Porno

[Vindex]

Working and dealing with people many who have addictions I have noticed a common addiction they all have in common and many other males do is addiction to porno. It is interesting given the amount of people I have known who are addicted to porno, that it is not treated in the same way gambling addictions are. I watched people spend up to thousands of dollars on it and see how it can warp their perceptions of women and normal healthy sexual life. Not to mention the constant drain of energy they put themselves thought by constant sexual release because they are in over drive. It can and does control peoples lives.

How to deal with this? I see all addicted people in mordern society as a natural cause of a society that never trains the will and is operating of a lower watt existance and always lives for instant everything. Weak wills cause addictions to cheap thrills, another is diet I have experienced personally that a change of diet towards a vegan/pure organic diet can very quickly bring the sex drive back into balance but that also requires will. Meditation is important as it trains the mind and makes strong the will, also certain meditations along with hatha yoga strenghten the aura body many addictions are caused by weak aura bodies, and low energy it is amazing how just opening the crown can cure many problems.

Also once the will has been made strong and the person is in control of themselves fully. Methods of harnessing the power of climax so that it is not lost, hence no drain of power, but taken back into the body as supercharged energy that can be programmed towards what the person wants and how it can be used to strengthen the mind and raise the kundalini can be taught. But frist the mind and will must be strong and pure.


Just wanting to ban all porno, booze, general drugs.etc Is reactionary because the problem in the greater picture is weak people. I can put a living Siddha/Overman so to say in a room full of everything most people are addicted too, from booze to t.v. and he will not be moved by it and be fine. Where a mundane person will go nuts. A Nation full of ascended people will not have any problems with such issues with addictions and the problems of today society. No undermen=no problems.

[Billy Score]

I agree with you, the problem lies in the heart of men today, these externals are nothing but symptoms of a greater disease. However banning pornography and such is at least a start. We can't change mens' souls.

[Vindex]

The human can be evolved by science of alchemy as it does change man in the mind, body and spirit and transforms him into the higher man or Overman. In my view the fallen temple of humanity can be rebuilt.

Banning porn will end up the same as when they tried to ban booze.

I agree with you, the problem lies in the heart of men today, these externals are nothing but symptoms of a greater disease. However banning pornography and such is at least a start. We can't change mens' souls.

[eggheadbanga]

Heheheheheh. :rofl:

[Björn]

The thing with any addiction is avoidance of something. Like not confronting one's own pain. Pornography has almost a castrating effect of a man's drive as it lessons his desire to find a suitable mate for instance but makes it so he is never truly satisfied and must have more stimulation.

[Starr]

Weak wills cause addictions to cheap thrills

This is the perfect catch phrase to sum up a lot of what you were saying. What i see as a major part of the problem is that people are encouraged to give into vice, they are told in countless ways that it is ok and even good. Everything is about fun and living for the moment. Lots of people have weaknesses, some have many, but a better society would encourage them away from giving into certain behaviors, which is exactly the opposite of the kind of society we live in now.

The problem is that society promotes and encourages the worst behaviors that potentially already exist in many of us, behaviors that we should instead be encouraged to keep in check.

[Thomas777]

I take exception to the notion that things such as porn, gambling, etc. are "addictive". An addiction is a chemical dependency...nobody can become chemically dependant upon "White Chicks, Black Sticks" DVDs.

People who watch a lot of porn in my experience are either oversexed, avant-garde types who think that they are defying convention by doing so, or people of low social intelligence with crude ideas about sex.

I don't have a problem with porno if we are simply talking about depictions of people engaged in the sexual act that is filmed and presented with an eye towards creative eroticism. Unfortunately, most of the genuinely hardcore porn I have seen is really raunchy, debased, sort of disturbing stuff. Its like WWF wrestling meets the freak-show geek pit. I think people who really obsess over that sort of entertainment had big problems before they began viewing porn...the porn "addiction" is just a symptom.

[Kodos]

Everything you like is potentially addictive, it will release dopamine...

Just wanting to ban all porno, booze, general drugs.etc Is reactionary

Except outside of Islamic countries vice laws are mostly a modern thing... just like with every other law that stupidly restricts your freedom and tries to control you while hemmoraging vast taxpayer money the communist and progeessives are to thank.

[Thomas777]

Everything you like is potentially addictive, it will release dopamine...


The release of dopamine does not axiomatically equate to a chemical dependency.

If I abuse Nubain, oxycotin, or heroin, I will get violently sick if I stop using it...my biochemistry will essentially collapse upon itself, and I might die if I go cold turkey.

If I watch "Chicks With Dicks" videos everyday and then I suddenly stop, I don't think the same thing will happen.

[WAM]

This is the perfect catch phrase to sum up a lot of what you were saying. What i see as a major part of the problem is that people are encouraged to give into vice, they are told in countless ways that it is ok and even good. Everything is about fun and living for the moment. Lots of people have weaknesses, some have many, but a better society would encourage them away from giving into certain behaviors, which is exactly the opposite of the kind of society we live in now.

The problem is that society promotes and encourages the worst behaviors that potentially already exist in many of us, behaviors that we should instead be encouraged to keep in check.



Anyone here ever read "Libido Dominandi" by E. Michael Jones? It is written from a catholic perspective, but is quite perceptive and spot-on in its analysis.
Jones understands what Aldous Huxley understood so well...that when a society begins to descend into tyranny and the people begin to lose their real freedoms and rights,a substitute faux-freedom is offered them as compensation:an almost infinite expansion of sexual license.

Throughout the Western world we've been slowly losing our real liberties for the better part of a century. Our governments have become more and more centralized and bureaucratized to where every jot and tittle of our existence is now regulated to the max, corporate entities and Bolshevik-hijacked institutions further dictate and control us and slowly snuff out independence and initiative.

We're well on the way to becoming like Chinese serfs who live under the suffocating hand of a Mandarin overclass.

Our 'relief' from this centralization,bureaucratization, and quasi serfdom is a greater allowance to indulge our base instincts,supported by the basest entertainment.

Our worst instincts are permitted,applauded and encouraged now because the overclass realizes they have to allow us some release, a controlled boil-over if you will. This is how you know you are living under tyranny, as societies that aren't encourage self-restraint,fidelity, and discourage us from indulging our basest instincts.

[Zrinski]

Well we live in a materialistic society. That is acutally the real core of this problem. Our whole society is based on the physical and how you can physically please yourself.....from indulging yourself with food to sex.

This of course manfiest's itself also on how we also view our sex life and ultimately our general views on sexuality.

You can find that this (materialism) is actually the real source of all problems in our society and in the world today. The spiritual is almost totally disregarded and this view has distorted us as a specie that we even view our spirituality as something physhical. For example our view of God is ridiculously matrialistic and we observe God as some kind of person with human traits.

In the end materialistic perspective on the world and person's life promotes this indulgence and degeneration of which porn is just a small part of.

[Helios Panoptes]

Thomas777 is right that pornography addicts are afflicted with premorbid dysfunctions. The same can be said for those who are addicted to drugs. By and large, these were not healthy people to begin with.

[Dances with Wolves]

My take is we started lining up porn producers agains the wall, we would see a reduction in no time. Of course, this would be shrieked at as being "anti-semitic :D

[brigadier Biggles]

This thread reminds me of that masturbation thread with Julian Lee, surprised that hasnt been "brought up" actually :D:rofl: .

[Dances with Wolves]

Isn't that what it's all about in the first place? :confused:

[Starr]

This thread reminds me of that masturbation thread with Julian Lee, surprised that hasnt been "brought up" actually :D:rofl: .


I was thinking that, but I just didn't feel a need to bring it up.:p

[brigadier Biggles]

if you're telling me stone age man didn't have a good yank now and again then thats bullshit other primates do masturbation as well.

as for pornography consenting adults filiming their sex acts who cares ?, noone forces anybody to watch it.

[Dances with Wolves]

No one said they were forced to watch but you brought up the masturbation angle and that's exactly what porn is for, and thus not protected under "free speech" laws as the left so claims and can therefore be strictly controlled or banned. This was understood by people back when they knew what free speech was all about.

[Isra'il Yahya]

How to deal with this? I see all addicted people in mordern society as a natural cause of a society that never trains the will and is operating of a lower watt existance and always lives for instant everything. Weak wills cause addictions to cheap thrills, another is diet I have experienced personally that a change of diet towards a vegan/pure organic diet can very quickly bring the sex drive back into balance but that also requires will. Meditation is important as it trains the mind and makes strong the will, also certain meditations along with hatha yoga strenghten the aura body many addictions are caused by weak aura bodies, and low energy it is amazing how just opening the crown can cure many problems.

One thing I agree with you is on this topic. I've noticed that when I was a Vegan or a Vegetarian that I was not as succeptible to "lust" and I felt what could be termed love towards another person. A spiritual connection. When I consume of a dish with meat not too long ago, not only was I violently ill but I had noticed that instantly some of my lower instincts had more power over me. I agree that meditation is important but there are those who can never be masters of their selves nor truly attain a superior state of being. Vegertarianism is awesome!


Also once the will has been made strong and the person is in control of themselves fully. Methods of harnessing the power of climax so that it is not lost, hence no drain of power, but taken back into the body as supercharged energy that can be programmed towards what the person wants and how it can be used to strengthen the mind and raise the kundalini can be taught. But frist the mind and will must be strong and pure.

That will be found among the few and worthy.

[Billy Score]

The human can be evolved by science of alchemy as it does change man in the mind, body and spirit and transforms him into the higher man or Overman. In my view the fallen temple of humanity can be rebuilt.

Banning porn will end up the same as when they tried to ban booze.
Booze can and should be banned, it is a very low form of entertainment. at best it should be kept to the lowest people and away from the best. Let the sorry fools drown away their miseries with it, but the higher ups need sharp minds and undebased souls. Had the US government made a real effort, booze would have disappeared almost entirely from the streets, but speakeasies operated almost openly and serviced the very policemen who were supposed to be fighting them.

[Starr]

Are the better quality people going to become alcoholics just because they have access to alcohol or are they going to be much more likely to be able to drink it sensibly and in moderation? It is, in fact, the other people you need to worry about, because their issues do effect the larger society in a lot of possibly ways. There is no need to ban these things

[Hartmann von Aue]

With the technology existing today, a ban seems like it would be futile.

However, the copyright protection should be removed.

It's ridiculous that society has rewarded notorious pornographers with vast fortunes.

The money in pornography has led many young women prostitute themselves in front of the world.

[Vindex]

I would like to see a society where people just don't want to drink and health is a national way of life. In my opinion just banning it is not enough it is better to create a way of thinking and feeling where people choose not to drink, and those who do are looked down upon as a harm to themselves and others. But first the big business that make millions from alcohol need to be delt with. I do not see a healthy holistic solution to the current illness that pollutes society coming from within the frame of the current capitalist system. As the current system is responsible for creating it.

Booze can and should be banned, it is a very low form of entertainment. at best it should be kept to the lowest people and away from the best. Let the sorry fools drown away their miseries with it, but the higher ups need sharp minds and undebased souls. Had the US government made a real effort, booze would have disappeared almost entirely from the streets, but speakeasies operated almost openly and serviced the very policemen who were supposed to be fighting them.

[Helios Panoptes]

Dr. Antichrist, it is not realistic to think that there will be a society in which people do not want to drink or become intoxicated in other ways. Even children want to dabble in altering their consciousness by, for instance, making themselves dizzy. People want to feel differently than they normally do. The idea that the desire to feel intoxicated will go away is self-delusion.

[Zrinski]

Why would one prohibit drinking? There is nothing wrong with a nice glass of wine after a good meal or a nice cold beer in the summer. It's how you use it that it matters. This rule can be applied to the matter at hand as well. ;)

[Hartmann von Aue]

I agree.

Beer, wine, and even spirits are a source of nourishment.

Here's what SSPX says:

. . . the moderate consumption of alcohol, without any excess or drunkenness, is not a sin at all. The consumption of alcohol to excess, such that one becomes tipsy and loses some physical self-control, but not the use of reason, is but a venial sin. The knowing and willing consumption of alcohol to such an extent as to remove the use of reason is a mortal sin.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

Pornography is healthy in small, regulated doses. When I was younger, I used to spend up to 5 hours looking at porn online(a common amount from what I have seen from others), now I am down to 1/2 hour per day.

[tempus fugit]

Over my adult life, I have adopted an increasingly ascetic philosophy.

I abstain from TV, alcohol, drugs, modern movies, smoking, gambling, video games. I do not follow fashion. I do not own a coat, and typically underdress in the winter.

However, I do this despite a strong urge for many things. It's this control of self that actually contains the virtue. Simply not smoking is no virtue for me; I've never put a cigarette to my mouth in my life.

I'm also loaded with bad habits or addictions. I eat terribly, watch too much porn, etc. Lots of work to do.

[Dr. Gutberlet]

This seems like a great book on the subject:

http://wndbookservice.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=c6663#continue

[The Retard]

I don't have a problem with porno if we are simply talking about depictions of people engaged in the sexual act that is filmed and presented with an eye towards creative eroticism. Unfortunately, most of the genuinely hardcore porn I have seen is really raunchy, debased, sort of disturbing stuff. Its like WWF wrestling meets the freak-show geek pit. I think people who really obsess over that sort of entertainment had big problems before they began viewing porn...the porn "addiction" is just a symptom.

Some countries, Asian countries, have porn where the male appendage is blocked out, it's actually quite funny.

[///M power]

any male saying he doesn't ever "use" porn, or ever watch porn, is a liar.
there is nothing wrong about watching "normal" porn. without the sickening gay/animal/pedophile movies.
there is nothing wrong in just watching normal sex.
not all of us males have always girlfriends, so whats better? going to a whore? I dont think so.
I would never go to a prostitute! so I dont think people who watch porn instead of going to a prostitute are somehow "sick" or that there is something wrong with them.
if they dont have a sex drive... now that not normal!

[Kodos]

Pornography is healthy in small, regulated doses. When I was younger, I used to spend up to 5 hours looking at porn online(a common amount from what I have seen from others), now I am down to 1/2 hour per day.

Im way down too... you are just super horny in high school... and if you aren't getting laid.

[brigadier Biggles]

same here, used to look at p0rn for hours in my early teens out of curiosity mostly i suppose but in the last few years its been about 1/2 hour every few days excluding looking at women :D.

Maybe being exposed to something unrestricted early in life makes you tire of it later on.

[Dodge Viper]

Working and dealing with people many who have addictions I have noticed a common addiction they all have in common and many other males do is addiction to porno. It is interesting given the amount of people I have known who are addicted to porno, that it is not treated in the same way gambling addictions are. I watched people spend up to thousands of dollars on it and see how it can warp their perceptions of women and normal healthy sexual life. Not to mention the constant drain of energy they put themselves thought by constant sexual release because they are in over drive. It can and does control peoples lives.

How to deal with this? I see all addicted people in mordern society as a natural cause of a society that never trains the will and is operating of a lower watt existance and always lives for instant everything. Weak wills cause addictions to cheap thrills, another is diet I have experienced personally that a change of diet towards a vegan/pure organic diet can very quickly bring the sex drive back into balance but that also requires will. Meditation is important as it trains the mind and makes strong the will, also certain meditations along with hatha yoga strenghten the aura body many addictions are caused by weak aura bodies, and low energy it is amazing how just opening the crown can cure many problems.

Also once the will has been made strong and the person is in control of themselves fully. Methods of harnessing the power of climax so that it is not lost, hence no drain of power, but taken back into the body as supercharged energy that can be programmed towards what the person wants and how it can be used to strengthen the mind and raise the kundalini can be taught. But frist the mind and will must be strong and pure.


Just wanting to ban all porno, booze, general drugs.etc Is reactionary because the problem in the greater picture is weak people. I can put a living Siddha/Overman so to say in a room full of everything most people are addicted too, from booze to t.v. and he will not be moved by it and be fine. Where a mundane person will go nuts. A Nation full of ascended people will not have any problems with such issues with addictions and the problems of today society. No undermen=no problems.

What are your overall views on Chastity and the male sex-energy? You sound like you are in support of a more balanced, restrained view to the orgasm experience.
You mention Kundalini, but I am unsure of what you meant when mentioning it.

[Vindex]

My views on chastity are it has a place in the strengthening of the will, but it is not a healthy life long practice and is being carried on by a guru telephone game then anything. Sexual energy that is spent can be redirected in the body at climax and also retaken in, so it is not lost at all but used to empower the person. The kundalini is sexual in nature and sexual climax can be used to raise and harness it. As sexual alchemy/Trantra does.

What are your overall views on Chastity and the male sex-energy? You sound like you are in support of a more balanced, restrained view to the orgasm experience.
You mention Kundalini, but I am unsure of what you meant when mentioning it.