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Captain Marinesko
12-27-2006, 12:31 PM
(Feel free to add your own "expose" pieces)

Arab-Iraeli Conflict?
http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/0394717465.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg


We are told that there has been a history of "Arab-Israeli" conflict between Jews and Arabs, going back to 1948. But some claim it went back even before the declaration of Israeli independence. Clearly something is amiss.


Who are "the Arabs"?
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/struggle_for_peace/land_maps/middle_east_region.jpg


Look at the country of Saudi Arabia. Notice how many "Arabs" actually live in outside of the "Arabian peninsula". For example, Egyptians live in Africa.

http://www.africaguide.com/images/indmaps/egypt.gif


The Jews claim they need foreign aid to protect them from the "Arabs", but do the "Arabs" actually exist? Or are they actually just Jews themselves, pretending to be an enemy of Israel to justify massive foreign aid. Let's have a look.


What language to Arabs speak?

http://www.jaars.org/museum/alphabet/galleries/graphics/arabic-bless.jpg


And what do the Jews speak? Hebrew.

http://www.jewfaq.org/graphics/hebrew.gif


Both are written right to left, BOTH are Semitic languages!

Go to part II and learn the truth about the so-called, "Arabs"!

Carlos Danger
12-27-2006, 12:48 PM
Need funky background music

Captain Marinesko
12-27-2006, 12:50 PM
Part II: The Jews and "Arabs".

Here is a picture of Jews in Israel:

http://www.dismalworld.com/im/world_tour/israeli-exports-face-provisional-taxes.jpg



Now here are some "Arabs".

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/02/21/palestinians-inside.jpg


Notice there is not a lot of difference.


Now what about this "Hizbollah" we keep hearing about?

http://www.terrorism-information.com/uploadfiles/hizbollah.jpg


What kind of weapons do they use?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1450000/images/_1452551_hizbollah150.jpg

As this picture shows, they have M16s, an American weapon.

What does the IDF use?

http://static.flickr.com/66/203018815_90d5760666_o.jpg

M16's! The same weapon.


Clearly, Hizbollah, as well as Arabs in general, do not exist. They are a myth concocted by the Jews to trick the Goyim of the world.

Gaear Grimsrud
12-27-2006, 12:57 PM
You forgot the massive pile of awful grammatical errors and misspellings. Other than that it's pretty much spot on.

Captain Marinesko
12-27-2006, 02:06 PM
Other members, feel free to create and add your presentations to my thread here. I want to see who can come up with the best conspiracy theory.

Petyr Baelish
12-27-2006, 04:33 PM
Other members, feel free to create and add your presentations to my thread here. I want to see who can come up with the best conspiracy theory.

This isn't VNN. I understand that you are fairly upset (to put it mildly) at having sufered abuse at the hands of the moderaturds over there, and I understand that the VNN membership is a perfect cross-section of the left tail of the IQ distribution, but I, and I am sure most everyone here, were well-aware of these facts before you decided to point them out, again and again. So please, kindly shut the fuck up - you're not telling us anything that we don't know, and certainly nothing that's worth making a hundred posts about.

Ahknaton
12-27-2006, 04:36 PM
http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2005/02/21/palestinians-inside.jpg
This guy is wearing his mullet back-to-front.

Captain Marinesko
12-27-2006, 04:41 PM
This isn't VNN. I understand that you are fairly upset (to put it mildly) at having sufered abuse at the hands of the moderaturds over there, and I understand that the VNN membership is a perfect cross-section of the left tail of the IQ distribution, but I, and I am sure most everyone here, were well-aware of these facts before you decided to point them out, again and again. So please, kindly shut the fuck up - you're not telling us anything that we don't know, and certainly nothing that's worth making a hundred posts about.

Sure, when people are "upset", they make jokes about things. And of course, I'm the only guy on this forum that makes fun of WNs, VNN, Jewish conspiracy theories, etc. Nobody else does that here. None of that would even be mentioned here were it not for me. Only me. Sure.

If you have some kind of beef with me then come out and say it rather than relying on these pathetic indirect ad homs.

Petyr Baelish
12-27-2006, 04:48 PM
If you have some kind of beef with me then come out and say it rather than relying on these pathetic indirect ad homs.

If you were any bright you'd have figured out what my "beef" with you is by now. Read my post over again. This isn't VNN, it's a free speech forum called "The Phora". Most of the posters here, with the notable exception of the scum that was judged unfit by even VNN's abysmal standards, and was unceremoniously deported here, are of above average intelligence, relatively well educated, and not WNs. You are preaching to the choir, and have been with virtually every single one of your histrionic posts. If you want to bitch and moan about how the bullies at VNN won't let you speak your mind with passive-aggressive "parodies", go somewhere else; none of the established posters here (again, sans the human debris from VNN) need any convincing that VNN is the online equivalent of an institution for the severely retarded. Your goose is cooked.

AFAIK, I've never posted on VNN. I don't believe I've ever even browsed VNN. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't give a rat's ass if VNN's entire membership was rounded up, deported to a concentration camp, and shot at dawn the next day, a sentiment that I am certainly not alone in holding. I can think of more than a few better uses for the server's badnwidth than ranting about some shitspeck forum that has all the trappings of a playground custom-built for Down-syndrome victims.

Captain Marinesko
12-27-2006, 04:54 PM
Well here's the problem with that.

1. I'm not WN either.

2. I'm not complaining about VNN. I find VNN very entertaining. I had been away from VNN for several months until I went back to post that "Jewish National Socialism" article, at the behest of a Comrade. If anything I am disappointed that they haven't banned me yet.

3. For some bizarre reason parody stuff like this gets a lot of positive responses as well as rep points. Most of it comes from those intelligent non-WN types you refer to.

It's just entertainment, plain and simple, and it gets positive comments from a lot of people(including people not on this forum and even some on VNN).

"Uptight" is an apt handle.

I will make a deal. If a significant number of non-WN Phora members want me to stop posting any parodies here, let them say so in this thread, by PMs, or whatever. I will leave the floor open to them.

///M power
12-27-2006, 05:49 PM
nice captain!:) I love your posts they are always entertaining!
but I found an error.
the gun on the hizbala flag is an AK-47. the official Arab weapon,they dont use m16,because Russia makes AK-47.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47#Cultural_influence

Daniel Shays
12-27-2006, 07:08 PM
If a significant number of non-WN Phora members want me to stop posting any parodies here, let them say so in this thread, by PMs, or whatever. I would like you to stop. It only fans to flame the embers of White Nationalist elements of the Phora - elements that should be contemptuously ignored.

related:

re: your anti-holocaust denial.

I do not doubt that revisionists such as David Irving who calls Barbarossa 'preventative' and glorified the Hungarian counter-revolution are reactionary anti-Communists even though ironically enough some David Irving books were published in the USSR. However, they have broken with the bourgeoisie and become its enemies from within - what is the historian under capitalism but an academic vassal of the ruling class? During the Cold War there was a subtle trend in reductionism which became taboo after the Soviet collapse. A handful of these petty-bourgeois historians refused to bend to the [ever changing] political needs of the bourgeoisie and were thus outcast from academia. For this reason alone a victory against holocaust revisionists is a victory for the bourgeoisie. The fact that these revisionist historians re-affirm the historical view of the Soviet Union, where Nazi genocide did not begin to approximate a quintessentially jewish experience is only more reason to support them.

At a time when prominent anti-Imperialists such as Ahmadinejad have recognized the holocaust story for the political tool of Zionism that it is, it is inappropriate and inexcusable for Communists to oppose holocaust revisionism - regardless of how many unsavory characters (including scum like David Duke) try to latch on and benefit from it.

eggheadbanga
12-27-2006, 09:19 PM
At a time when prominent anti-Imperialists such as Ahmadinejad have recognized the holocaust story for the political tool of Zionism that it is, it is inappropriate and inexcusable for Communists to oppose holocaust revisionism - regardless of how many unsavory characters (including scum like David Duke) try to latch on and benefit from it.

This is the kind of skewed 'anti-imperialist' logic that prevented me ever joining a Marxist party in the 1990s when half of the left fell over themselves to worship Milosevic because the "imperialists" didn't like him.

Daniel Shays
12-27-2006, 10:19 PM
This is the kind of skewed 'anti-imperialist' logic that prevented me ever joining a Marxist party in the 1990s when half of the left fell over themselves to worship Milosevic because the "imperialists" didn't like him.Liberalism and its hypocrisy leads you into bed with Nazis/Zionists. You do realize that Neonazis from Germany, Austria, France, Hungary, and even England fought alongside NATO and Croat neo-Ustashe forces in openly Nazi squads, correct?

JohnAFlynn
12-27-2006, 10:39 PM
nice captain!:) I love your posts they are always entertaining!
but I found an error.
the gun on the hizbala flag is an AK-47. the official Arab weapon,they dont use m16,because Russia makes AK-47.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47#Cultural_influence

I'm sure they use M-16s that they pick up off of dead jews they've bested in battle. That's what CM's pic showed, I contend. And since Israel recently got their ass handed to them all over southern Lebanon, I suspect there's quite a supply of Israeli small arms in the hands of Hezbollah about now. :rofl: :rofl:

Burrhus
12-27-2006, 10:45 PM
If you were any bright you'd have figured out what my "beef" with you is by now. Read my post over again. This isn't VNN, it's a free speech forum called "The Phora". Most of the posters here, with the notable exception of the scum that was judged unfit by even VNN's abysmal standards, and was unceremoniously deported here, are of above average intelligence, relatively well educated, and not WNs. You are preaching to the choir, and have been with virtually every single one of your histrionic posts. If you want to bitch and moan about how the bullies at VNN won't let you speak your mind with passive-aggressive "parodies", go somewhere else; none of the established posters here (again, sans the human debris from VNN) need any convincing that VNN is the online equivalent of an institution for the severely retarded. Your goose is cooked.

AFAIK, I've never posted on VNN. I don't believe I've ever even browsed VNN. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't give a rat's ass if VNN's entire membership was rounded up, deported to a concentration camp, and shot at dawn the next day, a sentiment that I am certainly not alone in holding. I can think of more than a few better uses for the server's badnwidth than ranting about some shitspeck forum that has all the trappings of a playground custom-built for Down-syndrome victims.

Having admitted that you have never even browsed VNN, on what basis do make such scurrilous comments about VNNers in general?

They aren't all like Glenn Miller.

JohnAFlynn
12-27-2006, 11:00 PM
Having admitted that you have never even browsed VNN, on what basis do make such scurrilous comments about VNNers in general?

They aren't all like Glenn Miller.

thank you for saving me the time.

Petyr Baelish
12-27-2006, 11:41 PM
Having admitted that you have never even browsed VNN, on what basis do make such scurrilous comments about VNNers in general?

They aren't all like Glenn Miller.

Because I've observed and interacted with the torrent of human flotsam that came from VNN, and continues to pollute the Phora to this day, and have so far been far from impressed. Granted there are a few decent posters, but the contrast in quality between the average VNNer and the average Phoraite (at least prior to the VNN refugee invasion) is nothing short of glaring.

eggheadbanga
12-27-2006, 11:46 PM
Liberalism and its hypocrisy leads you into bed with Nazis/Zionists. You do realize that Neonazis from Germany, Austria, France, Hungary, and even England fought alongside NATO and Croat neo-Ustashe forces in openly Nazi squads, correct?

So? I don't deny Croatian war crimes any more than I deny Serbian war crimes or Israeli war crimes.

Kodos
12-27-2006, 11:48 PM
I'm sure they use M-16s that they pick up off of dead jews they've bested in battle. That's what CM's pic showed, I contend. And since Israel recently got their ass handed to them all over southern Lebanon, I suspect there's quite a supply of Israeli small arms in the hands of Hezbollah about now. :rofl: :rofl:


Lets do Skunk the classic way, back when he was funny sometimes

http://home.att.net/~suefat/skunk/Gene_Autry.jpg

Kodos & JohnAFlynn in the producers

http://www.eilatgordinlevitan.com/kurenets/k_pix/kamenetsky/110504_1e_b.gif
Caption: JohnAFlynn

Kodos: I have written the worst play ever, Auschwitz Happy Days its sure to lose money

JohnAFlynn: Thats offensive I lost a grandfather at Auschwitz, isn't there a better way to write a flop.

Kodos: Your grandfather fell off a guard tower.

JohnAFlynn: Vhat!?

ivory bill
12-27-2006, 11:53 PM
If you were any bright you'd have figured out what my "beef" with you is by now. Read my post over again. This isn't VNN, it's a free speech forum called "The Phora". Most of the posters here, with the notable exception of the scum that was judged unfit by even VNN's abysmal standards, and was unceremoniously deported here, are of above average intelligence, relatively well educated, and not WNs. You are preaching to the choir, and have been with virtually every single one of your histrionic posts. If you want to bitch and moan about how the bullies at VNN won't let you speak your mind with passive-aggressive "parodies", go somewhere else; none of the established posters here (again, sans the human debris from VNN) need any convincing that VNN is the online equivalent of an institution for the severely retarded. Your goose is cooked.

AFAIK, I've never posted on VNN. I don't believe I've ever even browsed VNN. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't give a rat's ass if VNN's entire membership was rounded up, deported to a concentration camp, and shot at dawn the next day, a sentiment that I am certainly not alone in holding. I can think of more than a few better uses for the server's badnwidth than ranting about some shitspeck forum that has all the trappings of a playground custom-built for Down-syndrome victims.

Ha!
Gee, "Captain" Marinesko, even the choir is bored with your "parodies" and regard your "humorous" attacks on WNs and VNN as being equally as pathetic as you regard your targets to be.
Maybe its time to grow up, what do you think?
Knowing you, I suspect that you think it time for another heaping helping of sophomoric sarcasm, another oh-so-funny parody.

Daniel Shays
12-28-2006, 12:10 AM
So? I don't deny Croatian war crimes any more than I deny Serbian war crimes or Israeli war crimes.Then why did the non-Imperialist Left's support of Milosevic against Imperialism turn you away? You really think that his government was a 'greater evil' than the US government - don't you understand how hypocritical it is for the capitalists here to justify an invasion by claiming "ethnic cleansing"? This country wouldn't exist without it, neither would Israel or modern Poland (both OK'd by the US). Only massive propaganda and liberal softheadedness could justify such a bullshit rationale for war against Yugoslavia.

Burrhus
12-28-2006, 01:19 AM
Because I've observed and interacted with the torrent of human flotsam that came from VNN, and continues to pollute the Phora to this day, and have so far been far from impressed. Granted there are a few decent posters, but the contrast in quality between the average VNNer and the average Phoraite (at least prior to the VNN refugee invasion) is nothing short of glaring.


If you lay off the dope for six months, the paranoia and delusions may go away.

Or not.

Non-flotsamly yours, Burrhus

Petyr Baelish
12-28-2006, 01:27 AM
If you lay off the dope for six months, the paranoia and delusions may go away.

Yes, it must be my paranoia that tells me that all you VNNers are cut from the same cloth - imbeciles with dellusions of relevance who believe that they are contributing to some 'cause' by perpetually spamming internet forums with NIZKOR links and masturbating to Der Ewige Jude. :rofl: :rofl:

Now, run along, I am sure that you've got some Nazi costume party to attend. Oh, and you're also late for your daily Holocaust circle-jerk with Globus.

ivory bill
12-28-2006, 01:31 AM
Phora: where the flotsam of the far-right meet the jetsam of the liberal left.

Petr
12-28-2006, 01:34 AM
This isn't VNN. I understand that you are fairly upset (to put it mildly) at having sufered abuse at the hands of the moderaturds over there, and I understand that the VNN membership is a perfect cross-section of the left tail of the IQ distribution, but I, and I am sure most everyone here, were well-aware of these facts before you decided to point them out, again and again. So please, kindly shut the fuck up - you're not telling us anything that we don't know, and certainly nothing that's worth making a hundred posts about.
Having sand in your butthole, Timmy?

Snarling at religion and bragging about whoring around is apparently not enough anymore to entertain the greatest genius druggie on Phora. Now you have also become a member of local cartoon-Commie squad singing paeans to Stalin, and picking fights with strangers.


Petr

Petyr Baelish
12-28-2006, 01:44 AM
Now you have also become a member of local cartoon-Commie squad[...]



The only cartoon I see around here is you. You're a walking, talking Jack Chick tract. Hey, I've got something you can spam the science forum with:

Inspired by that master physicist, Jack Chick, Johnny Logic has discovered the force that holds atoms together: Jebons!

http://pharyngula.org/images/jesusatomzoom.jpg

By the way, Petr, can you remind me again how many dinosaurs there were on Noah's Ark?

singing paeans to Stalin[...]

If Stalin were in power, you would have been sent on a long, good tour to the friendly neighborhood GULAG, where even an incorrigible lout like you could be made of some use to society. You certainly wouldn't be spreading your misologic vitriol and irritating your moral and intellectual betters.

Gaear Grimsrud
12-28-2006, 02:12 AM
Vikings: Secret Jews?
*- Complete with poorly compressed/resized blurry images and awful grammar

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/431/VikingHeeb1.jpg
Just who were they? Some think they were secret Jew. Let's look at the evidence.


http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8825/VikingHeeb2.jpg
Notice the nose cover? Why would a real Scandinavian do that? Only Jews hide the true nature of their noses. Let's dig a bit deeper.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7769/Hagartheheeb.jpg
Vikings were known for their prowess in thievery and raping, so are Jews. As we all know only the Talmud officially supports such behavior, this can't be coincidence.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2954/VikingHeebs.jpg
In the 11th century men like Harald Hardråde invade countries like England and help overthrow the native monarchies. Anyone who knows how to use Google can figure out that surnames that don't end with a random sequence of numbers, letters, and symbols tend to be Jewish since when a single Jew possess a surname that obviously makes everyone who has it a Jew.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3016/VikingHeeb3.jpg
An American football team is called the Vikings. The owner is the Jewish son of “Holocaust survivors”. This also can't be a coincidental.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/8186/JudenVikePoster.jpg
In 1958 Jews made a movie about Vikings featuring two Jewish actors in the leading roles. This also can't be a coincidence.



Cui Bono?
Scandinavians certainly didn't benefits from all of this Viking nonsense, only Jews did through their takeovers of European nations with their clever Viking scams. Clearly the Viking invasion of the 8th-11th century were a Jewish false flag operation designed make money with Hagar the Horrible merchandise and to inflict guilt upon the goyim and cause strong rift between Scandinavians and other Europeans using classic Jewish divide and conquer tactics that lasts to this day all while still running countries like France, Ireland, San Marino, and Southern Yemen.

But who is the ringleader of this nefarious scheme? Our expert etymologists here at Judicial-Inc.biz have decrypted the word "Viking" to mean "Of or from King", and there can only be one conclusion that is reached from this:

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1117/larryvikingwo5.jpg
Larry King is the founder and leader of the world Jewish Viking conspiracy. He's over 1400 years old and he flies above the Earth in his longboat shaped spaceship feeding on the blood of innocent gentile children he lanced with a trained narwhal.

Dances with Wolves
12-28-2006, 02:15 AM
Yes, it must be my paranoia that tells me that all you VNNers are cut from the same cloth - imbeciles with dellusions of relevance who believe that they are contributing to some 'cause' by perpetually spamming internet forums with NIZKOR links and masturbating to Der Ewige Jude. :rofl: :rofl:

Now, run along, I am sure that you've got some Nazi costume party to attend. Oh, and you're also late for your daily Holocaust circle-jerk with Globus.

Interesting that a Seattlite would talk about masturbating and circle jerking. This from the land of Zombie parties :rofl:

Petyr Baelish
12-28-2006, 02:16 AM
[B]Vikings: Secret Jews?[/B

Now that was actually funny. Rep coming your way.

Dances with Wolves
12-28-2006, 02:17 AM
I have to admit, judicial biz has made some outrageous claims. There is jewish mischief around without having to make shit up. A shortcoming of certain WNs, certainly.

eggheadbanga
12-28-2006, 11:14 AM
Then why did the non-Imperialist Left's support of Milosevic against Imperialism turn you away? You really think that his government was a 'greater evil' than the US government - don't you understand how hypocritical it is for the capitalists here to justify an invasion by claiming "ethnic cleansing"? This country wouldn't exist without it, neither would Israel or modern Poland (both OK'd by the US). Only massive propaganda and liberal softheadedness could justify such a bullshit rationale for war against Yugoslavia.

:google: 'Living Marxism'.

Better still:
http://citycellar.com/BalkanWitness/hoare.htm

Since when does non-membership of a far-left party automatically mean 'support' for interventionist policies?

I simply object to the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend and can do no wrong' logic that too many on both left and right espouse in world affairs.

The mentality that leads leftwingers to deny atrocities today is the descendant of the mentality that caused them to deny the Ukrainian famine and the Terror in the 1930s with such asinine remarks as 'you can't make an omeletee without breaking eggs', as if any utilitarian calculus can ever justify those atrocities.

Captain Marinesko
12-28-2006, 11:16 AM
I'm sure they use M-16s that they pick up off of dead jews they've bested in battle. That's what CM's pic showed, I contend. And since Israel recently got their ass handed to them all over southern Lebanon, I suspect there's quite a supply of Israeli small arms in the hands of Hezbollah about now. :rofl: :rofl:


Actually they get them from the Lebanese army, which has used M16s for several decades.

Captain Marinesko
12-28-2006, 11:17 AM
:google: 'Living Marxism'.

Better still:
http://citycellar.com/BalkanWitness/hoare.htm

Since when does non-membership of a far-left party automatically mean 'support' for interventionist policies?

I simply object to the 'enemy of my enemy is my friend and can do no wrong' logic that too many on both left and right espouse in world affairs.

The mentality that leads leftwingers to deny atrocities today is the descendant of the mentality that caused them to deny the Ukrainian famine and the Terror in the 1930s with such asinine remarks as 'you can't make an omeletee without breaking eggs', as if any utilitarian calculus can ever justify those atrocities.


What do you think of Mark Tauger's archival research on the Ukrainian famine?

Ahknaton
12-28-2006, 11:20 AM
Actually they get them from the Lebanese army, which has used M16s for several decades.
Israel actually also supplied some arms to the Palestinian National Authority to help them police Hamas (when Fatah was still in power).

eggheadbanga
12-28-2006, 11:30 AM
What do you think of Mark Tauger's archival research on the Ukrainian famine?

I should have clarified: the Volga-Kazakhstan-Ukraine famine of 1932. There's no smoking gun proving that the famine was ethnically targeted or actually willed, but the response was deplorable and the causes firmly rooted in the idiotic policy of collectivisation. Stalinism cannot be exculpated from this humanitarian disaster any more than the Terror of 1937-38 can be justified.

Captain Marinesko
12-28-2006, 11:53 AM
I should have clarified: the Volga-Kazakhstan-Ukraine famine of 1932. There's no smoking gun proving that the famine was ethnically targeted or actually willed, but the response was deplorable and the causes firmly rooted in the idiotic policy of collectivisation. Stalinism cannot be exculpated from this humanitarian disaster any more than the Terror of 1937-38 can be justified.

Well if you read Tauger's work you see that there was actually an analagous sitaution in Niger around 1931. Again, the government(mostly due to negligence) did play a role, even though the famine was due to natural causes. Strangely, people don't make much fuss of the French "man-made" famine that killed so many there(proportionately).

There were also a number of steps that the Stalin government took in trying to relieve the famine, which was also affecting parts of the Moscow oblast as well. For one thing, the procurement quota in 1932 was lowered in response. Exports were cut, and decollectivization was allowed in areas where it was deemed more efficient.

The question of collectivization is very similar to that of the purges- not whether it can be justified, but whether it was truly avoidable given the situation at the time.

In that light, I believe that the only real legitimate complaints against the Bolsheviks pre-date the revolution by far. Had they spent more time organization and educating, particularly in the countryside, they would not have had this problem. We have seen how well collectivization works in places like Israel, where it was voluntary. The thing is that ideology must come first, not the practical measures.

Captain Marinesko
12-28-2006, 12:54 PM
I would like you to stop. It only fans to flame the embers of White Nationalist elements of the Phora - elements that should be contemptuously ignored.


I note your vote.

However, I don't see how Irving, Rudolf, etc. are opposing the Bourgeoisie in anything but a practical, physical sense(in the sense that they are prosecuted by capitalist states). There is a connection between their lies about Communism and their Holocaust denial- they live primarily for the exoneration of their hero Hitler and National Socialism. It's not about Palestinians, Iranians, capitalism, etc. It's about getting attention and their love of Hitler and his ilk.

Let us also not forget that Israel was initiall anti-imperialist. Our side made a big ideological mistake in supporting the regressive Arab societies, who treat their people like dirt despite massive wealth under the sand. It is partially due to this that Israel became a puppet-state of Western imperialism. The effects of class and capitalism still apply to Jews as well as everyone else. We should be trying to rekindle the socialist spirit in Israel amongst both sides instead of taking up the banner of religious fanatics, who only fuel religious fanaticism on the Jewish side as well, and generally are opposed to the tenets of socialism as most Arab states clearly are.


As for Yugoslavia, one of my pet subjects, I no longer take sides. Yugoslavia was a horrible blood-letting and the war generally benefitted nobody save for crooks, foreign intruders, and the worst scumbags in Europe(organized criminal elements). Yugoslavia is a tragedy, one of the first made possible by the collapse of the Soviet Union.

JohnAFlynn
12-28-2006, 02:52 PM
Actually they get them from the Lebanese army, which has used M16s for several decades.

Fair enough. I took jew Muscle Power at his word about the common weaponry of Hezbollah. I must have momentarily forgot that 1) he's a jew, and 2) he's probably never been within miles of a firefight, whether with Hezbollah or any other of his "Islamofascist" enemies.

Captain Marinesko
12-28-2006, 04:17 PM
Fair enough. I took jew Muscle Power at his word about the common weaponry of Hezbollah. I must have momentarily forgot that 1) he's a jew, and 2) he's probably never been within miles of a firefight, whether with Hezbollah or any other of his "Islamofascist" enemies.


Groups like that frequently obtain AKs of course, and I am sure if you look the majority of weapons they have are of East Bloc(but perhaps Chinese or Arab origin). I'm just saying that you often find a lot of photos of Hizbollah guys armed with m16s, and the most likely source is the Lebanese army.

Trojan
12-29-2006, 02:19 AM
You need to bring Celtic Patriot over from Stormfront to get the true feeling of Judical-Biz. :viking:

Captain Marinesko
12-29-2006, 10:53 AM
You need to bring Celtic Patriot over from Stormfront to get the true feeling of Judical-Biz. :viking:


It actually would be funny to see that guy try to debate in a situation where he doesn't have moderator protection. He would probably freak out after a few posts(and yes he would post his psycho rant).

Daniel Shays
12-29-2006, 04:30 PM
However, I don't see how Irving, Rudolf, etc. are opposing the Bourgeoisie in anything but a practical, physical sense(in the sense that they are prosecuted by capitalist states). They are opposing the bourgeoisie in practice and in a physical sense. That is the most a Communist can ask of any non-worker. Are you trying to tell me that because their heart isn't in the right place they should be attacked by Communists?There is a connection between their lies about Communism and their Holocaust denial- they live primarily for the exoneration of their hero Hitler and National Socialism. It's not about Palestinians, Iranians, capitalism, etc. It's about getting attention and their love of Hitler and his ilk. You've made countless posts telling White Nationalists how disproving the holocaust will not empower 'Whites' and resurrect Hitler - I agree with you. Who cares what the revisionists want, what matters is the result: a victory against Zionism on many levels. Israel would be even less popular among all people, including Jews. Zionism is the establishment of a Hebrew nation(alism) which is hopelessly reactionary given the international and progressive character of secular Jewry which would be a great aid to the proletariat - if it was not isolated in Palestine (zionism) or isolating itself among the workers (bundism).
Let us also not forget that Israel was initiall anti-imperialist. Israel has always been an imperialist state, which initially cooperated extensively with Nazis and has supported a plethora of fascist states over its short existence. That the USSR was first to recognize Israel and some Czech firearms were provided as a small diplomatic gesture is inconsequential. The Soviets wanted parity with Israel, they never thought it was anti-imperialist -- it certainly never once acted in an anti-imperialist way, ever. Our side made a big ideological mistakeSo the Israeli Communist Party severing ties with Stalin was his fault? And it was an ideological mistake of the Soviet Union? Please cite any M-L theory that would show why supporting Arab national liberation movements constituted an ideological mistake. When it came to Jewish nationalism, Lenin used plain language to describe how anyone who supports a Jewish national culture is an enemy of the proletariat and tool of reactionary rabbis, Stalin spoke simply when he supported Egyptian and Afghan national liberation and when he proved that Jews are not a nation - two points that Lenin emphatically seconded.

Or perhaps you mean to say that Marxism-Leninism is inherently deeply flawed, in which case, you are certainly not a Marxist-Leninist but a right deviant of the most scurrilous kind.
in supporting the regressive Arab societies, who treat their people like dirt despite massive wealth under the sand.All bourgeoisies 'treat their people like dirt despite massive wealth' - it is their nature. Why should the Arab case be any different? In the exploited nation there is no uniquely oppressed proletariat as both the native bourgeoisie and proletariat (and sometimes even aristocracy !) are oppressed by the imperialist power - this means there can be no revolution until there is a national movement. This national movement will be very reactionary for the reason that it is a REACTION to imperialism.

Soviet involvement in the M-E facilitated secularism and socialism. The only people who were "treated like dirt" in the pro-Soviet M-E countries were capitalists and fundamentalists. Your attempts to justify Zionism are Nazbol, not Marxist-Leninist.

JohnAFlynn
12-29-2006, 07:22 PM
They are opposing the bourgeoisie in practice and in a physical sense. That is the most a Communist can ask of any non-worker. Are you trying to tell me that because their heart isn't in the right place they should be attacked by Communists?You've made countless posts telling White Nationalists how disproving the holocaust will not empower 'Whites' and resurrect Hitler - I agree with you. Who cares what the revisionists want, what matters is the result: a victory against Zionism on many levels. Israel would be even less popular among all people, including Jews. Zionism is the establishment of a Hebrew nation(alism) which is hopelessly reactionary given the international and progressive character of secular Jewry which would be a great aid to the proletariat - if it was not isolated in Palestine (zionism) or isolating itself among the workers (bundism).
Israel has always been an imperialist state, which initially cooperated extensively with Nazis and has supported a plethora of fascist states over its short existence. That the USSR was first to recognize Israel and some Czech firearms were provided as a small diplomatic gesture is inconsequential. The Soviets wanted parity with Israel, they never thought it was anti-imperialist -- it certainly never once acted in an anti-imperialist way, ever. So the Israeli Communist Party severing ties with Stalin was his fault? And it was an ideological mistake of the Soviet Union? Please cite any M-L theory that would show why supporting Arab national liberation movements constituted an ideological mistake. When it came to Jewish nationalism, Lenin used plain language to describe how anyone who supports a Jewish national culture is an enemy of the proletariat and tool of reactionary rabbis, Stalin spoke simply when he supported Egyptian and Afghan national liberation and when he proved that Jews are not a nation - two points that Lenin emphatically seconded.

Or perhaps you mean to say that Marxism-Leninism is inherently deeply flawed, in which case, you are certainly not a Marxist-Leninist but a right deviant of the most scurrilous kind.
All bourgeoisies 'treat their people like dirt despite massive wealth' - it is their nature. Why should the Arab case be any different? In the exploited nation there is no uniquely oppressed proletariat as both the native bourgeoisie and proletariat (and sometimes even aristocracy !) are oppressed by the imperialist power - this means there can be no revolution until there is a national movement. This national movement will be very reactionary for the reason that it is a REACTION to imperialism.

Soviet involvement in the M-E facilitated secularism and socialism. The only people who were "treated like dirt" in the pro-Soviet M-E countries were capitalists and fundamentalists. Your attempts to justify Zionism are Nazbol, not Marxist-Leninist.

Hahaha.


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Captain Marinesko
12-29-2006, 07:42 PM
They are opposing the bourgeoisie in practice and in a physical sense. That is the most a Communist can ask of any non-worker.

No, they don't. Look at the case of David Irving, whose indictment was in fact not based on "questioning the Holocaust" but because he repeatedly gave speeches to people considered to be Neo-Nazis by the government. Now I don't know if the government's opinion on that is very accurate, but what is a fact is he was asked by the government several times to STOP doing that. Now regardless of the morality behind that law, it is pretty well accepted that if a government tells you, as a foreigner, that they don't want you doing something, you ought not be whining if you end up behind bars.



Are you trying to tell me that because their heart isn't in the right place they should be attacked by Communists?You've made countless posts telling White Nationalists how disproving the holocaust will not empower 'Whites' and resurrect Hitler - I agree with you.

You forget that 1/2 of Holocaust revisionism, if not more is based on moral relativism by inflating Communist-atrocity stories. Why should we help such people?




Who cares what the revisionists want, what matters is the result: a victory against Zionism on many levels. Israel would be even less popular among all people, including Jews. Zionism is the establishment of a Hebrew nation(alism) which is hopelessly reactionary given the international and progressive character of secular Jewry which would be a great aid to the proletariat - if it was not isolated in Palestine (zionism) or isolating itself among the workers (bundism).

If you look into the early history of Zionism, you would see a distinctly socialist, secular, and even Marxist(in the case of certain collectives) character. These groups also looked at the Arabs as potential allies, seeing the oppressors as being the Arab landlords. The left-wing Marxist collectives wanted a bi-national state(Arab/Jewish). Here is some background info on that. I really wish I had more right now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz





Israel has always been an imperialist state, which initially cooperated extensively with Nazis and has supported a plethora of fascist states over its short existence.

If collaboration with the Nazis is enough to label a state as imperialist, what would you say about the Islamic world, including Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al Husseini, both of which had far more collaboration with Nazi Germany.



That the USSR was first to recognize Israel and some Czech firearms were provided as a small diplomatic gesture is inconsequential. The Soviets wanted parity with Israel, they never thought it was anti-imperialist -- it certainly never once acted in an anti-imperialist way, ever.

Hmmm...that could have had something to do with being attacked from three sides, by troops armed and in some cases led by the British EMPIRE.



So the Israeli Communist Party severing ties with Stalin was his fault?

No it is not Stalin's fault, but the real downturn of Soviet-Israeli relations wouldn't come until after Stalin's death. Ergo, there was the opportunity not to fall for US meddling and patch things up. On both sides.



And it was an ideological mistake of the Soviet Union? Please cite any M-L theory that would show why supporting Arab national liberation movements constituted an ideological mistake.

The oppressive state of Egypt is an Arab national liberation movement? Syria? Can you please cite any M-L theory that says a movement which openly states it will completely drive out the other nationality in the territory in question is a "national liberation" movement?


When it came to Jewish nationalism, Lenin used plain language to describe how anyone who supports a Jewish national culture is an enemy of the proletariat and tool of reactionary rabbis, Stalin spoke simply when he supported Egyptian and Afghan national liberation and when he proved that Jews are not a nation - two points that Lenin emphatically seconded.

The issue is that there IS a Jewish state now, though in reality it is a multiethnic state. We have to decide then how would we deal with this new development. Supporting one side that just intends to wipe the other out, be they Jew or Arab, is not the same as supporting a national liberation movement.


All bourgeoisies 'treat their people like dirt despite massive wealth' - it is their nature. Why should the Arab case be any different?

Why should the Jewish, Russian, Bolivian, or Korean cases be any different? We are not speaking of "national liberation" movements when I talk about Egypt, Syria, etc. Why is it an aberration for the US to support regimes like Saudi Arabia, but it's ok for the revisionist Soviet bloc to support Egypt(which the US eventually picked up)?



In the exploited nation there is no uniquely oppressed proletariat as both the native bourgeoisie and proletariat (and sometimes even aristocracy !) are oppressed by the imperialist power - this means there can be no revolution until there is a national movement. This national movement will be very reactionary for the reason that it is a REACTION to imperialism.

What incentive is there however, for the Israeli proletariat to join with reactionary nationalist movements that just want to wipe them out? The character of what you call "national liberation" movements is doing a wonderful job of driving the Israeli proletariat into the arms of their own religious fanatics as well as US imperialism.


Soviet involvement in the M-E facilitated secularism and socialism. The only people who were "treated like dirt" in the pro-Soviet M-E countries were capitalists and fundamentalists. Your attempts to justify Zionism are Nazbol, not Marxist-Leninist.

Take a look at Egyptian society back then before saying that. There is socialism in word and then there is socialism in deed.


Lastly, I do not intend to let anyone on a forum tell me what Marxism-Leninism is. I live in the city where Lenin himself once dwelt, and we in Russia are on the front lines of the struggle for socialism. You keep cheering for religious fanatics while we build the REAL resistance to imperialism and capitalism.

These are harsh words indeed, but I do not intend to be associated with the Nazbol circus. It's not that I "support" Zionism, it's that I'm not going to support any side whose actions fuel the reaction of the other. Groups like Hamas basically help the Israeli bourgeoisie and imperialists.

Daniel Shays
12-29-2006, 08:54 PM
No, they don't. Look at the case of David Irving, whose indictment was in fact not based on "questioning the Holocaust" but because he repeatedly gave speeches to people considered to be Neo-Nazis by the government.He was jailed on charges of 'trivializing the holocaust'.
You forget that 1/2 of Holocaust revisionism, if not more is based on moral relativism by inflating Communist-atrocity stories. Why should we help such people? No doubt revisionists are anti-communist but that tendency to 'justify' the holocaust is quite different from revisionism and it usually associated with Ernst Nolte - not those imprisoned for holocaust trivialization.
If you look into the early history of Zionism, you would see a distinctly socialist, secular, and even Marxist(in the case of certain collectives) character.I realize that the kibbutz was a socialist project but it does not approach communism as you suggested in the other thread. It was national socialism.
If collaboration with the Nazis is enough to label a state as imperialist, what would you say about the Islamic world, including Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al HusseiniHe was a leader who was willing to make an alliance with any power against British-Jewish colonization. Unlike the Zionists he did not benefit from Hitler's anti-semitic policy - rather he saw Jewish immigration rise, and received only empty promises on matters pertaining to Palestine.
Hmmm...that could have had something to do with being attacked from three sides, by troops armed and in some cases led by the British EMPIRE. The Boers came into conflict with the British Empire too, yet that is not anti-imperialism because they were imperialist themselves. The same is true for the Zionists.
The oppressive state of Egypt is an Arab national liberation movement?Mubarak's Egypt is a pro-American dictatorship. The Muslim Brotherhood is a bourgeois-religious national liberation movement.
Syria? Syria is a nationalist state.
Can you please cite any M-L theory that says a movement which openly states it will completely drive out the other nationality in the territory in question is a "national liberation" movement?Doctrine of Great Patriotic War.:viking:
The issue is that there IS a Jewish state now, though in reality it is a multiethnic state. We have to decide then how would we deal with this new development. Supporting one side that just intends to wipe the other out, be they Jew or Arab, is not the same as supporting a national liberation movement. Israel is preventing Palestine from achieving statehood by a system of oppression. Until there is a Palestinian state there is no choice to support the Palestinian national movement as the Palestinian Communist Parties do.
Why is it an aberration for the US to support regimes like Saudi Arabia, but it's ok for the revisionist Soviet bloc to support Egypt(which the US eventually picked up)?Because Soviet revisionism was foremost a domestic problem, although certainly their lack of revolutionary zeal impacted the international struggle. The Soviets were still a progressive force in Egypt and they had natural interests in the M-E region because they nearly shared borders with it. They built schools, powerplants, developed infastructure, etc. They didn't exploit like the US.
What incentive is there however, for the Israeli proletariat to join with reactionary nationalist movements that just want to wipe them out? The character of what you call "national liberation" movements is doing a wonderful job of driving the Israeli proletariat into the arms of their own religious fanatics as well as US imperialism.By "wipe them out" are you referring to Ahmadinejad's misquote? There is much rhetoric from both sides but my sympathies are with the Palestinians until they have achieved national liberation from Israel.

Burrhus
12-29-2006, 10:04 PM
You've made countless posts telling White Nationalists how disproving the holocaust will not empower 'Whites' and resurrect Hitler - I agree with you. Who cares what the revisionists want, what matters is the result: a victory against Zionism on many levels. Israel would be even less popular among all people, including Jews. Zionism is the establishment of a Hebrew nation(alism) which is hopelessly reactionary given the international and progressive character of secular Jewry which would be a great aid to the proletariat - if it was not isolated in Palestine (zionism) or isolating itself among the workers (bundism).

And so the mask is ripped off of the communist stooge and the 'true' face revealed...the international jew.

When the holocaust lie is understood by Shay's beloved proletariat, the mask will be ripped off of the international jew revealing the international parasite beneath.

Let us hope that someday communists/leftists/liberals not only accept the theory of evolution but also understand it and its implications.

Captain Marinesko
12-30-2006, 01:27 PM
He was jailed on charges of 'trivializing the holocaust'.
No doubt revisionists are anti-communist but that tendency to 'justify' the holocaust is quite different from revisionism and it usually associated with Ernst Nolte - not those imprisoned for holocaust trivialization.

While these laws are abhorrent(and laws are being written to do the same to those who trivialize "Communsit atrocities"), this does not change the fact that these people do absolutely nothing for our cause and are worthless. Their methods are an affront to scientific analysis and there is no reason why we being Marxists should take up their banner.


I realize that the kibbutz was a socialist project but it does not approach communism as you suggested in the other thread.

In the Kibbutzim Artzi they did.


It was national socialism.

Definitely, and the lesson of that experiment is one way to demonstrate to current National Socialists the manner by which nationality cannot supersede class, because the socialist character of Palestine/Israel was eventually corrupted.


He was a leader who was willing to make an alliance with any power against British-Jewish colonization. Unlike the Zionists he did not benefit from Hitler's anti-semitic policy - rather he saw Jewish immigration rise, and received only empty promises on matters pertaining to Palestine.

I would say those promises were "empty" primarily because the Axis didn't win.


The Boers came into conflict with the British Empire too, yet that is not anti-imperialism because they were imperialist themselves. The same is true for the Zionists.

True, but there were elements amongst the Zionists who weren't imperialist, and actually wanted to share the land with the Arabs.


Israel is preventing Palestine from achieving statehood by a system of oppression. Until there is a Palestinian state there is no choice to support the Palestinian national movement as the Palestinian Communist Parties do.

Looks to me like even right-wing Israel has done more to facilitate the creation of a Palestinian state. Of course they will never do what is necessary, because there is money to be made and power to be had in this kind of situation.

I DO support the Palestinian national movement, I just don't support the entire elimination of Israel which would create a massive refugee crisis. A victory of the Palestinian movement(and perhaps I didn't consider this yesterday) would be advantageous to a proletarian revolution in Israel as well. A defeat of an imperialist power often precedes its downfall.


By "wipe them out" are you referring to Ahmadinejad's misquote? There is much rhetoric from both sides but my sympathies are with the Palestinians until they have achieved national liberation from Israel.

No, I am not referring to Ahmadinejad's quote- I too recognize the difference between heated rhetoric and reality. However, it isn't a secret that there are elements in the Palestinian movement who, like fanatical Zionist zealots wish to drive their enemies into the sea.

I am reminded of a rally I attended back in 2003, a few days after the invasion of Iraq got under way. My sign was an anti-Israeli sign which had a picture of Rachel Corrie on it. I occasionally went over to the pro-war side of the street and argued with the morons over there(these pro-war rallies were actually organized by the local ultra-right wing radio station KFYI). I got into a spat about the Israeli/Palestinian issue with this old white-haired woman, and this was her quote:

"I don't care about the Palestinians, drive them into the sea!"

This woman was about 65-70, and I'm convinced she wasn't even Jewish! It just goes to show the idiotic lengths people go to if they blindly take sides in a conflict wherein they have no direct connection. I saw the same kind of idiocy surrounding the Yugoslav conflict(a pet issue of mine), where people with no ties to the region gallantly chose sides without any regard to understanding the whole issue.

tyciol
04-09-2009, 12:43 AM
Vikings: Secret Jews?You've made some very disturbingly eery points. I will be more suspicious of vikings from here on.

Starr
04-11-2009, 04:12 AM
You don't need parody. The real stuff on the site is funny enough. The Pennslvania cop killer is a jew:

It Appears The Boy Was Jewish

He laid out a Zionist-styled ambush with deadly precision. This style of ambush was routinely used by Zionist terrorists against British civil authorities in Palestine. You will soon know his racial makeup by the type of coverage he gets. Much like the Columbine killers, this nut is portrayed as a "neo-nazi".

http://www.judicial-inc.biz/94Heb_shoots_five_cops.htm