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Lenny
11-30-2005, 05:06 AM
IS ROME'S AIM THE BREAK-UP OF THE UK?

Cardinal Thomas Winning, leader of Scotland's 750,000 Roman Catholics entered the debate on the future of the United Kingdom when he appeared to endorse Scottish nationalism. In a speech in Brussels he raised the prospect of full independence in 10 years' time, and described nationalism as "mature, respectful of democracy and international in outlook". The speech followed opinion poll evidence suggesting a threefold increase in support for independence among Catholics since 1974, and a promise by the Scottish National Party to retain separate denominational schools. Cardinal Winning said: "In Scotland in recent years there has been a growing realisation that our future as a nation is European. "Our culture, our laws, our language and literature, our trading links and our choice of holiday destination - all of these betray the very real, profound and unbreakable links, which bind Scotland to the old continent. "But at the same time as we witness a growth in European sensitivity, Scotland is seeing a re-emergence of nationalism. "To the outside observer such trends might seem contradictory. But I don't believe that to be the case. Nationhood within Europe seems to be the combination, which is proving attractive to growing numbers of our fellow citizens." Cardinal Winning said the church had not taken sides before the referendum on home rule, but he said he was "well pleased" with the Yes vote because devolution fitted with the Catholic principle of subsidiarity. He told his audience that Scottish nationalism had nothing in common with the "aggressive and violent nationalism" which had scarred the Balkans. "Nor does it mirror the loud-mouthed rhetoric of the Lega del Nord in Italy or the xenophobic propaganda of the National Front in France," he said. "Democrats can be reassured that the merging sense of nationhood and political nationalism in Scotland is unique in European terms. "It is mature, respectful of democracy and international in outlook. An old, yet new nation is taking its place once more on the world stage with its legal system, democratic institutions, respect for human rights, educational facilities and all the rest already in place." There was an increasing openness among young Scots to full independence "probably around 10 years from now". A spokesman for the church said Cardinal Winning's intention was not to endorse the SNP, but to reflect the mood of the nation. The church said the speech was apolitical. Alex Salmond, the SNP leader, said the speech was not party political, but was what the SNP would expect from a cardinal who was. "very Scottish and very European". Mr Salmond said: "It is clearly a very wise speech which recognises Scotland's strong and historic links with the rest of Europe, and seeks to place these in the context of a modern Scotland in a modern Europe." Scottish Labour said it had been assured by the church that the cardinal was simply reflecting the fact that nationalist support had increased in the polls. The title of the cardinal's speech, A new Scotland in the New Europe, was set for him several months ago when he was asked to deliver a quarterly lecture by the Commission of European Episcopal Conferences.

OVER A CENTURY AGO ANOTHER CARDINAL MANNING, TOLD A GREAT CONFERENCE OF ROMAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS - "IT IS YOUR TASK, REVEREND FATHERS, TO BEND AND BREAK THE WILL OF AN IMPERIAL RACE - BRITAIN IS THE HEAD OF PROTESTANTISM. CONQUERED THERE IT IS PARALYSED WORLDWIDE."

http://www.1335.com/Romearch/rw0199.html

Kodos
11-30-2005, 05:22 AM
The UK has decayed big on its own... as much as I'd like to think it was the catholic church is responsible for Britain's postwar self hatred and national suicide... I think they did it too themselves. They lock people up for shooting home invaders now, I'd want out too.

Felix the Cat
11-30-2005, 05:48 AM
A couple of points

a) There are more Catholics in England than in Scotland and Ireland combined - pulling four million Calvinists out of the union will therefore naturally strengthen Catholic power in England. (In contrast the Church has always opposed Irish nationalism, because the secession of Irish catholics would conversely weaken English Catholicism)

b) Scotland is WAY more left-wing than England. Stripped of its Scottish MPs, the Labour Party will never again win another election

Overberserker
11-30-2005, 06:22 AM
There is always religious intrigue occuring there for some reason. I have heard that Prince Charles wants to convert to Islam (and convert the nation as well). I have also heard that Prince Phillip (Queen Elizabeths husband) wants to convert to Greek Orthodox and has talked Prince Charles into doing it as well and both want to convert the nation.

My hope is all the semitics will battle it out, thus weakening themselves, and in the end Pagans will make a massive come-back.

Jimbo Gomez
11-30-2005, 10:02 AM
There is always religious intrigue occuring there for some reason. I have heard that Prince Charles wants to convert to Islam (and convert the nation as well). I have also heard that Prince Phillip (Queen Elizabeths husband) wants to convert to Greek Orthodox and has talked Prince Charles into doing it as well and both want to convert the nation.

My hope is all the semitics will battle it out, thus weakening themselves, and in the end Pagans will make a massive come-back.

Yeah, and then a spaceship will take 'em all to Thule...


Lenny: it is the man's good right to be a nationalist.

Lenny
12-01-2005, 04:22 AM
Lenny: it is the man's good right to be a nationalist.A crazed secessionist working on behalf of a foreign power to tear apart a nation is not a "nationalist" :mad:

Maybe according to you this man was a "patriotic hero" too:
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This is not about nationalism, it is about the Vatican wanting to break up the UK and restore Catholicism to Great Britain (or short of that, advance Catholic power and weaken some of their enemies, the Protestants of England Scotland Wales and Ireland), this has been their plan spanning across six centuries now, they have actively tried many times but always (so far) have failed

Felix the Cat
12-01-2005, 06:07 AM
Lenny, there is no "plot" because none of this is a secret - the Reconversion of England has been a publicly-stated Catholic objective for centuries

As to "breaking up the UK", the ideal situation for the Church would be the secession of Scotland and reintegration of Ireland, since that would push Catholic representation in Westminister up to nearly 30%, and give the Church a level of power in England it has not enjoyed since the Reformation

Kodos
12-01-2005, 06:18 AM
Lenny, there is no "plot" because none of this is a secret - the Reconversion of England has been a publicly-stated Catholic objective for centuries

Its a plot because they use subversive and clandestine means to carry it out...

One of the things the allies should have done after taking Italy is repeal the Laternan treaty and as part of the peace settlement with Italy forever bar the Vatican from ever having an independent state...

Lenny
12-01-2005, 12:50 PM
As to "breaking up the UK", the ideal situation for the Church would be the secession of Scotland and reintegration of Ireland, since that would push Catholic representation in Westminister up to nearly 30%, and give the Church a level of power in England it has not enjoyed since the ReformationWhat are the percentages of Catholics and Protestants in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland today? I would be interested to know these statistics

Jimbo Gomez
12-01-2005, 01:05 PM
Guy Fawkes was a hero Lenny.

Lenny
12-01-2005, 01:29 PM
Guy Fawkes was a hero Lenny.No he wasn't :mad: That's like saying "Judas was a hero"

Kodos
12-01-2005, 07:13 PM
Guy Fawkes was a hero Lenny.

How was this religious terrorist ala modern jihadis a "hero"?

Kodos
12-01-2005, 07:13 PM
No he wasn't :mad: That's like saying "Judas was a hero"

Its more like saying OBL and Muhammad Atta were heroes?

Lenny
12-01-2005, 10:02 PM
Its more like saying OBL and Muhammad Atta were heroes?I agree with this too, although http://newsinjection.ihug.co.nz/nov02/images/g-gpp.gif was betraying his own country on behalf of a foreign power & alien hostile religion, today the suicide bombers who attack- and try to attack- western targets on behalf of a foreign power & alien hostile religion, are not betraying their own country, but attacking enemies, so GF is worse than them

He is a combination of Benedict Arnold, a fanatical Muslim terrorist living in europe planning on a massive bombing of government targets, Judas, a crazy criminal, and others