The Paedophile

[Ixtab]

For the paedophile, life stops at puberty. Thereafter, he is conscious, like Satan, of having been cast out of Heaven. The only thing the paedophile can do is to make a purgatory out of the hell he is living in, and plot to re-enter Heaven. Re-entering Heaven is, for him, having intercourse with a child; but he knows before taking his trousers off that the purpose of the endeavour is doomed: the purpose being, not to occupy the child, but to become the child. Paedophiles are like those damned in Dante's Inferno who have their heads on backwards, ever looking into the past, yet driven on by an impossible lust. As the author of Peter Pan expressed it: "Nothing much matters after the age of twelve." Adulthood is a Fallen state.

[Isabella]

You say that for the pedophile, life stops at puberty. Do you mean when puberty begins?

Also, could you tell me what you mean by the word 'child'?

[Ahknaton]

I guess what you describe is probably the case for Michael Jackson.

[HrodbertPalatinus]

There is nothing more pathologically and satanically narcissistic than pedophiles and similar sexual deviants... The only thing that exists to these people is their own twisted desires...nothing else touches them...vacant reptilian eyes, cold hearts...

http://samvak.tripod.com/pedophilia.html

[Isabella]

I guess what you describe is probably the case for Michael Jackson.Probably. But is it generally the case for greasy hairy old men who simply like fresh meat? I don't think so.

[Ixtab]

http://samvak.tripod.com/pedophilia.html
This is perhaps more true of paedophilic rapists than paedophiles in general. Rapists generally lack empathy for their victims and express no remorse for their actions. Moreover, it is difficult to make any generalisations about paedophiles, because most known paedophiles are found within the criminal population, which perhaps creates a distorted perception of reality. We could just as easily make generalisations about non-paedophilic heterosexuals by only collecting data on non-paedophilic heterosexual rapists, drawn from the criminal popualtion.

[Isabella]

There is nothing more pathologically and satanically narcissistic than pedophiles and similar sexual deviants... The only thing that exists to these people is their own twisted desires...nothing else touches them...vacant reptilian eyes, cold hearts...

http://samvak.tripod.com/pedophilia.htmlI thought you said you rejected modernism? In countless ancient societies it was normal to have wives, concubines and so on much younger than 18. Even today, the less modernist the society the more evident this often is. In Yemen for example it's legal for adult men to have sex with 9 year old wives. The link you gave is full of psychobabble -that is, from modern psychiatry- written by a Jew, Shmuel (Sam) Vaknin. I'm surprised you would use it!

http://samvak.tripod.com/cv.html

Yet even Shmuel admits that "In some cultures, societies and countries (Afghanistan, for instance) the age of consent is as low as 12. The marriageable age in Britain until the end of the nineteenth century was 10."

That men are attracted to young virgins was known to be normal by the ancients. Only in modern times have such normal desires been pathologized.

[Isabella]

This is perhaps more true of paedophilic rapists than paedophiles in general.What's your definition of 'pedophile'?

btw, do you honestly think it's unusual for men to be capable of rape? Say you take a sample of 1000 healthy men and give each the opportunity to have nonconsensual sex with any beautiful females they choose, at their convenience, with the sure knowledge that they will never get punished in any way. IMHO, one would have to be naive to think only a small number out of that 1000 would take advantage.

[HrodbertPalatinus]

Statistics, samples and surveys are irrelevant. Deviancy begins in the free will that misuses its freedom. Pedophilia, as in any other sexual pathology like homosexuality and incest, is intrinsically disordered.

To answer Isabella, what is modernism? Modernism is the nihilistic rejection of God and the God-given dignity of the human person.

As you say, in some traditional societies (Islamic, etc.), young women are sexually assimilated; but, in the ideal situation, this occurs within the boundaries of certain social and moral structures: they are publically and permanently incorporated into the theologically and morally instructed household of a responsible patriarch and certain legal protections exist, etc.; this strongly contrasts with the systematic pornographic abuse and targeting of helpless minors characterizing modern parasitical pedophiliacs.

Regardless, according to traditional Catholic teaching, since the coming of Christ, all the old all-too-human imperfections in the realm of sexual relations like concubinage, polygamy, etc., are abolished, and the only truly legitimate and fulfilling expression of sexuality belongs to the responsible adult monogamous couple...

[Ixtab]

What's your definition of 'pedophile'?An adult who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescents.

[Ambrosio Spinola]

This thread is disgusting!

[Ahknaton]

btw, do you honestly think it's unusual for men to be capable of rape? Say you take a sample of 1000 healthy men and give each the opportunity to have nonconsensual sex with any beautiful females they choose, at their convenience, with the sure knowledge that they will never get punished in any way. IMHO, one would have to be naive to think only a small number out of that 1000 would take advantage.
I don't think it's unusual at all. Look at what happens in wartime when "normal" men are put in that situation. Regardless, we shouldn't mistake "natural" or even "healthy" for morally acceptable.

There are plenty of natural impulses that can manifest in pathological ways if not restrained. Speaking for myself, I can say that the idea of sex with a prepubescent child (of either sex) disgusts me, so it's not an impulse that I have to work to control. That doesn't stop me from passing moral judgement on others who are afflicted with these urges and who fail to keep them in check. In the spirit of honesty, I will say that the idea of raping an adult woman isn't one that disgusts me at a physical level the way raping a child does, but I do find it morally abhorrent, therefore I am almost certain that I will never succumb to it, barring some sort of severe mental illness or some other drastic disordering of my normal mental state. Likewise with physical violence. I have the urge to be violent to people all the time, which I'm sure is "perfectly natural and healthy" but I don't follow through on it.

[Ixtab]

Statistics, samples and surveys are irrelevant.Deviancy begins in the free will that misuses its freedom.Clearly, we are operating under fundamentally different philosophical assumptions, which I don't think can be easily settled in this thread.

[Roland]

"It is quite difficult to lay down barriers [particularly since] it
could be that the child, with his own sexuality, may have desired the
adult."
- Michel Foucault

[Ambrosio Spinola]

What sort of nonsense is this? So, since the teen "desired" it the adult could not refrain. :rolleyes:

[Roland]

Foucault drew a lot of flak for comments like that.

He maintained that it is precisely because we do not take into account that children have sexual desire, that they are victimized:

"Michel Foucault asserted that taboo to do with children generally started in the nineteenth century, with the classification and labelling of sexually deviancy. The Victorian Age, which is remembered as the age of sexual repression, was actually the age of sexual obsession. What Foucault calls an explosion of discourses on sex was dedicated to and focused on knowledge and categorisation, not pleasure. The 'scientific' examination of how people can be cured of aberrant sexual behaviours or departures from 'normal' reproductive sex commenced and continues to this day. At this time the dangerous idea that children had no sexuality developed. The fact that children were kept ignorant and were forbidden any utterance to do with sex left them vulnerable to abuse from adults, a travesty that continued until recently. "

http://www.api-network.com/cgi-bin/reviews/jrbview.cgi?n=050023809X&issue=22

[Ixtab]

"It is quite difficult to lay down barriers [particularly since] it
could be that the child, with his own sexuality, may have desired the
adult."
- Michel FoucaultChildren are not asexual, true; their sexuality is just of a different nature from the adult's. The infant enjoys his entire body with all its erogenous zones, how they feel and what they can do, and does not single out one in particular for especial attention. Whereas the child dances for joy, his whole body, mind and soul involved in the dance, the adult repetitively, boringly 'fucks' (or masturbates), his pleasure being limited to his genitals.

Life after puberty is derailed by the adult-sexuality, by this obsessive, monotonous, boring concentration on the activity, and its associated repetitive states of mind.

It is the difference between the adult-sexuality and the child-sexuality that paedophilia can very easily lead to sexual abuse.

[Roland]

Well said.

Would you say the adult obsession with the penetrative act as the primary goal of pleasure-seeking is genetic, or historically contingent?

[Janus]

Do you have any experience with pedofilia, Ixabert?

[Petyr Baelish]

Do you have any experience with pedofilia, Ixabert?

Ixabert keeps a 9-year-old boy chained in his basement.

[Janus]

Ixabert keeps a 9-year-old boy chained in his basement.I see. :p

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[daisy]

the paedophiles
think their dads never loved them
and they always wish that
their victims would love them
= like their dads never did
and when they realize
= look and see that
their victims do not love them either
then they kill their victims
(like they want to kill their dads)
paedophiles are taking their anger for their dad
out on their victims

= since only their moms loved them
they always wanted to kill their dads
especially if their dads abused their moms
paedophiles = rivalries of and haters of their dads
____

[Forza Azzurri]

FALSE. my dad never loved me nor cared for me, and I'm not a paedophile :)