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Ace Rimmer
12-15-2006, 07:00 PM
Happy Hanukkah to all followers of Judaism.

Slavic Enforcer
12-15-2006, 07:06 PM
Happy Hanuta from me too!

Zrinski
12-15-2006, 09:40 PM
Jagshemash! :p

koch curve
12-15-2006, 09:40 PM
lighting the first candle in about an hour



already had a symbolic lighting with some israeli friends a few hours ago via forum XD

MrAngry
12-15-2006, 09:42 PM
Happy Hanukkah to all who celebrate... :)

हिन्दुस्तान
12-15-2006, 10:07 PM
Happy Hanukkah to all followers of Judaism.

Likewise.

...

Keystone
12-15-2006, 10:16 PM
I want the title of this thread changed to "Happy Hannukah/Merry Christmas" or I swear I'll sue...

Heavens to Betsy
12-15-2006, 10:18 PM
Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel!

Starr
12-15-2006, 10:24 PM
I want the title of this thread changed to "Happy Hannukah/Merry Christmas" or I swear I'll sue...


I would be in with you. A class action lawsuit, perhaps. I feel discriminated against.
Happy Hanukkah/Merry Christmas is still not good enough however. There are a few people of lots of different religions here, and athiests who might also be offended. Maybe the thread should just be deleted entirely, otherwise someone might cry.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-15-2006, 10:25 PM
I want the title of this thread changed to "Happy Hannukah/Merry Christmas" or I swear I'll sue...
lol I do agree this is one legitamate criticism about jews...one legetimate criticism in an ocean of retardation.

bardamu
12-15-2006, 11:32 PM
lol I do agree this is one legitamate criticism about jews...one legetimate criticism in an ocean of retardation.

The most odious aspect of the Jewish war on Christmas is as major retailers they make so much money off of it. Yet still they resent, and resent, and resent.

Starr
12-15-2006, 11:44 PM
The most odious aspect of the Jewish war on Christmas is as major retailers they make so much money off of it. Yet still they resent, and resent, and resent.


Some of them probably resent the idea that the holiday might still mean a little more to people than spending tons of money and buying junk. How much more money have these people made since Christmas became less religious based and more commercialized?

Thomas777
12-15-2006, 11:49 PM
I am mourning the defeat of the Seleucids as we speak.

Keystone
12-15-2006, 11:51 PM
Some of them probably resent the idea that the holiday might still mean a little more to people than spending tons of money and buying junk. How much more money have these people made since Christmas became less religious based and more commercialized?
I'm sure you've heard retailers moaning about slow Christmas seasons, and how much they depend on holiday shoppers to stay in the black for the year.

Well, fuck them. If you're that short-sighted and can't keep a business going without the artificial windfall of Christmas, you shouldn't be in business.

Burrhus
12-16-2006, 12:09 AM
lol I do agree this is one legitamate criticism about jews...one legetimate criticism in an ocean of retardation.

As Shakespeare once wrote, "The rest is silence."

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-16-2006, 12:11 AM
I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?

Helios Panoptes
12-16-2006, 12:14 AM
I'm sorry, but what the hell are you talking about?

You misspelled the same word two different ways in one sentence.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-16-2006, 12:15 AM
How is this relevant to the topic?

bardamu
12-16-2006, 12:17 AM
Some of them probably resent the idea that the holiday might still mean a little more to people than spending tons of money and buying junk. How much more money have these people made since Christmas became less religious based and more commercialized?


The Jews like the golden goose alright, they just want it to have a sex change.
Of course the War on Christmas wakes up thousands of Whites yearly so for that it is a good thing.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-16-2006, 12:18 AM
If the only thing you can do is criticize my spelling, that really tells me a lot about you. It says much more about you then it does about me. What it says is that you are pompous just like the rep I received told me when I flamed you last time.

It also says you have a tendency to troll threads off topic.

Dances with Wolves
12-16-2006, 12:57 AM
Happy Hanukkah to you and your fellows. Where the hell is Muscle Power?


Now get out there and start shopping for gifts so you can destroy your holiday the same way we have!

HAIL MAMMON!!!

BOW TO THE COW!



Umm...they are busy destroying YOURS as we speak.

yllica
12-16-2006, 02:31 AM
Just to state a remarkable stat: this thread is showing 22 posts and just 23 views.

The viewers interested by the title are remarkably likely to hold an opinion on the issue, yet no-one else is even interested in reading the thread, and once they have posted interested parties don't give a shit.

That's Hannukah!

Carlos Danger
12-16-2006, 02:36 AM
The viewers interested by the title are remarkably likely to hold an opinion on the issue, yet no-one else is even interested in reading the thread, and once they have posted interested parties don't give a shit.
That's got to be antisemitic.

Kriger
12-16-2006, 02:38 AM
Maybe I just live out of mainstream America, but just how is Christmas being destroyed?

I see Christmas everywhere.

As far as Hanukkah goes, it would be good for koch curve or someone to explain what it is about and the rituals that come with it.

The Retard
12-16-2006, 05:19 AM
Maybe I just live out of mainstream America, but just how is Christmas being destroyed?

I see Christmas everywhere.

As far as Hanukkah goes, it would be good for koch curve or someone to explain what it is about and the rituals that come with it.

Wii destroyed Christmas!

Mike
12-16-2006, 05:52 AM
Happy Hanukkah to all followers of Judaism.
Happy Hanukkah? I think you meant to say "happy holidays". On the second thought, how about, fuck the "followers of Judaism". Hallmark should come up with a card for that special holiday message.

Merry Christmas to the heirs of White Christendom!

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-16-2006, 06:04 AM
Merry Christmas to the heirs of White Christendom!
Since when has christianity ever been about inheritance? It's always been about beliefs (protestantism) or going through rituals (catholicism)? You can't inherit christianity.

Dances with Wolves
12-16-2006, 06:10 AM
Happy Hanukkah? I think you meant to say "happy holidays". On the second thought, how about, fuck the "followers of Judaism". Hallmark should come up with a card for that special holiday message.

Merry Christmas to the heirs of White Christendom!

Merry Christmas to you, my White kinsman! :beerchug:

Mike
12-16-2006, 06:16 AM
Belief and rituals are important, but so is Tradition. Tradition is inherited, and rightfully so. A culture rejects its tradition only at great, likely mortal peril. Jews know this, and that's why they have tried to put Christianity in the crosshairs for some decades now. It's why they drum on these outrages like "happy holidays". Jews will always be hostile to the things that make the people of the West strong, be it reason, or racialism, or Christianity.


Since when has christianity ever been about inheritance? It's always been about beliefs (protestantism) or going through rituals (catholicism)? You can't inherit christianity.

that guy
12-16-2006, 06:30 AM
Jews will always be hostile to the things that make the people of the West strong, be it reason, or racialism, or Christianity.
In your opinion, you mean. I don't think you can make such precise predictions regarding the future behavior of jews in these changing times, Mike. But if you insist on doing so, I presume that in your calculations you take into consideration the extremely high intermarriage rate between jews and non-jews in the US today, yes?

And yes, I realize that you would claim that your opinion is based on "reason", "observations", "etc".

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-16-2006, 06:32 AM
I don't think you can say its every jew, but organized jewry has certainly been fighting against christianity. The term "judeo-christian" is a joke. As if jews and christians get along.

that guy
12-16-2006, 06:38 AM
I don't think you can say its every jew, but organized jewry has certainly been fighting against christianity. The term "judeo-christian" is a joke. As if jews and christians get along.
I was referring to the "Jews will always be.." claim, and specifically to the word "always".

Mike
12-16-2006, 06:58 AM
In your opinion, you mean. I don't think you can make such precise predictions regarding the future behavior of jews in these changing times, Mike. But if you insist on doing so, I presume that in your calculations you take into consideration the extremely high intermarriage rate between jews and non-jews in the US today, yes?The world's a complicated place, and far be it from me to make confident predictions as to whether Jewish behavior will change (it might), but I can sure observe what has passed to date. The intermarriage situation is an interesting "fly in the ointment", indisputably hazardous to Jewish survival at current rates. Let's remember however that Jewish intermarriage is not entirely a negative for Jewish survival. Firstly, Jewish intermarriage siphons off the less tribe-minded Jews, leaving a stronger core; secondly, Jewish marital emigrants constitute an important outer circle of the Jewish community, a liaison with the host culture, and de facto ambassadors who give the impression to large numbers of people that Jews are less alien than they really are. Naturally, there's no disputing that the thing is going too far, so maybe this century Jews will become absorbed and collapse as an ethnic power base (while continuing on an individual or family level for a bit longer). Personally, I refuse to underestimate the Jewish power of continuity, which has sustained the Jews for millenia, and thus I believe the intermarriage crisis will pass.

And yes, I realize that you would claim that your opinion is based on "reason", "observations", "etc".Reason would dicatate that cultures try to preserve themselves. I argue that the Jewish power structure has been trying to undermine that reason.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-16-2006, 07:00 AM
I refuse to underestimate the Jewish power of continuity, which have sustained the Jews for millenia, and thus I believe the intermarriage crisis will pass.
I disagree for one reason. We live in a different world now, especially in America. You see jews stayed together because in europe catholicism and orthodoxy were official state religion and they discriminated against people who didn't follow those religions. And so jews became a nation within a nation. The fact that america is protestant without a state religion makes assimilation much easier.

that guy
12-16-2006, 07:09 AM
...Firstly, Jewish intermarriage siphons off the less tribe-minded Jews, leaving a stronger core; secondly, Jewish marital emigrants constitute an important outer circle of the Jewish community, a liaison with the host culture, and de facto ambassadors who give the impression to large numbers of people that Jews are less alien than they really are.
You make it sound like the jewish "tribe" is an organism, and each person is like one cell in this tribal organism.

Naturally, there's no disputing that the thing is going too far, so maybe this century Jews will become absorbed and collapse as an ethnic power base (while continuing on an individual or family level for a bit longer). Personally, I refuse to underestimate the Jewish power of continuity, which has sustained the Jews for millenia, and thus I believe the intermarriage crisis will pass.
Aryans have been here just as long as jews. Could the same thing be said about them?

Isabella
12-16-2006, 08:01 AM
Belief and rituals are important, but so is Tradition. Tradition is inherited, and rightfully so. A culture rejects its tradition only at great, likely mortal peril.In the US, dominant traditions include liberalism, democracy and plutocracy much more than any old fashioned form of Christianity. Leave aside that the first two are based on lies and never work as advertised... The point is that in the US, the dominant tradition has never been orthodox christianity. American traditions have always been justified, in part, by weird forms of deism, masonry, "natural law" spiel (originally rooted in theology), and quasi-christian heresies. But a traditional Christian wonderland, it never has been.

Here's a very philosemitic letter by George Washington himself, to a synagogue no less:
http://www.au.org/site/DocServer/Washingtons_Letter_To_Touro_Synagogue.pdf?docID=146

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-16-2006, 08:03 AM
Protestantism is the only respectable form of christianity. On the principle, I stand firm.

I do not respect Catholicism, Orthodoxy, Mormonism, or Identity Christianity.

B-Pep
12-16-2006, 08:06 AM
All of the Croatians on this board wishing the jews a happy hannukah, what a shock! :rolleyes:

Vasily Zaitsev
12-16-2006, 09:42 AM
In the US, dominant traditions include liberalism, democracy and plutocracy much more than any old fashioned form of Christianity

Depends on the group you're talking about. Among the urban elite I'd say you're dead on.

Out in the Scotch-Irish sticks, however, the dominant tradition has always been an odd mix of Scottish violence/honor culture and Christianity. It's not terribly orthodox, but it's not liberal, democratic, or plutocratic. It's redneckcratic.

Ace Rimmer
12-16-2006, 12:21 PM
All of the Croatians on this board wishing the jews a happy hannukah, what a shock! :rolleyes:

Hail to victorious ZOG and the Croats! http://www.thephora.net/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Merry Christmas to the heirs of White Christendom!


Christmas in on 25th I believe.Today is the Hanukkah, that's all.

that guy
12-16-2006, 02:52 PM
Okay, I was kinda tired last night so my reply was a bit short. I can give a longer one:

The world's a complicated place, and far be it from me to make confident predictions as to whether Jewish behavior will change (it might), but I can sure observe what has passed to date.
Of course, and I can disagree with your assessment. The reason I even got into this debate yesterday was the contrast between what you wrote, and my own experience from living in Israel. Israelis are not hostile to things that make the West strong, and naturally I don't think that they will "always be" something that they never were to begin with. I do agree that it is in the interest of the US for American Jews to assimilate, though, because there are some hostile elements in the Jewish population here.

The intermarriage situation is an interesting "fly in the ointment", indisputably hazardous to Jewish survival at current rates. Let's remember however that Jewish intermarriage is not entirely a negative for Jewish survival. Firstly, Jewish intermarriage siphons off the less tribe-minded Jews, leaving a stronger core; secondly, Jewish marital emigrants constitute an important outer circle of the Jewish community, a liaison with the host culture, and de facto ambassadors who give the impression to large numbers of people that Jews are less alien than they really are.
As I mentioned last night, it looks like you only look at this from the perspective of tribal benefit (which is not surprising since you are a hardcore nationalist). But I doubt very much that when an American Jew proposes to his non-Jewish GF, he kneels down and tells her that he is madly in love with increasing the outer circle of the Jewish community. You see what I mean? My point is that Jews are simply not as ethnocentric as they used to be, and thus not as hostile towards non-Jews. This seems obvious to me, but I do realize that some WNs don't agree with me on this.

Naturally, there's no disputing that the thing is going too far, so maybe this century Jews will become absorbed and collapse as an ethnic power base (while continuing on an individual or family level for a bit longer). Personally, I refuse to underestimate the Jewish power of continuity, which has sustained the Jews for millenia, and thus I believe the intermarriage crisis will pass.
I'm not asking you to underestimate them, but if you are searching for the truth, you should try to avoid overestimating them too. Of course, if your priorities are (1) nationalism; (2) truth, then......

Reason would dicatate that cultures try to preserve themselves. I argue that the Jewish power structure has been trying to undermine that reason.
Well, the term "Jewish power structure" is different from the term "Jew". If you would have used the "power structure" term to begin with, I may have not replied to your post at all. ;)

koch curve
12-16-2006, 06:14 PM
a guy wished me a merry christmas at work and for a second i thought about how indignant and offended i couldve gotten


then wished him one back because i realized i dont care and getting offended at being wished a happy holiday is pretty fucking stupid


whether or not you celebrate the holiday it never made sense to me to become offended when someone is giving you good will

Aryan Imperium
12-16-2006, 06:35 PM
Happy Hanukkah to all followers of Judaism.

Further evidence should any need it that the christlings are merely subordinate psychophants of the jews.

Winston
12-16-2006, 06:51 PM
a guy wished me a merry christmas at work and for a second i thought about how indignant and offended i couldve gotten


then wished him one back because i realized i dont care and getting offended at being wished a happy holiday is pretty fucking stupid


whether or not you celebrate the holiday it never made sense to me to become offended when someone is giving you good will


Like it or not, you live in a Christian country, and Christmas is what this time of year is about. You don't have a right to be offended at routine pleasantries that are offered in line with the culture of the country.

koch curve
12-16-2006, 06:53 PM
its just someones way of wishing you good tidings, why do you have to bring cultural baggage into it?


just accept it for what it is and be happy

Winston
12-16-2006, 06:56 PM
its just someones way of wishing you good tidings, why do you have to bring cultural baggage into it?


just accept it for what it is and be happy

It sounded like your first reaction was verging on offence, although your good sense overcame it. I agree with everything else you said.

Leshrac
12-16-2006, 07:00 PM
Jewish shit. Go celebrate that in israel you fucking kike, it has no place in atheist/catholic countries.

Leshrac
12-16-2006, 07:04 PM
Some of them probably resent the idea that the holiday might still mean a little more to people than spending tons of money and buying junk. How much more money have these people made since Christmas became less religious based and more commercialized?

The now common "red outfit big beard" version of santa was invented by Coca Cola... So hey :)

Aryan Imperium
12-16-2006, 07:27 PM
The now common "red outfit big beard" version of santa was invented by Coca Cola... So hey :)

Can you provide some links or more details to support this contention?

Leshrac
12-16-2006, 07:47 PM
http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/heritage/cokelore_santa.html

http://www.icubed.com/~colagrrl/xmas.htm

koch curve
12-17-2006, 04:33 AM
It sounded like your first reaction was verging on offence, although your good sense overcame it. I agree with everything else you said.

no i was joking, just trying to make a point

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-17-2006, 04:35 AM
Like it or not, you live in a Christian country, and Christmas is what this time of year is about. You don't have a right to be offended at routine pleasantries that are offered in line with the culture of the country.
It seems you are attacking Koch when he acted very maturely and wished the guy merry christmas back...?

Agnostic Priest
12-17-2006, 11:15 AM
Yids- Atheist- Christians- should make their own happy whatever it is they celebrate thread this way the admins will not be blamed for violating everyones “Civil” E- rights on the internet.

///M power
12-18-2006, 12:54 PM
happy Hanukkah and merry Christmas to everyone!
from me and my big brother.

http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/3808/131809200453971up8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8312/131809200453359ak0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

///M power
12-18-2006, 02:59 PM
no i was joking, just trying to make a point

by the way, what did you try to write in Hebrew in your signiture? the words dont make any sense, next time ask me to write it for you,I guess you tried to translate English to Hebrew and then use the copy-paste thing.
"עברית" means only the Hebrew language, these two words "עברית המכבי "dont make any sense together,what did you want to write?

Winston
12-18-2006, 07:35 PM
happy Hanukkah and merry Christmas to everyone!
from me and my big brother.

http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/3808/131809200453971up8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8312/131809200453359ak0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is that your big brother decking Santa? First Jesus, now Santa... ;)

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-18-2006, 07:36 PM
haha is that Bill Goldberg? One of my friend's dad got stuck next to him for an entire plain flight.

I always supported Stone Cold Steve Austin the Rattlesnake over him though, sorry man.

///M power
12-18-2006, 07:37 PM
Is that your big brother decking Santa? First Jesus, now Santa... ;)

yeah,but Jesus was a Jew Santa isn't.
:)

///M power
12-18-2006, 07:38 PM
haha is that Bill Goldberg? One of my friend's dad got stuck next to him for an entire plain flight.

why stuck?
I wouldn't mind meeting him..
he is a nice guy actually.

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
12-18-2006, 07:42 PM
From what I hear he was a down to earth regular guy...I think I still have stone cold loyalty when it was wcw vs wwf.

Warning: Displays middle finger
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/148/541yz.jpg

http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingAustinImages/austin_feb98_beer.jpg

Berianidze
12-18-2006, 07:53 PM
Dreidel, Dreidel, Dreidel!
I have a little dreidel, it's small and made of clay
But I'm not gonna' play with it, 'cuz dreidel's fuckin' gay!
http://images.quizilla.com/S/SH/SHU/ShunShine/1134515218_resCartman.jpg

sainte-marthe
12-18-2006, 08:10 PM
Those links do not support the statement that the image was "invented" by Coca-Cola, they state correctly that the Coca-Cola images were inspired by Thomas Nast drawings of the 1800s.

Here is a Nast illustration from the mid-nineteenth century. The essentials are present and this antedates anything having to do with Coca-Cola.

http://stnicholas.kids.us/stnic/images/time1864-wmaster.jpg

Northern_Paladin
12-18-2006, 09:32 PM
Happy Hanukkah to all you Jews out there.http://www.dizneypins.com/images/DW%20Hanukkah%2001_small.jpg

Martin Kuklinski
12-18-2006, 10:30 PM
Goldberg was a bodylifter, not a wrestler. I grew tired of him when he was unbeatable for a straight fuckin' year in WCW. A fucking winning streak for a year! Can you believe that shit? Even that backstage-politician two-faced asshole Hogan couldn't even get that done.

Thank god WCW merged with AOL Warner and Goldberg lost his job. This guy had no talent at all and was simply just a fucking bodybuilder.

No sir, just put Mick Foley with barbed-wire in the ring and I'm happy.

Ace Rimmer
12-04-2007, 11:16 PM
http://www.aboutnevadacounty.com/events/happy_hanukkah.jpg

Lily
12-04-2007, 11:17 PM
I'm sure all Phorons will be celebrating!

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/86/90/22849086.jpg

Keystone
12-04-2007, 11:22 PM
I'm sure all Phorons will be celebrating!

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/86/90/22849086.jpg

Fuck a bunch of Hannukah....Go to Israel and celebrate it.

Lily
12-04-2007, 11:27 PM
I don't actually celebrate Hannukkah, but even if I did...what the fuck is your problem Keystone? If I want to celebrate every religious holiday there is I can and will. Live with it.

///M power
12-04-2007, 11:32 PM
http://www.aboutnevadacounty.com/events/happy_hanukkah.jpg

thanks!:beerchug:

Mackie
12-04-2007, 11:34 PM
Must admit that wikied it, but what is hanukah? curious if you see it diffently than it does?
We dont really have that here so...

///M power
12-04-2007, 11:41 PM
As far as Hanukkah goes, it would be good for koch curve or someone to explain what it is about and the rituals that come with it.

jewish victory over the greeks by Maccabee.
"Judas Maccabeus (or Judah Maccabee, Hebrew: יהודה המכבי, Yehudah HaMakabi, Judah the Hammer) was the third son of the Jewish priest Mattathias. He led the Maccabean revolt against the Seleucid Empire (167BCE-160 BCE) and is acclaimed as one of the greatest warriors in Jewish history alongside Joshua, Gideon and David."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judas_Maccabeus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean_Revolt


"Around 200 BCE Jews lived as an autonomous people in the Land of Israel, also referred to as Judea, which at that time was controlled by the Seleucid king of Syria. The Jewish people paid taxes to Syria and accepted its legal authority, and they were free to follow their own faith, maintain their own jobs, and engage in trade.

By 175 BCE Antiochus IV Epiphanes ascended to the Seleucid throne. At first little changed, but under his reign, the Temple in Jerusalem was looted, Jews were massacred, and Judaism was effectively outlawed. In 167 BCE Antiochus ordered an altar to Zeus erected in the Temple.

Antiochus' actions proved to be a major miscalculation as they provoked a large-scale revolt. Mattathias, a Jewish priest, and his five sons Jochanan, Simeon, Eleazar, Jonathan, and Judah led a rebellion against Antiochus. Judah became known as Yehuda HaMakabi ("Judah the Hammer"). By 166 BCE Mattathias had died, and Judah took his place as leader. By 165 BCE the Jewish revolt against the Seleucid monarchy was successful. The Temple was liberated and rededicated. The festival of Hanukkah was instituted by Judah Maccabee and his brothers to celebrate this event.[9] After recovering Jerusalem and the Temple, Judah ordered the Temple to be cleansed, a new altar to be built in place of the polluted one and new holy vessels to be made. According to the Talmud, olive oil was needed for the menorah in the Temple, which was required to burn throughout the night every night. But there was only enough oil to burn for one day, yet miraculously, it burned for eight days, the time needed to prepare a fresh supply of oil for the menorah. An eight day festival was declared by the Jewish sages to commemorate this miracle.

ActionAlert
12-04-2007, 11:54 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c5/Britich/oj-ham.jpg

Mike
12-05-2007, 12:11 AM
As best as I can tell, Hanukah is a once-minor Jewish holiday fart-inflated into a major production by a bunch of obsessive Jews who were jealous that non-Jews might be enjoying some happiness and good cheer without them, and who were anxious that the whole idea of "peace on earth; good will towards men" might take off and lead gentile people to figuring out that they don't need Jewish meddling and supervision to run their own affairs and solve their own problems. As is typical of these self-important assholes, these Jews were too stuck up to superficially observe a few traditions of those other people living in the countries that they had set up shop in. They were too insecure to just put up a lousy Christmas tree or a little holly, have a little eggnog, or give their brats a couple gifts from "Santa" on the morning of Dec. 25, like the rest of us normal people do. Nor was it in their capability to simply ignore what others were doing, and mind their own business, like the chinks and the other, more amiable non-Christians do. No, not only did these kikes have to invent their own distinctively Jewish holiday in order to "compete" with Christmas, but they also had to start undermining Christmas itself as well. Thus, away went Christmas carols, saying "Merry Christmas" or putting a manger on public property, or doing anything else that might give non-Jews a moment of passing joy. That's what Hanukah is. Hopefully I've explained it.


Must admit that wikied it, but what is hanukah? curious if you see it diffently than it does?
We dont really have that here so...

Winston
12-05-2007, 12:42 AM
I don't actually celebrate Hannukkah, but even if I did...what the fuck is your problem Keystone? If I want to celebrate every religious holiday there is I can and will. Live with it.

You have said that you are somewhat religious. Which religion?

Lily
12-05-2007, 12:55 AM
I am religious only in the sense that I believe in God. However, I went to a Christian primary school and attended sunday school briefly. I celebrate Christmas, try to observe lent and celebrate Easter. Mainly out of tradition though.

Winston
12-05-2007, 01:21 AM
I am religious only in the sense that I believe in God. However, I went to a Christian primary school and attended sunday school briefly. I celebrate Christmas, try to observe lent and celebrate Easter. Mainly out of tradition though.
Then you're more of a Christian than I've ever been.

Keystone
12-05-2007, 02:08 AM
As best as I can tell, Hanukah is a once-minor Jewish holiday fart-inflated into a major production by a bunch of obsessive Jews who were jealous that non-Jews might be enjoying some happiness and good cheer without them, and who were anxious that the whole idea of "peace on earth; good will towards men" might take off and lead gentile people to figuring out that they don't need Jewish meddling and supervision to run their own affairs and solve their own problems. As is typical of these self-important assholes, these Jews were too stuck up to superficially observe a few traditions of those other people living in the countries that they had set up shop in. They were too insecure to just put up a lousy Christmas tree or a little holly, have a little eggnog, or give their brats a couple gifts from "Santa" on the morning of Dec. 25, like the rest of us normal people do. Nor was it in their capability to simply ignore what others were doing, and mind their own business, like the chinks and the other, more amiable non-Christians do. No, not only did these kikes have to invent their own distinctively Jewish holiday in order to "compete" with Christmas, but they also had to start undermining Christmas itself as well. Thus, away went Christmas carols, saying "Merry Christmas" or putting a manger on public property, or doing anything else that might give non-Jews a moment of passing joy. That's what Hanukah is. Hopefully I've explained it.
You've explained it perfectly. Thanks.

@Mackie---We didn't have it here at one time, either.

@Aurora---Saw gentile kids spinning dreidels today at a public school. I won't hold my breath until I see Jewish kids being made to build a Nativity scene in the same school...:)

Lily
12-05-2007, 02:14 AM
@Aurora---Saw gentile kids spinning dreidels today at a public school. I won't hold my breath until I see Jewish kids being made to build a Nativity scene in the same school...:)
Why? The Jewish kids in my school helped build the Nativity scenes, and I didn't even know what Hanukkah was back then. Oy, persecution itz. I'm sure those poor kids simply hated playing with what might as well be wooden spinning tops.

Keystone
12-05-2007, 02:18 AM
Why? The Jewish kids in my school helped build the Nativity scenes, and I didn't even know what Hanukkah was back then. Oy, persecution itz.
They don't do it here, deary...We're not allowed Nativity scenes in public schools. It's offficially Happy Holidays now. No Christmas, no Jesus.

But the kids are forced to spin dreidels.

Zubenelgenubi
12-05-2007, 02:19 AM
God forbid. Dreidel is one of the most boring games ever.

Lily
12-05-2007, 02:29 AM
Yes well Keystone (Or should I say Keystein?), by wishing people a Happy Hanukkah coupled with a tongue in cheek reference to phorons and their celebrating it, I was not offering to be an ambassador for Jews world wide.

And although I am sure Israel is much warmer than England this time of year, I have no intention of moving there. Thanks anyway.

Keystone
12-05-2007, 02:49 AM
Yes well Keystone (Or should I say Keystein?), by wishing people a Happy Hanukkah coupled with a tongue in cheek reference to phorons and their celebrating it, I was not offering to be an ambassador for Jews world wide.
See Mike's post above about Jews and "the Holiday Season". It's a good explanation, especially about American Jews and Christmas. As a whole, they do not like it. They make movies to mock it. They still don't trust the gentiles to be gentiles and not persecute the Jews somehow.. This seems like a generalization, but it's generally true. It's their problem, not mine.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
12-05-2007, 03:33 AM
A very happy Hanukkah to my Jewish friends in real life and to the Jews here on the Phora.


p.s.

stay away from my foreskin

il ragno
12-05-2007, 04:04 AM
And Merry Christmas to all of our Serbian and Albanian friends, too!

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
12-05-2007, 04:06 AM
And Merry Christmas to all of our Serbian and Albanian friends, too!

That's more than a month away. Roughly equivalent to the playing time of one Yes album.

il ragno
12-05-2007, 04:07 AM
Or what a Depeche Mode album seems to last.

///M power
12-05-2007, 04:34 AM
As best as I can tell, Hanukah is a once-minor Jewish holiday fart-inflated into a major production by a bunch of obsessive Jews who were jealous that non-Jews might be enjoying some happiness and good cheer without them, and who were anxious that the whole idea of "peace on earth; good will towards men" might take off and lead gentile people to figuring out that they don't need Jewish meddling and supervision to run their own affairs and solve their own problems. As is typical of these self-important assholes, these Jews were too stuck up to superficially observe a few traditions of those other people living in the countries that they had set up shop in. They were too insecure to just put up a lousy Christmas tree or a little holly, have a little eggnog, or give their brats a couple gifts from "Santa" on the morning of Dec. 25, like the rest of us normal people do. Nor was it in their capability to simply ignore what others were doing, and mind their own business, like the chinks and the other, more amiable non-Christians do. No, not only did these kikes have to invent their own distinctively Jewish holiday in order to "compete" with Christmas, but they also had to start undermining Christmas itself as well. Thus, away went Christmas carols, saying "Merry Christmas" or putting a manger on public property, or doing anything else that might give non-Jews a moment of passing joy. That's what Hanukah is. Hopefully I've explained it.


mike, hanukah came long before your dead jew on a stick(cristianty)ever existed!
:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
12-05-2007, 04:35 AM
mike, hanukah came long before your dead jew on a stick(cristianty)ever existed!
:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

Comments like that make me reach for my stash of Zyklon-B in the pantry next to the extra virgin olive oil and stuffed red peppers.

///M power
12-05-2007, 04:50 AM
Comments like that make me reach for my stash of Zyklon-B in the pantry next to the extra virgin olive oil and stuffed red peppers.

sorry, he pissed me off with his comment and if someone says something ridicules like that I would not sit in silence. this is a new form of stupidity. saying Hanuka is a fake Christmas while it was so long before Jesus ever existed or Christmas. and while Christmas is just a silly capitalist Holiday IN ALL countries today , Hanuka at least stayed pured to many people.
1-Hanuka is based on real events, such as Jewish victory over the Greeks conquerers and invaders of Israel.
2-Hanuka came before Christmas and Christianity.
3-Hanuka is not a spacial holiday invented for American cooperations to make millions each year.

Mike
12-05-2007, 04:52 AM
I anticipated people like you. Read carefully. I mention the Christmas tree, holly, eggnog, and presents from "Santa". All great things, but nothing essentially Christian there. Why do you Jews refuse to embrace these things? They are pagan, but harmless. If Christianity can survive a little paganism influence, then why can't Judaism? Are you that fragile? Why don't you Jews allow Santa into your little world? Doesn't Santa love all kids, including Jews? Is Santa such a reprehensible character as to be unacceptible to the Jewish people? If so, then I can only conclude that Jews are morons. Let Santa give presents to Jewish kids too! What's wrong with that?

mike, hanukah came long before your dead jew on a stick(cristianty)ever existed!
:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

///M power
12-05-2007, 04:59 AM
I anticipated people like you. Read carefully. I mention the Christmas tree, holly, eggnog, and presents from "Santa". All great things, but nothing essentially Christian there. Why do you Jews refuse to embrace these things? They are pagan, but harmless. If Christianity can survive a little paganism influence, then why can't Judaism? Are you that fragile? Why don't you Jews allow Santa into your little world? Doesn't Santa love all kids, including Jews? Is Santa such a reprehensible character as to be unacceptible to the Jewish people? If so, then I can only conclude that Jews are morons. Let Santa give presents to Jewish kids too! What's wrong with that?

I'm not religious , but I would like my country to stay with Jewish traditions and not be forced to be like the rest of the world,we have our own traditions and don't need a capitalistic holiday like Christmas. the answer to people such as the Greeks who tried to force them(israeli jews) with a religion was a sword to the face,I think its a good solution to people who try to bring foreign ideas to your country.
you are ignorant about Hanuka,on Hanuka kids also get presents and we eat stuff much better than eggnog. and it didn't go all capitalistic like Christmas,and was based on a true historical event,unlike Christmas.:whip:
so please don't compare the the two ok?

il ragno
12-05-2007, 05:13 AM
Eggnog is pagan?

Mike
12-05-2007, 05:36 AM
Hanukah is a holiday more modern, more capitalistic, and more fake than Christmas ever was. In fact, Christmas, related to the winter solstice festival (Yule), goes back to the very dawn of agriculture in Europe. It was celebrated in Europe six, or possibly even eight thousand years ago. Being flea-bitten desert nomads, herding goats but without agriculture, Jews had no concept of agriculture, or of the solstice. You primitive morons simply did not have the same holiday. You puffed up "Hanukah" to compete with Christmas much, much later.
I'm not religious , but I would like my country to stay with Jewish traditions and not be forced to be like the rest of the world,we have our own traditions and don't need a capitalistic holiday like Christmas. the answer to people such as the Greeks who tried to force them(israeli jews) with a religion was a sword to the face,I think its a good solution to people who try bring foreign ideas to your country.
you are ignorant about Hanuka,on Hanuka kids also get presents and we eat stuff much better then eggnog. and it didn't go all capitalistic like Christmas,and was based on a true historical event,unlike Christmas.:whip:
so please don't compare the the two ok?

Cole
12-05-2007, 05:39 AM
And Merry Christmas to all of our Serbian and Albanian friends, too!

Pwned.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to il ragno again.

Mike
12-05-2007, 05:46 AM
I've wondered about that for a long time. I'm an atheist, and there isn't a hint of Jesus in my home during Christmas, but we have the tree, decorations, have a big extended family get-together, visit Santa at the mall(but this is the first year my daughter doesn't believe in Santa), have a special dinner together, and give gifts. Call it over-commercialized or capitalistic if you want, but that's the AMERICAN part of the holiday. It's part of our national culture, and there's no reason other religions can't participate in that.Exactly. All Jews reject this for no reason. All Jews are aliens. Weirdly, many do profit from the capitalistic elements of Christmas though.

However, I think you're asking the wrong jew about it. MP is Israeli, so adopting an American holiday should be abhorrent to him, but American jews who were born and raised here have no excuse.I have no problem with MP. It's obvious he doesn't grasp the nuances of this conversation. He thinks I expect Israel to adopt Christmas, which I don't. I do expect Jews to lay the fuck off Christmas in the West. Totally different.

Starr
12-05-2007, 06:22 AM
They don't even need to celebrate any aspect of the holiday. They do need to respect the right of the people of the dominant religion of this nation to do their thing and keep quiet about it. Certainly I would never move to another country that does not practice Christianity(if I were religious, anyway)and bitch about how "offended" I am by their traditions. I would not feel that is my place, whatsoever. This is incredibly arrogant and disrespectful of the people you are choosing to live among. This also just makes Christians want to stand up more forcefully against those who have taken it upon themselves to attack their religion. hell, I don't even consider myself to be a christian and it pisses me off. As I also said in the thread I started on this topic, it shouldn't come as a surprise that when people's traditions in general, and what they perceive to be the larger meaning of their holiday traditions start to be broken up and state sponsored ideas about the "equality" of traditions and religions is tossed around, not much more is going to be left other than a whole lot of empty meaningless materialism, that will be exploited.
The materialistic aspect of the holiday has always been there. People are materialistic so that is no surprise, but it does seem like it has reached really crazy levels in recent years. I don't think it is any coincidence that this coincides pretty well with the attacks on the holiday from assorted tolerance fanatics.

///M power
12-05-2007, 09:36 AM
Hanukah is a holiday more modern, more capitalistic, and more fake than Christmas ever was
there is nothing more capitalistic in the world than Christmas. if we are talking about fake, at least Hanuka is based on an historical military victory for real heroes and people who existed,unlike a holiday based on something that doesn't exist(Santa) and for the only purpose of making some capitalistic pig richer. this is why Santa is so fat,he symbolizes the fat capitalistic pigs in your country who get filthy rich in Christmas.
mike,since Hanuka is a fake Christmas,and came after that, you probably think that Jews didn't write the first original part of your bible. the new testament probably came before the old one according to mikes time table.
both religions are fake,at least Judaism was the original one,and in Judaism there are a few holidays which are based on historical events like Hanuka.

///M power
12-05-2007, 09:48 AM
I have no problem with MP. It's obvious he doesn't grasp the nuances of this conversation. He thinks I expect Israel to adopt Christmas, which I don't. I do expect Jews to lay the fuck off Christmas in the West. Totally different.

you started it, by attacking Hanuka and saying how Christmas is better and how Hanuka is a fake Christmas. then after that,you said why don't we embrace Christmas and I pointed it out for you,that Hanuka is actually a victory over people like you who forced israeli Jews to adopt their religion.

Don Quixote
12-05-2007, 09:52 AM
It seems that most or all Jewish festivals are celebrations of putting one across the gentiles.

@MP Chrsitmas is not about Santa, it is a celebration of the birth of Jesus.

Burrhus
12-05-2007, 09:56 AM
mike, hanukah came long before your dead jew on a stick(cristianty)ever existed!
:nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

Theoretically, Jesus is eternal and therefore existed before the Maccabees.

Burrhus
12-05-2007, 10:01 AM
Why don't you Jews allow Santa into your little world? Doesn't Santa love all kids, including Jews?

(Burrhus in a trance channels Santa Claus); Actually, Mike, no I don't. I tried one year and they all left me moldy cookies and sour milk. Screw 'em.

Burrhus
12-05-2007, 10:06 AM
you started it, by attacking Hanuka and saying how Christmas is better and how Hanuka is a fake Christmas. then after that,you said why don't we embrace Christmas and I pointed it out for you,that Hanuka is actually a victory over people like you who forced israeli Jews to adopt their religion.

The ancient Greeks never tried to force their religion on anyone.

Spin my dreidal (http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a386/a386_bm.gif)

///M power
12-05-2007, 11:04 AM
The ancient Greeks never tried to force their religion on anyone.


ok,history expert.

///M power
12-05-2007, 11:06 AM
.

@MP Chrsitmas is not about Santa, it is a celebration of the birth of Jesus.

my birthday is next week, I hope santa comes and gives me some nice presents.

Burrhus
12-05-2007, 11:43 AM
ok,history expert.

You are the history major if I recall correctly. My degree is in mathematics.

///M power
12-05-2007, 11:57 AM
You are the history major if I recall correctly. My degree is in mathematics.

so why claim silly stuff like "the greeks never forced anyone to their religeon..."

"The Maccabees (Hebrew: מכבים or מקבים, Makabim) were a Jewish national liberation movement that fought for and won independence from Antiochus IV Epiphanes of the Hellenistic Seleucid dynasty, who was succeeded by his infant son Antiochus V Eupator. The Maccabees founded the Hasmonean royal dynasty and established Jewish independence in the Land of Israel for about one hundred years, from 164 BCE to 63 BCE."


"In 167 BC, after Antiochus issued decrees in Judea forbidding Jewish religious practice, a rural Jewish priest from Modiin, Mattathias the Hasmonean, sparked the revolt against the Seleucid empire by refusing to worship the Greek gods. Mattathias slew a Hellenistic Jew who stepped forward to offer a sacrifice to an idol in Mattathias' place. He and his five sons fled to the wilderness of Judea. After Mattathias' death about one year later, his son Judah Maccabee led an army of Jewish dissidents to victory over the Seleucid dynasty. The term Maccabees as used to describe the Judean's army is taken from its actual use as Judah's surname.

The revolt itself involved many individual battles, in which the Maccabean forces gained infamy among the Syrian army for their use of guerrilla tactics. After the victory, the Maccabees entered Jerusalem in triumph and ritually cleansed the Temple, reestablishing traditional Jewish worship there and installing Jonathan Maccabee as high priest. A large Syrian army was sent to quash the revolt, but returned to Syria on the death of Antiochus IV. Its commander Lysias, preoccupied with internal Syrian affairs, agreed to a political compromise that provided religious freedom.

Following the re-dedication of the temple, the supporters of the Maccabees were divided over the question of whether to continue fighting. When the revolt began under the leadership of Mattathias, it was seen as a war for religious freedom to end the oppression of the Seleucids. However, as Maccabees realized how successful they had been many wanted to continue the revolt as a war of national self-determination. This conflict led to the exacerbation of the divide between the Pharisees and Sadducees under later Hasmonean monarchs such as Alexander Jannaeus. [1]

Those who sought the continuation of the war of national identity were led by Judah Maccabee. On his death in battle in 160 BC, Judah was succeeded as army commander by his younger brother, Jonathan, who was already High Priest. Jonathan made treaties with various foreign states, causing further dissent among those who desired religious freedom over political power. On Jonathan's death in 142 BC, Simon Maccabee, the last remaining son of Mattathias, took power. That same year, Demetrius II, king of Syria, granted the Jews complete political independence and Simon, great high priest and commander of the Jews, went on to found the Hasmonean dynasty. Jewish autonomy lasted until 63 BC, when the Roman general Pompey captured Jerusalem and subjected judea to Roman rule, while the Hasmonean dynasty itself ended in 37 BC when the Idumean Herod the Great became de facto king of Jerusalem.

Every year Jews celebrate Hanukkah in commemoration of Judah Maccabee's victory over the Seleucids and subsequent miracles."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabean_revolt#The_revolt

this is why to me,Hanuka is not a religious holiday, as I said before I don't believe in "god", but this is history, god didn't make them win,they were heroes and brave people unlike most modern Jews in the west(and none Jews).

Hippias
12-05-2007, 12:06 PM
I dig the Hanukkah aesthetic.

il ragno
12-05-2007, 02:29 PM
I dig the Hanukkah aesthetic.

You mean the "clap them heartily on the back and give 'em the ol' Judeo-Christian flapdoodle - then shit in the punchbowl when no one's looking" aesthetic? Yeah, you gotta love that kind of hook-nosed one-upsmanship I guess.

Kamandi
12-05-2007, 04:36 PM
See Mike's post above about Jews and "the Holiday Season". It's a good explanation, especially about American Jews and Christmas. As a whole, they do not like it. They make movies to mock it. They still don't trust the gentiles to be gentiles and not persecute the Jews somehow.. This seems like a generalization, but it's generally true. It's their problem, not mine.
I've never met anyone Jewish who dislikes Christmas, although I've met a bunch of atheists who do. Most people love it, myself and the Jews I know personally included.

The idea that "Jewish movies mock Christmas" seems like a very biased interpretation to me.

Kamandi
12-05-2007, 04:40 PM
You mean the "clap them heartily on the back and give 'em the ol' Judeo-Christian flapdoodle - then shit in the punchbowl when no one's looking" aesthetic? Yeah, you gotta love that kind of hook-nosed one-upsmanship I guess.
Wow - it almost seems like NOTHING Jews ever conceivably did, even in theory, would possibly meet with your approval! Like you're prejudiced or something! :nuts:

Richard Parker
12-05-2007, 04:48 PM
I've never met anyone Jewish who dislikes Christmas, although I've met a bunch of atheists who do. Most people love it, myself and the Jews I know personally included.
There seems to be an alternate reality in this place. 90% of what gets said about non-whites, too, is completely alien to my experience.

Kamandi
12-05-2007, 04:56 PM
They're discussing mythical people, not ones who really exist.

Starr
12-05-2007, 06:45 PM
a few of the main groups that you hear bitching about nativity scenes and christmas trees are the ACLU, ADL(check out their december dilemma http://www.adl.org/PresRele/RelChStSep_90/5183_90.htm)and) groups like "americans united for the seperation of church and state." Now we know what the ADL is and the ACLU is heavily jewish(this was even noted in a book I recently found among my collection from many years ago, that was written by a more conservative religious jewish author) I haven't looked too much into American's united. Strangely one of their spokesmen that I have seen quite a few times on tv is a minister as bizarre as that is. I am not going to say how every jew feels about christmas or even a majority, but it does seem to be the case that a good majority of the time when you have either a group bitching about christmas displays or an individual person or persons who complains, it is a jew. Nothing mythical in that.

Kamandi
12-05-2007, 06:53 PM
I've never seen evidence that the ACLU is 'heavily Jewish,' although there are prominent Jews in their leadership.

Next, upholding church-state separation does NOT mean one "hates Christmas." Many people love Christmas but still understand that the fedgov and local gov'ts are not supposed to be using tax dollars to support sectarian causes and worship vis a vis the First Amendment.

Starr
12-05-2007, 06:55 PM
here is a link to the book that I mentioned(written by a Rabbi) that, among other things, talks about the heavy jewish presence in the ACLU:

http://www.conservativebookclub.com/products/bookpage.asp?prod_cd=C5147

Next, upholding church-state separation does NOT mean one "hates Christmas." Many people love Christmas but still understand that the fedgov and local gov'ts are not supposed to be using tax dollars to support sectarian causes and worship vis a vis the First Amendment.

Never much of a problem, at least in regards to Christmas, until the anti white western fruitcake lefties took over the culture.

Kamandi
12-05-2007, 07:02 PM
You mean, until minority groups started to seek appropriate enforcement of the Constitution. Of course it's not a problem for the Christian majority. They were the ones benefiting from it.

I would hardly take Dan Lapin the right wing lapdog as an authoritative source regarding the ACLU.

Starr
12-05-2007, 07:05 PM
Minority groups need to learn what they are, minorities. This means they don't get to try to change the culture and practices of the majority. Christmas and similar practices of that majority do not harm them. They need to butt out. This is one of the reasons people begin to dislike them.

I would say the same thing about a christian minority acting this way in an Islamic country or Israel,etc. It isn't their place.

I would hardly take Dan Lapin the right wing lapdog as an authoritative source regarding the ACLU.

well, one thing you can't call him is an anti semite. If the same guy would have argued against any ideas about the ACLU being heavily jewish would he then be a good source?

Richard Parker
12-05-2007, 07:06 PM
a few of the main groups that you hear bitching about nativity scenes and christmas trees are the ACLU, ADL(check out their december dilemma http://www.adl.org/PresRele/RelChStSep_90/5183_90.htm)and) groups like "americans united for the seperation of church and state." Now we know what the ADL is and the ACLU is heavily jewish(this was even noted in a book I recently found among my collection from many years ago, that was written by a more conservative religious jewish author) I haven't looked too much into American's united. Strangely one of their spokesmen that I have seen quite a few times on tv is a minister as bizarre as that is. I am not going to say how every jew feels about christmas or even a majority, but it does seem to be the case that a good majority of the time when you have either a group bitching about christmas displays or an individual person or persons who complains, it is a jew. Nothing mythical in that.
It's just that Kamandi and I have not met Jews or other non-Christians like that.

It feels like shadow-boxing around here, constantly defending someone who doesn't exist.

You guys need a different breed of Jew or non-white as opposition around here... I mean the really seditious angry white-hating nihilist non-whites.

Imagine Phora-posting Muslims who are actively operating terrorist cells in real life, and writing and debating about them right here at the Phora. Or some La Raza types, going to Reconquest meetings every week, and debating here with Sudaev about why they deserve all of Texas and California. Or a big mofo ghetto black who routinely crushes scrawny white necks in his ape-like hands and writes about his exploits here, justifying them by evoking past white oppression.

Or the Noel Ignatieff / Susan Sontag kind of Jews who want to disable "whiteness" itself (although even in their case when they criticize whites I'm pretty positive they are thinking of themselves as white... maybe there are no truly white-hating Jews).

I'm starting to think that bland normal non-whites of moderate habits and thoughts like myself are kind of useless around here.

Kamandi
12-05-2007, 07:06 PM
The right to the "culture and practices" of the majority does not extend to violations of the Constitution. The minority had every right to change that and used the legal process to do so exactly as they should have.

Starr
12-05-2007, 07:45 PM
You guys need a different breed of Jew or non-white as opposition around here... I mean the really seditious angry white-hating nihilist non-whites.

Imagine Phora-posting Muslims who are actively operating terrorist cells in real life, and writing and debating about them right here at the Phora. Or some La Raza types, going to Reconquest meetings every week, and debating here with Sudaev about why they deserve all of Texas and California. Or a big mofo ghetto black who routinely crushes scrawny white necks in his ape-like hands and writes about his exploits here, justifying them by evoking past white oppression.

Or the Noel Ignatieff / Susan Sontag kind of Jews who want to disable "whiteness" itself (although even in their case when they criticize whites I'm pretty positive they are thinking of themselves as white... maybe there are no truly white-hating Jews).

I'm starting to think that bland normal non-whites of moderate habits and thoughts like myself are kind of useless around here.

:rofl: yes, some of these examples would be very interesting. We, of course already had a couple of WHITE pro aztlan types, which is even more annoying than the real thing. Noel Ignatieff would be annoying as a far left liberal, rather than a jew since he is also very anti zionist. The muslim thing would be no good because that would likely bring in a lot of government eyes that would possible seek to shut the site down and link us with terrorism.:(

Mike
12-06-2007, 12:53 AM
Maybe I am in that "alternate reality" that Harjit mentions, but it does seem to me that anyone mean-spirited enough to invoke the mandated (federal) separation of church and state in order to remove a nativity scene, or a Christmas tree, from (local) public grounds, mostly likely does hate Christmas. If that person actually spends time and money on lawsuits to achieve that goal, then it's absolutely certain that that person hates Christmas.

The fact is, Christmas isn't sectarian any more than the words "In God we trust" that appear unproblematically on our currency. It's a threadbare symbol of our history and culture. It's also a time of year that normal people enjoy and celebrate. Only a typical Jew or a bizarrely doctrinaire atheist would find the Christmas tree constitutionally objectionable. Common sense dictates that 99.9% of those people who gussy up their anti-Christmas agenda as concern for the constitution are disingenuous. In reality, Jews don't give two shits about the constitution until they find some novel way to use it to insult or subvert the majority culture (pushing porn, attacking Christmas, etc.). Real constitutionalists address real constitutional problems like Jewish-endorsed "diversity" and "sensitivity" training in government employment, the injustice of affirmative action at universities, the denial of freedom of association, "hate crime" law nonsense, and similar issues.


I've never seen evidence that the ACLU is 'heavily Jewish,' although there are prominent Jews in their leadership.

Next, upholding church-state separation does NOT mean one "hates Christmas." Many people love Christmas but still understand that the fedgov and local gov'ts are not supposed to be using tax dollars to support sectarian causes and worship vis a vis the First Amendment.

Starr
12-06-2007, 01:02 AM
yes, there isn't much of a reason for people to go out of their way to try to destroy a tradition cherished by the majority of people when that tradition is not causing them any kind of harm whatsoever, nor is it infringing on any of their "rights." Tell me, kamandi, honestly what on earth is harmful about a jew or atheist coming upon a christmas tree or nativity scene? is there any good reason, WHATSOEVER, that this is so disturbing to them that they must make a huge fuss about it? It is beyond ridiculous. And excuse me for not breaking out the violins for them and holding their hands while they tremble in horror after looking at a baby Jesus statue.:whip: They don't like it, they don't have to look at it. Problem solved for everyone concerned. The majority do not have to deal with their cultural traditions further being shoved into the closet like some dirty little secret and those who would make the fuss don't have to deal with the backlash against them that results from things like this. There is something spiteful and antagonistic in this and it certain is not just Mike or I who see it in this way. Turn on your average conservative talk show host like O'reilly and you will see people like this expressing similar ideas, though he and others, of course will stay away from talking about any specific ethnic groups.

tempus fugit
12-06-2007, 01:08 AM
There seems to be an alternate reality in this place. 90% of what gets said about non-whites, too, is completely alien to my experience.

You live in Japan, which is an alternate reality, and completely alien to 90% of who posts here.

Keystone
12-06-2007, 01:09 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200712/20071205radl_menorah_lighti_500.jpg

Rabbi Yisroel Rosenfeld, dean of Yeshiva Schools and executive director, Chabad of Western Pennsylvania, lights a candle on Pittsburgh's community menorah at the City-County Building on the first night of Hanukkah for the year 5768 yesterday.

Hmmm....A Jewish cleric, lighting a candle on a Jewish religious symbol---a menorah---in front of our City County building.

Guess what Christians get...not a minister or priest dedicating a nativity scene, no......No Christ...We get a tree.

Something's wrong here.

that guy
12-06-2007, 01:22 AM
Maybe I am in that "alternate reality" that Harjit mentions, but it does seem to me that anyone mean-spirited enough to invoke the mandated (federal) separation of church and state in order to remove a nativity scene, or a Christmas tree, from (local) public grounds, mostly likely does hate Christmas. If that person actually spends time and money on lawsuits to achieve that goal, then it's absolutely certain that that person hates Christmas.
How many Jews do you think do that, though? I haven't seen a lot of anti-Christmas sentiment from the Jews that I know. Yeah, Jews might be over-represneted amongst Christmas-suers, and yes, that might tell us something about Jews, but not that they hate Christmas. You'll need more data to substantiate that claim (if indeed that is what you are claiming).

that guy
12-06-2007, 01:23 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200712/20071205radl_menorah_lighti_500.jpg
Hmmm....A Jewish cleric, lighting a candle on a Jewish religious symbol---a menorah---in front of our City County building.

Guess what Christians get...not a minister or priest dedicating a nativity scene, no......No Christ...We get a tree.

Something's wrong here.
Yup, that's insane.

Errigal
12-06-2007, 01:23 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200712/20071205radl_menorah_lighti_500.jpg
Hmmm....A Jewish cleric, lighting a candle on a Jewish religious symbol---a menorah---in front of our City County building.

Guess what Christians get...not a minister or priest dedicating a nativity scene, no......No Christ...We get a tree.

Something's wrong here.

Here, I'll let Kamandi take a washroom break.

"It is you who has something wrong with him. As if we don't have priests blessing people with holy water everywhere we go. I have no problem with it myself but I would fully support the right of anyone to crush such priests with the full weight of the law. I don't care either way, being a non-Jew and all, but I could understand anyone who feels warm inside when something bad happens to a Christian. Speaking as a Christian myself of course."*

*This was not actually Kamandi. This was me typing this.

Lily
12-06-2007, 01:34 AM
It's also a time when you visit relatives that you don't see the rest of the year, you give each other gifts, and everyone is supposed to be nice to each other. The capitalist part of it couldn't exist without the underlying traditions.
Exactly. I adore Christmas, I am already looking forward to it. :D

Keystone
12-06-2007, 01:35 AM
Yup, that's insane.
Exactly so. It's just not right. I can't find a witty or entertaining way to say it. It's obvious.

You can't swing a rubber chicken without whacking a Christian (especially Catholic) in Pittsburgh, but we can't have a "community Nativity scene" to match?

It's ridiculous.

Starr
12-06-2007, 01:50 AM
This whole separation of church and state thing evoked in order to get christian symbols removed from government properties is not so terribly clear either. The first amendment that people often site reads to me a bit more like saying that people should be freely able to worship whoever they choose and that the government should not pass any kind of laws infringing on that or requiring any kind of standard religion that people must abide by. A christmas tree up on public property does not infringe upon the "rights" of jews, muslims, buddhists, whatever to worship according to their religion. Forcing it to come down, on the other hand, comes a little closer to that(or prohibiting the free exercise thereof)

Keystone
12-06-2007, 02:05 AM
This whole separation of church and state thing evoked in order to get christian symbols removed from government properties is not so terribly clear either. The first amendment that people often site reads to me a bit more like saying that people should be freely able to worship whoever they choose and that the government should not pass any kind of laws infringing on that or requiring any kind of standard religion that people must abide by. A christmas tree up on public property does not infringe upon the "rights" of jews, muslims, buddhists, whatever to worship according to their religion. Forcing it to come down, on the other hand, comes a little closer to that.
I'm almost ready to cede the "Holiday Season" to the Jews, the Kwanzaa idiots and Wal-Mart. Christmas in America is so spinelessly commercialized that there really isn't a way back.
My favorite Christian holy season is Easter anyway, which is a time of rising, renewal, and hope that is polluted by Peeps at best. It's also the cornerstone of Christian belief and a much happier time for me.
And there's chocolate.

il ragno
12-06-2007, 02:18 AM
Exactly so. It's just not right. I can't find a witty or entertaining way to say it. It's obvious.

You can't swing a rubber chicken without whacking a Christian (especially Catholic) in Pittsburgh, but we can't have a "community Nativity scene" to match?

It's ridiculous.

Sure. And a couple of "good Jews" will be sure to commiserate with you: "I'm Jewish, but I agree with you completely."

That's to balance the not-so-nice-Jews who actually have the power to end this, but won't, now that the reins are firmly in their hands. You could get 10,000 signatures on a petition: "please, oh please grant us the special dispensation of - just this once - allowing me to celebrate my holiday in my way in a community dominated by my like-minded kinsmen" - and the answer will be, after just enough foot-dragging to allow the media a foothold to begin picturing you as a hate-addled intolerant lunatic, "We are sorry, but not only would that be insensitive to the beliefs of many of our undocumented overnight-Americans, but it would be completely unconstitutional. Please enjoy your tree in the spirit of giving and niceness and diversity and democracy, because next year it's just gonna be a wreath. Budget cuts, you know. It costs money to feed and care for those overnight-Americans, you know!"

And what are you gonna do? You're gonna take it. Because it's either sit there and take it, or escalate the confrontation. Because, as Joe Sobran said some time ago,

the state continues to (demand compliance) — the one function it performs with some success, largely because we are resigned to it. We know that if we really, physically, resist, we are likely to be killed. The state is nothing more than organized force, and real defiance means death. That is the law of force. In that sense, the threat of death is implicit in every parking ticket.

Or the apportionment of public displays at Christmastime.

Mike
12-06-2007, 02:30 AM
Do you mean, how many Jews file lawsuits against Christmas trees? Obviously, very few. Those few who do have an enormous effect, however, as local communities across the land, witnessing these actions, are infected by the Kamandi-approved meme that Christmas trees are "unconstitutional" - or at the very least, assume that Christmas trees will bring them trouble, and that it's best not to try. Thus, it's a case of a very small number of malcontents undermining the majority culture over the last few decades in a way that benefits no one, insofar as Christmas trees and nativity scenes are completely harmless to all. In fact, given the peculiar imperative of Christmas that urges peace and good will to all - and this theme earnestly, absolutely, undeniably permeates the entire season, and echoes even in devout atheists born in Christian families, regardless of whatever accretions of Capitalism that appear on the surface - it's continually mind-boggling to me that the minority that most bases its identity on being persecuted would try to uproot it. But astoundingly, it does.

Perhaps the question you intended is, how many ordinary Jews are anti-Christmas. You are in a better position to answer than I am, but I can anecdotally recall instances of Jews expressing sour grapes, or feeling left out, or behaving plaintively on some level about Christmas. I don't get the impression that Jews typically mean Christmas well, but it is conceivable that most Jews are either indifferent or positive towards Christmas. The attitude of the community as a whole, however, is unmistakable.


How many Jews do you think do that, though? I haven't seen a lot of anti-Christmas sentiment from the Jews that I know. Yeah, Jews might be over-represneted amongst Christmas-suers, and yes, that might tell us something about Jews, but not that they hate Christmas. You'll need more data to substantiate that claim (if indeed that is what you are claiming).

that guy
12-06-2007, 02:42 AM
Do you mean, how many Jews file lawsuits against Christmas trees? Obviously, very few. Those few who do have an enormous effect, however, as local communities across the land, witnessing these actions, are infected by the Kamandi-approved meme that Christmas trees are "unconstitutional" - or at the very least, assume that Christmas trees will bring them trouble, and that it's best not to try. Thus, it's a case of a very small number of malcontents undermining the majority culture over the last few decades in a way that benefits no one, insofar as Christmas trees and nativity scenes are completely harmless to all. In fact, given the peculiar imperative of Christmas that urges peace and good will to all - and this theme earnestly, absolutely, undeniably permeates the entire season, and echoes even in devout atheists born in Christian families, regardless of whatever accretions of Capitalism that appear on the surface - it's continually mind-boggling to me that the minority that most bases its identity on being persecuted would try to uproot it. But astoundingly, it does.

Perhaps the question you intended is, how many ordinary Jews are anti-Christmas. You are in a better position to answer than I am, but I can anecdotally recall instances of Jews expressing sour grapes, or feeling left out, or behaving plaintively on some level about Christmas. I don't get the impression that Jews typically mean Christmas well, but it is conceivable that most Jews are either indifferent or positive towards Christmas. The attitude of the community as a whole, however, is unmistakable.
I meant Jews in general (you know, the ones with the reins firmly in their hands, the "good Jews" that balance them, etc..).

il ragno
12-06-2007, 02:49 AM
Now pull the other one.

If there weren't Bad Jews With Clout, there'd be nothing for the Good Jews to sympathize with their gentile buddies over. Or is it that all-powerful Raghead Lobby that's been busy obliterating Christmas these past two decades?

that guy
12-06-2007, 02:56 AM
Now pull the other one.

If there weren't Bad Jews With Clout, there'd be nothing for the Good Jews to sympathize with their gentile buddies over. Or is it that all-powerful Raghead Lobby that's been busy obliterating Christmas these past two decades?
Well, in that respect I think even the good nochrim of the phora are indebted to the BJWCs.

Mike
12-06-2007, 03:06 AM
I will freely stipulate that there are many Jews - perhaps even a majority - who are genuinely indifferent, or even positive, towards Christmas (the "positive" ones being mostly intermarried Jews (or related) who can't avoid experiencing the holiday first hand; non-intermarried Jews are more likely to feel indifference or negativity). However, I cannot stipulate that Jews have the same attitude towards Christmas as other non-Christian peoples as, say, the Chinese. I mean, let's face it: the (nonconverted) Chinese could honestly not give a shit less about Christmas. Jews can't say that.

Again, I have not done polls of the Jewish community on this. Tell me more what your experience is with the Jewish attitude towards Christmas.

I meant Jews in general (you know, the ones with the reins firmly in their hands, the "good Jews" that balance them, etc..).

that guy
12-06-2007, 03:17 AM
I will freely stipulate that there are many Jews - perhaps even a majority - who are genuinely indifferent, or even positive, towards Christmas (the "positive" ones being mostly intermarried Jews (or related) who can't avoid experiencing the holiday first hand; non-intermarried Jews are more likely to feel indifference or negativity). However, I cannot stipulate that Jews have the same attitude towards Christmas as other non-Christian peoples as, say, the Chinese. I mean, let's face it: the (nonconverted) Chinese could honestly not give a shit less about Christmas. Jews can't say that.

Again, I have not done polls of the Jewish community on this. Tell me more what your experience is with the Jewish attitude towards Christmas.
Well, it's not like I know that many American Jews. Personally, I never witnessed any animosity towards Christmas from the ones that I do know. I can, however, fairly easily imagine opening my TV (an act I haven't done in months) and seeing an obvious tribesman (or woman) explaining to us just how wrong the nativity scene is. Indeed, I probably saw a couple of them doing that in previous years.

Richard Parker
12-06-2007, 03:37 AM
You live in Japan, which is an alternate reality, and completely alien to 90% of who posts here.
True, but I was thinking about when I lived in Canada.

I still spend at least a month or more of the year there (and have also had a couple of lengthy assignments in the States in recent years).

A good number of my friends / associates here are Americans. Granted, they are also in an alternate reality.

@Starr, re. the Phora being watched for terrorists, well, we did have a significant sandwigger crew here. :rofl:

Mike
12-06-2007, 03:38 AM
Well, it's not like I know that many American Jews. Personally, I never witnessed any animosity towards Christmas from the ones that I do know.I know less about Israeli Jews than I do about American Jews, but based on my general understanding of human nature, I expect that Israelis, being the dominant majority in their own territory, would be more like the Chinese, i.e. having little interest or concern about the holidays of other peoples - just as I don't care about (or even know about) what holidays are important to the eskimos.

I can, however, fairly easily imagine opening my TV (an act I haven't done in months) and seeing an obvious tribesman (or woman) explaining to us just how wrong the nativity scene is. Indeed, I probably saw a couple of them doing that in previous years.If you can admit this much, then you obviously know what I am talking about on this thread.

Winston
12-06-2007, 03:43 AM
Guy's honesty when it comes to his tribe must be commended.

Starr
12-06-2007, 03:50 AM
Mr.Angry is coming over to the dark side.:222:

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=32438


This is his second out of character rant about Immigration/Muslims if I remember correctly.

that guy
12-06-2007, 03:57 AM
I know less about Israeli Jews than I do about American Jews, but based on my general understanding of human nature, I expect that Israelis, being the dominant majority in their own territory, would be more like the Chinese, i.e. having little interest or concern about the holidays of other peoples - just as I don't care about (or even know about) what holidays are important to the eskimos.
Of course. I do know a few American Jews (well enough to know their opinion on Christmas), but probably not enough for a good statistical analysis.


If you can admit this much, then you obviously know what I am talking about on this thread.
Probably. I'd say that the fact that these bozos are given the opportunity to spin their dreidel on prime time TV gives us a better insight into the JQ than the precise point these individuals are trying to convey does.

Guy's honesty when it comes to his tribe must be commended.
Thanks, but there's no real reason to lie about this. I mean, it's not like this thread will bring about another holocaust or anything. I don't think. Anyway, that's a risk I'm willing to take. Denying the obvious has a 100% probablity of making me look like an idiot. That, I try to avoid.

Dan Dare
12-06-2007, 03:57 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200712/20071205radl_menorah_lighti_500.jpg
Hmmm....A Jewish cleric, lighting a candle on a Jewish religious symbol---a menorah---in front of our City County building.

Guess what Christians get...not a minister or priest dedicating a nativity scene, no......No Christ...We get a tree.

Something's wrong here.

A striking image.

It would be an interesting exercise to plot just when Hannukah changed from being a religious event that Jews celebrated privately amongst themselves (as it appears may have been the case for many generations) to a public spectacle in which the general population is assumed to have an interest, and which, it seems, its promoters aspire to set on an equal footing with Christmas.

Growing up in Europe I confess to having never even heard of it until coming to the US. My first exposure came in the mid-1980s while doing some 'holiday shopping' in a mall in the mid-West in which one end of the concourse was dominated by a giant Santa, while the other end featured an equally large figure of a Hebrew king, David IIRC.

At the time I was genuinely confounded and baffled by the whole affair, but was told by colleagues that it had to do with the 'Jewish Christmas'.

Carlos Danger
12-06-2007, 04:28 AM
Hmmm....A Jewish cleric, lighting a candle on a Jewish religious symbol---a menorah---in front of our City County building.

Guess what Christians get...not a minister or priest dedicating a nativity scene, no......No Christ...We get a tree.

Something's wrong here. We had this discussion last year: that's not a Menorah but a Chanukkiyah, which is apparently not a "religious symbol", and is therefore permitted on government premises.

No, I don't understand it either.

Richard Parker
12-06-2007, 05:25 AM
This is his second out of character rant about Immigration/Muslims if I remember correctly.
It's not out of character for Mr. Angry.

He and I both believe in assimilation. He's always been more bellicose about it, especially when it comes to Muslims. That may be the difference between growing up in England and Canada (mostly good Muslims in the latter, lots of riff-raff in the former).

And of course the fact that he's Mr. Angry. :p

Zubenelgenubi
12-06-2007, 10:17 AM
If everyone celebrated Christmas, no Chinese restaurants would be open on December 25th, and I think we can all agree that this would be a damn shame.

R1a-I2a1 Rock Farmer
12-06-2007, 10:24 AM
If everyone celebrated Christmas, no Chinese restaurants would be open on December 25th, and I think we can all agree that this would be a damn shame.

I stopped eating Chinese once I came into close contact with the large Cantonese community here in Toronto.

"Hygiene" and "cleanliness" are to them what kryptonite is to Superman.

Mackie
12-06-2007, 10:58 AM
I gotta say all this bickering over hanukkah is really untasteful. Thats kinda like bickering over a merry christmas thread someone posts... :/

Starr
12-06-2007, 11:14 AM
I gotta say all this bickering over hanukkah is really untasteful. Thats kinda like bickering over a merry christmas thread someone posts... :/


I was kind of thinking the same thing, but not enough, I guess where it kept me from taking part in it.:p

il ragno
12-06-2007, 11:17 AM
I stopped eating Chinese once I came into close contact with the large Cantonese community here in Toronto.

"Hygiene" and "cleanliness" are to them what kryptonite is to Superman.

Another post from Boobus Fake-Canadianus.

Thx for reinforcing my view of gypsy refugees from Chainsawslavia.

Boy oh boy....am I grateful that I'm not a pathetic loser in my mid-thirties who hosts racist internet forums until I'm caught by my employer, who then dedicates himself to crafting 'devastating' putdowns whining and complaining about Idiot Americans.

I'd end it right there if that's what my life was relegated to. Or I'd at least fake my own death again.

Mackie
12-06-2007, 11:18 AM
I was kind of thinking the same thing, but not enough, I guess where it kept me from taking part in it.:p
Major religious holidays are just that, regardless of religion I usually respect (religious holidays, not necessarily religions) them enough not to be an asshole, thats next after the holidays are over ;)

Kriger
12-06-2007, 11:26 AM
Major religious holidays are just that, regardless of religion I usually respect (religious holidays, not necessarily religions) them enough not to be an asshole, thats next after the holidays are over ;)

....Agreed....

///M power
12-06-2007, 11:38 AM
but what I like about Hanuka is not "religion stuff",but that its actually history and not a biblical tale that we don't know if it happened or not.( its a celebration over an historical event with military victory over the Greeks)
its a nice holiday,and not depressing one like some Jewish holidays. you light candles with the family and eat too many Jewish donuts.

http://www.edu-negev.gov.il/matyaholon/289_hanukkah_feast1_prev.gif

http://blog.tapuz.co.il/disabled/images/73496_126.jpg

http://www.ladaat.net/siteimages/1166287490.jpg

http://www.ifeel.co.il/pagemodule/image1/5719/22.jpg

http://www.nfc.co.il/UploadImages/XX-168285548686982.jpg

Richard Parker
12-06-2007, 11:45 AM
Maybe I am in that "alternate reality" that Harjit mentions, but it does seem to me that anyone mean-spirited enough to invoke the mandated (federal) separation of church and state in order to remove a nativity scene, or a Christmas tree, from (local) public grounds, mostly likely does hate Christmas. If that person actually spends time and money on lawsuits to achieve that goal, then it's absolutely certain that that person hates Christmas.

The fact is, Christmas isn't sectarian any more than the words "In God we trust" that appear unproblematically on our currency. It's a threadbare symbol of our history and culture. It's also a time of year that normal people enjoy and celebrate. Only a typical Jew or a bizarrely doctrinaire atheist would find the Christmas tree constitutionally objectionable. Common sense dictates that 99.9% of those people who gussy up their anti-Christmas agenda as concern for the constitution are disingenuous. In reality, Jews don't give two shits about the constitution until they find some novel way to use it to insult or subvert the majority culture (pushing porn, attacking Christmas, etc.). Real constitutionalists address real constitutional problems like Jewish-endorsed "diversity" and "sensitivity" training in government employment, the injustice of affirmative action at universities, the denial of freedom of association, "hate crime" law nonsense, and similar issues.
I don't agree with the blanket demonization of Jews, but I agree that anyone who goes out of their to oppose Christmas and says it's for Constitutional reasons is being dishonest.

There are probably many other high-priority places to start, if that is what one is genuinely concerned with. I also agree that it is mean-spirited... but if Thaumiel catches me using that word he's gonna kick my ass again (but completely unrelated to Jewy Christmasy reasons though...). :gone:

il ragno
12-06-2007, 11:56 AM
I'm not sure if this is apropos of anything really, but I'm reminded of Lenny Bruce's old routine about everything in life being either Jewish or goyish, including holiday sweets for kids. Of course this was back when it was fashionable for The Right Sorts of Goys be seen laughing & applauding at this kind of kidding contempt of themselves and their world - it was before any of us realized that the Jews weren't kidding; not in the slightest.

True to form, those Right Sorts of Goys are still laughing and applauding. Not even their own slow annihilation takes pride of place over striking the hippest pose you can.

Dig: I'm Jewish. Count Basie's Jewish. Ray Charles is Jewish.

Eddie Cantor's goyish.

B'nai Brith is goyish; Hadassah, Jewish.

Marine corps--heavy goyim, dangerous.

Kool-Aid is goyish. All Drake's cakes are goyish. Pumpernickel is Jewish, and, as you know, white bread is very goyish. Instant potatoes--goyish. Black cherry soda's very Jewish. Macaroons? Very Jewish--very Jewish cake. Fruit salad is Jewish. Lime jello is goyish. Lime soda is very goyish. Trailer parks are so goyish that Jews won't go near them.

If you’re from New York, you’re Jewish, even if you’re Catholic. All Italians are Jewish.

If you’re from Butte, Montana, you’re goyish even if you’re Jewish.

A clever tribal financial adviser even spun an accounting variation of the above.

The Internal Revenue Code is goyish. S Corps are goyish. Alternative minimum tax is goyish. Qualified retirement plan rules are very goyish.

But not everything in the Internal Revenue Code is goyish. Without question, partnerships are Jewish, as are capital gains. While trust income taxation is, on the whole, goyish, grantor trusts are Jewish. Estate and gift taxes are like someone who was raised as a Gentile, but who always felt Jewish.

As for ordinary and necessary business expenses, well, can anything be more Jewish than the write-off rules of Section 162?


http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:49Fb7LiR1McJ:dirt.umkc.edu/attachments/1031heldforissue.pdf+macaroons%3F+VERY+Jewish&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us

that guy
12-06-2007, 02:31 PM
True to form, those Right Sorts of Goys are still laughing and applauding. Not even their own slow annihilation takes pride of place over striking the hippest pose you can.

Do you think that Jews are in less 'danger of annihilation' than non-Jewish Whites are?

Winston
12-06-2007, 03:10 PM
We had this discussion last year: that's not a Menorah but a Chanukkiyah, which is apparently not a "religious symbol", and is therefore permitted on government premises.

No, I don't understand it either.
I had to look it up. It's commonly known as the Hanukkah menorah, and has two extra branches. If you're right and it really has been deemed to not be a religious symbol, then that's a disgusting double standard because it quite clearly is one. Can you imagine a Jewish lawyer not being able to argue before a court that it's a religious symbol, if it belonged to Christianity? I can't.

il ragno
12-06-2007, 04:00 PM
Do you think that Jews are in less 'danger of annihilation' than non-Jewish Whites are?

Before you get started Holocausting me with oyyy, we're hated among the nations - while sidestepping why that might be - bear in mind I'm talking about the annihilation of identity, tradition, memory, ethnic and racial kinship....all of which have been on top of the pile in the Jewish to-destroy inbox for a hundred years now.

But if we're talking about physical annihilation, I maintain that for every Jew murdered in the 20th century, ten goyim fell. The difference is you only hear about the Jew (and hear about him, and hear about him...)

Six million died in the ovens? Fifty million died taking the zyklon hose out of Hitler's hand for you! And then we put self-loathing into Germany's mother's milk and forced three generations of infants born after the war to suckle it regardless, and at gunpoint.

Stalin was mean to the Jews? Tell it to the Czechs and Hungarians, neither of whose subjugation and suffering even exists in popular media.

The Arabs want you dead? Then you guys should've joined the US Armed Forces en masse four years ago. How many Jews do you suppose are coming home in those flag-draped coffins, anyway? There was an article about the percentage of US Jews deployed to Iraq not too long ago that placed the figure at under 1500. Well...as Sulla would point out, they also serve who go on Free Republic to bravely hoot at "Nazis"....but then again, we're talking "annihilation" here, right?

Honestly - you could set your watch by you people. This, in the final analysis, is the new core-essence of what it is to be Jewish: radiating smug confidence as you take on all comers in a Who's Suffered More contest. And why not, after all? Who's had more Holocaust books and movies doing the heavy lifting of enshrining their victimhood for all to see than the Jews? I mean, jeez....all those movies? It must be true. Nobody's suffered more total annihilation than you poor dears. Here - have another tv station, boychik....you need your strength!

Dan Dare
12-06-2007, 05:48 PM
So now we're being told that Hanukkah doesn't have a religious significance after all, but it's really a celebration of a military victory. Well, that's fine, but that does beg the (somewhat rhetorical) question: what is so specially compelling about this particular victory that its celebrants are permitted to adorn public buildings with its symbology?

Should British-Americans lobby to have large-scale replicas of Spitfires and Hurricanes erected in front of every local city hall to commemorate their victory in the Battle of Britain? Austrian-Americans erect holiday monuments to Polish King John Sobieski for his aid in defeating the Turks? How about Africa-Anericans? Should they have the right to set up Holy Kraals in which they can re-enact the Battle of Isandlwana?

What is about the military event commemorated by Hannukah that sets it apart from these other great victories? As if we really needed to ask.

///M power
12-06-2007, 06:23 PM
it is a Jewish holiday but based on a real event and not an "imaginary" event.
why do you care what Jews celebrate? you celebrate Christmas I celebrate Hanuka. what's the problem exactly?

that guy
12-06-2007, 06:29 PM
Before you get started Holocausting me with oyyy, we're hated among the nations - while sidestepping why that might be -
Before you get started holocausting me with 'oyyy, before you get started holocausting me' you might want to take a peak at the 1,000 posts I have here, and the hundreds of posts I have on vnn and SF, and point to one single time where I did that, or where I ever sidestepped why that might be.

Whining about annihilation is not my thing. I'm sure you could find someone else to fit that glove, though. Perhapse here on the forum?


bear in mind I'm talking about the annihilation of identity, tradition, memory, ethnic and racial kinship....all of which have been on top of the pile in the Jewish to-destroy inbox for a hundred years now.
I realize that. My point was simply that people don't always notice when these things are in jeopardy. The reality is that even though Jews are not being targeted like non-Jewish Whites are, they are in a very similar boat. Remember that the intermarriage rate for Jews and non-Jews is close to 50%. Do you think that will have an effect on the identity, tradition, memory, ethnic and racial kinship of Jews? Simple question, really. Like my original question was.


But if we're talking about physical annihilation, I maintain that for every Jew murdered in the 20th century, ten goyim fell. The difference is you only hear about the Jew (and hear about him, and hear about him...)
Of course. But if you want to use statistics, you should probably factor in the population size.


Six million died in the ovens? Fifty million died taking the zyklon hose out of Hitler's hand for you!
Nobody died "for me" since I wasn't alive back then. I do appreciate the attempt at guilt-tripping me, though. Familiar, itz.


And then we put self-loathing into Germany's mother's milk and forced three generations of infants born after the war to suckle it regardless, and at gunpoint.
Yeah.


Stalin was mean to the Jews? Tell it to the Czechs and Hungarians, neither of whose subjugation and suffering even exists in popular media.
I haven't seen much about Stalin being mean to the Jews in the media, but I don't really watch TV that much.


The Arabs want you dead? Then you guys should've joined the US Armed Forces en masse four years ago. How many Jews do you suppose are coming home in those flag-draped coffins, anyway? There was an article about the percentage of US Jews deployed to Iraq not too long ago that placed the figure at under 1500. Well...as Sulla would point out, they also serve who go on Free Republic to bravely hoot at "Nazis"....but then again, we're talking "annihilation" here, right?
Well, as an Israeli, I couldn't really join the US army. You are probably right about the percentage of Jews in the army today, though it would be interesting to see a class-based study as well. I don't know what the statistics were for Jews in the army during WWII.


Honestly - you could set your watch by you people. This, in the final analysis, is the new core-essence of what it is to be Jewish: radiating smug confidence as you take on all comers in a Who's Suffered More contest.
Well, I don't know who would win such a contest. Certianly the Jews didn't suffer more than various African populations. We have it good. Strange that you will suggest that I complain about suffering, but oh well. Like I said, I'd reckon close to zero out of my 1,000 posts here have anything to do with 'my people's suffering'. Can you say the same thing about your posts? Just a thought.

that guy
12-06-2007, 06:32 PM
it is a Jewish holiday but based on a real event and not an "imaginary" event.
why do you care what Jews celebrate? you celebrate Christmas I celebrate Hanuka. what's the problem exactly?
The problem is that there are some Jews here (in the US) that try to eliminate Christian displays (like the nativity scene) from public places, while supporting the display of hanukkiahs everywhere, even though Jews are a small minority in most of the US.

Dan Dare
12-06-2007, 06:36 PM
it is a Jewish holiday but based on a real event and not an "imaginary" event.
why do you care what Jews celebrate? you celebrate Christmas I celebrate Hanuka. what's the problem exactly?


This.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/7914/20071205radlmenorahlighud2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rabbi Yisroel Rosenfeld, dean of Yeshiva Schools and executive director, Chabad of Western Pennsylvania, lights a candle on Pittsburgh's community menorah at the City-County Building on the first night of Hanukkah for the year 5768 yesterday.

Cole
12-07-2007, 03:12 AM
http://www.fjc.ru/news/newsArticle.asp?AID=606436

Giant Menorah Lit in Front of the Kremlin

Wednesday, December 5 2007

http://www.fjc.ru/media/images/168/nqKb1688498.jpg

MOSCOW, Russia Chanukah celebrations were ushered in across Russia with the lighting of a giant 24 foot Mernorah in front of the Kremlin.

Hundreds of people gathered in the Manezhnaya Square, located just opposite the Kremlin, The Menorah lighting ceremony was graced by the presence of Moscow Mayor Yuri Lushkov, Chief Rabbi of Russia Berel Lazar and Yoisef Kobzon, celebrated singer and peoples artist of Russia.

...

Don Quixote
12-07-2007, 09:22 AM
In America, the secular side of Christmas has a life of its own, and yes, that's because of capitalism in the wealthiest nation on the earth. We can thank the Coca-Cola corporation for inventing the modern image of Santa about 100 years ago. The gift giving side of Christmas was exploited by business, and why not? There's nothing wrong with wanting to make more money, and they did it by taking the natural Christmas tradition of people wanting to do nice things for the people they love and amplifying it.
But here you have proved that there is something deeply wrong here. The desire to make money involves trashing and debasing something sacred (the Incarnation) and turning it in to some consumer gorge fest presided over by Satan Claus.

Carlos Danger
12-07-2007, 09:56 AM
^^ that's the fault of the Church for choosing to celebrate this event on the winter solstice. If they wanted sobriety and solemnity they should have chosen some other date.

Richard Parker
12-07-2007, 10:35 AM
But here you have proved that there is something deeply wrong here. The desire to make money involves trashing and debasing something sacred (the Incarnation) and turning it in to some consumer gorge fest presided over by Satan Claus.
Christmas as it is practiced now seems like a healthy balance of the earthly and the spiritual.

Don Quixote
12-07-2007, 12:14 PM
Christmas as it is practiced now seems like a healthy balance of the earthly and the spiritual.I take this as mockery. There is nothing healthy about traducing a sacred event into a cash spinning excercise. It conditions children into consumerism.

Don Quixote
12-07-2007, 12:15 PM
^^ that's the fault of the Church for choosing to celebrate this event on the winter solstice. If they wanted sobriety and solemnity they should have chosen some other date.The choice of this date predates the rise of consumer capitalism by many centuries.

Isra'il Yahya
12-08-2007, 03:23 AM
Do you think that Jews are in less 'danger of annihilation' than non-Jewish Whites are?

We're assimilating most of you just fine. You're in the same boat as the rest of us now.

Starr
12-08-2007, 03:33 AM
Christmas as it is practiced now seems like a healthy balance of the earthly and the spiritual.


The positive earthly aspects revolving around love and devotion to one's family are very positive and healthy. Empty materialism is an entirely different manner. That teaches people things that are about as different from the traditional message as possible. Selfishness, greed,etc. The more you think about it the more disturbing it seems.:(

there isn't anything wrong with giving someone something to show them how important they are to you and to make them happy, but people today have come to expect that this means some super expensive shiny new gadget. Anything less and they are disappointed. The giving of the gift to show how much someone means to you is less important than how much money you spent on the gift. All very negative for children, family, friends,etc.

Starr
12-08-2007, 07:22 AM
Greed is part of human nature and there's nothing wrong with it. It's why we've survived since the days of stabbing mammoths with sticks. No matter how ruthlessly you enforce a political or religious doctrine to the contrary, the desire to do more to selfishly improve your standard of living will always be present. It's one of the more trustworthy impulses, you can always count on it.

I would have killed for the cool stuff my daughter has when I was her age.


It is a part of human nature that can become a vice if not properly controlled. As with everything else today it is played to in the absolute worst ways and encouraged. People have to accept it as something that will always be a part of them, but to control it, rather than being controlled by it.

that guy
12-08-2007, 02:22 PM
It is a part of human nature that can become a vice if not properly controlled. As with everything else today it is played to in the absolute worst ways and encouraged. People have to accept it as something that will always be a part of them, but to control it, rather than being controlled by it.
I don't associate Christmas with uncontrollable greed, though. Do you? Yes, the holiday has been used by retailers (:jew: ) to increase their sales. But I also think the anti-consumerism fad is sometimes over-hyped.

Don Quixote
12-08-2007, 02:42 PM
I don't see it that way. It looks to me like two seperate events that coincide. That's the basis of my earlier post about American jews, they didn't have to change Hanukkah to compete with Christmas because they could easily have participated in the Santa Claus side of it without compromising their faith.I don't think so, simply because Santa Claus is Saint Nicholas.

My comments were directed against the commericalisation :jew: of Christmas rather than anything about Hanukkah.

Richard Parker
12-08-2007, 03:05 PM
I take this as mockery. There is nothing healthy about traducing a sacred event into a cash spinning excercise. It conditions children into consumerism.
Much of what you say is indeed eminently deserving of mockery, but in this case that honestly was not my intention.

There are plenty of occasions that are not cash-spinning exercises. Christmas just happens to have that aspect, which is why you're picking on it. What if Christmas had been more low-key and some other Xtian special day had a big commercial aspect to it? You'd be griping about that day instead.

Isn't it OK to celebrate the various aspects of life - the worldly and the spiritual, the commercial and the social, etc?

Cole
12-08-2007, 03:09 PM
Isn't it OK to celebrate the various aspects of life - the worldly and the spiritual, the commercial and the social, etc?

Unless one is profiting from it, why would anyone celebrate the commercial?

Richard Parker
12-08-2007, 03:11 PM
Unless one is profiting it, why would anyone celebrate the commercial?
Doesn't the sight of decorations, lights, trees, presents, and all the glitter add to the overall effect and happy "Christmasy" feeling?

Cole
12-08-2007, 03:14 PM
Doesn't the sight of decorations, lights, trees, presents, and all the glitter add to the overall effect and happy "Christmasy" feeling?

I see where you're coming from now. Sure, those things are enjoyable and I wouldn't necessarily associate them with commercialism. That they've been co-opted by commercialism might be more accurate.

Don Quixote
12-08-2007, 03:15 PM
Much of what you say is indeed eminently deserving of mockery, but in this case that honestly was not my intention.Like what, my dislike for gossiping about other members and preference for discussing ideas?

There are plenty of occasions that are not cash-spinning exercises. Christmas just happens to have that aspect, which is why you're picking on it. It does not "happen to have" it was made to become like this, relatively recently at that. What if Christmas had been more low-key and some other Xtian special day had a big commercial aspect to it? You'd be griping about that day instead.What is your problem? You seem to think there is something wrong with not wanting religious events being turned into cash cows. Incredible!
Or perhaps you want to see Christianity debased and destroyed? I don;t even pracrtice the religion, but I do respect it enough to be dismayed at the various attempts to trash it.

Richard Parker
12-08-2007, 03:34 PM
It does not "happen to have" it was made to become like this, relatively recently at that. What is your problem? You seem to think there is something wrong with not wanting religious events being turned into cash cows. Incredible!
Sorry if it sounded like it's a problem, it isn't that big a deal. I get tired of those who complain about modern society. And in your case there is additionally the usual shadowy undercurrent of Jew-obsession that doesn't quite come right out into the open.

Or perhaps you want to see Christianity debased and destroyed?
Not destroyed, just kept in its proper place.

I don;t even pracrtice the religion, but I do respect it enough to be dismayed at the various attempts to trash it.
Christmas won't be trashed, it will always have plenty of meaning in various planes and contexts.

Don Quixote
12-08-2007, 04:17 PM
Sorry if it sounded like it's a problem, it isn't that big a deal. I get tired of those who complain about modern society.Criticise not complain. You seem unable to respond to those criticisms. And in your case there is additionally the usual shadowy undercurrent of Jew-obsession that doesn't quite come right out into the open.Jew-obsession? The only time that subject arises in my mind is when I log on here! Hardly the stuff of obsession.
Not destroyed, just kept in its proper place.What would that be? As a marketing opportunity?
Christmas won't be trashed, it will always have plenty of meaning in various planes and contexts.How would you know, you're not a Christian.

Errigal
12-08-2007, 06:44 PM
According to a columnist at Toronto's Globe & Mail, it has been us pestering them and trying to mess up their Hanukkah fun, not the other way round.

DO THEY KNOW IT'S HANUKKAH?
Wake up and smell the latkes
KAREN von HAHN
NOTICED

This news might come as a shock to you, but this week, as the overwhelm-ng majority are busy inflating their giant lawn Santas, overdrinking at office parties and humming along to Do They Know it's Christmas, some of us are quietly coming home every night and lighting the menorah. Yes, folks, it's that special time of year again. Hanukkah is not a particularly new phenomenon, so it can be a bit annoying that we still have to explain it.

Six thousand years of lighting the darn thing, and still you have a problem with the date. It's like six million of us murdered, and they still schedule parent/teacher nights on Yom Kippur. Everybody across North America ; can quote entire passages from Seinfeld and still they refer to those bready rings at Tim Hortons as "baggles." But I digress.

The point is, folks, Live Aid exhortations aside, there is nobody anywhere in the freaking world who doesn't know it's Christmas. But wake up and smell the latkes (pronounced "lat-kas," by the way, not "lat-kees"): Hanukkah is not a consolation prize for the poor Jewish kids who don't get an old fat man in a red suit coming down their chimney.

This may be disappointing, but neither is it a serious religious holiday. Go ahead, schedule your meetings and galas. and parties. It's not like it's Rosh` Hashanah or Yom Kippur. Neither is it the "most wonderful time of the
year." In fact, for those of us who do "celebrate" Hanukkah, it's not all that much of an event. One night of the eight crazy nights we get together with family, light a hard-to-light candlestick (traditional tapered Hanukkah, candles are frustrating by design, so you know they're Jewish), spin a dreidel (it's pretty boring so you don't do it very long) and, like every other time we get together with family, eat. Except we eat latkes, which are delicious, greasy pancakes of potato and onion that you top with sour cream and apple-sauce.
Depending on your family tradition, there may be gelt (little chocolate coins wrapped in gold foil), stories of the Maccabees, even a low-key exchange of gifts. But that's about it.

Yup, there's no reindeer on the roof, no elves, no stocking stuffers, no candy canes and no Victorian angels.

Go ahead, schedule your meetings and galas and parties. It's not like it's Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur. Neither is it the "most wonderful time of the year."
We don't do eggnog, red velvet or mistletoe. Christmas may indeed coincide on the seasonal calendar with our Festival of Lights, but we don't put up lights, coloured, blinking, icicle, LED or otherwise.

Hanukkah, in fact, is entirely a marzipan and Velveeta-nut-ball-free zone. And what seems to be difficult for everybody to grasp is that we're really okay with that. After six thousand years of nobody else having the faintest clue about our cultural traditions, we've kind of got used to it.

But it's really alright, guys. We don't need to feel included. Feel free to rum-pa-pa-pum on your little drums. Don't worry so much about offending us with your holiday trees, holiday parties and holiday concerts.
And while you're at it, why don't you just leave The Dreidel Song out of it altogether. As far as catchy tunes go, we are first to agree it's not one
to get the party started.

And while we're on the subject, don't you think it's time to give this whole Chrismukkah thing a rest?

I know you're just trying to be nice and spread the holiday cheer around, but if I see one more hilariously witty greeting card with a reindeer, wearing a yarmulke (that's "ya-ma-ka"), or yet another "kosher" fruitcake, I just might be compelled to impale Adam Sandler with a Simpsons mennorah. Which, on reflection, wouldn't really be very much in the holiday spirit.

But then it's hard to avoid feeling a little bit cranky now that everybody wants us to join the party so desperately after not inviting us for six thousand years.

If only you would just let us order in Chinese on Christmas Day and fly down south for New Year's like we have always done and leave us in heavenly peace.

Keystone
12-08-2007, 07:11 PM
Sounds like sour Maneschwitz.



Six thousand years of lighting the darn thing, and still you have a problem with the date. It's like six million of us murdered, and they still schedule parent/teacher nights on Yom Kippur.


:wailingjew:

Winston
12-08-2007, 07:46 PM
Perhaps, Jew, if you'd put more focus on promoting your traditional holidays and less on your suffering, we might know a bit more about you.

Starr
12-08-2007, 07:58 PM
I don't associate Christmas with uncontrollable greed, though. Do you? Yes, the holiday has been used by retailers (:jew: ) to increase their sales. But I also think the anti-consumerism fad is sometimes over-hyped.


It is definitely heading in that direction. Look at some of the crazy stuff that goes on. If you watch the news about what happens on black Friday, you will be sure to here about fights breaking out and other assorted craziness with people all going wild to be the first in line to get the most junk for the best price. It is nuts.

il ragno
12-08-2007, 08:02 PM
Six thousand years of lighting the darn thing, and still you have a problem with the date. It's like six million of us murdered, and they still schedule parent/teacher nights on Yom Kippur.

That this hook-nosed bilge could be written by someone whose last name begins with "Von" .......I swear, it took all my willpower to keep from vomiting.

Mike
12-08-2007, 08:07 PM
Or perhaps you want to see Christianity debased and destroyed? I don;t even pracrtice the religion, but I do respect it enough to be dismayed at the various attempts to trash it.What would you do to protect or restore the holiday? Would you scrap all the trees, the decorations, the eating, the drinking, the merry-making, and the gift-exchanging? None of these elements I mention are integral to the Christian holiday, which is about observing the anniversary of the arrival of our Savior. Eliminating the extraneous elements is exactly what the puritans tried to do, recognizing, correctly, that these elements were in fact derived from the pagan winter solstice festivals, or were later accretions.

Errigal
12-08-2007, 08:22 PM
...

None of these elements I mention are integral to the Christian holiday, which is about observing the anniversary of the arrival of our Savior. Eliminating the extraneous elements is exactly what the puritans tried to do, recognizing, correctly, that these elements were in fact derived from the pagan winter solstice festivals, or were later accretions.

That's why the Established Church was right to expel the neo-Judaic Puritans.

Sulla the Dictator
12-08-2007, 08:39 PM
Well, as an Israeli, I couldn't really join the US army. You are probably right about the percentage of Jews in the army today, though it would be interesting to see a class-based study as well. I don't know what the statistics were for Jews in the army during WWII.


Half a million Jews served in the US Armed forces during WWII. A disproportionate amount of them were awarded for bravery (52,000).

Dan Dare
12-08-2007, 08:55 PM
Half a million Jews served in the US Armed forces during WWII. A disproportionate amount of them were awarded for bravery (52,000).

Source for this?

Sulla the Dictator
12-08-2007, 08:57 PM
Source for this?

Well I read it in a book a long time ago about the American war effort which I no longer have, but its mentioned here:

http://www.thevillager.com/villager_34/roleofamerican.html

Dan Dare
12-08-2007, 09:03 PM
Hmm. I wonder what is meant by a decoration for bravery.

I do know that of the 464 awards of the Congressional Medal of Honor in WW II only two went to Jews.

Source (http://www.medalofhonor.com/JewishRecipients.htm)

tempus fugit
12-08-2007, 09:06 PM
I'm having difficulty finding the number of Stars of David at Normandy, but I saw an estimate of 3%.

Keystone
12-08-2007, 09:23 PM
Go ahead, schedule your meetings and galas and parties. It's not like it's Rosh Hashanah or Yom Kippur. Neither is it the "most wonderful time of the year."
We don't do eggnog, red velvet or mistletoe. Christmas may indeed coincide on the seasonal calendar with our Festival of Lights, but we don't put up lights, coloured, blinking, icicle, LED or otherwise.

Hanukkah, in fact, is entirely a marzipan and Velveeta-nut-ball-free zone. And what seems to be difficult for everybody to grasp is that we're really okay with that. After six thousand years of nobody else having the faintest clue about our cultural traditions, we've kind of got used to it.

The clod-hopping goyim with their garish dislpays and trashy food...Jews wouldn't stoop to that level. Oh, and you killed 6 million of us.
This article oozes contempt for the host societies. I'm really not prone to write stuff like this, but it jumps off the screen at you.

Errigal
12-08-2007, 09:34 PM
The clod-hopping goyim with their garish dislpays and trashy food...Jews wouldn't stoop to that level. Oh, and you killed 6 million of us.
This article oozes contempt for the host societies. I'm really not prone to write stuff like this, but it jumps off the screen at you.

That's right. Very snobby stuff. I have a Velveeta-free Christmas myself so she needs to climb down from the idea that us Gentiles are White Trash or something. The "von" in her name is quite cute. Someone in the Imperial Court in Vienna was likely working off a loan to her husband's great-grandfather when he gave the old Jew a "von". She remembers the Holocaust but she's enough of a snob to remember that German Jews rank higher than grubby little Galician or Russian Jews.

Keystone
12-08-2007, 09:43 PM
That's right. Very snobby stuff. I have a Velveeta-free Christmas myself.
Pffft-- I've been eating Velveeta my entire life

http://www.kraftfoods.com/images/recipe_images/Americas_Favorite_Grilled_Cheese_Sandwich.jpg

Take that, Jews.

My Velveeta cheese log will be supersized this Christmas in honor of Ms. Von Hahn and her tribe!

Errigal
12-08-2007, 09:50 PM
Pffft-- I've been eating Velveeta my entire life

http://www.kraftfoods.com/images/recipe_images/Americas_Favorite_Grilled_Cheese_Sandwich.jpg

Take that, Jews.

My Velveeta cheese log will be supersized this Christmas in honor of Ms. Von Hahn and her tribe!

Grilled cheese sandwiches sure! But Velveeta plays no part in my Christmas feast. Brandy alexanders and and roast beast are more my scene.

Zubenelgenubi
12-08-2007, 11:31 PM
Pffft-- I've been eating Velveeta my entire life

http://www.kraftfoods.com/images/recipe_images/Americas_Favorite_Grilled_Cheese_Sandwich.jpg

Take that, Jews.

My Velveeta cheese log will be supersized this Christmas in honor of Ms. Von Hahn and her tribe!

Yech. As cheesemaking is largely a legacy of European gastronomy, the least one who wishes to be assertive about European traditions can do is have good taste in cheese.

Thomas777
12-08-2007, 11:39 PM
The clod-hopping goyim with their garish dislpays and trashy food...Jews wouldn't stoop to that level. Oh, and you killed 6 million of us.
This article oozes contempt for the host societies. I'm really not prone to write stuff like this, but it jumps off the screen at you.

I've always gotten a kick out of the Jewish meme of ''oy! The tacky Goyim!'' Its sort of a like a Red Indian taking the White Man to task for excessive drinking.

I mean, is a race of people that regularly defiles prime real estate by building houses that look like Andy Warhol's interpretation of Disneyworld's ''Tomorrowland'', have an affinity for male jewelry, and favor lycra jumpsuits actually alleging that other people are gauche, declasse, and lack good taste?

Keystone
12-09-2007, 12:17 AM
Yech. As cheesemaking is largely a legacy of European gastronomy, the least one who wishes to be assertive about European traditions can do is have good taste in cheese.
Velveeta isn't a European tradition. It's a Pasteurized Processed Cheese Product (it says so on the package) that makes yummy grilled "cheese" sandwiches. Never been without it in the fridge.

It's great on "hamburgers", too. Mmmmm---so melty.

Keystone
12-09-2007, 12:25 AM
I've always gotten a kick out of the Jewish meme of ''oy! The tacky Goyim!'' Its sort of a like a Red Indian taking the White Man to task for excessive drinking.

I mean, is a race of people that regularly defiles prime real estate by building houses that look like Andy Warhol's interpretation of Disneyworld's ''Tomorrowland'', have an affinity for male jewelry, and favor lycra jumpsuits actually alleging that other people are gauche, declasse, and lack good taste?
They identify taste with money. The results are both hilarious and horrific.

Errigal
12-09-2007, 01:37 AM
They identify taste with money. The results are both hilarious and horrific.

That's why Las Vegas is the closest most of them will ever get to heaven.

il ragno
12-09-2007, 02:01 AM
Hmm. I wonder what is meant by a decoration for bravery.

I do know that of the 464 awards of the Congressional Medal of Honor in WW II only two went to Jews.

Perhaps those "decorations" were Larry Lawrence Specials, "won" on the battlefields of Brooklyn.

I'm having difficulty finding the number of Stars of David at Normandy...
Yeah - how about that?

Winston
12-09-2007, 02:26 AM
I'm having difficulty finding the number of Stars of David at Normandy, but I saw an estimate of 3%.
Locate the area used in the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan and you'll see all four of them.

Edit: Oh, you said Normandy...

Sulla the Dictator
12-09-2007, 02:47 AM
Hmm. I wonder what is meant by a decoration for bravery.

I do know that of the 464 awards of the Congressional Medal of Honor in WW II only two went to Jews.

Three were Jews. Jews won another 66 Distinguished service crosses, 28 Navy crosses, 41 Distinguished Service medals, 244 Legions of Merit, 1,400 Silver Stars, 2,000 Distinguished Flying Crosses, 191 Soldiers Medals, 28 Navy and Marine Corps medals, 4,600 Bronze Stars, 13,200 Air Medals, and 14,500 Purple Hearts.

that guy
12-09-2007, 02:50 AM
Three were Jews. Jews won another 66 Distinguished service crosses, 28 Navy crosses, 41 Distinguished Service medals, 244 Legions of Merit, 1,400 Silver Stars, 2,000 Distinguished Flying Crosses, 191 Soldiers Medals, 28 Navy and Marine Corps medals, 4,600 Bronze Stars, 13,200 Air Medals, and 14,500 Purple Hearts.
Ha. That's less than Errigal does on an average night on teh internets. fecking parasites the lot of em.

Dan Dare
12-09-2007, 05:20 AM
Three were Jews. Jews won another bv

*slaps forehead*

How dumb can a mensch be. I'm thinking retail and you're talking wholesale.

It makes total sense now.

66 Distinguished service crosses, 28 Navy crosses, 41 Distinguished Service medals, 244 Legions of Merit, 1,400 Silver Stars, 2,000 Distinguished Flying Crosses, 191 Soldiers Medals, 28 Navy and Marine Corps medals, 4,600 Bronze Stars, 13,200 Air Medals, and 14,500 Purple Hearts = 52,000 decorations for bravery.

Thomas777
12-09-2007, 08:19 AM
They identify taste with money. The results are both hilarious and horrific.


Yeah...that is the point I'm making. The African-American tribe does the same thing, but I'm not about to become all insecure, get some ''spinning'' rims, smoke sherm on a weekly basis, and procure a ''pimp cup'' from which to swill spirits...could we say that the aesthetics in question are those of the ''nigger rich''?

///M power
12-15-2007, 11:24 AM
Arnold Schwarzenegger loves hanuka!:rofl:

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/04062007/1316899/6_wa.jpg

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/04062007/1316704/1_wa.jpg

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/04062007/1316710/4_wa.jpg

Richard Parker
12-15-2007, 11:29 AM
Arnold Schwarzenegger loves hanuka!:rofl:
You probably have bigger muscles than him now. :D

Dan Dare
12-15-2007, 05:26 PM
I never realised ZZ Top were Jewish.