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Hakluyt
12-31-2006, 08:31 PM
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Does America need a Foreign Legion?
Colby Cosh
National Post


In 1787, shortly after the Constitutional Convention that gave final form to the government of the rebellious American colonies, a woman approached 81-year-old Ben Franklin and asked what sort of arrangement the delegates had come up with. "A republic -- if you can keep it," quipped Franklin. Even then, he and his colleagues understood that creating a Roman-style republic meant setting out on the Roman road to empire -- and, inevitably, to imperial decline.

Men like Washington, who advised his successors against "foreign entanglements," tried to install the political version of anti-virus software. But today little energy remains behind U.S. resistance to the imperial temptation. President Bush's 2000 electoral promise to pursue a "humble" foreign policy has become a joke. Sept. 11 proved it is no longer in his power, or anyone else's.

Americans are thus beginning to consider adopting one of the defining policies of late empire: the mass military recruitment of foreigners.

The possibility of an American Foreign Legion was already being discussed by military wonks and historians before 9/11, but today it's being talked about inside the Pentagon as well as outside. On Tuesday the Boston Globe reported that the Defence Department considers itself "under pressure" to dramatically expand the modest number of foreigners it enlists and naturalizes. Several plans are said to be under scrutiny, but there is no mystery about the root logic. America finds itself in need of more soldiers at a time when there is strong impetus, for political and security reasons, behind putting the teeth back into a slackly enforced American immigration policy.

Iraq has reminded Americans at great cost that wars cannot be won when no definition of victory exists. Overwhelming military might is useful in all-out struggles for existence like the Second World War in the Pacific, but it is not much use

against spontaneous, local rebellions on the periphery of imperial authority. There is no substitute for manpower in overseas garrisons -- but where can the U.S. get it? In Iraq it is already squeezing recruits for every hour of obligatory service. And few want to reintroduce conscription and hazard the social strife that would follow.

Similar factors obliged the late Romans to fill their legions with intermittently hostile Goths; the British to fight their territorial wars with Irishmen, Highlanders and Gurkhas and the French to found their renowned Foreign Legion as a bolt-hole for nihilists and fugitives of all nations. The essential problem is that successful empires are always prosperous at the centre, and the benefits of citizenship tend to expand as government grows. When Augustus Caesar built an Italian welfare state on Egyptian grain, his successors found their subjects, raised on free bread at the crossroads of world trade, increasingly unwilling to risk death in the ranks. Within decades, Roman emperors found themselves pledging exorbitant "donatives" to the troops in order to attract and control them.

America was once able to promise young men pensions, access to higher education and lifelong health care in exchange for military service. But today, every American enjoys Social Security and Medicare as a matter of right, and college is no longer an upper-class game preserve. Military service has become an evaporating social duty unsupported by economic incentives. And with family sizes decreasing, parents are becoming more sentimental toward children and less likely to urge them toward the profession of arms. To put it bluntly, military recruitment is easiest where human life is held less dear.

The prestige of soldiering in the United States is being annihilated by American virtues: high social mobility, low unemployment and infinite possibilities for the young. Because of the same virtues, hundreds risk their lives every day just to physically enter the bounds of the U.S. If they were asked to face similar hazards on behalf of the American cause, in exchange for English-language instruction and access to genuine American citizenship, the queue would girdle the globe.

Some find the idea of recruiting "American" soldiers in Mexico or India distasteful. The concept has already inspired talk of "blood money" and "coercion" of the world's poor. And foreign military recruitment is dangerous to national security in the long run, as the Romans (and the French) discovered. But for the U.S., there is no other way out of the immediate dilemma. Sooner or later, under one name or another, there will be an American Foreign Legion.

Colbycosh@gmail.com

© National Post 2006

Kodos
12-31-2006, 09:31 PM
America was once able to promise young men pensions, access to higher education and lifelong health care in exchange for military service. But today, every American enjoys Social Security and Medicare as a matter of right

Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

WFHermans
12-31-2006, 09:48 PM
Many countries had foreign legions and often they were very effective, but France, Spain or Germany never dreamt of giving the legionnaires automatic citizenship.

Kodos
12-31-2006, 09:50 PM
Many countries had foreign legions and often they were very effective, but France, Spain or Germany never dreamt of giving the legionnaires automatic citizenship.

The FFL does get citizenship.

Nattering Nabob
12-31-2006, 10:07 PM
An American Foreign Legion is an excellent idea as Americans will no longer stand for a draft unless foreign troops are attacking American soil...which is highly unlikely.

Daniel Shays
12-31-2006, 10:22 PM
Bwahahahahahahahahaha.Yes that struck me as funny too, being someone who pays a shitload a month for basic health coverage.a bolt-hole for nihilists and fugitives of all nations.Sounds like Israel.And foreign military recruitment is dangerous to national security in the long run, as the Romans (and the French) discovered.Didn't the US discover that with the Mujahideen?

WFHermans
12-31-2006, 10:43 PM
The USA is a zionist-controlled country, so in fact the complete US military is already a foreign legion, consisting of American boobs fighting for jewish leaders.

Fissile
01-07-2007, 10:42 PM
The USA is a zionist-controlled country, so in fact the complete US military is already a foreign legion, consisting of American boobs fighting for jewish leaders.

+1

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Micaelis
01-08-2007, 07:04 AM
The problem with the foreign legions of the Roman Empire was that they were being allowed to settle and cultivate imperial soil. This is due in large part to the uprooting of those tribes seeking new homelands in the great eastern invasions. This fact shouldn´t be ignored when considering the idea, as America, due to its advantageous location, experiences nothing of the sort, except perhaps with the Mexicans.

Leshrac
01-09-2007, 10:45 AM
The French Foreign Legion is screwed up. While most (75%) will die on the battlefield before their tour of duty is up, the 25% that survive are let loose on an unsuspecting population back home.

As we were told in the NZ Army, the perfect soldier cannot fit into society.

Fucking bullshit. I've been thru their training 5 years ago but got disbanded for a fuckin' fight.

I'd say 25% die.

Mind you the FFL only takes you in for 15 years (sometimes 10 if you hassle them enough to get off to foreign missions -anything non-central i mean-). You don't need to be joe the commando, you can go out in logictics, espionnage, computers or air force control.

Meaning if you get in while you're 20, there's a good chance you'll be out between 30 and 35.

Retirement at 30, how cool is that ? Plus you get awarded another identity at your own leisure. Meaning if you left your home country leaving a copy of your original id, you can live 2 legal lives.

Figure it. You get out at 30~35, get to get your retirement check (1500~1800e per month) ANYWHERE in europe, it's wired to you.

Now you come back to your original country. Claim you've been in and out living somewhere else. Get your id to be re-actualized and register for urgent social help (nobody's knowing you've been to the legion since it's your first ID).

Here goes. You get ~1500 from one side and ~1000 from the other in most european countries. Funniest part is, it's totally legal, hahahaaaa. :D

Draugen
01-09-2007, 05:22 PM
The problem with the foreign legions of the Roman Empire was that they were being allowed to settle and cultivate imperial soil. This is due in large part to the uprooting of those tribes seeking new homelands in the great eastern invasions. This fact shouldn´t be ignored when considering the idea, as America, due to its advantageous location, experiences nothing of the sort, except perhaps with the Mexicans.

That is a good point. Besides, the adverse effects of a foreign legion in terms of a risk of appropriation by foreigners, as happened to the Roman Empire, is irrelevant if we place it on the scale of the current immigration onslaught. But while America would have no problem in rallying hordes of hungry fighters with modest offers and promises, using them as Empire sentinels would definitely issue a bold statement to the international community, which in turns demands the sort of political legitimacy the Bush Administration does not have. In a couple of years, of course, things will look different.

Sulla the Dictator
01-09-2007, 05:58 PM
I have always liked the idea of an American foreign legion, as an augment to both the mililtary and immigration. Military service would teach immigrants English, valuable skills when discharged, and a stake in the country itself.

Sulla the Dictator
01-09-2007, 06:00 PM
The problem with the foreign legions of the Roman Empire was that they were being allowed to settle and cultivate imperial soil.


As far as Germans went, being taken in in their tribal formations, which was ridiculous. But as far as Gauls or Syrians or Spaniards went, there was no problem. Rome was what unified these people, and Romanized them as their service went on.

Mexicans would be fine in this field, as long as English is the language of the Legion, and as long as they were mixed with other immigrants.

Micaelis
01-09-2007, 09:39 PM
As far as Germans went, being taken in in their tribal formations, which was ridiculous. But as far as Gauls or Syrians or Spaniards went, there was no problem. Rome was what unified these people, and Romanized them as their service went on.

More like complete desecration and subjugation of the tribes in those regions, something they were unable to accomplish with the Germans.