Can Slavs be Nazis?

[Watzy]

An old subject, yet never outdated, so here we go:

Is National Socialist ideology designed for nationalists of Slavic nations, including the sympathizers of ex-Axis/pro-Axis movements (Slovakian Hlinka guard, Croat Ustashe, various Serb collaborators ect.)

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The inspiration for this post was Dr. Brandts quote on Triglav's signature:http://forum.skadi.net/member.php?u=946

"slavic" languages are absolutely artificial (Read "slawenlegende"). The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North. All blond people originate from the north. So if you see a blond-blue eyed Slovene, Russian, Czech, Polak ect., you can be 100% sure that his ancient ancestors originated from "Germanics" (Germanic = Nordic).

~Dr. Brandt, former TNP and Skadi member
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Please post a comment along with your vote.

[zenero]

I think this Dr. Brandt is right in a way. Slavs were merely a repulsive culture-group for Hitler. It wasn't only Bolshevik Slavs he hated, he hated the entire Slavic/- east European culture occupied and customated by Slavs.

And actually i laugh at these Russian National Socialists parading with a swastika on a daily working day in Moskow. Altough, they have great numbers of Racial Activists, so i won't bash them. I rather see them shouting: Russia for the Russians !!! Instead of ''Heil Hitlering''

I also agree that Russian people like, Sharapova have their blonde hair from Swedes fighting the Russians or Finns with a high percentage of Scandinivian blood entering the Russian tundra's.

[Watzy]

"No"

The "glagolica", invented by a bunch of monks, is nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs.

According to the naked carvers of the Hunnish runes, Glagolica - the letter of Croatian kings, the first letter of the Croats - was 'an ancient esperanto'.

I dont think any patriotic Croatian, especially Ustasha could agree with this.

The craddle of European Civilization comes from the North.

:rofl:

[Atlas]

Much of the hype about Hitler being unilaterally anti-Slav comes from the propaganda of the true victors of the second world war - the same ones who like to pretend to define the word "Aryan". He was against the non-White elements often grouped into the Slavic racial category, and Slavic traitors such as Slavic Jews, Slavic Moors, the large preponderance of Slavic Communists, and the like, just as he was against non-White, non-Aryan Germans.

The sentiment is expressed quite clearly, over and over again. Those words simply aren't the ones that made it to the modern history books.

I've seen many "Slavs" who look a great deal more White than some of those who get passed off as being "White" amongst our ranks, such as Anthony Chechnini and Alexandro Di Civita who merely get a lot of lip-service because they have money.

[OVERWATCH]

I think Hitler considered the Russians to be, by and large, subhuman mongrels, whose upper-crust had been destroyed by the Communist revolution; however, I don't believe that Hitler considered the Slavs, as a whole, to be subhumans, since they are essentially a language group.

As to the question, "Can Slavs be Nazis"? Sure, but in some cases it seems to be very nonsensical, such as with Serbs, Russians; for them, being either a patriotic nationalist or a "Nazi" would be utterly incompatible.

But since National-Socialism was utterly defeated in 1945, and severely marginalised, there's no authority to dictate who can or cannot call themselves a "nazi".

[zenero]

Much of the hype about Hitler being unilaterally anti-Slav comes from the propaganda of the true victors of the second world war - the same ones who like to pretend to define the word "Aryan". Are you actually familiar with Hitler's racial policy towards non-Germanic elements? Sure he had a alliance with Latin-Langobordian, Mussolini, sure he gave Himmler permission for building 2 SS - Slavic Muslim divisions. But the point is, he knew the average Russian in '33 had Mongoloid admixture.

He was against the non-White elements often grouped into the Slavic racial category, Evidence, please. I'm asking evidence for this statement.

[Vindex]

Yeah I can't see why not, Hitler lived in a time when extreme Nationalist thinking existed to the point where Nations of Europe where claiming to be there own Race. As for Germany when Hitler was running for bossman, you needed to have a open anti-Slav attitude if you expected to win anything, plus the Germans had just fought the Slavs in the Great War etc. Looking at it the Nazis did not consider the Slavs as a whole to be sub-Human but they understood and wanted to install a program to correct the mongelization that had happened in the East. They had no beef with a White Russian, but had no love for a Euro-Asian.

[Banat]

I didn't vote yet. If they replaced the Indo-Germanic racial ideology with Slavic/Russian one, and keep all other aspects of National-Socialism, would that count as Nazi, too?

In other words: is Nazi still a Nazi if he eliminates Hitler's personality cult and imposes his own racial superiority thesis instead of Germanic one?


According to the naked carvers of the Hunnish runes, Glagolica - the letter of Croatian kings, the first letter of the Croats - was 'an ancient esperanto'.

I dont think any patriotic Croatian, especially Ustasha could agree with this.

:eek:

Neither would any Serbian nationalist, especially Chat-Nick.

And actually i laugh at these Russian National Socialists parading with a swastika on a daily working day in Moskow.

Actually, there is nothing wrong with swastika, for it isn't neither only Nazi nor only Germanic symbol.

I rather see them shouting: Russia for the Russians !!! Instead of ''Heil Hitlering''

That is why asked about the term Nazi if it meant unchanged Hitler's National-Socialism. 'Heil-Hitlering' for Russians is somewhat inappropriate, as with Serbs also.

Sure, but in some cases it seems to be very nonsensical, such as with Serbs, Russians; for them, being either a patriotic nationalist or a "Nazi" would be utterly incompatible.

Why in the world would it be incompatible for either Serbs or Russians to be patriotic nationalist?

[Watzy]

I didn't vote yet. If they replaced the Indo-Germanic racial ideology with Slavic/Russian one, and keep all other aspects of National-Socialism, would that count as Nazi, too?

In other words: is Nazi still a Nazi if he eliminates Hitler's personality cult and imposes his own racial superiority thesis instead of Germanic one?

'Nazi' is understood here as a German movement, today represented by German post-war followers of Brand's type. (Notice the quote)

Neither would any Serbian nationalist, especially Chat-Nick.

How about Stojadinovic, Nedic, Prokic, SDK?

[zenero]

Actually, there is nothing wrong with swastika, for it isn't neither only Nazi nor only Germanic symbol. Yes, but the Russian NS'ers are using the swastika for a racially purpose. Swastika will always be associated with the Hitler era, and not with the Hindu context of using a swastika for religious purposes.

[Banat]

Yes, but the Russian NS'ers are using the swastika for a racially purpose. Swastika will always be associated with the Hitler era, and not with the Hindu context of using a swastika for religious purposes.

Or the swastika drawn on few (or even only that one, I admit I'm not sure) medieval Serbian war-flags.

'Nazi' is understood here as a German movement, today represented by German post-war followers of Brand's type. (Notice the quote)

Aha, I see. After a short thinking, I again say "yes", with the remark that I personally find it somewhat insensible and incompatible with "Slavic soul", but again, who says that an ideology has to be sensible in the first place?

How about Stojadinovic, Nedic, Prokic, SDK?

I think Nedic wouldn't, and for the rest I'm not sure. But hardly any Serbian nationalist could agree that the letter and the old-Slavonic were "absolutely artificial" and "nothing but an ancient esperanto, creating new words, definitions and alphabet out of regional slangs."

[OVERWATCH]

Why in the world would it be incompatible for either Serbs or Russians to be patriotic nationalist?

For Serbs and Russians, as well as other [non-Slavs] who were the historic enemies of the Nazis, being a patriotic nationalist is incompatible with being a Nazi.

For example, how could a Russian that considers himself to be a Russian nationalist, also consider himself to be a Nazi when millions of Russians died in a war started by Nazis for the purpose of subjugating his own people?:confused:

They will do it, however, and justify it by claiming that Hitler invaded Russia as a pre-emptive strike. That may be true to a certain extent, but the welfare of the Russian people were not considered, the Nazis did not aim to 'liberate' the Russians.

[Zrinski]

For example, how could a Russian that considers himself to be a Russian nationalist, also consider himself to be a Nazi when millions of Russians died in a war started by Nazis for the purpose of subjugating his own people?:confused:

Serbs also. German Nazis killed Serbs by hundreds....innocent people only in retaliation. I find it ridiculous when i see Serbs hailing German Nazis or Fascist Italians while they spout on Croatian Ustashe when there is basically no difference.

I don't think that Slavs can be a nazi as it is unnatural. Even those who allied themselves with them are incompatible as the only goal of Hitler and Germans was in the end to germanize them...Hitler wrote that Croats should be germanized as soon as posibble and incorporated into German nation.

btw. I laugh at the statement that all culture comes from North and Nordics when every western(Europe and colonies) country that exists today is based on old Greek and Roman civilisation. :p

[Ace Rimmer]

I also agree that Russian people like, Sharapova have their blonde hair from Swedes fighting the Russians or Finns with a high percentage of Scandinivian blood entering the Russian tundra's.

That is not quite true. ;)

[Watzy]

"bunch of monks"


Not to forget, Hlinka was a priest, while Pavelic's movement had a strong clerical tradition. Both of them worked on the preservation of their peoples in Catholic spirit. I doubt they intimately condoned the neo-pagan worldview of the Nazi elite.

[Banat]

For Serbs and Russians, as well as other [non-Slavs] who were the historic enemies of the Nazis, being a patriotic nationalist is incompatible with being a Nazi. ...

Cut, cut, cut. :o I am sorry, I totally misunderstood you, I thought you said that it would be incompatible with their nature or their being to be patriotic nationalists. My mistake.

BTW, I haven't voted, for I'm not sure yet. I'd say "yes", because they could be, and also "no" because it would be in my opinion something wrong because of the reasons already mentioned by 88mmFlaK and Zrinski.

[Watzy]

Here's the site of the Russian 'Nazis' (Russian National Socialist Party): http://www.nationalism.org/rnsp/display_ENG.htm

Except the name, and the recognizable red-white-black (nazi-style) flag it is hard to find similarities with the actual Nazism as a political doctrine. Personally, I would classify them as standard pan-Orthodox drunkards with the developed Nazi fetish.

We base our ideology on four principles:

1) Orthodox Christianity - the religion of our ancestors.

Hitler:

"Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)


10th October, 1941, midday

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)


14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)


19th October, 1941, night

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."


21st October, 1941, midday

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the
instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)


13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe
transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)


14th December, 1941, midday

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism,
under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)


9th April, 1942, dinner

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)


27th February, 1942, midday

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)"

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html

3) Aggressive Russian Nationalism - the defensive reaction of our Race.

Hitler:

"The end of Jewish rule in Russia will also be the end of Russia as a state."

"I have not forgotten the insolent threat which the pan-Slavic Russia of that time dared to address to Germany; I have not forgotten the constant practice mobilizations, whose sole purpose was an affront to Germany; I cannot forget the mood of public opinion in Russia, which outdid itself in hateful outbursts against our people and our Reich"

[Petyr Baelish]

I also agree that Russian people like, Sharapova have their blonde hair from Swedes fighting the Russians or Finns with a high percentage of Scandinivian blood entering the Russian tundra's.

There is no historical, anthropological, archeological or genetic evidence for this assertion - indeed, it is flatly contradicted by all we know about the ethnic history of the region. The original Slavs were a predominantly depigmented folk, which still shows in the fact that Russians and Poles are blonder and lighter-eyed than, say, Germans. Someone should ask Dr. Brandt what distant blond-and-blue-eyed Germanic ancestor his swarthy Dinaric visage comes from....

[Petyr Baelish]

Nazism is an extreme form of German nationalism, marked by irredentist aims and imperialist actions. To ask whether a Slav can be a Nazi is to me as absurd as asking whether a Frenchman can be a British imperialist, or a Palestinian Arab a Zionist. I think it is also misleading to equate autochthanous Fascist/authoritarian movements like the Ustashe that arose with no special encouragement from Nazi Germany with Nazism per se.

[Watzy]

Someone should ask Dr. Brandt what distant blond-and-blue-eyed Germanic ancestor his swarthy Dinaric visage comes from....

The answer would be something like: "Swarthy Germans are Nords in spirit, just like Goebbels." :D

[Jebivjetar]

By today's standards national socialism equals white supremacism and Hitler is presented as hero of whole white race.

[Slavic Enforcer]

I think they can, but I don't think they should.

[Watzy]

I phrased the question a bit badly.

It should be: "Can a nationalist of (any) Slavic nation consider him self a Nazi without falling into a contradiction with his domestic nationalism."

[Zrinski]

I think it is also misleading to equate autochthanous Fascist/authoritarian movements like the Ustashe that arose with no special encouragement from Nazi Germany with Nazism per se.

Indeed. Thats why I am always making distinction between those groups and various others. We can speak of autchtonous pro-nazi/fascist when we speak in terms of ideology but the very term nazi belongs to Germans, as Fascist belongs to Italians.

[Watzy]

I think It's impossible to regard Nazism as some universal doctrine and to ignore its exclusive German dimension, as Banat suggested.

For example, Hitler eloquently opposed the Versailles order, but ONLY when it comes to the protection of German interests. In the case of Balkans he supported this same Versailles order.

Nazis certainly weren't the supporters of Croats prior to the pro-Western putsch of Serb general Simovic in Serbia. Quite opposite, Hitler welcomed the proclamation of unitarian dictatorship of Yugoslav (Serb) king Aleksandar Karadjordjevic. After Ustashe and VMRO (Macedonians) assassinated Alexander, Nazi Germany supported another pro-Axis Serb regent Paul Karadjordjevic. So, before Croatia even existed, the royal Yugoslavia was a member of the Axis already. It was only after the putsch in Belgrade that forced Hitler tu turn to Croatian side - to minister Vlatko Maček (who refused to collaborate), and than to Pavelic (as to a THIRD alternative).

As we can see from this link, regent Paul is admired by the Serbian 'Nazis' (Dr. Brandt's followers):http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=125849

http://snyderstreasures.com/albums/ah/AHYugoslaviaPrinceF.sized.jpg
Hitler&Paul

EDIT:

Hitler's policy toward Yugoslavia in details: http://thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1903

[Ace Rimmer]

http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ca_hitler.html



This is interesting, and maybe theme for another separate thread.

Hitler - Christian, Atheist, or Neither?

I have link to some 60 pro-Christian quotes from Hitler, not from public speeches as the above site suggests were only occasions he supported Christianity , but from Mein Kampf as well, in contradiction to what your source claims
that Hitler performed public speeches for masses while in reality thought and wrote differently.


http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_AHitler.htm

[6(sic)6]

This is what Hitler thought of the serbs:
“I have three enemies, the Serbs, the Jews and the Communists.”

Seeing a serb hailing is very funny! It is either Selfhate or idiotic.
:nono: hailing serbs you just make your parents sad.

[Dionysus]

Any Nation who can grasp and unify the principles of Nationalism and Socialism can be a "Nazi". But of course each case would be a different National Socialism, as each nation would adapt these principles to their own local life and thought, custom and tradition.

[Dionysus]

This is what Hitler thought of the serbs:
“I have three enemies, the Serbs, the Jews and the Communists.”

Seeing a serb hailing is very funny! It is either Selfhate or idiotic.
:nono: hailing serbs you just make your parents sad.I really have never seen the original source for this quotation.

I agree it's ridiculous for any non-German(ic), to be hailing Hitler. Unless of course they would desire to be German(ic).

[Dionysus]

...Hitler wrote that Croats should be germanized as soon as posibble and incorporated into German nation.If I remember correctly from his Table Talks, Hitler believed it would be desirable the Croats be Germanized. However, this would have to be ruled out for political reasons.

[Watzy]

If I remember correctly from his Table Talks, Hitler believed it would be desirable the Croats be Germanized. However, this would have to be ruled out for political reasons.

Karel Havliček-Borovsky said; "If Czechs must give up their national individuality, it is irrelevant shall they become Germans or Russians." That's exactly how I look upon the past attempts of Germanization, Serbization or Magyarization of Croatia. Also I find ethnic or linguistic similarities on Slavic/non-Slavic basis irrelevant for that matter. As Toma Masaryk stated for Czechs: "There are no tight connections between Czechoslovakia and other Slavs."

[Ace Rimmer]

If I remember correctly from his Table Talks, Hitler believed it would be desirable the Croats be Germanized. However, this would have to be ruled out for political reasons.


"It is not possible to generalize on the extent to which the Slav races are susceptible to the Germanic imprint. In point of fact, Tsarist Russia, within the framework of her pan-Slav policy, propagated the qualification Slav and imposed it on a large diversity of people, who had no connection with the Slavonic race. For example, to label the Bulgarians as Slavs is pure nonsense; originally they were Turkomans. The same applies to the Czechs. It is enough for a Czech to grow a mustache for anyone to see, from the way the thing droops, that his origin is Mongolian. Among the so-called Slavs of the South the Dinarics are predominant. Turning to the Croats, I must say I think it is highly desirable, from the ethnical point of view, that they should be Germanized. There are, however, political reasons which completely preclude any such measures."

Hitler's Table Talk, p.473


"The Croatians are a proud Folk. They should be bound directly to The Leader (i.e. A.H. himself) by an oath of loyalty. Like that, one could rely upon them absolutely. When I have [Commander in Chief of the Croatian Army, Slavko] Kvaternik standing in front of me, I behold the very type of the Croatian as I've always known him, unshakeable in his friendships, a man whose oath is eternally binding."

Under the entry for October 29, 1941

[Banat]

to label the Bulgarians as Slavs is pure nonsense; originally they were Turkomans.

:nono: He couldn't have been more wrong.

The same applies to the Czechs. It is enough for a Czech to grow a mustache for anyone to see, from the way the thing droops, that his origin is Mongolian.

LMAO.

I hear this for the first time. :D Johnson?

Is it really possible that he could be serious about those two?

[Petr]

Is it really possible that he could be serious about those two?

Very possible. As far as his historical knowledge was concerned, Hitler was not much different from all those snotty know-it-all Nerdicists you can find in places like VNN Forum or Skadi.


Petr

[Ace Rimmer]

:nono: He couldn't have been more wrong.


Not if we are talking about proto-Bulgarians.

[Petr]

Not if we are talking about proto-Bulgarians.
That's true. After all, the original title of the ruler of Bulgars was Khan.

"The Byzantines were crushed like never before. The Emperor and most of his commanders were killed. To celebrate his victory, the Khan had the emperors skull lined with silver and drank from it."

http://www.bulgaria.com/history/rulers/krum.html

An ancient Scythian custom...


Petr

[Banat]

Not if we are talking about proto-Bulgarians.

In that case, he might have been right. But I think he didn't mean proto-Bulgarians, but modern ones.

And even in the case of proto-Bulgarians not all agree. I've heard some Bulgarian theories that those were Slavs from Volga and that Bulgarians=Volgarians. Not that I agree, though.

That's true. After all, the original title of the ruler of Bulgars was Khan.

Khan is also similar to Serbian/Slavic 'karan'.

[Zrinski]

Old Bulgarians were not Turkic. They are still engima as to what they have been but most historians today agree that they most probably represented the old Uralo-Altaic group that is now extinct.

Chuvas language in Russia is considered to be very close to the language Bulgarians originally spoke.

[Watzy]

I support the Great Bulgaria - the new Simeons empire. Bulgarians are the true bearers of the South Slavic culture of the East, and the Croats are the bearers of the South-Slavic culture of the West. The idea of the Great Bulgaria is not in the collision with Great Croatia, in many aspects one is not possible without the other.

Ante Starčević was the first to recognize the necessity to cooperate with Bulgaria, proposing the Tomislav-Simeon border (Drina river). The results of the Second Balkan War 1913 turned Bulgarians and pro-Bulgarian Macedonians into our natural friends on the Balkans.

Simeons Empire: http://www.macedoniainfo.com/macedonia/BULGARIA-SIMEON.jpg

[Banat]

No you don't, as you absolutely don't care for Bulgars, but only for the erase of Serbia out of the map. For that matter you support Greater Albania, or even try to get closer to Serbs by supporting Dushan's Serbian Empire's borders, all that depending on the major opinion of a forum.

Long live Holy Coalition of Serbia, Greece, Romania and Bulgaria that would revive Eastern Roman Empire on the Balkans and spread its borders from Constantinople and the Black Sea to the Adriatic Coastline!

[Watzy]

No you don't, as you absolutely don't care for Bulgars, but only for the erase of Serbia out of the map.

You lie Serb! How could I not care for Bulgaria when the first Croat (and Slavic in generally) letter originated in Bulgaria!? Bulgaria was a member of the Central Powers like Croatia. When did Croatia ever betrayed Bulgaria like Serbia and Greece did??? Croatia/Austria-Hungaria always supported Bulgaria. I would even be prepared to go so far to support Croatia in bombarding Belgrade in the case of Bulgarian-Serb war, asking nothing in return from Bulgarians, not even the assistance in solving the Serbian question in Bosnia. Bulgarians should know Croatia is the key of their future power on Balkans.

Here's a nice Bulgarian ww1 postcard portraying Serbian leaders on the run:

http://www.ww1-propaganda-cards.com/images/s001.JPG
The top-central figure is Serb King Aleksandar Karadjordjevic, latter assassinated by Vlada Gheorghieff, the member of pro-Bulgarian (Bulgaro-Macedon) VMRO and Croat Ustashas.

Alexsander Karadjordjević of Yugoslavia

The story of Alexander's death began years earlier when the Croatian pacifist leader Stjepan Radic and four other Croatian leaders were gunned down by a Serbian Deputy on the floor of Parliament. Alexander followed this blow by declaring himself King Dictator on January 6, 1929, abolishing any pretense of constitutionality. By 1934, more than 19,000 Croatians had been sentenced to prison for up to twenty years or more and over two hundred had received the death penalty for violations of the draconian catch-all decree known as the "Act for Defense of the Realm." Hundreds more "committed suicide," died of illness in prison or were shot by gendarmes in the "suppression of rebellion." Montenegrins, Slovenes, Macedonians and even democratic Serbs did not fair much better under Alexander's despotic rule. The Karageorgevic dynasty was founded by Karageorge ("Black George") Petrovic, a pig farmer who by his own admission killed 125 men with his own hands, his stepfather and brother among them. He was killed by Milos in 1817. Black George's son Alexander returned to the throne in 1842 but was deposed by the rival Obrenovic "dynasty" and died in exile in 1885. Alexander Obrenovic and his queen were in turn murdered in 1903 by Petar I, father of Alexander of Yugoslavia. Alexander came to power only because his older brother Prince George murdered his valet and was forced to renounce his claim to the throne.

Ustasha and VMRO

By the courtesy of Hungaria, Yanka Pusta in vinicity of Nagy Kanizsa was given to Croatian dissidents, and It was a training camp where the first Ustashas had been taught by experts. Pavelić gave the command to play the deadly game of chance - the men who picked the black cubes were told that fate had chosen them to help liberate Croatia by murdering Serb 'king' Alexander. The lucky gamblers were Zvonomir Pospišil, Mijo Kralj, and Ivan Raich. The three were happy to have the honor of killing a man they considered to be the enemy of the Croatian people. They repeated aloud the oath they had taken when they were enrolled in the organization, which ended: “Failing my oath, I shall accept death as the penalty, God help me, Amen!”

Their fellow members in simmilar Ustasha training camps in Italy (Bavigno, Brescia and Lipari) were also preparing themselves for the same objective. The bodyguard of the leader, Ante Pavelić was to take a leading part in the assassination of Alexander. He was a Bulgarian/Macedonian, a member of friendly Macedon VMRO resistance. His name is not known since he used more fake names ( Veličko Kerin, Vlada Gheorghieff, Georgiev, Stoyanov, Dimitrov, Chernozemsly, Suk, Keleman) amongst Ustashas he was known as Vlada the Chauffeur (Vlada Šofer). Vlada bad been appointed supervisor of the department of bomb-throwing and sharpshooting in the school that was being conducted by the Ustasha in North Italy.

The Attempt of assassination in Zagreb

One of Vlada's most promising students had been Peter Oreb, a peasant from Dalmatia. In December of 1933 Oreb with his two assistants—Pogorelec and Begović—had been chosen to kill Alexander in Zagreb's Jellachich Square. The three had glided their way to the Julian Alps and crossed the border into Slovenia, where they took a train for Zagreb with Hungarian passports. Alexander went to Croatia planning to stay at the palace of the provincial governor in Zagreb. He intended to see Archbishop Bauer, the Catholic Metropolitan. He and queen would then attend services in the Cathedral of St. Stephen. The 'royal' couple arrived on schedule in the Croatian capital. They were driven through the streets of Zagreb early the next morning. The car stopped in front of the Cathedral; Alexander and his Queen stepped out. They were given the traditional blessing by Archbishop Bauer. Oreb, standing a few hundred feet from Alexsander, could have used a bomb and killed him. But that would have entailed murdering a Catholic prelate, which Oreb, a devout believer, could not bring himself to do. Alexander and Marie walked down the aisle with measured steps. It was now too late to throw a bomb: hundreds of Croats would be killed. Oreb ran out of the Cathedral. His two comrades were waiting for him in the street. The three men had a furious argument, to which Oreb finally called a halt because they were attracting too much attention. They walked to the house of a secret Ustacha supporter Herentić.

The police had been informed that three assassins were in town, they decided to raid his house the next day. When the gendarmes finally rang Herentić's doorbell, he engaged them in a long conversation. One finally became impatient, past the Herentić, and entered the house. The bedroom door was shut tight; the gendarme ordered that it be opened. When no one moved to act, he broke down the door and found himself confronted by Oreb, Pogorelec and Begović. Oreb fired at the gendarme, who fell wounded to the floor. Ustashas ran into the street. Begovich and Pogorelets were caught within a few minutes, but Oreb, a very fast runner, was able to make good his getaway. He spotted a Gypsy encampment a short distance from the main road and walked toward it. He offered the leader of the gypsy tribe money for some old clothes. He also asked him to hide the bombs and guns he was still carrying on his person. The gypsy took his money, but informed of the whereabouts of Orebs quarry. Oreb was captured and taken to the Zagreb police station where he confessed under torments that Ante Pavelić had sent him to kill the 'king' Alexsander.

Pavelić asked Vlada to go to Sofia and kill Alexander. Vlada, for once, refused to go. A warrant had been issued for his arrest by the Bulgarian authorities. He had murdered important political figure and was on the most-wanted list. Vlada knew he would be recognized as soon as he stepped on Bulgarian soil, and executed immediately. His face was familiar to the police and to most of the citizens in the capital. Pavelich did not press the point; he realized that Vlada had good reason to fear falling into the hands of the authorities. Pavelić quartered safely in Turin, decided to wait for a more auspicious opportunity.

Preparations

When the Belgrade Government announced that the King was about to make a state visit to France, Pavelich knew that the right time had finally come. Vlada was told that he had been chosen to make the first attempt. Pavelich was determined that this attempt should not fail. There would be no more semi-trained assassins like Oreb on this job. The assignment would be directed by Vlada the Chauffeur. The destroyer Dubrovnik was taking Alexander and his entourage to Marseilles; the assassins would wait for him there. They could expect to be able to kill him within moments after he had stepped onto French soil. Nothing was to be left to chance. If the first try failed, there would be a second attempt in Fontainebleau. And if something went wrong there, a third would be staged in Paris. Should that fail, another try at Lausanne would surely succeed. Pavelich was almost certain that Alexander would never leave Marseilles alive. He had no doubts about Vlada. The murder had been well planned. Every contingency had been taken into account. The revolvers, of an excellent caliber, had been procured. The killers were in practice with the Mauser and Walther guns. Someone had told Vlada that a Mauser's action was as fast as that of a machine gun. Vlada laughed and said he would need only one bullet to kill the Alexsander. Kvaternik, went to Switzerland to exchange Italian lire for French and Swiss currency. It would not do for the assassins to be caught—if they were—with Italian money. That would tend to implicate Mussolini in the plot.

Kvaternik returned to Turin and received a last-minute briefing from Pavelić. On September 26, Marija Vudrašek, Pavelić's fiancé set out for Paris carrying the revolvers in her handbag. The bombs were hidden in a suitcase among her dresses. Pavelich went on the same train but sat in a seat by himself, acting the role of spotter. If Marija was picked up by the police, he would still be able to arrange for new weapons. He was not taking any chances now. On the following day, Kvaternik and Vlada the Chauffeur traveled to Switzerland by train. Vlada had a Hungarian passport identifying him as one Rudolph Suk. Kvaternik was now called Eugene Kramer. He carried two suitcases. Vlada bore no weapons, but Kvaternik had a revolver which he later left at the Lausanne railroad checkroom. If the King survived all the other attempts and lived to reach Lausanne, it was planned that Pavelich would pick up the weapon—his personal property—and do the deed himself.

Arriving in Zurich, Kvaternik and Vlada left their two suitcases in the terminal baggage room. They had to wait for one o'clock and the arrival of the Vienna Express with their comrades from Hungary. There was time for a short walk to the post office, where Kvaternik picked up a telegram from Budapest and a letter from Paris. Kvaternik held his newspaper upside down and pretended to read it, keeping it close to his face. The inner fold of the paper contained an inscription put there by Pavelić to serve as identification.Kvaternik greeted Pospišil, Kral, and Raich giving them the newspaper with Pavelich's inscription: “Execute without discussion whatever will be ordered by the bearer. —The Poglavnik.” Kvaternik reminded his men that they had new names. After he took his two suitcases out of the checkroom and bought five second-class tickets for Lausanne. He could have traveled to Paris by a more direct route, but it seemed safer to take the long way around to get to the capital. There was less likelihood of being picked up by the police if the group sought a train that was coming from Trieste to Lausanne. The French police were probably watching the trains on the Vienna-Paris route. When they arrived in Lausanne, Kvaternik had them board a bus that belonged to the Hotel des Palmiers, where they registered. Kvaternik was now able to breathe a little easier. His men had been brought safely into France, and the police were not shadowing them. Crossing Lake Geneva he had given them new passports from his never-ending supply. Vlada/Suk was now a Hungarian citizen. Pospishil's new name was Novak; Raich would be called Benes. Both of them were designated as Czech citizens. Kral's new appellation was Hossek. When they reached Paris, Kvaternik deposited Vlada and Raich at the luxurious Hotel Regina, located on the Rue Mazagran. He took Pospishil and Kral to another hotel near the Gare d'Orsay. Kvaternik spent the night at the Hotel Belle Vue, and registered next day at the Commodore. Maria Vudrasek and Pavelich (under the name Petar) registered at the HOtel St. Anne. They put up at the best hotels on the theory that the law usually looks for dangerous killers in shabby lodgings.

Kvaternik and Vlada went to lunch at a restaurant near the Place de l'Opéra, where Pavelić and Marija was waiting. Pavelić revealed that Raich and Pospishil were to stay on in Paris in reserve if Vlada fail. He also warned on the posibilitye of being guillotined, or a long sentence on 'Devil's Island' in the case they ended up captured.Pavelić was confident that his men would do a good job of work. He knew there were a number of French police agents in the pay of Mussolini, and that there was a rising French Fascist organization. He was even getting some assistance from these sources. Once the murder had been committed, they would help cover up for him.

A few days later, on October 6, Vlada, KraI, Pavelić, and Marija traveled by bus to Marseilles. They did not take a direct route into the city, but went first to Avignon, where they spent the night. Early the following morning they took another bus that was bound for their ultimate destination.Pavelich knew that the police were probably conducting a search for dangerous anarchists in Marseilles, so Kvaternik was told to rent some rooms at Aix-en-Provence. It was expected that the Ustacha would return there once the assassination had occurred. Pavelich bought a map of Marseilles and a local newspaper which gave the details of the King's route of travel through the metropolis. The facts in the newspaper corroborated the information he had received from his agents and from the Italians. He was quite content now. Everything was going according to plan.
Pavelić had promised Kvaternik's father that the young man would be kept out of the hands of the French police. He intended to keep that promise. He told the junior Kvaternik to expect to be ordered to leave France a day after the assassination. Kvaternik was pleased at the thought; his physical courage did not match his mental abilities, with Pavelić he was the major brain of the whole action.
Alexander was to travel by motorcade to place a wreath on a monument erected to honor the men who had been killed at Salonika during the Great War. He was to be attacked as his automobile was driven past the Bourse. The first attempt should be made from the eastern direction. French traffic regulations decreed that the car would be moving along the right side of the Cannebiere. The crowd would probably be standing on that side. Therefore Vlada could likely stay there without attracting any attention. Kral, armed with his bombs, would stand on the steps of the Bourse. From that vantage point he would be able to see what was going on in the street, and to throw a bomb into the crowd just as Vlada began shooting at the King. Pavelich and Marija Vudrašek planned to stay in the vicinity of the Vieux Port and observe whether the job had been executed. Once all was finished, the pair would go to a waiting ship and return to Italy.
The conspirators held a last-minute conference in Aix-en-Provence. Kvaternik, still in town, gave Vlada a pistol and some bombs. He was the one who suggested that Vlada should leap onto the running board of the car and shoot at the king. Kvaternik then left for Avignon, where he took a train for Switzerland. He arrived in Montreux the next day and picked up a letter he had mailed to himself, his alibi if the police picked him up.

In Aix, there were still more conversations at Pavelich's hotel. When Vlada and Kral were handed their weapons, Vlada put one of the guns in an inside pocket of his coat. The bombs and a revolver were hidden in a suitcase. Pavelich warned Vlada not to take an early morning bus to Marseilles, as the police would be watching for suspicious characters early in the day. An afternoon bus would take him to the city with plenty of time to spare. The 'king' was expected in town at four o'clock.

The Assasination

Vlada and Kral calmly took a one o'clock bus. They found Marseilles in a festive mood, with flags of France and Yugoslavia flying from many buildings. Because of the size of the Dubrovnik ship, the ship anchored in the bay and Alexander came ashore on a smaller boat, leaving most of his ninty-man bodyguard behind. Alexander had been on French soil less than five minutes when Vlada mounted the running board of Alexander's car and opened fire with a twenty round Mauser machine pistol, killing the King, French Foreign Minister Louis Barthou and two bystanders. Vlada Gheorghieff was struck down by Capt. Piolet, on horseback, moments after the assasination.

Long live Holy Coalition of Serbia, Greece, Romania and Bulgaria that would revive Eastern Roman Empire on the Balkans and spread its borders from Constantinople and the Black Sea to the Adriatic Coastline!

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Attachment: Ante Pavelić and Vanča Mihailov (leader of VMRO in Brescia, Italy, 1931.)

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