

Yes and no. Optimism defined as active forces, no. Now, go and read Deleuze's Nietzsche and Philosophy.

[jcs]

You love your unconfrontability of frustration, don't you?
Yep. It's one of the most interesting things I've come across in my life.

Optimism defined as active forces, no.
Elaborate. As this stands, I assume you mean optimism that prompts action? Doesn't matter; optimism is still a cowardly flight from good ol' pessimism.

Now, go and read Deleuze's Nietzsche and Philosophy.
You can't make me!
(sometime after the holidays)

[Anarch]

Yep. It's one of the most interesting things I've come across in my life.

That's saying a lot :D

Elaborate. As this stands, I assume you mean optimism that prompts action? Doesn't matter; optimism is still a cowardly flight from good ol' pessimism.

Overflowing power. Your persistent pessimism leads me to suspect you are castrati :p

You can't make me!
(sometime after the holidays)

[daisy]

i already said the prayer. i hope God still loves me enough to answer it right away even though i don't have the full holy spirit right now. i even asked God to make you so happy that you laugh and sing and dance tomorrow.

[jcs]

Overflowing power.
So optimism as the synonym of 'happiness,' the product of an increase in power, Nietzschean calculus?

Your persistent pessimism leads me to suspect you are castrati
My pessimism is not the product of, nor conducive to, depression. One can be a happy, 'optimistic' (power-overflowing) pessimist.

I'll say a prayer for you, too. :p

[daisy]

hey lucifer maybe you are one of God's angels and you don't like some of those scummy humans!

[Jonathan]

Ah Lucifer, your self-examinations are always a breath of fresh air.





















How did that^ statement make you feel(answer truthfully)?

Unfortunately I'm going through a "deep blue funk" at the moment myself, so I can't offer much. For now, all I can say is "hang on" and "it'll be alright in the end". What you need isn't optimism, it's fortitude. I'll get back to this when I can.

[Anarch]

Ah Lucifer, your self-examinations are always a breath of fresh air.

Thanks, I gues.

How did that^ statement make you feel(answer truthfully)?

You're trying to play shrink with me, aren't you? I see what you're trying to do... :nono: :rofl: I do this more for myself than for others.

Unfortunately I'm going through a "deep blue funk" at the moment myself, so I can't offer much. For now, all I can say is "hang on" and "it'll be alright in the end". What you need isn't optimism, it's fortitude. I'll get back to this when I can.

Time for me to re-read Evola, I think.

[Jonathan]

You're trying to play shrink with me, aren't you?
I'm trying to help.:) ...I enjoy it too.

I see what you're trying to do... :nono:
But what's your problem with it(I suppose you think I'm playing shrink with this question too...maybe I am?)?

:rofl: I do this more for myself than for others.
Go on them, indulge yourself. I might enjoy it too;) .

Time for me to re-read Evola, I think.
Whatever floats your boat.

P.S.Have you ever tried the Myers-Briggs tests, or the Enneagram?

[Anarch]

I'm trying to help.:) ...I enjoy it too.

I know.

But what's your problem with it(I suppose you think I'm playing shrink with this question too...maybe I am?)?

*backs into corner, brandishing a knife as shrinks in white coats move menacingly towards me* I know what you're doing! You're all working for THEM! You're trying to get into my mind and control me and make me insane! I'm normal! I'm not insane! AH!!!!!!!!!!! ;) :rofl:

Whatever floats your boat.

P.S.Have you ever tried the Myers-Briggs tests, or the Enneagram?

I have a feeling you'd enjoy Men Amongst the Ruins by Evola. Yeah, I've taken those tests, but I don't remember my results. I shall hunt 'em down on the net and do them immediately and return with my results.

[Jonathan]

I know.
I know you know. But did you know that I would know that you knew that I knew you'd know that you knew I knew that I'd ...:rofl:

*backs into corner, brandishing a knife as shrinks in white coats move menacingly towards me* I know what you're doing! You're all working for THEM! You're trying to get into my mind and control me and make me insane! I'm normal! I'm not insane! AH!!!!!!!!!!! ;) :rofl:
*voice on the other end of my phone*: Yes, that's right, he went out of control. We need more men in white coats, big me...with tazers...And ppossiblly a young priest and an old priest.

I have a feeling you'd enjoy Men Amongst the Ruins by Evola.
I'm sure I'd enjoy alot of that stuff that you read. Did I ever tell you that Atlas Shrugged disapeared? I've been busy these days anyway though.

Yeah, I've taken those tests, but I don't remember my results. I shall hunt 'em down on the net and do them immediately and return with my results.
On Myers-Briggs I get a different result each time depending on what mood I'm in:( ...on the Enneagram I always get results just in between the different numbers i.e. not exactly X, but not exactly Y either... But if it works for you, it might help you. Post the results.

[Anarch]

Meyers Briggs test results:

Your Type is
INTJ
Introverted Intuitive Thinking Judging
Strength of the preferences %
22 100 62 33

What I expected.

An Enneagram test I did.

Type 1 Perfectionism||||||||||||||||66%
Type 2 Helpfulness||||||||||40%
Type 3 Image Focus||||||||||||||||62%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity||||||||||38%
Type 5 Detachment||||||||||||||58%
Type 6 Anxiety||||||||||||42%
Type 7 Adventurousness||||||||||||||56%
Type 8 Aggressiveness||||||||||||||||67%
Type 9 Calmness||||||||||||||||||72%

[Jonathan]

http://typelogic.com/intj.html

[Anarch]

I know you know. But did you know that I would know that you knew that I knew you'd know that you knew I knew that I'd ...:rofl:

Yes. Yes I did. :D

*voice on the other end of my phone*: Yes, that's right, he went out of control. We need more men in white coats, big me...with tazers...And ppossiblly a young priest and an old priest.

'GET THAT PRIEST AWAY FROM ME! NO PRIESTS! DAMN YOU FATHER! YOU MAY HAVE TAKEN THE VIRGINITY OF DOZENS OF LITTLE BOYS BUT YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY MIND! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!' :rofl:

I'm sure I'd enjoy alot of that stuff that you read. Did I ever tell you that Atlas Shrugged disapeared? I've been busy these days anyway though.

Damn. Talk to a book store and get them to order a copy in from London if you can't find it in Ireland. I think you should be able to find it though.

On Myers-Briggs I get a different result each time depending on what mood I'm in:( ...on the Enneagram I always get results just in between the different numbers i.e. not exactly X, but not exactly Y either... But if it works for you, it might help you. Post the results.

They are posted.

[Jonathan]

Shit, I've done the test a few times now and the only thing that satys constant in the J at the end. Damn me.

[Jonathan]

Yes. Yes I did. :D
I knew you would...did you know that! OK that's getting sad.

'GET THAT PRIEST AWAY FROM ME! NO PRIESTS! DAMN YOU FATHER! YOU MAY HAVE TAKEN THE VIRGINITY OF DOZENS OF LITTLE BOYS BUT YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY MIND! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!' :rofl:
The power of Christ compels you!

Damn. Talk to a book store and get them to order a copy in from London if you can't find it in Ireland. I think you should be able to find it though.
I'll get hold of them one of the days.

They are posted.
I'm looking into it. Usually there are good sites in relation to these tests to explain how certain "types" get on best in life et al.

[Anarch]

Yeah, I'm reading the one you just posted a link to. Fits pretty damn well IMO.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, I'm reading the one you just posted a link to. Fits pretty damn well IMO.

Alot of it jumped out at me.


P.S. Unfortunately nothing is perfect hence all perfectionists(including you) are destined to frustration.

[ironweed]

Live and learn. Jack is about the last person on earth I ever would've taken for a fan of Dickens. Would've thought him too sentimental and far too broad a charitable streak for Jack.

Figured he'd have wanted to read his kids Atlas Shrugged. :p

[Anarch]

Would you rather I read them the Turner Diaries? :D

[sugartits]

Don't read young children Charles Dickens. They may never want to pick up a book again.

[Aule]

INTP, and I hate Dickens.

[jcs]

I hate Dickens
Likewise. Lucifer, have mercy: if you plan to read Dickens to your children, avoid impregnating women, or make them get abortions. :p

[Péter]

Read Imre Madách and you'll feel better:

"Freely to choose between virtue
and sin: how great a truth revealed;
and yet to know that over us
the grace of God stands as shield.
Act boldly then, and do not grieve
if the masses show ingratitude;
not self-esteem should be your goal
but deeds, great deeds, to be persued
for shame of doing less than that.
For know, awareness of such shame
nails to the earth the weak-willed man,
but spurs the the strong to highest aim.
But in the splendor of your course
do not be blinded by the thought
that you have added to God's glory
by anything that you have wrought,
or that he needs as you as his tool
to help fulfill his great design:
it's you win grace when you're allowed
to act in place of the divine."

[jcs]

Read Imre Madách and you'll feel better.
One shouldn't read Hungarian filth! (http://www.mek.iif.hu/porta/szint/human/szepirod/magyar/madach/tragedy/tragedy.htm)

[Anarch]

Don't read young children Charles Dickens. They may never want to pick up a book again.

ROFL. Thanks Vanessa :rofl: No, I don't read Dickens. I plan to, at some point. If I woke up tomorrow and I was thirty and I had to read a six year old son a book for a bedtime story, it'd be The Brothers Karamazov. Or The Iliad. Or Atlas Shrugged. Actually Atlas Shrugged would probably be a decent bedtime story for a kid...

[Helios Panoptes]

I took that Enneagram test, which I'd never heard of. Scored highest as the investigator, followed by the challenger. I scored an even 0 as the helper. :o

[Jonathan]

Read Imre Madách and you'll feel better:

great deeds, to be persued
for shame of doing less than that.

Those are the worst lines I've ever read in my entire life. The poet obviously has no idea what it's like to live like that.

[sugartits]

ROFL. Thanks Vanessa :rofl: No, I don't read Dickens. I plan to, at some point. If I woke up tomorrow and I was thirty and I had to read a six year old son a book for a bedtime story, it'd be The Brothers Karamazov. Or The Iliad. Or Atlas Shrugged. Actually Atlas Shrugged would probably be a decent bedtime story for a kid...

I think children should be read children's books...kids like pictures and rhymes and expressive words, and have short attention spans. That will make them interested in reading when they get older. Of course if they enjoy being read literature, whytf not? :p But just think of how many times the story would be interrupted with questions lol "Why does he have a funny name, daddy?" What's a___?" "Why?" "Why?" Little sponges. Kids already ask 100 questions about See Spot Run and Dr Suess.

[Péter]

Those are the worst lines I've ever read in my entire life. The poet obviously has no idea what it's like to live like that.

What's so bad about this translation? Your nebulous critique left me scratching my head. Did you not comprehend the meaning of those verses?

[Jonathan]

What's so bad about this translation? Your nebulous critique left me scratching my head. Did you not comprehend the meaning of those verses?
As far as I can see, the lines:
great deeds, to be persued
for shame of doing less than that.
Seem to imply that "a fear of being a failure/nobody" should be the main motivation for "doing great deed". Do you have any idea what kind of a life that is? I'll tell you. It's a life where you spend every spare minute of your time worrying about what's left to, and beating yourself up over what you haven't done (even things that you don't need to do), just so that you can reach some unattainable level of satisfaction with yourself, but you'll never reach that level because of the very nature of your personality - you have to keep achieving and winning, because if you don't, you loose all credibility with yourself. In that kind of a lifestyle, everything that you succeed at "isn't good enough" or "should be a little better", and anything that you fail at is a crushing blow to your universe i.e. Either you can be "unsatisfied" at best, or "a failure" a worst.

Ideally people should be able to achieve what they like, when they like, and then sit back and bask in the glory. The poet is advocating the opposite.

Believe me when I tell you that I know what I'm talking about here.

[Dionysus]

great deeds, to be persued
for shame of doing less than that.

i.e doing less than persuing great deeds. So as not to fall into mediocrity.;)

[Jonathan]

i.e doing less than persuing great deeds. So as not to fall into mediocrity.;)
But isn't that whole mode of thought based on fear? fear of falling into mediocrity?

[Dionysus]

But isn't that whole mode of thought based on fear? fear of falling into mediocrity?No. Just not desiring to fall into mediocrity.:nono:

[Jonathan]

No. Just not desiring to fall into mediocrity.:nono:
But "not desiring to fall into mediocrity" is based on "a fear of falling into mediocrity" rather than "contentment" or even "a will to achieve".

[Dionysus]

But "not desiring to fall into mediocrity" is based on "a fear of falling into mediocrity"...Prove it, please?

[Anarch]

Do you have any idea what kind of a life that is? I'll tell you. It's a life where you spend every spare minute of your time worrying about what's left to, and beating yourself up over what you haven't done (even things that you don't need to do), just so that you can reach some unattainable level of satisfaction with yourself, but you'll never reach that level because of the very nature of your personality - you have to keep achieving and winning, because if you don't, you loose all credibility with yourself. In that kind of a lifestyle, everything that you succeed at "isn't good enough" or "should be a little better", and anything that you fail at is a crushing blow to your universe i.e. Either you can be "unsatisfied" at best, or "a failure" a worst.

You'd be suprised how far the negative personality can take you. I'm living proof. I have honestly achieved more from self-disgust and rage than greed and ambition have ever gotten me. Unfortunately - perhaps - that stage is over.

[Jonathan]

Prove it, please?
For Shame of doing less.
The poem speaks very clearly.

[Jonathan]

You'd be suprised how far the negative personality can take you.
No I wouldn't. I'm living proof of it too. But what I'm saying is that it's not necessarily a "good" thing. Negative motivation is hell on earth - as I've decribed it.

[Anarch]

No I wouldn't. I'm living proof of it too. But what I'm saying is that it's not necessarily a "good" thing. Negative motivation is hell on earth - as I've decribed it.
Precisely. It gets you places, sure. Doesn't mean you can appreciate them. Not until you lose the negative personality, which is why I'm reminded of the Roman God Janus - it's both a blessing (in terms of willpower) and a curse (the ability to appreciate) at the same time.

[Dionysus]

For Shame of doing less.
The poem speaks very clearly.Fear and Shame are different.

[jcs]

For shame of doing less
The Greeks had a similar mentality. Will-toward excellence must be accompanied by a will-away-from mediocrity, and one will often oscillate between the two.
It is a simple fact that the man who strives for greatness will inevitably feel ashamed of his mediocrity; failure breeds discontent in the heart of the great man.

[Péter]

As far as I can see, the lines:
great deeds, to be persued
for shame of doing less than that.
Seem to imply that "a fear of being a failure/nobody" should be the main motivation for "doing great deed". Do you have any idea what kind of a life that is? I'll tell you. It's a life where you spend every spare minute of your time worrying about what's left to, and beating yourself up over what you haven't done (even things that you don't need to do), just so that you can reach some unattainable level of satisfaction with yourself, but you'll never reach that level because of the very nature of your personality - you have to keep achieving and winning, because if you don't, you loose all credibility with yourself. In that kind of a lifestyle, everything that you succeed at "isn't good enough" or "should be a little better", and anything that you fail at is a crushing blow to your universe i.e. Either you can be "unsatisfied" at best, or "a failure" a worst.

Satisfaction is the death of desire. Death of desire is the death of the the will to life. Life is the eternal struggle; it is in this struggle that we must find our joy!

[Péter]

You'd be suprised how far the negative personality can take you. I'm living proof. I have honestly achieved more from self-disgust and rage than greed and ambition have ever gotten me. Unfortunately - perhaps - that stage is over.

"And in your thoughts did you not sense the void
that was the obstacle to every being
and that compelled you to create?
This obstacle was Lucifer,
the primal spirit of negation."

[riddlemethis]

I'm tired of being a teenager. I'm tired living in this modern world. I don't enjoy 'metal', I don't enjoy rap. I don't enjoy fucking women I meet at clubs, I don't enjoy drugs and I don't enjoy getting shit-faced on alcohol every weekend. Which is why I don't. 'Time is out of joint'. I don't need a God to tell me how to be a decent man. I don't need to universalise any maxims of action, I don't need practical reasoning to understand what is virtuous and what is not. I don't like do-gooders, messianists, and some people I find... degenerate.

I think I have a lot more in common with Mazdak and Ixabert than I let people know. I am not a perfectly normal guy. I've had discussions with friends about 'hitting rock bottom', and I've come to the conclusion that hitting rock bottom - far from being a 'what does not kill you makes you stronger' trick - isn't worth aiming at. I'm not trying to make myself miserable, or more 'happy' in the same sense Christina Aguilera fans are attempting to. Happiness is not as important as doing what is proper, and pursuing excellence, and having a bit of crazy fun every now and then.

Right now I would like to phase into another time/space/era where I can find a beautiful and intelligent and kind hearted (and areligious) woman, get married, have a few kids, and read them Aesop's fables, the Illiad, teach them virtue ethics and greek philosophy, Shakespeare and Charles Dickens, boxing and cricket, target shooting and the art of eating pizza at one in the morning after you use black-powder in the garage to smoke spiders out, an appreciation for fine music, history, and the best western civilization has yet produced.

Unfortunately I was born into an era culturally dominated by decadent scum.


You know you're back at the Phora when you spot those two in the same post.

That said, I'm glad I took the time to browse this forum again. Coming back here has reminded me of what I dislike about your mindsets (yes, all of your mindsets, excepting the doubtful case that some "exceptions" joined after I left). More than anything I've done recently, it has reminded me of exactly how not to live my life. (More to come later.)

Regards,
A former member

[jcs]

More to come later.
I can't wait to see the criticism of Lucifer's seemingly* absolutist disgust for degeneracy with some absolutist judgements of your own!!!

*seemingly, because he's lived as a degenerate himself and probably isn't condemning anyone but himself; he's not really playing the absolutist--this is a 'confession,' after all...

[Jimbo Gomez]

If you don't like the place, why bother posting?

[jcs]

If you don't like the place, why bother posting?
The hypocrite wants to throw stones at those sinners whose sin was throwing stones.

[Jimbo Gomez]

A brave thing to do in anonimity.

[Anarch]

The hypocrite wants to throw stones at those sinners whose sin was throwing stones.

You know, there's a sign in the train carriages here in Melbourne that says if you throw stones you can kill people. :cool:

[Jonathan]

@Bodewin:
In this context it's all the same. It's negative motivation.

@vászoly:
"it is in this struggle that we must find our joy!" - true, but the poem implies that one should live in a manner which is not "salubrous".

@riddlemethis:
I'd love to know what you dislike about my mindset. Please fill me in.:)

[Helios Panoptes]

Regards,
A former member

I get it. Everyone thought you were a dunce when you posted, so you've returned to chastise them anonymously because if you revealed your identity you wouldn't be taken seriously. Perhaps more accurate would be to say you would be taken even less seriously.

[sugartits]

Excuse me while I Nietzsche.

"The man who wants to gain wisdom profits greatly from having thought for a time that man is basically evil and degenerate: this idea is wrong, like its opposite, but for whole periods of time it was predominant and its roots have sunk deep into us and into our world. To understand ourselves we must understand it; but to climb higher, we must then climb over and beyond it."

[Anarch]

You know you're back at the Phora when you spot those two in the same post.

Thanks.

That said, I'm glad I took the time to browse this forum again. Coming back here has reminded me of what I dislike about your mindsets (yes, all of your mindsets, excepting the doubtful case that some "exceptions" joined after I left). More than anything I've done recently, it has reminded me of exactly how not to live my life. (More to come later.)

Regards,
A former member

Feel free to leave if you don't like it :)

[Anarch]

Excuse me while I Nietzsche.

"The man who wants to gain wisdom profits greatly from having thought for a time that man is basically evil and degenerate: this idea is wrong, like its opposite, but for whole periods of time it was predominant and its roots have sunk deep into us and into our world. To understand ourselves we must understand it; but to climb higher, we must then climb over and beyond it."

True enough. All will be surpassed in due time.

[Geist]

Right now I would like to phase into another time/space/era where I can find a beautiful and intelligent and kind hearted (and areligious) woman, get married, have a few kids, and read them Aesop's fables, the Illiad, teach them virtue ethics and greek philosophy, Shakespeare and Charles Dickens, boxing and cricket, target shooting and the art of eating pizza at one in the morning after you use black-powder in the garage to smoke spiders out, an appreciation for fine music, history, and the best western civilization has yet produced.

Unfortunately I was born into an era culturally dominated by decadent scum.

Jack, you want to be...Victorian. That is your 'problem'.

[raven]

The Victorian Era sucked. I can't stand Queen Victoria. The only positive thing that came out of her is the Two Four long weekend in Canada.

[daisy]

unfortunately i was born into an era culturally dominated by decadent scum
i was lucky i was born into a segregated (albino) white america. of course that didn't last long.
now me, my children, my grandchildren are surrounded and out numbered by america's enemies.
the gov wants to always keep us albinos out numbered so we will eventually feel that we can't beat them so we might as well join them. this will force albinos to begin outbreeding them.
* we were surrounded and out numbered by south african black enemies for the longest. our albino children were used to outbreed at least 300,000 or more of them.
* now we are surrounded and outnumbered by hispanics. our albino grandchildren will have no choice but to eventually outbreed them. there are albino chicanos here to help with spanish language barriers.
* now there are black arab muslims here next in line to be outbreeded.
our albino offsprings futures are as breeding slaves

[Ahmadinebobina]

Are we still 'confessing'?
Lets.

[WFHermans]

I just took 3,5 sleeping pills, where only 1 is supposedly needed.

It's isn't lethal by any stretch, still it will garantee I will sleep like a log, which it what I wanted. :)

Vision gets blurry, which is irritating.

[Aule]

I could see myself becoming a heroin addict.

[Julian Curtis Lee]

I would advise the poster to try to find out why he lives in a world of decadence. Investigate what brings positive and negative change to the world. How does the world degrade? How does it improve? What is the mechanism of world change? Also find out if you have anything to do with it; whether any of it is under your control or not. And try mightily to manifest/create that ideal world and family life you dream of, and the necessary supporting world if possible. That is my advice. Your dreams and aspirations are excellent. I would advise you to have faith that your aspirations are possible, as well as a better outer world.

You might call me a "messianic" type, but I only speak the truth I have myself experienced, and I speak it for a positive motive, to spread good cheer. If I didn't give a damn, then I would not give you any advice or good cheer, and I guess not be a "messianic" type, and you might like me better. But what the hell.