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Ambrosio Spinola
12-02-2005, 10:33 AM
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2005-12-02T031226Z_01_KNE211481_RTRIDST_0_OUKOE-UK-LIFE-VIRGINMARY.XML


SACRAMENTO, California (Reuters) - The dark streaks like bloody tears that have drawn believers to a Virgin Mary statue here in recent weeks follow a long tradition of Catholic apparitions around the world which often provide solace to the faithful.

Steady numbers of Catholics have made their way to the Vietnamese Catholic Martyrs Church in Sacramento, California's capital, to view an outdoor statue that has clearly visible dark streaks running down from the eyes.

"I am a believer because throughout history the Virgin Mary cried," Van Li, who came to the United States from Vietnam in 1993, said as he visited on a rainy Thursday afternoon. "She cries for everybody's sin."

Believers worldwide have seen what they believe are signs from the Virgin Mary since shortly after her death two millennia ago.

"For most people they are a kind of catharsis, they become a way of coping with stresses and anxieties," said Sandra Zimdars-Swartz, author of "Encountering Mary" on visions of the Virgin Mary.

"It usually has to do with a time of anxiety," she said. "A statue weeping blood, kind of obviously, she's not crying for joy."

Timothy Matovina, an associate professor of theology at the University of Notre Dame in South bend, Indiana, said such visions were more common in Christianity than other faiths.

"Christianity, Catholicism in particular, is a very incarnational religion," he said. "One of the claims of Christianity is that god became human; that's absolutely impossible for Muslims."

SKEPTICS

Skeptics say a human dabbing of pigment or blood could explain the marks on the Sacramento statue.

Randall Sullivan, author of "The Miracle Detective: An Investigation of Holy Visions", said it was right to be sceptical of such visions. "If you dismiss this as fraud or hysteria, odds are you'll be right."

"But it is still a stupid thing to do, to dismiss them, because there are a large number -- a relatively small percentage, but still a large number -- of these incidents that can't be dismissed," he said.

Matovina of Notre Dame said such events, whatever their nature, can have profound meaning for believers and draw together people of all types.

"There is a sense of what some call communitas, a levelling that you don't find anywhere else, only in sacred places where everyone feels equal before this mystical, divine experience."

Some people are travelling long distances to see the Sacramento statue. "I wish everybody would see this," said Donald Quiroz, who came from southern California. "These signs are trying to tell us something about our troubled times."

A spokesman for the Diocese of Sacramento, which serves 500,000 Catholics across northern California, said the church had not made any conclusions about the streaks on the statue, first seen about November 19.

"The diocese and the parishes are watching right now," said Kevin Eckery, adding that no formal investigation was underway. "For now it is a sort of wait and see."

Jimbo Gomez
12-02-2005, 10:50 AM
Interesting, I shall look into this.

Banat
12-02-2005, 01:25 PM
In Serbia the last time it happened was on St Sava's Day, January 27th, this year, in a church in Kragujevac, Central Serbia, when tears appeared on icons of Mother of God and St Demetrius.

It is said that icons can tear tears, blood and myrrh. When tears of myrrh appear, it is interpreted as an extraordinary good sign and blessing. When they are "regular", or even worse tears of blood, it is a sign that Christian people is either suffering badly, or dropping its faith.

This one's from Lipljan, Kosovo, just to get the picture how it looks like. The icon of Mother of God cried on April 12th, 2004.

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8734/bsuze23kq.jpg (http://www.kosovo.com/bsuze2.jpg)

SKEPTICS

Skeptics say a human dabbing of pigment or blood could explain the marks on the Sacramento statue.

What do they mean? That men made those tears by drawing them?

daisy
12-02-2005, 03:23 PM
i've heard this story before back in the 1980's. i believe everytime the catholic church attendance starts to extremely decline it is announced that the virgin mary cryed.

Jimbo Gomez
12-02-2005, 03:26 PM
i've heard this story before back in the 1980's. i believe everytime the catholic church attendance starts to extremely decline it is announced that the virgin mary cryed.


She has good reason to cry.

daisy
12-02-2005, 04:54 PM
she has good reason to cry true

Lenny
12-02-2005, 11:09 PM
I wonder how come Mary-related miracles never occur to Protestant audiences :confused: :D It seems to me she would want to convert Protestants to Catholicism be doing miracles for them, why would she need to always need to re-inforce Catholics beliefs?

Felix the Cat
12-02-2005, 11:12 PM
Needless to say, Protestants witnessing a miracle in their church would take it as a sign of divine Confirmation and Favor

Banat
12-03-2005, 12:04 AM
I wonder how come Mary-related miracles never occur to Protestant audiences :confused: :D It seems to me she would want to convert Protestants to Catholicism be doing miracles for them, why would she need to always need to re-inforce Catholics beliefs?

Could it be because she isn't respected that much there as she is in Catholicism and Orthodoxy? I've heard that most denominations even refuse to call her 'Mother of God'.

Anyway, I was generally talking about Orthodoxy, because such phenomena occur here too, only not on statues (because we don't have them in churches) and tears appear only on icons and frescoes. In Serbia such miracles have occurred several times in past like 10 years. It pretty much goes under:

She has good reason to cry.

with which I agree.

Vindex
12-03-2005, 02:24 AM
I have noticed when this stuff always happens there always crying never laughing but always crying, but it is a religion built on pity and guilt.

Jimbo Gomez
12-03-2005, 10:48 AM
Lenny, perhaps you should start thinking about why it is that miracles never happen at protestant places of worship...

Lenny
12-03-2005, 12:26 PM
Lenny, perhaps you should start thinking about why it is that miracles never happen at protestant places of worship...Maybe it is because Protestants are more honest and do not make up lies like Catholics http://www.albaforums.com/images/smilies/wavey.gif

Jimbo Gomez
12-03-2005, 04:37 PM
God probably hates you and does not wish to bless you with apparitions.

Kodos
12-03-2005, 05:09 PM
Lenny, perhaps you should start thinking about why it is that miracles never happen at protestant places of worship...

Protestants make less stuff up, and wouldn't be likely to believe these kind of parlor tricks if they saw them either.