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Wanderer
01-01-2007, 07:28 PM
Bosnia: An Extended Engagement for EU Peacekeepers


http://www.stratfor.com/products/premium/read_article.php?id=280710

Summary

The European Union has postponed the decision on reducing its peacekeeping forces (known as EUFOR) in Bosnia-Herzegovina, saying the matter will be discussed again in December. However, the Bosnian forces -- which are ethnically segregated and more like police -- cannot even fight crime, let alone keep order. Negotiations on merging the Bosnian forces into a single state unit have stalled, with the Serbs refusing to merge or allow any other ethnicity to patrol their ministate. Thus, EUFOR's withdrawal preparations are wavering. Bosnia is simply not prepared to handle its own security, or its own government, without the supervision of the United Nations and EUFOR -- and the international community knows it.

Analysis

The European Union has postponed the decision on reducing its peacekeeping forces (known as EUFOR) in Bosnia-Herzegovina, saying the matter will be discussed again in December. The European Union had been considering cutting its contingent from 6,000 troops to 1,500 in 2007 as Bosnia-Herzegovina transfers from U.N. supervision to its own government. Withdrawal preparations are wavering, however, as negotiations on restructuring Bosnia's security force are stalled once again and political instability is brewing within Bosnia itself and the region as a whole.

Under the Dayton Accords of 1995, Bosnia was delicately arranged under three governments and supervised by the U.N. high representative for Bosnia. The country is split along ethnic lines -- between the Muslim Bosniac-Croat Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina and the Serbian Republic of Srpska. Each has its own government and constitution, yet both are governed by a central government consisting of a parliament and a tri-presidency that rotates among Bosnia's three ethnic groups. However, the U.N. high representative has the final say in any government decision and can dismiss any government member. The United Nations plans to hand over supervision to the central government, not to the ministates' governments -- a point of contention for the Republic of Sprska -- in 2007, and those ministates' government agencies are to be dissolved.



Adding to the confusion, each ethnic group also has its own police force, though the Bosniac and Croat forces recently merged under the federation (but only on paper, for each still patrols its own ethnic territory). The forces -- which are nothing more than police -- only patrol their own ministates and have the reputation of not being able to even fight crime, let alone keep order in the region. The European Union aims to reorganize the police forces so Bosnia will have a statewide police service and all of its ethnically based regional forces will be abolished -- two developments the European Union and United Nations want to see. The Serbs have firmly said they will not give up their own police forces, nor allow the other ethnic forces to patrol their ministate. Bosnian Serb Prime Minister Milorad Dodik has said, "If we have to choose between the European Union and the police of Republic of Srpska, we will choose Republic of Srpska." U.N. High Representative for Bosnia Christian Schwarz-Schilling has said that a united police force plan must be agreed on by Nov. 20. That date is right around the corner, and neither side is budging.

Bosnia is not ready to stand on its own politically, either. Under the United Nations and EUFOR, Bosnia's three ethnic groups have been relatively peaceful -- but then the country is segregated and full of international peacekeepers. In the elections for all three governments Oct. 1, three nationalists were elected to the Bosnian tri-presidency. This is the government to which the United Nations -- after controlling Bosnia for 11 years -- will turn the country over in 2007. The elected representatives to the tri-presidency have very different ideas on the future of Bosnia. Bosniac President Haris Silajdzic and Croat President Ivo Miro Jovic both want the unification of Bosnia. This would dissolve the ministate governments and leave the central administration to govern the country as a whole. Bosnian Serb President Nebojsa Radmanovic has threatened to hold a referendum for the Republic of Srpska's independence should Bosnia move toward unification, for unification would see the other two ethnicities governing the Serbs two-thirds of the time. Many Croat leaders have said that if the Serbs exit Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Croats would rethink their position in the country. An exit by the Croats would split the country's Muslim populations in half, leaving Bosnia where it was before the Yugoslav wars in 1992.



To add to an already tense situation, complications are rising from Bosnia-Herzegovina's neighbor, Serbia, which is facing its own fracturing with Kosovo's impending independence. The United Nations suspended a decision on Kosovo's fate Oct. 19 in order to allow Serbia to hold elections Jan. 21. The upcoming Serbian elections are a race between the moderates (relatively speaking) and the ultranationalists who are determined to not let Kosovo go.



Bosnian Foreign Minister Mladen Ivanic -- a Serb -- said Nov. 13 that if Kosovo gains independence from Serbia, it could lead to unpredictable consequences for other regions (referring to Srpska's calls for independence). Kosovo's independence could not only lead Srpska to push for independence, it also could lead Srpska to try to unify with ethnically related Serbia.

One bright spot in this Balkan mess is that the European Union is not oblivious to the situation. French Defense Minister Michele Alliot-Marie said the union must make sure it has enough troops in the region and the ability to bring in more forces quickly if Bosnia becomes unstable or if instability spills over from Kosovo. The German Cabinet reversed an earlier decision to withdraw its 850 peacekeeping troops by the end of 2006, saying the forces will remain for at least another year. Berlin did take steps toward a future withdrawal, cutting the number of troops Germany can send to Bosnia from 3,000 to 2,400. The United States plans to withdraw by the end of 2006, and the United Kingdom plans to move its troops out by spring 2007. The U.S. withdrawal is not really significant -- only 220 U.S. troops are stationed in Bosnia, and they are separate from the other troop divisions, patrolling Sarajevo only -- but this is not to say the United States is not setting up its own safeguards. Washington is currently building a large embassy capable of housing "substantial" amounts of people and equipment in the center of Sarajevo, just in case.

The EU could draw down troops in 2007 before the transfer of power from the United Nations to the Bosnian government, but it will maintain enough of a troop presence to keep the order and maintain the ability to rapidly deploy forces to enforce stability in the region as a whole. It would not be surprising if both the EUFOR and U.N. withdrawal deadlines were both postponed further -- if not indefinitely -- as tensions escalate among the players within Bosnia and the Balkan region.

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Bartholomew Roberts
01-02-2007, 09:14 AM
Token confederation or total independence for the three communities is the only solution to Bosnia. The current Daytonian Bosnia is a joke and mockery of a state.

VAMPIR
01-02-2007, 11:23 AM
Bosnian question must be solved properly: Devided by Serbia and Croatia.

Ace Rimmer
01-02-2007, 11:34 AM
How to divide such mess?

Edzamon
01-02-2007, 01:54 PM
Ahhh the problem is it cannot be divided normally, it just leads to new conflicts, stagnation, and poverty... :confused:
they should justforcefully integrate bosnia from inside, and then to include it with rest of the balkan states to EU, and then no one will give a damn about bosnia and who is where majority there. Simple. It is a shame that we are left out of the EU because of all the crap and inter broderly suicidal wars, and what people get of that? A big piece of crap. Misery and death, unemployment and aimlesness...

dimitrije
01-03-2007, 06:23 PM
Ahhh the problem is it cannot be divided normally, it just leads to new conflicts, stagnation, and poverty... :confused:
they should justforcefully integrate bosnia from inside, and then to include it with rest of the balkan states to EU, and then no one will give a damn about bosnia and who is where majority there. Simple. It is a shame that we are left out of the EU because of all the crap and inter broderly suicidal wars, and what people get of that? A big piece of crap. Misery and death, unemployment and aimlesness...It can be divided normally between us and Croatians, whit out any conflict .
No we don't need to join EU, that kind of union will only harm and damage our economy and national prosperity
Why do you wanted independence so much if you now want to delete borders among nations.It's funny how brainwashed people like you support every political altitude created by NWO.First you were Yugoslavian communists now pacifistic democrats EU orientation what is next ......one government world.....

Zrinski
01-03-2007, 08:44 PM
It can be divided normally between us and Croatians, whit out any conflict.

If it would be possible we would have done it a long time ago. It will never happen because it just can't be done.

dimitrije
01-04-2007, 12:39 AM
If it would be possible we would have done it a long time ago. It will never happen because it just can't be done.
It would be possible if Croats stop taking turkish side.

Zrinski
01-04-2007, 01:26 AM
It would be possible if Croats stop taking turkish side.

It would be possible if you would go from whence you came.
And we all know who took the turkish side, Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic is not a Croatian hero you know. ;)

dimitrije
01-04-2007, 01:43 AM
It would be possible if you would go from whence you came.
And we all know who took the turkish side, Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic is not a Croatian hero you know. ;)Mehmed Pasha is kidnapped as little child nut later when he grow up he returned to Serbia and rebuild hundreds of churches...
Stop whit demagogy you know that I was talking about your allies turks from Bosina

Zrinski
01-04-2007, 01:55 AM
Mehmed Pasha is kidnapped as little child nut later when he grow up he returned to Serbia and rebuild hundreds of churches...
Stop whit demagogy you know that I was talking about your allies turks from Bosina

Neverthless he was and is Serbian hero. And it's not just him, there is Vuk Brankovic, Stefan Lazarevic, Kraljevic Marko, etc...all Turkish allies and vassals.

dimitrije
01-04-2007, 02:11 AM
Neverthless he was and is Serbian hero. And it's not just him, there is Vuk Brankovic, Stefan Lazarevic, Kraljevic Marko, etc...all Turkish allies and vassals.
Demagogy again, I can't see your point. Ottoman empire was more than strong and big at that time and we can only be proud because Ottomans recognize them.They were not allies to Ottomans they just found way for survival of Serbian nation under occupation.That was bloody way full of braveness and dignity
What is whit Croatia in that period, you weren't independent as well. Should I say that your leaders were allies of your occupant or maybe you didn't had any leaders at that time and Croatia didn't even exist:rofl:

Zrinski
01-04-2007, 02:18 AM
Demagogy again, I can't see your point.

Of course you "can't". Let me put it bluntly then when you can't see it - it was you Serbs who were Turkish allies not us. Thats a historical fact buddy. ;)

Ottoman empire was more than strong and big at that time and we can only be proud because Ottomans recognize them.They were not allies to Ottomans they just found way for survival of Serbian nation under occupation.That was bloody way full of braveness and dignity

Are you telling me that you are proud of being Turkish vassals, slaves and errand-boys? Isn't that a surprise. :p

What is whit Croatia in that period, you weren't independent as well. Should I say that your leaders were allies of your occupant or maybe you didn't had any leaders at that time and Croatia didn't even exist:rofl:

You and me both know that Croatia was in personal union with Hungary, fought bravely and defended itself against the Turks never succumbing to those oriental swines as you did...even intentionally in your case. As for leaders you can check the link in my signature. And many more from there. At least our heroes and leaders weren't Turkish allies and vassals. ;)

dimitrije
01-04-2007, 02:37 AM
Of course you "can't". Let me put it bluntly then when you can't see it - it was you Serbs who were Turkish allies not us. Thats a historical fact buddy. ;)

No we were not there allies, we were under turkish occupation
When I said turks in first place I meant on your allies turks from Bosina, maybe term Bosnians can help you,buddy.

Are you telling me that you are proud of being Turkish vassals, slaves and errand-boys? Isn't that a surprise. :pNo I am proud because mine ancestors fought bravely and were recognized by Ottomans.



You and me both know that Croatia was in personal union, fough bravely and defended itself against the Turks never succumbing to thoe oriental swines as you did....even intentionally. As for leaders you can check the link in my signature. And many more from there. ;)That union tsar of Germans describe on best way when he said that Croatians are only horse keepers of Vienna's
Don't speak nonsense Croatians didn't defended itself, Vatican and catholic countries were who defended. Are you really think that small nation like Croatians can defend itself from empire like Ottoman empire was

Zrinski
01-04-2007, 03:12 AM
No we were not there allies, we were under turkish occupation

You were hardly under occupation in 1396.

When I said turks in first place I meant on your allies turks from Bosina, maybe term Bosnians can help you,buddy.

Bosnians? What are you ranting....Bosnian is a regional territorial designation.

No I am proud because mine ancestors fought bravely and were recognized by Ottomans.

And then you woke up. Of course if you could provide historical sources for this blatant nebulous claim that would be spiffy. Taking that it doesn't exist I am sure you will quickly make up some yourself.

That union tsar of Germans describe on best way when he said that Croatians are only horse keepers of Vienna's

Of course again if you could provide a source that would be just fantastic, but of course there are no sources for rants and blatant lies of demented little monkey like yourself.

Don't speak nonsense Croatians didn't defended itself, Vatican and catholic countries were who defended. Are you really think that small nation like Croatians can defend itself from empire like Ottoman empire was

I do not think I know it did. These are historical facts buddy. Remember that ancient Croatian motto was: 'Antemurale Christianitatis' or in English: 'Bulwark of Christianity'. Where were you at that time? Ah yes cleaning Turkish stables. :p

VAMPIR
01-04-2007, 12:13 PM
It would be possible if you would go from whence you came.
And we all know who took the turkish side, Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic is not a Croatian hero you know. ;)
But,again, Zrinski, it is you who speaking that todays Bosniaks are majority Croatian rooted. ;)
Yes, it can be done without a conflict. Give RS to Serbia, with some other parts, rest to Croatia. Methinks 50 - 50 is OK.

Zrinski
01-04-2007, 02:02 PM
But,again, Zrinski, it is you who speaking that todays Bosniaks are majority Croatian rooted. ;)

Yes, what with it? Majority of Turks themselves are actually ancient Hellenes. Your point?

Yes, it can be done without a conflict. Give RS to Serbia, with some other parts, rest to Croatia. Methinks 50 - 50 is OK.

IMO it would be accepable if Serbs would agree to give everything west of river Vrbas and Neretva to Croats and a small strip from Vrbas river the tributary to Sava (between Vrbas and Bosna) and also a small strip in Posavina where Croats are majority. In short the territories which were historically part of Croatian kingdom - Donji Kraji ("Turkish Croatia"), Zapadne Strane (Završje) and small parts of Posavina (Orasje region) and a small part of Herzegovina (Mostar region and strip of hinterland behind Duborvnik).

I have already posted the map about this which was labeled unrealistic by others with which I actually agree. And of course there are Bosnian Muslims, they are a factor. As I said in Kosovo related thread, this is not some game like 'Knights of Honor' or 'Europa Universalis', we are talking about real world.