The colour of Christ

[MrAngry]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3958241.stm


As a child I was brought up as a Catholic, even attending a Catholic school. I have wondered, if Jesus was real, which race would he be from? This link is pretty inconclusive other than it strongly suggests that he would have had short hair and dark skin.

If this is the case, then the Christian racists would be worshipping what they hate, and this could be the reason why some racists revert back to pagan rituals.

[Ace Rimmer]

Jesus was 2m tall Aryan Nordic German.

[MrAngry]

Jesus was 2m tall Aryan Nordic German.


Really! I thought as much. :rofl:

[Arminius]

I think Christ is no less human than anyone else and his genetics would be that of his parents and ancestors, that being heavily semitic and from the line of David. The European paintings that depict Jesus as a northern European are meant for Europeans really. It is easy for Jesus to appeal to a population if he looks like the people of that population. Those people in the dark ages werent well educated or well traveled.

Btw, this is assuming he is real and that the Bible is a true account of his genetics.

[MrAngry]

I think Christ is no less human than anyone else and his genetics would be that of his parents and ancestors, that being heavily semitic and from the line of David. The European paintings that depict Jesus as a northern European are meant for Europeans really. It is easy for a Jesus to appeal to a population if he looks like the people of that population. Those people in the dark ages werent well educated or well traveled.


I think you're right, for the church to appeal to its converts it needed to covey him in a manner that wes acceptable to them. If they had portrayed him as Jew, or black Christianity would have fallen on its backside.

[Starr]

I think you're right, for the church to appeal to its converts it needed to covey him in a manner that wes acceptable to them. If they had portrayed him as Jew, or black Christianity would have fallen on its backside.


He is said to be black by some people for similar reasons that are in the post you are agreeing with in regards to whites. And also just because blacks have an inferiority complex and are always looking to claim someone whom they consider to be "great" or some civilization to be their own. But no, of course he was not white, either.

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

Christ would have a mediterranian look to him I believe...he certainly wasn't "nordic" that's for sure.

[Dances with Wolves]

Christ was from the line of Adam. Adam was white, though he was not an Aryan. Look up the word Adam in your strongs concordance and tell me what you find. You do have a concordance, right? I mean, if your going to make foolish statements about a founder of a religion, you should be able to back them up?

[kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman]

I say
Christ would have a mediterranian look to him I believe...he certainly wasn't "nordic" that's for sure.


then he says
Adam was white, though he was not an Aryan.
and then
I mean, if your going to make foolish statements about a founder of a religion, you should be able to back them up?

Ignorning the fact that nothing I said contradicted what he said. :duh:

[Hachiko]

Jesus H. Christ was a shade over 6' tall, a shade under 400 lbs., of slightly olive complexion, with a bitchin goatee (flavor saver) and a backwards Kangol.

[Lily]

Jesus H. Christ was a shade over 6' tall, a shade under 400 lbs., of slightly olive complexion, with a bitchin goatee (flavor saver) and a backwards Kangol.
Don't forget the baggy jeans and white car :D

[Hachiko]

Don't forget the baggy jeans and white car :D
Ummmm....that was a minivan.

[MrAngry]

Ummmm....that was a minivan.


Thought it was a 42 tonner

[Hachiko]

Thought it was a 42 tonner
No....the 42 tonner was me. :D

[MrAngry]

No....the 42 tonner was me. :D


You been working out then! :p

[MrAngry]

http://tribu.bitacoras.com/img/buddy_christ.jpg


Helmut christ

[Ace Rimmer]

Shroud of Turin - 3D reconstruction (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=182409#post182409)

[Hachiko]

If Jesus was indeed the Son of God, then he must have been White.
God's son would not be of a lesser race.
Oh, and Mary Magdeline was Japanese, BTW. :D

[The Retard]

Shroud of Turin - 3D reconstruction (http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?p=182409#post182409)

Jesus did not have straight hair. He had a jewfro!

[Dances with Wolves]

I say


then he says

and then


Ignorning the fact that nothing I said contradicted what he said. :duh:

I was directing my post to MrAngry.

[MrAngry]

Christ was from the line of Adam. Adam was white, though he was not an Aryan. Look up the word Adam in your strongs concordance and tell me what you find. You do have a concordance, right? I mean, if your going to make foolish statements about a founder of a religion, you should be able to back them up?


Adam,, hmmmm, a North African/Jewish/Arabic name, the bible isnt literal, get a grip.

"If" Christ, and its a huge if, then he would probably have been swarthy at best, Adam and Eve was a bloody fairy tale.

[Dances with Wolves]

Then Christ would be a fairy tale, and your question would be mute. In fairy tales, anyone can be anything. In that regard, Christ was a blue-eyed, blond nordic superman. :D

[MrAngry]

Then Christ would be a fairy tale, and your question would be mute. In fairy tales, anyone can be anything. In that regard, Christ was a blue-eyed, blond nordic superman. :D


Well Christ being a fairy tale is exactly what I do believe. :) But like Starrs point, she believes the the blacks will grab him as a symbol of achievement because they dont have many.

I think that perhaps that when the Europeans where colonising the world they used him as an example of white supremacy ironically.

[The Retard]

I think that perhaps that when the Europeans where colonising the world they used him as an example of white supremacy ironically.

Europeans colonized the world for wealth and freedom. They didn't need no white Jesus for that. Europeans were far more advanced at the time than the native indians. :D

[Dances with Wolves]

Well, we know the great "civilization" builders in America welcomed the Euros as the returning white gods, so maybe baby jesus was white, after all ;)

[Elysium]

Jesus had a weird smell around him, something close to onions. And some girls back then told he has a nice butt.

[LastResort56]

You're all wrong!! Jesus was black!

http://ourhomeplanet.net/oekaki/aki/305.png

http://www.godonthe.net/wasblack.htm

[Fade the Butcher]

Is there any conclusive evidence that Jesus ever existed in the first place?

[Dances with Wolves]

Is there any conclusive evidence that Jesus ever existed in the first place?

Just gotta have faith, Fade!

[Kriger]

Is there any conclusive evidence that Jesus ever existed in the first place?

Flavius Josephus mentions him in his Antiquities of the Jews, and I think Tacitus mentioned someone who is considered to be him.

On a whole, though, it is those historical muddy waters. There could have been a real Jesus, or it could have been an amalgamation of various other actual persons.

At any rate, if there was a historical Jesus, he would have looked like the people who inhabited the area at the time. Certainly if his looks were so radically different from everyone else, this would have been a characteristic that distinguished him in a description. i.e. The White man among the Jews. Or The Black man among the Jews.

Just my opinion.

[PAXRAHOWA]

'Christ' is a Middle Eastern myth.

[Arminius]

Flavius Josephus mentions him in his Antiquities of the Jews, and I think Tacitus mentioned someone who is considered to be him.

Tacitus was mostly recounting the myth as to the origin of the christians during a discription of some of Nero's tortures. His source wasn't even that good because he claimed Pilate was a procurator, when he was supposedly a prefect.

I am curious as the to validity of it too, but in the end if he was a real person it still doesn't prove he was the son of God.

This is interesting, a list of people who claimed to be messiah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants

[Geist]

I have always imagined Jesus having a middle Eastern Jewish look. This seems to make sense from reading the New Testament. It always irked me that we insist on giving Jesus blue eyes, and white-as-lily skin. More to the point it isn't the most important thing on the list of what matters about Jesus. He seems to me to be largely symbolic - although I am sure he existed in some way as a kind of teacher or wise-man rather than son of God.

[Aryan Imperium]

Jesus was 2m tall Aryan Nordic German.

Where is your evidence that he is 2m tall and an `Aryan Nordic German`?

[Aryan Imperium]

I think Christ is no less human than anyone else and his genetics would be that of his parents and ancestors, that being heavily semitic and from the line of David. The European paintings that depict Jesus as a northern European are meant for Europeans really. It is easy for Jesus to appeal to a population if he looks like the people of that population. Those people in the dark ages werent well educated or well traveled.

Btw, this is assuming he is real and that the Bible is a true account of his genetics.

christ was portrayed that way from the Middle Ages onwards, rather than the Dark Ages or the early medieval period. Indeed he has been protrayed as a Nordic right in to the 20th century.

[Petyr Baelish]

Flavius Josephus mentions him in his [I]Antiquities of the Jews[.]


That passage is almost universally regarded as a later, Christian interpolation.

[Aryan Imperium]

Christ was from the line of Adam. Adam was white, though he was not an Aryan. Look up the word Adam in your strongs concordance and tell me what you find. You do have a concordance, right?
I mean, if your going to make foolish statements about a founder of a religion, you should be able to back them up?

My friend I never had you for the religious type!:D
Adam was not an historical character but a mythological construct.
Nothing particularly racial should necessarily be inferred from his name.

http://www.abarim-publications.com/Arie/Names/Adam.html
Adam (Gen 1:26)
Traditionally the first human male, but that tradition is presently under attack. See• Eve or• The Chaotic Set Theory
Adam is one of five words that indicate a man (words like dude, guy etc). This particular word indicates man as a being created from material; a dustling, or earthling. Adam is the masculine derivation of the root ('dm 25 and 26). The feminine derivation (adamah 25b) indicates the ruddy earth found in the Middle East and means acre, ground, land. (adom, adem 26a, b) indicate the typical red color of that earth. Hence the name (Edom; the nickname of Esau), also meaning red, ruddy.
NOBSE reads Red Earth.


As racialists we should be wary of any religion that seeks to explain a single creation of humankind or that posits the theory that all the human races have a common ancestry.
All races and peoples have their own origin myths and this is not one of ours.

[Felix the Cat]

How common was the name "Jesus" among Jews of the time?

[Aryan Imperium]

Flavius Josephus mentions him in his Antiquities of the Jews, and I think Tacitus mentioned someone who is considered to be him.

On a whole, though, it is those historical muddy waters. There could have been a real Jesus, or it could have been an amalgamation of various other actual persons.

At any rate, if there was a historical Jesus, he would have looked like the people who inhabited the area at the time. Certainly if his looks were so radically different from everyone else, this would have been a characteristic that distinguished him in a description. i.e. The White man among the Jews. Or The Black man among the Jews.

Just my opinion.


There simply is no evidence that jesus ever existed as an historical reality.
The following site http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm
has this to say about Josephus:

Josephus Flavius, the Jewish historian, lived as the earliest non-Christian who mentions a Jesus. Although many scholars think that Josephus' short accounts of Jesus (in Antiquities) came from interpolations perpetrated by a later Church father (most likely, Eusebius), Josephus' birth in 37 C.E., well after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus, puts him out of range of an eyewitness account. Moreover, he wrote Antiquities in 93 C.E., after the first gospels got written! Therefore, even if his accounts about Jesus came from his hand, his information could only serve as hearsay.

And Tacitus:

Tacitus, the Roman historian's birth year at 64 C.E., puts him well after the alleged life of Jesus. He gives a brief mention of a "Christus" in his Annals (Book XV, Sec. 44), which got written around 109 C.E. He gives no source for his material. Although many have disputed the authenticity of Tacitus' mention of Jesus, the very fact that his birth happened after the alleged Jesus and wrote the Annals during the formation of Christianity, shows that his writing can only provide us with hearsay accounts.

[Aryan Imperium]

How common was the name "Jesus" among Jews of the time?

His literal name was allegedly Yeshua.
http://www.godsclay.com/yeshua.htm
`jesus` did not exist as a name back then but I understand every 2nd Mexican is now named after him!:)

[MrAngry]

His literal name was allegedly Yeshua.
http://www.godsclay.com/yeshua.htm
`jesus` did not exist as a name back then but I understand every 2nd Mexican is now named after him!:)


Angel is actually one of the most popular Mexican names. Jesus is actually at number 7. I understand that every other rampant Aryan racists name is Adolf Helmut Hateunschwärzer, :rofl:

1. Angel
2. Daniel
3. Anthony
4. Jacob
5. Jose
6. Michael
7. Jesus
8. Luis
9. Joshua
10. Gabriel

[Hachiko]

`jesus` did not exist as a name back then but I understand every 2nd Mexican is now named after him!:)
Yeah, cause at the U.S. hospitals the mothers always scream "Jesus! It is true! The government does pay for all of this!!!"

[Hachiko]

Angel is actually one of the most popular Mexican names. Jesus is actually at number 7. I understand that every other rampant Aryan racists name is Adolf Helmut Hateunschwärzer, :rofl:

1. Angel
2. Daniel
3. Anthony
4. Jacob
5. Jose
6. Michael
7. Jesus
8. Luis
9. Joshua
10. Gabriel
I take great offense to this...:mad:

[MrAngry]

I take great offense to this...:mad:


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I didn't notice! So.......... I understand the border is nice in the wee hours of the night... *cough cough*

[Hachiko]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I didn't notice! So.......... I understand the border is nice in the wee hours of the night... *cough cough*
I've mentioned this before; I told my wife next year we are vacationing in Mexico, then we will drop our wallets and run home.
Forget paying $800 a month for a 1-bedroom hole in the wall and $350 for medical.
It'll be Section 8 and Medicaid all the way!
Diapers at $16.99 a mega-pack? Fuhgeddaboutit! WIC and Welfare thanks much!
Steak not on sale this week? No worries, the Food Stamp card doesn't discriminate!

[MrAngry]

I've mentioned this before; I told my wife next year we are vacationing in Mexico, then we will drop our wallets and run home.
Forget paying $800 a month for a 1-bedroom hole in the wall and $350 for medical.
It'll be Section 8 and Medicaid all the way!
Diapers at $16.99 a mega-pack? Fuhgeddaboutit! WIC and Welfare thanks much!
Steak not on sale this week? No worries, the Food Stamp card doesn't discriminate!


Suweeet! See you in Tijuana! You get a six pack and I'll get the chips!

[Hachiko]

Suweeet! See you in Tijuana! You get a six pack and I'll get the chips!
You would leave the Queen and her corgis behind??? :nono:
You would trade the UK's beloved Paki's and Somali's for our Wetbacks and Homegrown Project Niggaz?
I'm disappointed in you Mr.A. :(

[MrAngry]

You would leave the Queen and her corgis behind??? :nono:
You would trade the UK's beloved Paki's and Somali's for our Wetbacks and Homegrown Project Niggaz?
I'm disappointed in you Mr.A. :(


Damn, you make such a compelling case for me to stay in Blighty. I'll still send the chips though, and hey for putting me straight, I'll throw in some dip! :)

[Dr. Gutberlet]

Jesus looks Max von Sydow

http://www.musicfromthemovies.com/contentImages/reviews/greatest_story_ever_told.jpg

Which means that he also looks like King Ozric:

http://www.aventia.org/images/announce/osric1.jpg

[Boleslaw]

Is there any conclusive evidence that Jesus ever existed in the first place?
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/chap5.html

[Boleslaw]

Anyways.....I believe Jesus was white, but certainly not Nordic in appearance. He was probably more Medish in appearance.

The current fad of trying to protray Jesus as black is laughable at best. There were hardly any Blacks in First Century Palestine. Outside of the context of having a Black Jesus to appeal to Black Christians, the concept is absurd.

Although as I once said before, those who bitch about a white Jesus on grounds of historical inaccuracy dont seem to mind when Jesus is protrayed as a Confucius-like figure among Asian Christians, among other things. :rolleyes:

[Arminius]

I understand that every other rampant Aryan racists name is Adolf Helmut Hateunschwärzer

Better to be named 'Noble Wolf' in the old high german tounge, than to have a semitic name of an effeminate leader. In fact, I had a paternal great-great-grandfather with the name of Adolf. It's a great name. Besides, it's better for germans to have german names, danish to have danish names, etc.

http://asatru.de/nordzeit/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=302&Itemid=12

[Micaelis]

How ironic!, a thread asking about Christ's color in a color blind forum??

[Steppenwolf]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40460000/jpg/_40460295_jesus203.jpg

I doubt a Nazarene of this sort would have attracted many followers. I guess he was a brown Semite, but more handsome than this.

[Captain Aceman Superstar]

Yeshua, commonly and wrongly known as Jesus, was Aryan, blond hair blue eyes tall and slim.

[HrodbertPalatinus]

Portraying Jesus as even remotely Negroid is absolutely retarded and blasphemous:

Amos 9: 7, "Are you not like the Kushites to me, O Israelites?"

"Israel, says the prophet, is no more to me than the far distant, uncivilized, and despised black race of the Ethiopians. Their color and the fact that slaves were so often drawn from them added to the grounds for despising them." R. Harper, ICC: Amos and Hosea (Edinburgh, 1905)

"The Kushites, or Ethiopians, are mentioned as a distant people, far removed from the grace and knowledge of God, despised on account of their dark colour (cf. Jer 13:23), and perhaps also on account of slaves being often drawn from them. Degenerate Israel is no more in Jehovah’s eyes than these despised Kushites." S.R. Driver, The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges: The Books of Joel and Amos, 2nd ed. (Cambridge, 1915), p. 224. Similarly Erling Hammershaimb, The Book of Amos: A Commentary, trans. John Sturdy (New York, 1970; originally in Danish, 1946), p. 134, and Jan de Waard and W.A. Smalley, A Translator’s Handbook on the Book of Amos (American Bible Society, New York, 1979), p. 180

Jeremiah 13:23 "Can the Kushite change his skin or the leopard his spots? Just as much can you do good, who are practiced in evil."

Jeremiah's perpsective is that of a non-Kushite, who assumes that black is not the normal skin color. Homiletical interpretations saw the prophet as playing on the color symbolism of blackness when he compared the Ethiopians and leopards to sinners who "whether totally black or only spotted" are still sinners.

The Genesis Apocryphon (100 B.C.E.), one of the Dead Sea scrolls, lauds Sarah’s beauty with: "How beautiful is all her whiteness" (20.4). The lighter skin of the Israelite upper classes is seen in Lam 4:7, which speaks of the lighter, radiant skin of Jerusalem’s elect (nezireha): "[Jerusalem’s] elect were purer than snow, whiter than milk… Now their faces are blacker than soot. Better off were the slain of the sword than those slain by famine." Song 1:5-6 exhibits the Israelite upper-class preference for fair skin as a marker of beauty. "Don’t look at me that I am dark, because the sun has burned me" is a reply to a critical and disapproving attitude. Again we find a preference for white skin when the maiden praises her lover King Solomon's appearance as, "My beloved is white and ruddy" (Song 5:10).

For further data on ancient Judeo-Christian views on racial issues, please see David Goldenberg's highly enlightening The Curse of Ham: Race and Slavery in Early Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Melamed's The Image of the Black in Jewish Culture, Gay Byron's Symbolic Blackness and Ethnic Difference in Early Christian Literature, Robert E. Hood's Begrimed and Black: Christian Traditions on Blacks and Blackness, and Jean Marie Cortès, "The Theme of 'Ethiopia' and 'Ethiopians' in Patristic Literature", in Jean Devisse (ed.), The Image of the Black in Western Art, vol. 2, Morrow, New York, 1979, pp. 9-32.

[Dodge Viper]

http://mud.mm-a6.yimg.com/image/3516922958 Paramahansa Yogananda (http://celibacy.info/AudioPage4BasicsOfReligion.html) wrote:

"He has come to me often as the baby Jesus and as the young Christ. I have seen him as he was before his crucifixion, his face very sad; and I have seen him in the glorious form in which he appeared after his resurrection.
Jesus did not have a light complexion with blue eyes and blond hair as many Western painters have depicted him. His eyes were dark brown, and he had the olive-coloured skin of his Asiatic heritage. His nose was a little flattened at the tip. His moustache, sparse beard, and long hair were black. His face and body were beautifully formed. Of all the pictures I have seen of him in the west, the rendering of Hofmann comes closest to showing the accurate features of the incarnate Jesus"

http://ompage.net/ChristKrishna/Jesusat33A.jpgHeinrich Hofmann "Christ at 33 (http://www.celibacy.info)"

[HrodbertPalatinus]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42087

What did Jesus Christ of Nazareth look like as a boy?
In a documentary called "Jesus' Childhood" airing Sunday night on the Italian TV station Retequattro of the Mediaset Group, police artists use the same "aging" technology employed when searching for missing persons and criminals...
The group points out the facial proportions between the nose and eyebrow, as well as the shape of the jaw are identical to those on the shroud, which is a piece of linen some believe to be the actual burial cloth of Jesus after he was crucified.
The resulting image shows a fair-skinned child with blond, wavy hair and dark eyes. ...
The Bible itself gives little information as to the specifics of what Jesus looked like during his ministry.
It does say he was a descendant of King David, who may have been fair-skinned with a reddish tint to his face and hair. The Old Testament notes David as a youth "was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to." (I Samuel 16:12) ...

When asked by Discovery News about the latest computer-generated image, Prof. James Charlesworth, an expert on Jesus research and the Gospel of John at Princeton Theological Seminary, said, "Too many Christians look down the well of history, seeking to see Jesus' face, and see the reflection of their own image. Those who follow Jesus find him attractive and thence always tend to portray him as a very attractive male, as in this new image."

It shows clearly an Aryan Jesus, just like the Nazis proclaimed, he said.