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Jim West
01-06-2007, 12:27 AM
BOMBSHELL!!!
http://wvir.images.worldnow.com/images/5894604_BG1.jpg

Kevin Alfred Strom is behind bars tonight, charged with being a pedophile/child pornographer. Story is developing at this very moment....

http://www.nbc29.com/global/story.asp?s=5894604


So much for his "family values" rhetoric over the past few years!

tempus fugit
01-06-2007, 12:30 AM
unreal...but not totally shocking.

Janus
01-06-2007, 12:35 AM
A Greene County man with ties to a national organization that looks out for the interests of white people went before a federal judge Friday afternoon.Wow.

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Winston
01-06-2007, 12:43 AM
Wow.

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I thought the same. I can only think that it might have been put that way to try and taint 'looking out for the interests of white people' with pedophilia. But that strikes me as just unlikely and a touch paranoid.

Johnson
01-06-2007, 12:50 AM
http://wvir.images.worldnow.com/images/5894604_BG1.jpg

Guilty as sin. :D

LastResort56
01-06-2007, 12:58 AM
I never cared for national vanguard, their articles are painfully subjective.

According to court documents, the charges stem from October 2005 through August 2006. Federal authorities say they found at least four pictures of child porn on Strom's computer with the file name "Karen."

Strom remains in custody at the regional jail in Charlottesville. If convicted he could face 30 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000.


Now thats alot considering that the max for average child porno case is 10 years and murder is at minimum 25 years. But I don't have an extensive knowledge of the justice system, correct me if I'm wrong/miscalculating.

Scryllak
01-06-2007, 01:04 AM
On a related, non-crazy-ass-pedophile note, the opening paragraph to that article is probably the most respectful I've seen regarding pro-White orgs. It must have taken the reporter a herculean effort to avoid the much pithier, much juicier "white supremacist" label.

Fitz
01-06-2007, 01:05 AM
I thought the same. I can only think that it might have been put that way to try and taint 'looking out for the interests of white people' with pedophilia. But that strikes me as just unlikely and a touch paranoid.

It's not paranoid. The internet censorship wing of the ADL has been linking "fighting hate on the internet" with child protection for years. Strom and his wife have handed them a propaganda goldmine.

Innocent of this charge or not, his political views should have no bearing on his treatment by the government. I look forward to hearing his defense.

Dan Dare
01-06-2007, 01:10 AM
Why does this reek of gefilte Fisch?

bardamu
01-06-2007, 01:10 AM
So much for presumption of innocence.

that guy
01-06-2007, 01:18 AM
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=480505&postcount=15

Lily
01-06-2007, 01:19 AM
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01-06-2007, 01:24 AM
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01-06-2007, 01:27 AM
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Winston
01-06-2007, 01:47 AM
Perhaps he likes teens and a couple of 17-year-olds made it into his collection without his realising. A situation like that could be made into a case like this if you have the wrong people after you.

Fitz
01-06-2007, 01:49 AM
On a related, non-crazy-ass-pedophile note, the opening paragraph to that article is probably the most respectful I've seen regarding pro-White orgs. It must have taken the reporter a herculean effort to avoid the much pithier, much juicier "white supremacist" label.

Not so fast...

White Supremacist Busted on Child-Porn Charge

Leading Intellectual of Racist Movement Was Arrested by Federal Agents

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2774119&page=1


By MARCUS BARAM

Jan. 4, 2007 — A leader of the white supremacist movement was arraigned today on charges of possession of child pornography and witness tampering after being arrested by FBI agents Thursday night at his home in Charlottesville, Va.

Kevin Alfred Strom, founder of the National Vanguard white supremacist group, was considered the leading intellectual of the movement since the death of William Pierce, the author of the notorious "Turner Diaires."

Strom was arraigned in U.S. District Court in Charlottesville, charged with the two counts, and is currently being held at a facility in the city. According to the indictment, he allegedly possessed or attempted to possess "multiple images of child pornography" on his computer's hard drive.

Strom was also charged with witness tampering, which involved physically assaulting and mentally intimidating a witness to his criminal activity.

Last July, Strom took a leave of absence from National Vanguard, citing "family and health matters" and saying that he had "made mistakes, sometimes serious ones," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks white supremacist activity.

"After the death of Pierce, Kevin positioned himself to take over the leadership of the National Alliance," says Mark Potok, the editor of the SPLC's "Intelligence Report." "But he wasn't in the same position as Pierce and he didn't get the same respect. He was a wannabe and he was considered something of a wimp by other supremacists."

Strom wrote frequently about art and beauty, often rhapsodizing about the physical attributes of white women and girls.

In an 2003 essay titled "Millstone for the Mogul" for the National Alliance's Web site, he condemned the producers of the movie "Thirteen" for "what they are doing to our little children — teen and preteen White children — to normalize perverse and degenerate sexual behavior for them, to normalize homosexuality, to prematurely sexualize them, and to make interracial sex fashionable to them — can never be forgiven, can never be explained away. The media moguls who are doing this to our children deserve to be tried and punished for conspiracy, rape, gang rape, murder and attempted murder."

Later in the essay, he goes on to describe his desire to give children "self-respect, respect for their ancestors, respect for the future of their people, a deep respect for their own sexual nature, and respect for the members of the opposite sex who will be their mates and life companions."

bardamu
01-06-2007, 01:52 AM
Perhaps he likes teens and a couple of 17-year-olds made it into his collection without his realising. A situation like that could be made into a case like this if you have the wrong people after you.

White Nationalism and porn collections should not mix. Strom was always cast against type, radically so. That hairdo. One thing is for sure, to be pro-White requires one hell of a sense of humor.

Winston
01-06-2007, 01:54 AM
According to the indictment, he allegedly possessed or attempted to possess "multiple images of child pornography" on his computer's hard drive.

Strom was also charged with witness tampering, which involved physically assaulting and mentally intimidating a witness to his criminal activity.


That goes with what was said in the link Guy posted, if the witness was his apparently unstable wife.

God, the media (and) Jews must be loving this.

Watzy
01-06-2007, 01:56 AM
First Lindstedt and now Strom. Who's next?

Mentious
01-06-2007, 02:07 AM
Yes, I think we have to assume he had a couple of pics of some women on his computer who were technically "underage." God knows, 18 is a pretty strange and arbitrary marker. They were probably the sort of woman who would appeal to any perfectly normal male. (And God knows, the female is sexually developed and ready for procreation well before 18.)

Meanwhile the feds tolerate real child pornography all over the internet. Were we to see those "four pictures," we would probably know that this is just a persecution. I would not be surprised if the Feds actually run porn sites with a few carefully placed "underage" women just for this very purpose.

Sulla the Dictator
01-06-2007, 02:13 AM
First Lindstedt and now Strom. Who's next?

The rest of them in a matter of time, I'm sure.

Sulla the Dictator
01-06-2007, 02:14 AM
Yes, I think we have to assume he had a couple of pics of some women on his computer who were technically "underage."


Really? Because I assume its a six year old girl he took some snapshots of and forgot to erase.

But hey, I guess anything goes once you throw off the 'shackles' of "Jewish controlled" Western civilization.

Winston
01-06-2007, 02:16 AM
Yes, I think we have to assume he had a couple of pics of some women on his computer who were technically underage, but the sort of woman who would appeal to any perfectly normal male. (God knows, the female is sexually developed and ready for procreation well before 18.)

Meanwhile the feds tolerate actual child pornography all over the internet. Were we to see those "four pictures," we would probably know that this is just a persecution. I would not be surprised if the Feds actually run porn sites with a few carefully placed "underage" women just for this very purpose.

That thought crossed my mind too. Those who are glad to see Strom in this trouble will scoff at the idea, but it is quite possible. You and I both thought of it. A porn site could be set up with a few underage girls thrown in that are old enough not to stand out. Those who download them could be logged and traced via their credit card records, and if anyone desires to smear one of those people the option is there. It's not fool proof and it can't target people who don't use the site, but if I was running an intelligence service I would be implementing tricks such as this.

Jim West
01-06-2007, 02:19 AM
The WN sphere lacks leaders of moral responsibility. Strom's arrest is just further evidence of that. He kinked out with some child porn, and now he got nabbed. Nevertheless, new and better pro-white leaders will come along. One with great promise runs this site:

http://www.wardkendall.com/kendall-proclamation.htm

Sulla the Dictator
01-06-2007, 02:21 AM
The WN sphere lacks leaders of moral responsibility. Strom's arrest is just further evidence of that. He kinked out with some child porn, and now he got nabbed. Nevertheless, new and better pro-white leaders will come along. One with great promise runs this site:

http://www.wardkendall.com/kendall-proclamation.htm

Why would they be responsible? Their followers (And even their critics, though like minded ones) are quick to absolve them of any guilt at all. Read the thread; its already an FBI conspiracy.

And since no one is ever GUILTY, why would anyone bother with being moral?

Alfacritical
01-06-2007, 02:27 AM
If the child pornography in question involves children of the White race, then doesn't that mean that, technically speaking, Kevin Alfred Strom is behind bars tonight for loving his race?

Winston
01-06-2007, 02:28 AM
Note: I don't believe it was an FBI conspiracy. Only an idiot would dismiss the idea out of hand, though.

Dan Dare
01-06-2007, 02:33 AM
The rest of them in a matter of time, I'm sure.

Sulla rubs hands with glee, looking forward to escaping his mundane existence as a cocktail server and part-time slot-machine emptier, for exciting career prospects as a Kapo.

Rob Roy MacGregor
01-06-2007, 02:34 AM
That goes with what was said in the link Guy posted, if the witness was his apparently unstable wife.

God, the media (and) Jews must be loving this.

Here is a quote from April Gaede about his bitchcunt (ex)wife....

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3764029&postcount=1

In October of 05 we were driving to Arizona for the NV Eurofest and Elisha called me on our cell phone. She was screaming hysterically and wanted me to relay a message to Kevin that "the phone had been shut off" and that " he didnt pay the damn phone bill". She also stated that she "wouldnt be here when he gets back, he always goes on these trips without me etc..." when we got to Phoenix we told Kevin and later he explained that the phone was not shut off,it just was not connected properly and so the connection was on and off and that he could explain to her how to fix it if she would call him.

A few months later when the Colorado and Florida guys were complaining about Kevin's lack of ability to get things out on time I mentioned to a fellow member that "maybe Kevin and Elisha are having marital troubles and that is effecting his work". I had long suspected that she had been deleting my messages from their answering machine and from his email and my articles from the National Vanguard submission account. Kevin confirmed months later that she had access to all of this and that might have been where the articles or messages that I sent ended up. Anyway, this fellow member told another fellow member who in a "genious" move posted that info on the internet like it was fact. Elisha hit the ceiling. I called to appologize but she wouldn't hear of it. I tried to appologize again in May at the NJ conference but she said " April, get away from me, I dont want to cause a scene here today". After all the scandelous lies that have been written about me, I thought she was overreacting, especially since my appology was sincere and since it was only stated out of concern for them and for our organization.

Then in March of last year Kevin called me and told me that Elisha had attacked him and slammed one of those big heavy old fashioned phones down on his head and he had to get 8 stitches. Also, he told me that she had destroyed several one of a kind Reviolo Oliver taped interviews in a fit of rage because they had his ex wife on them. He also then told me that she had found some porn on his computer and that is was of adult females but that she freaked out and called him a pervert. ( as a wife I kindof can understand her being pissed) Then he told me that she had threatened to "get even" with him and that he was afraid that she would plant something on his computer since she had been openly calling him a "pervert, child molester" in front of their daughter ( Elisha's biological daughter but Kevin's stepdaughter) At this point I told him that he should have reported her to the police for assaulting him and should tape the threats that she was making. He said that he wanted to " save our marriage" ....and that he had "caused her alot of pain when she saw that porn" and that he wanted to help her and that she was having some psychological self esteem problems at the time.

Now as a mother I have to ask. If this was true about Kevin and what she suspected, then why would she have continued to stay in the house with her daughter? And why was she hanging all over him at the NJ conference?? Also, why would he mention this to me in March then continue to have stuff on his computer???

The bad thing about these kinds of things is that even if a guy is innocent and is declared innocent in a court of law his reputation of forever ruined.

If true this is BELOW THE BELT!!! :mad:

il ragno
01-06-2007, 02:38 AM
That Great American Sulla the Dictator sees nothing wrong with tossing out the notion of innocent until proven guilty. If Holy Gummint says it's so, then it's so.

Anyone for Iraqi yellowcake?

I think we all have known for some time that the gray area between thought-crime and real-crime is rife for prosecutorial misconduct of this type. Since racists can't be cowed by the threat of exposure as racists, something viler must be employed.

But as always, the lead arrow in the State's quiver - the smoking gun, as it were - is the emblazoned WHITE SUPREMACIST, played up big at the front of the story. (That's supposed to be your cue to reflexively stick out your thumb, pointed down.)

We'll see. They tried to convince us all that white supremacists killed Matt Hale's sentencing judge; that the DC snipers were white supremacists; and that the Duke Lacrosse team, because they were burgeoning white supremacists, raped that stripper. Even Lindstedt isn't going to face any child molestation charges, now that they can shut him away in a madhouse to "help" him.

Sure hope Kevin Strom gets Pete Townsend's lawyer. 'Member lovable Pete? They found bonafide kiddie porn on his CPU, which he explained away as 'research' he was doing since he himself had been inappropriately diddled as a youngster . And hey, I saw him on Conan not too long ago! So apparently you can be a decent, law-abiding kiddie-porn connoisseur, depending on your politics and opinions on Negroes.

Watzy
01-06-2007, 02:40 AM
Perhaps he likes teens and a couple of 17-year-olds made it into his collection without his realising. A situation like that could be made into a case like this if you have the wrong people after you.

Does it matter? He eloquently accused Jews for immorality, pornography, child abuse, sexual white slavery and similar activities only to reveal himself as a perv and a hypocrite.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/Watzy_2/5894604_BG1.jpg :D
14 WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

il ragno
01-06-2007, 02:47 AM
"Revealed himself" how?

Well, he's accused, isn't he? And he's a white supremacist - what do ya need, a big neon GUILTY sign over his head?

Mentious
01-06-2007, 02:47 AM
If the child pornography in question involves children of the White race, then doesn't that mean that, technically speaking, Kevin Alfred Strom is behind bars tonight for loving his race?
Love and lust are completely different things.

Sulla the Dictator
01-06-2007, 02:50 AM
That Great American Sulla the Dictator sees nothing wrong with tossing out the notion of innocent until proven guilty. If Holy Gummint says it's so, then it's so.


White supremacists like yourself should disavow kiddie porn and child molestation. I don't see why you need to support stuff like that in order to achieve your 'pure white' homelands.

But hey, thats my silly Jew inspired view of 'right and wrong'. Far be it from me to suggest you remove a key element of your platform. :p

il ragno
01-06-2007, 02:58 AM
White supremacists like yourself should disavow kiddie porn and child molestation.

Since you share Glenn Miller's fondness for seizing and misrepresenting even sarcastic two-word replies, let me play your pissant little game and state it for the record:

I disavow kiddie porn and child molestation, as does everyone I know, racist or not, and I don't believe a word of these charges against Strom.

Of course you'd rather avoid everything else in my post; it probably still rankles you that Malvo turned rat on Mohammed.

Sulla the Dictator
01-06-2007, 03:07 AM
I disavow kiddie porn and child molestation, as does everyone I know


Good. You should campaign to have these planks from the white supremacist platform removed, for the safety of the children if nothing else.

I mean, who does that position even appeal to?

Maybe this could be a proactive campaign of yours. "Lets focus on the 14 words instead of the 14 year olds", or something like that. I'm glad that despite the leanings of your ideological bretheren, you can agree with me that touching children in that way is wrong.

Jim West
01-06-2007, 03:09 AM
It's a myth that "we're innocent until proven guilty". Actually, it's the other way around: "we're guilty until proven innocent". Because if the accused were truly believed to be innocent, he would not be place behind bars like a convicted criminal right from the get-go. Therefore, Strom is presumed GUILTY by the State, and unless he and his lawyer can prove his innocence, he will likely die in prison, along with Matt Hale.

il ragno
01-06-2007, 03:09 AM
I'm glad that you can agree with me that touching children in that way is wrong.

Sure.

Now tell us all the right way to fondle children.

Sulla the Dictator
01-06-2007, 03:11 AM
Sure.

Now tell us all the right way to fondle children.

Oh il ragno....(Shakes head).....there is no right way to fondle children. How deep does this ideology have its claws in you?

Mike
01-06-2007, 03:20 AM
1. Even if Strom is guilty, his elegant accusations stand.

2. Pet peeve: "hypocrite" is often misused in English. For instance, it's not hypocrisy when a person succumbs to temptation, believes he has done wrong, and regrets it. It's only hypocrisy when a person denounces something he doesn't believe is wrong at all. Since the basic facts in this matter are not established, much less the motivations behind them, hypocrisy is at best wooly conjecture.

Does it matter? He eloquently accused Jews for immorality, pornography, child abuse, sexual white slavery and similar activities only to reveal himself as a perv and a hypocrite.

il ragno
01-06-2007, 03:21 AM
Didja hear, Sulla? Strom had weapons of mass destruction stacked up like milk crates in his linen closet! So that's where they were...

As always, Sulla - all kidding aside - what's most sick-making about you and your ilk isn't your windbag posturing on Americanism (nobody takes that stuff seriously coming from the likes of you).....it's the unadulterated glee you take from seeing someone punished for their infradig opinions via the deus ex machina of false or nebulous charges...and if those charges are nominally/wholly unrelated to those opinions (as they'd have to be, given that Bolshevik First Amendment), so much the better!

There's something small about someone who'd clap his seal-flippers in joy at "justice", arrived at through rank injustice. Small - and innately repulsive.

Sulla the Dictator
01-06-2007, 03:24 AM
There's something small about someone who'd clap his seal-flippers in joy at justice arrived through rank injustice. Small - and innately repulsive.

Ooooh. I didn't know he was a MARTYR. He's a goddamned MARTYR! Just like Martin Lindstedt, or JESUS CHRIST! Good thing you can see the truth il ragno.

That is, unless you're wrong and he's got a picture of someone fondling a little kid.

That would make you out to be a bit of an idiot, yes? A complete ass, no?

Or would the shrine stay up?

il ragno
01-06-2007, 03:36 AM
But you see, here in America....it's okay to err on the side of innocence prior to trial!

And before you get a second wind over my use of "here in America", let's get this straight - just because neocon swill, sunshine patriots and real-estate hustlers strike heroic poses and loudly denounce Tha Evil Ones doesn't mean they love their country or that they retain intellectual-property rights to "America", it merely means they enjoy other people witnessing their empty displays of jingoistic hubris and thinking they do.

As for martyrs....you know, it takes two to make a martyr: one to swing the hammer and one to take the nail. How apropos that you should choose the hammer to sympathize with.

Mike
01-06-2007, 03:44 AM
Do you have a link to the article?
That is, unless you're wrong and he's got a picture of someone fondling a little kid.

| I, CWAS
01-06-2007, 03:51 AM
Well, first thing first, how can his actions be blamed on the Blacks and Jews? :viking:

Mentious
01-06-2007, 04:07 AM
White supremacists like yourself should disavow kiddie porn and child molestation. :p
You are using "kiddie porn" to create your own intended allusions. We certainly do not only disavow, but condemn, actual 'kiddie porn' and real child molestation.

All men get the desire to see the female form now and then. Strom is, in fact, a big lover of classical art featuring the tasteful female form, and at National Vanguard they have created some very beautiful, even spiritual graphics featuring the female body. It would be completely logical that such a male aficionado of the female form would have a rather large collection of nudes on his hard drive. He probably had whole folders of them, marked according to style, type, mood, etc. Where else would they get those excellent graphic elements? Here is one of the beautiful graphics Strom has been involved with creating:

http://julianlee.com/images/WhiteFemaleDivinity200.jpg

It is most likely that "four photos" Strom had were those of a sexually mature female who was technically not "of age." If Strom were a pedophile there would have been a lot of underage photos found. The fact that they are citing "four" implies that they picked through a larger group of photos until he found a "model" they knew to be technically underage, downloaded by the hapless Strom. Reports are that it is a deleted photo, found forensically. He may have deleted it precisely because he saw that she was young.

Most 17-year-olds are fully developed women. At that age nature makes the female the most attractive of all to a normal, red-blooded male. For most of our cultural history, a 17-year-old was easily marrying age.

The world will never see those four photos. They'll just hear "underage" "underage," with that translated into "child porn," "child porn." And now some knuckleheads say "kiddie porn." It's likely a straightforward persecution by the JudenReich.

il ragno
01-06-2007, 04:12 AM
Ooooh. I didn't know he was a MARTYR. He's a goddamned MARTYR! Just like Martin Lindstedt, or JESUS CHRIST! Good thing you can see the truth il ragno.


Note to self: for an American to be falsely accused or convicted of a heinous crime would disprove divinity of Christ. Therefore, no one is ever falsely accused or convicted. Unless they're from one of them, y'know, loser countries run by one of them, y'know, new Hitlers.

Starr
01-06-2007, 04:16 AM
The rest of them in a matter of time, I'm sure.


why are you so quick to assume these charges are true? Did you read the post that guy and rob roy posted? I know somebody who had something very similar happen to them, because of an ex-girlfriend. This was a guy I knew for the majority of my life I know he did not do what he was accused and convicted of and he is now a registered sex offender. These things happen. and this kind of thing does not even require a big, dark conspiracy.
I am not one to always write everything off as a conspiracy, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that certain people would do anything they could to throw someone like Strom in prison on a charge like this. Not only does that basically take him out of the picture, but it is a major stain on "racists" in general.

And even if he was a straight out pedophile, you find these people everywhere.

Shades of Revolution
01-06-2007, 04:21 AM
Knowledge of whether or not he was "set up" by anybody in terms of the actual images will have to wait until more information becomes public. Assuming he was set up based on what little information we have now is jumping the gun.

However, what I want to know now is how he can be facing more time than the maximum sentance dictates.

Brechun
01-06-2007, 04:24 AM
This is almost sickeningly ironic when you look at the kind of people ganging up on Hal Turner.

I wonder what Hal thought of his first experience with lolicon! :rofl:

Sulla the Dictator
01-06-2007, 04:25 AM
But you see, here in America....it's okay to err on the side of innocence prior to trial!


In America its okay to presume innocence. It isn't ok, however, to twist the Earth upside down to create a stupid little clown's world where it is impossible for him to be guilty.

And thats how il ragno operates, ladies and gents. Unless HE found the kiddie porn, or saw the dirty old man touching his grandson, and HE called the cops, its all a big frame up job by the Big Bad Government.

Thats right. The government which can't do anything properly Is Out To Get You!

And boy, do they do it. They get a guy's family to lie about what he did to their kid. They procur child pornography, and then with their own hands they put it on poor Kevin Storm's computer.

And what a THREAT he was. Thats the most important thing about how il ragno sees the world. Because if They are doing this, then that means you guys are DANGEROUS to 'Them'. So instead of being an internet shitheel whining about everything everyone else says or does, il ragno is a BRAVE REVOLUTIONARY who is part of a movement They are trying to silence.

So Kevin Storm is a bigtime martyr, not a disgusting loser pervert. Same with Marty Lindstedt, the guy who talked about mutilating women and putting them in fuck kennels. He's a martyr, not a psychopath with twisted ideas of human sexuality.

And il ragno, instead of being the muppet in whose life these two people are big noises, is the Truthseer! He's the one who has pierced the veil and see's how "Things Really Are". Oh boy does he. Like Fox Mulder without the badge.

So you see, he's a wise old soul and everyone else is either part of the conspiracy or a dupe.

Unless, of course, Martin Lindstedt touched that kid. Unless, of course, Kevin Storm actually had pictures of little girls. In that case, il ragnos just a complete asshole and pathetically desperate to cling to something special. Otherwise, all this time sure has been wasted. And what a shitty thing it would be to be a barnacle on the rotten hulls of perverts, criminals, and losers.

So....its got to be a frame job.

Beowulf
01-06-2007, 04:25 AM
I'm keeping an open mind until this unravels.

I seem to remember that the Jews want to link WN's with Peado's to ban us from the web .... timing of this seems strange.

Sulla the Dictator
01-06-2007, 04:28 AM
why are you so quick to assume these charges are true?


Because you people have no accountability. As we can see, its always someone elses fault. Always a trick. Always the gummint.

Its never you. YOU people never do the things you're accused of. You're always innocent, always the victim of ZOG operatives or whatever fantasy you want to invent for the occassion.

Its funny to me, how ridiculous you guys are when this stuff happens.

Mike
01-06-2007, 04:29 AM
why are you so quick to assume these charges are true? Did you read the post that guy and rob roy posted? I know somebody who had something very similar happen to them, because of an ex-girlfriend. This was a guy I knew for the majority of my life I know he did not do what he was accused and convicted of and he is now a registered sex offender. These things happen. and this kind of thing does not even require a big, dark conspiracy.
I am not one to always write everything off as a conspiracy, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that certain people would do anything they could to throw someone like Strom in prison on a charge like this. Not only does that basically take him out of the picture, but it is a major stain on "racists" in general.Let's all take a moment and think before leaping to any conclusions based on conjecture! Strom should be presumed innocent by us until we see the actual evidence. So should Elisha be. The fact that Elisha is disliked in some quarters does not invalidate the presumption of her innocence either. Let's at least hope that this is a frame-up, carried out entirely by the feds, and let's hope that the charges will be proven to be false.

And even if he was a straight out pedophile, you find these people everywhere.We are awaiting all the details from the MSM, but I am gathering from other fora that a total of four images were recovered from the harddrive as deleted files. Porn aficionados would normally have gigabytes of material, wouldn't they? This case is looking more bogus moment by moment.

Fissile
01-06-2007, 04:32 AM
That Great American Sulla the Dictator sees nothing wrong with tossing out the notion of innocent until proven guilty. If Holy Gummint says it's so, then it's so.

Anyone for Iraqi yellowcake?

I think we all have known for some time that the gray area between thought-crime and real-crime is rife for prosecutorial misconduct of this type. Since racists can't be cowed by the threat of exposure as racists, something viler must be employed.

But as always, the lead arrow in the State's quiver - the smoking gun, as it were - is the emblazoned WHITE SUPREMACIST, played up big at the front of the story. (That's supposed to be your cue to reflexively stick out your thumb, pointed down.)

We'll see. They tried to convince us all that white supremacists killed Matt Hale's sentencing judge; that the DC snipers were white supremacists; and that the Duke Lacrosse team, because they were burgeoning white supremacists, raped that stripper. Even Lindstedt isn't going to face any child molestation charges, now that they can shut him away in a madhouse to "help" him.

Sure hope Kevin Strom gets Pete Townsend's lawyer. 'Member lovable Pete? They found bonafide kiddie porn on his CPU, which he explained away as 'research' he was doing since he himself had been inappropriately diddled as a youngster . And hey, I saw him on Conan not too long ago! So apparently you can be a decent, law-abiding kiddie-porn connoisseur, depending on your politics and opinions on Negroes.

I don't know if the charges against Strom are true or not, but you make an interesting point.

Anyone remember Traci Lords(true name Nora Louise Kuzma)? She originally became famous after she appeared in the same Penthouse issue that contained the now famous Vanessa Williams inter-racial lesbo pics. Lords/Kuzma was 15 years old at the time.

Before she was 18, she performed in 20 hardcore porn shoots that were made into 100 different vids.

As far as I know, not one of the dozens of people involved in producing the vids was ever prosecuted, to say nothing of the millions who probably watched said vids.

Starr
01-06-2007, 04:33 AM
Another thing is that it would be awfully stupid for someone who is in a position to possibly believe, rationally or irrationally, that the feds are out to get them to have something like this sitting around on their computer.

Mentious
01-06-2007, 04:41 AM
We'll see. They tried to convince us all that white supremacists killed Matt Hale's sentencing judge; that the DC snipers were white supremacists; and that the Duke Lacrosse team, because they were burgeoning white supremacists, raped that stripper.
They also said that the two Columbine mass murderers were "White Supremacists," when in fact they were two Jewish kids who had formed the "Trench Coat Mafia" as a Jewish protection gang, and cried "We hate you White pieces of s--t!" as they were killing kids. The wide world is still basically unaware of this and still hangs with the original story they were fed by you-know-who.

Brechun
01-06-2007, 04:45 AM
They also said that the two Columbine mass murderers were "White Supremacists," when in fact they were two Jewish kids who had formed the "Trench Coat Mafia" as a Jewish protection gang, and cried "We hate you White pieces of s--t!" as they were killing kids. The wide world is still basically unaware of this and still hangs with the original story they were fed by you-know-who.

Betting they had ties to Mossad to take away our gun rights too. :rolleyes:

il ragno
01-06-2007, 04:48 AM
Because you people have no accountability. As we can see, its always someone elses fault. Always a trick. Always the gummint.

Its never you. YOU people never do the things you're accused of. You're always innocent, always the victim of ZOG operatives or whatever fantasy you want to invent for the occassion.


They tried to convince us all that white supremacists killed Matt Hale's sentencing judge; that the DC snipers were white supremacists; and that the Duke Lacrosse team, because they were burgeoning white supremacists, raped that stripper.

Go ahead, Sulla, you've almost got your entire foot in your mouth now - shove the rest in!

Vasily Zaitsev
01-06-2007, 04:48 AM
Strom may be guilty. I have a certain instinctive tendency to assume the worst about feminine males and Strom's appearance and voice have always triggered that response. This, however, is not evidence. It's simply my own prejudice.

Julian Lee's scenario, though, seems plausible. A person who digs internet porn, regardless of preference, is likely to have more than four pictures relating to their particular desires between their saved selections and what could be recovered from deleted files.

Mentious
01-06-2007, 04:51 AM
Here is a very informative quote from over at Stormfront with technical information about the case. The "karen.jpg" file they refer to was actually deleted files, and found forensically:

Note that the "karen.jpg" file and the other images were found amongst the "Unallocated Clusters" of his hard drive. That means the images were deleted, and forensics recovered (or attempted to recover) the files.

When a deleted file goes into "Unallocated Clusters," parts of the file may be overwritten. It is possible that these "karen.jpg" files did exist (at one time) on his computer, but were of adult porn images, or of something completely innocuous.

There may be a set of "Karen" child pornography files in circulation that are known to forensics investigators. So when they forensically discover a file named karen.jpg existed on this computer, they treat it as though it's confirmed child porn because of the file name, even though the file may not be readable anymore. This would be extremely flimsy evidence, but they would press charges anyway, hoping that the suspect would cop a plea. With the climate of hysteria around child sexual abuse, a suspect might cop a plea even if he was innocent and the files were innocuous, fearing that a jury would convict him even on that flimsy evidence. So they may be pressing charges against Kevin Strom because they have an axe to grind with him, hoping he'll cop a plea.
Reportedly, I a federal agent looked Strom in the eye at the 'Doles sentencing' and said "You'll be next."
JTTF operative Joe Thompson spoke only in whispers throughout the hearing and did not address the court. But later, when Dr. Ellis and I had just finished saying our good-byes to Mr. Marger downstairs, Thompson turned from the group he was with and addressed Dr. Ellis and me, asking us, in a voice loud enough to be heard everywhere in the lobby, if we were staying in Georgia. He then pointed at each of us in turn, saying “I’ll be seeing you next.” Most unprofessional conduct, in my opinion.

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=2504

il ragno
01-06-2007, 04:55 AM
Jaybird found this on VNN:

In October of 05 we were driving to Arizona for the NV Eurofest and Elisha called me on our cell phone. She was screaming hysterically and wanted me to relay a message to Kevin that "the phone had been shut off" and that " he didnt pay the damn phone bill". She also stated that she "wouldnt be here when he gets back, he always goes on these trips without me etc..." when we got to Phoenix we told Kevin and later he explained that the phone was not shut off,it just was not connected properly and so the connection was on and off and that he could explain to her how to fix it if she would call him.

A few months later when the Colorado and Florida guys were complaining about Kevin's lack of ability to get things out on time I mentioned to a fellow member that "maybe Kevin and Elisha are having marital troubles and that is effecting his work". I had long suspected that she had been deleting my messages from their answering machine and from his email and my articles from the National Vanguard submission account. Kevin confirmed months later that she had access to all of this and that might have been where the articles or messages that I sent ended up. Anyway, this fellow member told another fellow member who in a "genious" move posted that info on the internet like it was fact. Elisha hit the ceiling. I called to appologize but she wouldn't hear of it. I tried to appologize again in May at the NJ conference but she said " April, get away from me, I dont want to cause a scene here today". After all the scandelous lies that have been written about me, I thought she was overreacting, especially since my appology was sincere and since it was only stated out of concern for them and for our organization.

Then in March of last year Kevin called me and told me that Elisha had attacked him and slammed one of those big heavy old fashioned phones down on his head and he had to get 8 stitches. Also, he told me that she had destroyed several one of a kind Reviolo Oliver taped interviews in a fit of rage because they had his ex wife on them. He also then told me that she had found some porn on his computer and that is was of adult females but that she freaked out and called him a pervert. ( as a wife I kindof can understand her being pissed) Then he told me that she had threatened to "get even" with him and that he was afraid that she would plant something on his computer since she had been openly calling him a "pervert, child molester" in front of their daughter ( Elisha's biological daughter but Kevin's stepdaughter) At this point I told him that he should have reported her to the police for assaulting him and should tape the threats that she was making. He said that he wanted to " save our marriage" ....and that he had "caused her alot of pain when she saw that porn" and that he wanted to help her and that she was having some psychological self esteem problems at the time.

Now as a mother I have to ask. If this was true about Kevin and what she suspected, then why would she have continued to stay in the house with her daughter? And why was she hanging all over him at the NJ conference?? Also, why would he mention this to me in March then continue to have stuff on his computer???

The bad thing about these kinds of things is that even if a guy is innocent and is declared innocent in a court of law his reputation of forever ruined.

Mentious
01-06-2007, 05:07 AM
It just occurred to me: These files could have even gotten onto Strom's computer via porn spam, or even spyware. I receive approximately 20-30 porn spams a day. Spammers harvest my email address easily from the internet, where I have a few sites posting different email addresses of mine. Some of the porn spam has pictures and graphics, and some of it obviously promotes child porn. Even though my software is set not to display these, they are still there. I routinely delete these, but of course this stuff remains on your computer, able to be forensically recovered. I constantly find grody photos of the porn spammers in certain email folders associated with my email program, and have to delete them manually by hand. This is very common for many now, since the Feds don't care spit about porn, or about child sexual exploitation.

Even aside from this state of affairs everybody faces, someone could have even "salted" Strom's computer with porn spams prior to the sting. This is quite obviously a witchhunt by the JudenReich and nothing more.

Petyr Baelish
01-06-2007, 05:10 AM
So much for presumption of innocence.

There is no presumption of innocence in child pornography cases, and no way to salvage one's reputation even if one is acquited in court. While not a big fan of Strom or the NA, I would not wish his current fate upon my worst enemy.

il ragno
01-06-2007, 05:11 AM
It just occurred to me: These files could have even gotten onto Strom's computer via porn spam, or even spyware. I receive approximately 20-30 porn spams a day, including some with pictures and graphics. (Even though my software is set not to display these, they are still there.) Some of them involved child porn. Spammers harvest my email address easily from the internet, where I have a few sites posting different email addresses of mine.

I routinely delete these, but of course this stuff remains on your computer, able to be forensically recovered. I constantly find grody photos of the porn spammers in certain email folders associated with my email program, and have to delete them manually by hand.


Ragno's Law of Commonplace Transgression: 11 out of every 10 impounded PCs will yield something that can prompt prosecution and conviction... if the impounders have a bug up their ass where you're concerned.

Starr
01-06-2007, 05:16 AM
It just occurred to me: These files could have even gotten onto Strom's computer via porn spam, or even spyware.

Yes, I thought about that also. I have had a lot of problems with a lot of this crap, and it pops up out of nowhere when I am on the net at times. A friend of mine was complaining not too long ago about how her young son was on the net looking up completely innocent information for a report for school when he started getting some rather disusting porno style pop ups.

I don't even want to think of some of the weird things that could be on my computer that I am not even aware of.

Jake Featherston
01-06-2007, 05:28 AM
So much for presumption of innocence.

Yeah, indeed. I mean, in this day and age, its not exactly inconceivabe that one of the government's most outspoken opponents might have had four .jpeg files slipped onto a newly-created sub-directory by some hacker via his broadband connection, now is it? Philo-semitic hackers are taking down pro-White sites almost weekly now (StormFront, Original Dissent, Hal Turner's on-line "radio" site), and yet we're supposed to imagine that's the absolute extent of their activities? And if there actually was any child pornography on Mr. Strom's hard-drive, how the Hell did the Feds know it was there (unless maybe they were tipped off by the hacker who inserted it there?)

Otherwise, chances are Mr. Strom and his wife have a daughter or niece named Karen, and these were completely innocent photos of the child taking a bath or whatnot, in a sub-directory that was part of a larger, family photo album directory.

Anything's possible, but I'm damn well going to have to see the evidence before I take these charges remotely seriously.

Vasily Zaitsev
01-06-2007, 05:31 AM
...but I'm damn well going to have to see the evidence before I take these charges remotely seriously.

Chomo. :D

Shades of Revolution
01-06-2007, 05:39 AM
Here is a very informative quote from over at Stormfront full of technical information about the case. The "karen.jpg" file they refer to was actually deleted files, and found forensically:

How did the SF poster get access to this information?

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 05:56 AM
I never cared for national vanguard, their articles are painfully subjective.





Now thats alot considering that the max for average child porno case is 10 years and murder is at minimum 25 years. But I don't have an extensive knowledge of the justice system, correct me if I'm wrong/miscalculating.

Yes, but you have to remember, failing to vehemently and clearly rebuke an informant/instigator for the fiftieth time landed Matt Hale in prison for forty years.


People shouldn't rush to judgment on this. The article said Strom claims this is bogus. Given how the criminal justice system operates when it comes to White leaders, I don't think it's farfetched that this is bogus. Think about it, some 17 year old antifa chick could have emailed him pornographic photos of herself, and claimed to have been 25. Then, if Strom fails to not only delete the pics, but to use some sort of diskwipe program to make them unrecoverable by ZOG, all she has to do is send an anonymous tip that he has "child porn" on his computer, LE gets a warrant, seizes his computer, and finds the aforementioned 17 year old's pornographic photos. Voila! Child porn.

Jake Featherston
01-06-2007, 06:02 AM
But you see, here in America....it's okay to err on the side of innocence prior to trial

Particularly in light of the fact that other than for media reports as to the apparent fact he's been placed under arrest, and the alleged existence of a picture file linked to the name "Karen," none of us have seen any evidence which remotely suggests that he is guilty of violating any law what-so-ever. Giving the guy the benefit of the doubt in the face of massive evidence is one thing; there ain't no evidence at all yet, and there's probably never really going to be. Just a (perhaps accurate) assumption that any "White Supremacist," or swastika-emblazoned ham sandwich, that gets put on trial on pedophilia-related charges is going to get convicted under a lesser standard of evidence than beyond a reasonable doubt.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:06 AM
U.S. District Court
Western District of Virginia (Charlottesville)
CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 3:07-cr-00001-nkm-ALL


Case title: USA v. Strom
Date Filed: 01/03/2007Assigned to: Judge Norman K. Moon
DefendantKevin Alfred Strom (1) represented byAndrea S. Lantz Harris
OFFICE OF THE FEDERAL PUBLIC DEFENDER - WDVA
255 W.MAIN STREET, ROOM 218
CHARLOTTESVILE, VA 22902
US
434-220-8606
Fax: 295-8909
Email: andrea_harris@fd.org
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
Designation: Public Defender or Community Defender Appointment
Pending Counts
DispositionACTIVITIES RE MATERIAL CONSTITUTING/CONTAINING CHILD PORNO; 18 USC ? 2252A(a)(5)(B); (b)(2)- (8/4/06)
(1)TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS, VICTIM OR INFORMANT; 18 USC ? 1512(c)(2)- (10/17/05)
(2)
Highest Offense Level (Opening)Felony
Terminated Counts
DispositionNone
Highest Offense Level (Terminated)None
Complaints
DispositionNone
PlaintiffUSA represented byWilliam F. Gould
UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE
255 WEST MAIN STREET
CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA 22902
434-293-4283
Fax: 434-293-4910
Email: william.gould@usdoj.gov
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
Date Filed

#

Docket Text

01/03/20071 (https://ecf.vawd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_case_doc?1,62942,,,,,6)MOTION to Seal Case by USA as to Sealed Deft. #1. (mab, ) 01/03/20072 (https://ecf.vawd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_case_doc?2,62942,,,,,8)ORDER granting 1 (https://ecf.vawd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_case_doc?1,62942,,,,,) Motion to Seal Case as to Sealed Deft. #1 (1). Signed by Judge B. Waugh Crigler on 1/3/2007. (mab, ) 01/03/20073 (https://ecf.vawd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_case_doc?3,62942,,,,,10)SEALED INDICTMENTas to Sealed Deft. #1 (1) count(s) 1, 2. (mab, ) 01/04/20077 (https://ecf.vawd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_case_doc?7,62942,,,,,28)Minute Entry for proceedings held before Judge B. Waugh Crigler :Initial Appearance as to Sealed Deft. #1 held on 1/4/2007 (Court Reporter Michele Bottiglieri, FTR.) (mab, ) 01/04/20078 (https://ecf.vawd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_case_doc?8,62942,,,,,37)ORDER OF TEMPORARY DETENTION as to Kevin Alfred Strom Bond Hearing set for 1/5/2007 02:00 PM in Charlottesville before Magistrate Judge B. Waugh Crigler.. Signed by Judge B. Waugh Crigler on 1/4/2007. (mab, ) 01/04/20079 (https://ecf.vawd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_case_doc?9,62942,,,,,39)NOTICE OF HEARING as to Kevin Alfred Strom Arraignment set for 1/5/2007 02:00 PM in Charlottesville before Magistrate Judge B. Waugh Crigler. Bond Hearing set for 1/5/2007 02:00 PM in Charlottesville before Magistrate Judge B. Waugh Crigler. (mab, )


Notice there is a "Sealed Defendant #1." To me, this indicates there is a confidential informant who is technically a co-defendant of Strom's. It says there would have been a bond hearing at 2 PM today. Any news how that went. DE #9 is the last docket entry.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:08 AM
Pending Counts
DispositionACTIVITIES RE MATERIAL CONSTITUTING/CONTAINING CHILD PORNO; 18 USC ? 2252A(a)(5)(B); (b)(2)- (8/4/06)
(1)TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS, VICTIM OR INFORMANT; 18 USC ? 1512(c)(2)- (10/17/05)
(2)
Highest Offense Level (Opening)Felony
Terminated Counts
DispositionNone
Highest Offense Level (Terminated)None
Complaints
DispositionNone
PlaintiffUSA represented byWilliam F. Gould
UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS OFFICE
255 WEST MAIN STREET
CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA 22902
434-293-4283
Fax: 434-293-4910
Email: william.gould@usdoj.gov
LEAD ATTORNEY
ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
Date Filed


See also that he charged with "tampering with a witness, victim, or "informant."

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:10 AM
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001512----000-.html



(c) Whoever corruptly—
(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or
(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so,

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:11 AM
Really? Because I assume its a six year old girl he took some snapshots of and forgot to erase.

But hey, I guess anything goes once you throw off the 'shackles' of "Jewish controlled" Western civilization.


You would assume that because your Talmud tells you such is A-OK.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:13 AM
The WN sphere lacks leaders of moral responsibility. Strom's arrest is just further evidence of that. He kinked out with some child porn, and now he got nabbed. Nevertheless, new and better pro-white leaders will come along. One with great promise runs this site:

http://www.wardkendall.com/kendall-proclamation.htm

Indeed, PORC. Because you are just all in favor of what's good for White Nationalism. :rofl:

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:30 AM
For some reason the Phora does not allow attachments, so here is a link to a VNN post where I uploaded the indictment:


http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=480627&postcount=90

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:31 AM
For some reason the Phora does not allow attachments, so here is a link to a VNN post where I uploaded the indictment:


http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=480627&postcount=90


If you get "SERVICE TEMPORARILY UNAVAILABLE" just hit refresh.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:38 AM
For some reason the Phora does not allow attachments, so here is a link to a VNN post where I uploaded the indictment:


http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=480627&postcount=90


Interesting segment from Indictment:

http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=480635&postcount=97

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:41 AM
In America its okay to presume innocence. It isn't ok, however, to twist the Earth upside down to create a stupid little clown's world where it is impossible for him to be guilty.

And thats how il ragno operates, ladies and gents. Unless HE found the kiddie porn, or saw the dirty old man touching his grandson, and HE called the cops, its all a big frame up job by the Big Bad Government.

Thats right. The government which can't do anything properly Is Out To Get You!

And boy, do they do it. They get a guy's family to lie about what he did to their kid. They procur child pornography, and then with their own hands they put it on poor Kevin Storm's computer.

And what a THREAT he was. Thats the most important thing about how il ragno sees the world. Because if They are doing this, then that means you guys are DANGEROUS to 'Them'. So instead of being an internet shitheel whining about everything everyone else says or does, il ragno is a BRAVE REVOLUTIONARY who is part of a movement They are trying to silence.

So Kevin Storm is a bigtime martyr, not a disgusting loser pervert. Same with Marty Lindstedt, the guy who talked about mutilating women and putting them in fuck kennels. He's a martyr, not a psychopath with twisted ideas of human sexuality.

And il ragno, instead of being the muppet in whose life these two people are big noises, is the Truthseer! He's the one who has pierced the veil and see's how "Things Really Are". Oh boy does he. Like Fox Mulder without the badge.

So you see, he's a wise old soul and everyone else is either part of the conspiracy or a dupe.

Unless, of course, Martin Lindstedt touched that kid. Unless, of course, Kevin Storm actually had pictures of little girls. In that case, il ragnos just a complete asshole and pathetically desperate to cling to something special. Otherwise, all this time sure has been wasted. And what a shitty thing it would be to be a barnacle on the rotten hulls of perverts, criminals, and losers.

So....its got to be a frame job.


Nice attempt at muddying the waters by bringing Lindstedt in to this, when no one but you has brought him up. Certainly il ragno didnt bring him up, and I have never seen il ragno defend Lindstedt. You are a dirty kike who slanders, and deceives, and lies to make his points.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:43 AM
Let's all take a moment and think before leaping to any conclusions based on conjecture! Strom should be presumed innocent by us until we see the actual evidence. So should Elisha be. The fact that Elisha is disliked in some quarters does not invalidate the presumption of her innocence either. Let's at least hope that this is a frame-up, carried out entirely by the feds, and let's hope that the charges will be proven to be false.

We are awaiting all the details from the MSM, but I am gathering from other fora that a total of four images were recovered from the harddrive as deleted files. Porn aficionados would normally have gigabytes of material, wouldn't they? This case is looking more bogus moment by moment.


Read the indictment, it actually seems to be ONE file, which was found in four "unallocated clusters" and entitled karen.jpg

Mentious
01-06-2007, 06:47 AM
Then all thinking men will easily see that this is a witchhunt.

I think by average standards today, everybody will say: "What a clean computer. That guy sure lives pretty clean."

Vasily Zaitsev
01-06-2007, 06:47 AM
Indeed it is one file four different times.

This doesn't sound like anyone's porn collection, babyfucker or otherwise.

Mike
01-06-2007, 06:47 AM
Well, that link confirms the fact that the image evidence was in a deleted state on the hard drive, assuming "unallocated clusters" is not the name of a non-deleted directory (unlikely). Four deleted images, from a computer seized without warning, in a reasonable world would be a weak case.

For some reason the Phora does not allow attachments, so here is a link to a VNN post where I uploaded the indictment:


http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=480627&postcount=90

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:49 AM
How did the SF poster get access to this information?

It's in the indictment.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:52 AM
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=480649&postcount=108

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:55 AM
Notice there is a "Sealed Defendant #1." To me, this indicates there is a confidential informant who is technically a co-defendant of Strom's. It says there would have been a bond hearing at 2 PM today. Any news how that went. DE #9 is the last docket entry.


Never mind on the "Sealed Defendant" business. They sealed the indictment of Strom prior to his apprehension.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 07:02 AM
If I knew what time the case was filed, I could prognosticate a lot more.


Julian:

Very interesting astrological analysis. I checked, and couldn't get the time of filing, BUT, the file stamp on the indictment is January 3, 2007, and it is get this, case no 07-CR-00001. In the federal court filing system, this means that it was the FIRST case filed in 2007. Since the federal gov't was close don the 2nd for Ford's death, this makes sense, and it would indicate that it was filed early in the morning, by 8:30 or 9:00 AM.


Hope this helps.


John

kane123123/Eagle Eye/stumbler/iceman
01-06-2007, 07:04 AM
I don't know that he is guilty, and he may not be, and I'll be honest there are more annoying people than him, but if this is true, it'll be a blow to his movement.

Of course, I don't consider myself, though a race realist, to be part of Kevin Strom's movement, so it doesn't directly effect me.

Shades of Revolution
01-06-2007, 07:07 AM
It's in the indictment.

I'm pretty sure that he can't be charged as long as he took reasonable measures to delete it. Reasonable measures being deleting it and emptying the recycle bin, providing you don't have software on your computer to recover the deleted file.

As it stands now, based on what we know for certain at this point, the state can't prove whether he willingly downloaded this picture or if he came across it mistakenly and took the lawful steps to get rid of it.

I don't forsee him getting convicted on the child pornography count. He might however get convicted for obstruction of justice, which would be kind of sad considering that he apparently brought that charge on himself to protect himself from the other charge which might not even stick.

Mike
01-06-2007, 07:18 AM
I don't know that he is guilty, and he may not be, and I'll be honest there are more annoying people than him, but if this is true, it'll be a blow to his movement.

Of course, I don't consider myself, though a race realist, to be part of Kevin Strom's movement, so it doesn't directly effect me.
This case should concern you, and every American. The prima facie evidence is that the US federal government is perpetrating a frame-job of a dissident citizen. This should make you think about your own rights. If it is a frame-job as I suspect, it should also make you think more about Jewish power in this country.

Thomas777
01-06-2007, 07:27 AM
Thoughts:

1) Strom seems an unlikely target for a "frame up" job. The guy was never really relevant, as the NA essentially collapsed after the death of Pierce. As of late, Strom became even more obscure and less visible. If the government wanted to knock a pawn off the table, why go after Strom? In Hale's case, one of Hale's accolytes had gone on a murder spree, the usual suspects started screaming for Hale's indictment, and when it was not forthcoming, law enforcement was embarressed. In fact, people still discuss the issue here regularly. In Strom's case, what would really be gained by some ASA if he jammed up Strom? Nobody even knows who the hell Strom is.

2) Somebody raised the issue that the contraband that is alleged to have been stored on Strom's computer may have been less lascivious than indicated...i.e. it may have been "teen" oriented material. Even if we are to entertain this hypothesis, it begs the question as to why Strom would store such material on his computer, as he is on perfect notice that the possession of such material is a criminal offense that carries serious penalties, and there is an abundance of accessible pornographic material that is available that is compliant with the Federal Penal Code and those of the several states.

I am reserving judgment, but I have no reason to believe that Strom would be targeted for malicious prosecution or actually framed. He simply is not visible, active, important enough to warrant such an inference.

Shades of Revolution
01-06-2007, 07:31 AM
A frame-up job is pretty out there, if he thinks he's being framed I think he's taking himself a bit too seriously.
From what I've seen so far, it just looks to me like he's getting railroaded.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 07:36 AM
Thoughts:

1) Strom seems an unlikely target for a "frame up" job. The guy was never really relevant, as the NA essentially collapsed after the death of Pierce. As of late, Strom became even more obscure and less visible. If the government wanted to knock a pawn off the table, why go after Strom? In Hale's case, one of Hale's accolytes had gone on a murder spree, the usual suspects started screaming for Hale's indictment, and when it was not forthcoming, law enforcement was embarressed. In fact, people still discuss the issue here regularly. In Strom's case, what would really be gained by some ASA if he jammed up Strom? Nobody even knows who the hell Strom is.

I guarantee in Charlottesville, VA, where the US District Court is that this is being pursued in, people know who Strom is, as that's where he lives. And furthermore, the U.S. Attorney knows who Strom is, and more importantly, AG Gonzales, jew Chertoff, and President Bush know who Strom is. Therefore, for a U.S. Attorney in the Western District of Virginia, this would potentially impress his superiors sufficiently to advance his career.

Mike
01-06-2007, 07:41 AM
Right. A man should face thirty years in prison for having four deleted images on his hard drive, assuming that a federal agent didn't plant them there himself. And this has nothing to do with his politics? Where are the other images? Where is the history of Strom being a danger to children? Don't most paedaphiles have a documented habit? Strom is 50, or about. Isn't the most likely explanation of facts that these charges are simply crap?

Thoughts:

1) Strom seems an unlikely target for a "frame up" job. The guy was never really relevant, as the NA essentially collapsed after the death of Pierce. As of late, Strom became even more obscure and less visible. If the government wanted to knock a pawn off the table, why go after Strom? In Hale's case, one of Hale's accolytes had gone on a murder spree, the usual suspects started screaming for Hale's indictment, and when it was not forthcoming, law enforcement was embarressed. In fact, people still discuss the issue here regularly. In Strom's case, what would really be gained by some ASA if he jammed up Strom? Nobody even knows who the hell Strom is.

2) Somebody raised the issue that the contraband that is alleged to have been stored on Strom's computer may have been less lascivious than indicated...i.e. it may have been "teen" oriented material. Even if we are to entertain this hypothesis, it begs the question as to why Strom would store such material on his computer, as he is on perfect notice that the possession of such material is a criminal offense that carries serious penalties, and there is an abundance of accessible pornographic material that is available that is compliant with the Federal Penal Code and those of the several states.

I am reserving judgment, but I have no reason to believe that Strom would be targeted for malicious prosecution or actually framed. He simply is not visible, active, important enough to warrant such an inference.

Thomas777
01-06-2007, 07:44 AM
I guarantee in Charlottesville, VA, where the US District Court is that this is being pursued in, people know who Strom is, as that's where he lives. And furthermore, the U.S. Attorney knows who Strom is, and more importantly, AG Gonzales, jew Chertoff, and President Bush know who Strom is. Therefore, for a U.S. Attorney in the Western District of Virginia, this would potentially impress his superiors sufficiently to advance his career.

You may be right, but I can think of about 10 other people off the top of my head who put way more of a weed up FedGov's ass than Kevin Strom.

Look, I am pro-Defense...both as a man who takes liberty seriously, and as an attorney. Far be it from me to cheer on the State when the DOJ decides to step on somebody's neck. That said, I think we should reserve judgment and not rush to conclusions until more facts are revealed.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 07:45 AM
I think it was just one file, but I can't really tell from the indictment, all that stupid legalese. Even if it were four, and they were deleted, they have nothing on him. 4 deleted images on a 40gb hard drive? Chertoff has more than that on his computer.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 07:47 AM
So much for presumption of innocence.
When you live in a judaized society, this is to be expected.

Thomas777
01-06-2007, 07:47 AM
Right. A man should face thirty years in prison for having four deleted images on his hard drive, assuming that a federal agent didn't plant them there himself. And this has nothing to do with his politics? Where are the other images? Where is the history of Strom being a danger to children? Don't most paedaphiles have a documented habit? Strom is 50, or about. Isn't the most likely explanation of facts that these charges are simply crap?

No, not right and I can tell you a lot of horror stories about inequitable sentencing. That said, its not very smart to collect contraband, especially if you are somebody who holds the sort of political beliefs as does Mr. Strom.

Its not right that people are bounced into detention for possessing arbitrarily scheduled controlled substances either...the fact that its not right does not mean that I am going to start collecting them in my home or carrying them on my person.

Helios Panoptes
01-06-2007, 07:48 AM
A personal anecdote:

A few years ago, when I was a teenager, I used to "OP" a DC hub, which basically means that I moderated it. It was a music oriented hub, but often users would share other things, such text files, video files, and images; presumably because they were in other hubs at the time which were oriented towards that content. To determine if they were breaking the few rules, such as against sharing porno, I would have to sample their files. Needless to say, this turned up some inappropriate images. None of them were pedophilic porn that I downloaded, but many had titles indicating that they were child porn. I banned those users immediately without DLing, but I easily could have picked up an image here or there by checking ambiguously titled files.

Anyway, the point is that it is very easy to innocently wind up with a couple of illegal files on one's computer.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 08:01 AM
You may be right, but I can think of about 10 other people off the top of my head who put way more of a weed up FedGov's ass than Kevin Strom.

Look, I am pro-Defense...both as a man who takes liberty seriously, and as an attorney. Far be it from me to cheer on the State when the DOJ decides to step on somebody's neck. That said, I think we should reserve judgment and not rush to conclusions until more facts are revealed.

Well, that's well and good, and I agree with your general outlook. I'm undefeated at criminal defense, while at the same time, the one case I was asked to prosecute as a Special prosecutor because our local prosecutor had a conflict, I actually LOST. So you can imagine that I assume almost anyone is innocent, whatever the charge, until I've seen the evidence or some reasonable indication that there is evidence. Neither is present here. Four "unallocated clusters" comprising a single file?!? That does not a child pornographer make.

Mentious
01-06-2007, 08:03 AM
I am reserving judgment, but I have no reason to believe that Strom would be targeted for malicious prosecution or actually framed. He simply is not visible, active, important enough to warrant such an inference.
Strom has been a major leader even with a sabbatical lately. He is probably one of the most visible besides David Duke. You think the government or the JudenReich have short memories?

Thomas777
01-06-2007, 08:14 AM
Well, that's well and good, and I agree with your general outlook. I'm undefeated at criminal defense, while at the same time, the one case I was asked to prosecute as a Special prosecutor because our local prosecutor had a conflict, I actually LOST. So you can imagine that I assume almost anyone is innocent, whatever the charge, until I've seen the evidence or some reasonable indication that there is evidence. Neither is present here. Four "unallocated clusters" comprising a single file?!? That does not a child pornographer make.

I presume that people are innocent as well. I've done criminal defense work myself and I spent a couple of years as a post-conviction advocate, and I laud you for your defense work and your commitment to justice.

That said, I'm also not going to presume that Strom was investigated and subsequently indicted without probable cause.

Kodos
01-06-2007, 08:20 AM
AG Gonzales, jew Chertoff, and President Bush know who Strom is.

The gods (stupid and venal as these may be) don't generally concern themselves enough with a lowly nut like this to look down and smite them from on high. Not without an angle...

Hes been targeted (nobody has a porn collection of one file) but its a local job.

Thomas777
01-06-2007, 08:20 AM
Strom has been a major leader even with a sabbatical lately. He is probably one of the most visible besides David Duke. You think the government or the JudenReich have short memories?

I think that Matt Hale's rights were abrogated during the course of the investigation that resulted in his ultimate conviction for solicitation. Hale was an individual who was very visible in Illinois...he courted the spotlite and he became a lightning rod for controversey after the Benjaman Smith incidents. A lot of people lost face after the homicides attributed to Smith failed to result in the indictment of Hale and his inner circle. It is perfectly reasonable to allege that ultimately indicting and convicting Hale for a serious offense or series of offenses became a high priority of the US Atty's office. The same cannot be said for Strom. That is the point that I was making.

Kodos
01-06-2007, 08:27 AM
I think that Matt Hale's rights were abrogated during the course of the investigation that resulted in his ultimate conviction for solicitation. Hale was an individual who was very visible in Illinois...he courted the spotlite and he became a lightning rod for controversey after the Benjaman Smith incidents. A lot of people lost face after the homicides attributed to Smith failed to result in the indictment of Hale and his inner circle. It is perfectly reasonable to allege that ultimately indicting and convicting Hale for a serious offense or series of offenses became a high priority of the US Atty's office. The same cannot be said for Strom. That is the point that I was making.

Someone local wanted to nail him for whatever reason as this case smells like total bullshit from the start (worse then that chicks case who accused Kobe Bryant of rape).

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 08:41 AM
I hope this has the unintended consequence of rallying the faithful. It seems to have that potential. Maybe someone might actually start shooting our oppressors.

Kodos
01-06-2007, 08:45 AM
I hope this has the unintended consequence of rallying the faithful. It seems to have that potential. Maybe someone might actually start shooting our oppressors.

Im getting a Glenn Miller snitch entrapment vibe from this post.

Starr
01-06-2007, 08:50 AM
I hope this has the unintended consequence of rallying the faithful. It seems to have that potential. Maybe someone might actually start shooting our oppressors.


that would be the last thing we would need right now. "white supremacist" on a rampage. Someone taking out a few people would get us nowhere, except a prison term for this person and more bad press. The media and our enemies would love it. Don't go into brutus mode.:222:

Kodos
01-06-2007, 08:52 AM
that would be the last thing we would need right now. "white supremacist" on a rampage. The media would love that. Don't go into brutus mode.:222:

See my post.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 08:55 AM
that would be the last thing we would need right now. "white supremacist" on a rampage. Someone taking out a few people would get us nowhere, except a prison term for this person and more bad press. The media and our enemies would love it. Don't go into brutus mode.:222:
Haha I'm not that talented of an artist! :rolleyes:

Mike
01-06-2007, 08:58 AM
For now. Eventually something hardcore is going to be needed. No need to read Dr. Pierce or Alex Linder. Simply read Thomas Jefferson. God bless America!

that would be the last thing we would need right now. "white supremacist" on a rampage. Someone taking out a few people would get us nowhere, except a prison term for this person and more bad press. The media and our enemies would love it. Don't go into brutus mode.:222:

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 08:59 AM
Im getting a Glenn Miller snitch entrapment vibe from this post.

Wanna hang out at my trailer and get drunk while we write out our declaration of war, Kodos?

Dear ZOG,

Weave had it. Day of teh roop is comeing.

Sined,

Empurer Palpestein and DWW.

Mike
01-06-2007, 09:04 AM
I wish I could "declare war" and live to talk about it! Glenn Miller is my hero.

Wanna hang out at my trailer and get drunk while we write out our declaration of war, Kodos?

Dear ZOG,

Weave had it. Day of teh roop is comeing.

Sined,

Empurer Palpestein and DWW.

Kodos
01-06-2007, 09:06 AM
For now. Eventually something hardcore is going to be needed. No need to read Dr. Pierce or Alex Linder. Simply read Thomas Jefferson. God bless America!

You need a critical mass of people who hate the government for similar and sympathizers within the elite and the military command (the radical left otoh has everything except military sympathy)... This you don't have any of.

Or become President and gain total control through Machiavellian cleverness and complete ruthlessness.

This could change when to continue paying social security benefits the government prints out 10 times the amount of money currently in circulation and tries to insist there isn't any inflation... and eventually the economy collapses (coupled with a likely severe gas shortage).

Starr
01-06-2007, 09:12 AM
We should probably move away from this subject.

Kodos
01-06-2007, 09:14 AM
Yes... as im sure DWW phrase about the oppressors probably flagged this thread for ECHELON.

Mike
01-06-2007, 09:17 AM
You need a critical mass of people who hate the government for similar and sympathizers within the elite and the military command (the radical left otoh has everything except military sympathy)... This you don't have any of. It would help greatly to have one even gentile Anglo-Saxon upper class out-of-sight fellow on our side. I'm not holding my breath.

Or become President and gain total control through Machiavellian cleverness and complete ruthlessness.

This could change when to continue paying social security benefits the government prints out 10 times the amount of money currently in circulation and tries to insist there isn't any inflation... and eventually the economy collapses (coupled with a likely severe gas shortage).Options open as fortunes decline. There are tens of millions of White Americans on this continent. Jews are counting on them going extinct without a fight. Needless to say, I believe they will fight, before it's done.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 09:19 AM
Daaayem, I'm going to hide under my bed now, and pull the battery from my cell phone so the oppressors can't find me! :gone:

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 09:22 AM
We should probably move away from this subject.

Yeah, it's off topic anyway. :offtopic: Stop looking around the room Starry!

Kodos
01-06-2007, 09:25 AM
Options open as fortunes decline. There are tens of millions of White Americans on this continent. Jews are counting on them going extinct without a fight. Needless to say, I believe they will fight, before it's done.


Why do you insist on bringing a jewish conspiracy angle into it without evidence.

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 09:30 AM
And boy, do they do it. They get a guy's family to lie about what he did to their kid. They procur child pornography, and then with their own hands they put it on poor Kevin Storm's computer.


I could have your computer silently download hundred of child pornography images without you knowing one bit of it just by sending you a well-scripted, clean looking e-mail.

Mike
01-06-2007, 09:34 AM
Options open as fortunes decline. There are tens of millions of White Americans on this continent. Jews are counting on them going extinct without a fight. Needless to say, I believe they will fight, before it's done.


Why do you insist on bringing a jewish conspiracy angle into it without evidence.
Because, unfortunately, the Anglo-Saxons in this country are finished. They have been sucking Jewish dick for a while. It's pathetic. Basic facts today:

1. The media is Jew-conrolled
2. Foreign policy is Jew-controlled

Jewish influence extends past these areas though. You call me a conspiracy theorist; I call you a coincidence theorist. I am right and you are wrong.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 09:35 AM
Ever hear of people like Max Boot, Kodos?

Jake Featherston
01-06-2007, 09:44 AM
Nice attempt at muddying the waters by bringing Lindstedt in to this, when no one but you has brought him up. Certainly il ragno didnt bring him up, and I have never seen il ragno defend Lindstedt.

I have seen Il Ragno defending Mr. Lindstedt, often in threads where I was doing the same thing. Martin may be an eccentric, abrasive, and somewhat disreputable character, but I have no doubt he's innocent of the ludicrous charges against him, just like Mr. Strom is.

il ragno
01-06-2007, 10:03 AM
I think part of what motivates such gotcha-prosecutions as this is the likelihood that anyone facing 30-40 years for something they didn't do, being well aware that innocent men w/o means and well-placed friends can be railroaded with ease, will sign any paper that gets them out of doing the time [there's 500 different forensic-cop/LAW & ORDER-type shows on tv and I've yet to see a single episode in which a 'white racist' is falsely accused....and juries are made up of such tv watchers] and then WHAMMO! - they got you on paper; you're a Registered Sex Offender for life. Now the normal struggle of every non-millionaire: a decent job, and a decent place to live, just became exponentially harder. Every move you make, or new job you take, can and does become a Chinese water torture of "visits", radioactive phone calls to employers and poisonous mail campaigns.

And even if the case is thrown out, significant damage is done [and rarely if ever undone]. Do you think, for instance, if Strom is exonerated, that that will make any difference to the Sullas of the world? "Accused kiddie-porn deviant" is just as good as "kiddie-porn deviant" to most folks, and the Sullas glory in this predictable behavioral wrinkle. Feds visibly removing packing boxes and computer equipment from your home is generally all the "evidence" anybody needs to begin pollinating the community with whatever the smear is.

Now think of how excruciatingly simple it is to sic the gendarmes on anyone else under the kiddie-porn umbrella. For Pete's sake, it's so easy to frame someone for it, Loompanics Press has made it a cottage industry with their Dirty Tricks and Revenge books!

Scipio Americanus
01-06-2007, 10:08 AM
That Great American Sulla the Dictator sees nothing wrong with tossing out the notion of innocent until proven guilty. If Holy Gummint says it's so, then it's so.

Anyone for Iraqi yellowcake?

I think we all have known for some time that the gray area between thought-crime and real-crime is rife for prosecutorial misconduct of this type. Since racists can't be cowed by the threat of exposure as racists, something viler must be employed.

But as always, the lead arrow in the State's quiver - the smoking gun, as it were - is the emblazoned WHITE SUPREMACIST, played up big at the front of the story. (That's supposed to be your cue to reflexively stick out your thumb, pointed down.)

We'll see. They tried to convince us all that white supremacists killed Matt Hale's sentencing judge; that the DC snipers were white supremacists; and that the Duke Lacrosse team, because they were burgeoning white supremacists, raped that stripper. Even Lindstedt isn't going to face any child molestation charges, now that they can shut him away in a madhouse to "help" him.

Sure hope Kevin Strom gets Pete Townsend's lawyer. 'Member lovable Pete? They found bonafide kiddie porn on his CPU, which he explained away as 'research' he was doing since he himself had been inappropriately diddled as a youngster . And hey, I saw him on Conan not too long ago! So apparently you can be a decent, law-abiding kiddie-porn connoisseur, depending on your politics and opinions on Negroes.

Indeed, il ragno, and apparently that kind of semitically correct thinking runs deep in the vast emptiness that passes as a cerebral cortex of other forum moderators too.

In the words of Waltzy: "Does it matter? He eloquently accused Jews of immorality, pornography, child abuse, sexual white slavery and similar activities only to reveal himself as a perv and a hypocrite." LOL! Hell, both have already convicted the man not even 24 hours after his arrest.

After all, if Uncle Samstein & the ADL declare the man a "White Supremacist" then he must be guilty of whatever "our" government charged him with, right? You see folks, in Sulla's and Waltzy's bizzaro world, everything is reversed - up is down, left is right, right is wrong, and you are guilty until proven innocent. In fact, their notions of proper jurisprudence can be summed up accordingly: We'll give em a "fair" trial before we hang him.

Yep, Sulla and Waltzy are prime examples of modern day, choice, USDA, imperial stock and are representative of the kind of characters populating law offices, media centers and university classrooms in the Alice in Wonderland world we find ourselves struggling to cope with and make sense of these days.

No doubt, when the "impartial" jury, personally handpicked by Abe Foxman and Morris Dees, declares Mr. Strom "guilty" as charged before the kangaroo court, Sulla and Waltzy will be covering the proceedings with glee, pecking away at their keyboards all the while having smiles on their faces unlike that of the Cheshire Cat after having eaten not a canary, but a pheasant. [Sigh] Such is the mentality of many in the insane asylum known as the late, great JewSA. - Scipio Americanus

Oblisk
01-06-2007, 10:15 AM
Perhaps he likes teens and a couple of 17-year-olds made it into his collection without his realising. A situation like that could be made into a case like this if you have the wrong people after you.

Does pornographic videos involving 17 year olds count as "Child porn"?

Jake Featherston
01-06-2007, 10:16 AM
Strom seems an unlikely target for a "frame up" job. The guy was never really relevant, as the NA essentially collapsed after the death of Pierce. As of late, Strom became even more obscure and less visible. If the government wanted to knock a pawn off the table, why go after Strom? In Hale's case, one of Hale's accolytes had gone on a murder spree, the usual suspects started screaming for Hale's indictment, and when it was not forthcoming, law enforcement was embarressed. In fact, people still discuss the issue here regularly. In Strom's case, what would really be gained by some ASA if he jammed up Strom? Nobody even knows who the hell Strom is.

A) I think this is more opportunism on the part of the Feds ie., his wife is trying to screw him over as part of a divorce action strategy (which happens all the time in America today, not just to WN movement figures), and so when this case came to their attention, they decided to take advantage of a gift that had fallen into their laps, rather than this being a frame-job hatched in Washington.

B) While he's not that well known to the general public, he very well-known among WNs and those who keep an eye on them, such as the people responsible for initiating the investigation of Chester Doles. Seeing how David Duke is in the Ukraine, Dr. Pierce and Rev. Butler are dead, Matt Hale is in prison, etc., I'm not sure Kevin Alfred Strom wasn't the best known WN leader in the U.S. today. Certainly in the top three. That's always going to count for something in the eyes of people like Michael Chertoff.

Scipio Americanus
01-06-2007, 10:29 AM
I think this is more opportunism on the part of the Feds ie., his wife is trying to screw him over as part of a divorce action strategy (which happens all the time in America today, not just to WN movement figures), and so when this case came to their attention, they decided to take advantage of a gift that had fallen into their laps, rather than this being a frame-job hatched in Washington.


You are correct, OKL (Jake). In fact, I raised this very point on another discussion board. Quoting myself:

"Precisely! Unfortunately, it's also a tactic that many women have used against their husbands during nasty divorce proceedings. I happen to know a guy, many years ago, who experienced this with his ex and believe me, it's something I would not wish on my worst enemy. In his case, his ex wife became jealous over someone he was dating (a younger woman) and out of the blue, filed charges claiming that he was sexually molesting his own daughter! What made things even worse for him was that his reputation suffered, causing him to lose his business clients and eventually forced him into bankruptcy. He went from making a quarter of a million a year as a independent computer consultant to becoming completely broke with over a 100,000K in legal bills! When I met him, he was without a car, renting a small bedroom in northern Kentucky and living off of supplemental social security. To be sure, we live in very sick times. I only hope Kevin Strom will fair better." - Scipio Americanus

http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?t=865

Jake Featherston
01-06-2007, 10:34 AM
I hope this has the unintended consequence of rallying the faithful. It seems to have that potential. Maybe someone might actually start shooting our oppressors.

Dont say shit like that, please. It just plays right into the hands of our enemies. I used to say stuff like that all the time, but I restrain myself. You should too, quite frankly.

il ragno
01-06-2007, 11:24 AM
Yes, the thing to do is 1] wait, and 2] see.

Bearing in mind that in a case like this, in which total exoneration won't effectively remove the taint, the State's burden of proof needs to be substantially higher than in a simple criminal charge like assault or grand larceny. They give you more hard time for looking at photos (and presumably to sublimate, not trigger, a desire to act out one's impulses) than they do for manslaughter or kidnapping....therefore, the State should have a harder time making charges stick.

Of course, the wild card is our relentless careening towards a police state, brought even closer to fruition by the paranoia-legislation expanding the government's post- 9/11 powers, in which a citizen's right to articulate his objections to kangaroo courts is trumped by a govt employee fixing him with a baleful gaze and "Wassamatter? You want some of this, too?"

Hermetic
01-06-2007, 11:38 AM
In my view his wife is the one who is behind this, for possible different reasons, but given she is mentally unbalanced she could have slipped it in on his computer. Never doubt a pissed off psycho female lengths to fuck with a persons life. Now the system will jump on it because probably it looks good on their records to hammer this racist.

Thoughts:

1) Strom seems an unlikely target for a "frame up" job. The guy was never really relevant, as the NA essentially collapsed after the death of Pierce. As of late, Strom became even more obscure and less visible. If the government wanted to knock a pawn off the table, why go after Strom? In Hale's case, one of Hale's accolytes had gone on a murder spree, the usual suspects started screaming for Hale's indictment, and when it was not forthcoming, law enforcement was embarressed. In fact, people still discuss the issue here regularly. In Strom's case, what would really be gained by some ASA if he jammed up Strom? Nobody even knows who the hell Strom is.

2) Somebody raised the issue that the contraband that is alleged to have been stored on Strom's computer may have been less lascivious than indicated...i.e. it may have been "teen" oriented material. Even if we are to entertain this hypothesis, it begs the question as to why Strom would store such material on his computer, as he is on perfect notice that the possession of such material is a criminal offense that carries serious penalties, and there is an abundance of accessible pornographic material that is available that is compliant with the Federal Penal Code and those of the several states.

I am reserving judgment, but I have no reason to believe that Strom would be targeted for malicious prosecution or actually framed. He simply is not visible, active, important enough to warrant such an inference.

Hermetic
01-06-2007, 11:46 AM
People calling the jewish influence a conspiracy theory are wrong it is not even a conspiracy as the jews openly brag about it all a person needs to do is check the facts. But because it is not blazed on big neo signs every 24 feet and being shouted by the t.v all day long most people are dumb too it.


Because, unfortunately, the Anglo-Saxons in this country are finished. They have been sucking Jewish dick for a while. It's pathetic. Basic facts today:

1. The media is Jew-conrolled
2. Foreign policy is Jew-controlled

Jewish influence extends past these areas though. You call me a conspiracy theorist; I call you a coincidence theorist. I am right and you are wrong.

raskalnikov
01-06-2007, 11:49 AM
Betting they had ties to Mossad to take away our gun rights too. :rolleyes:
Technically it IS indeed true that the Columbine killings had nothing at all to do with "White supremacy" and one of the killers was apperently jewish.Ideology aside for two seconds while actual facts are presented,thank you.

MrAngry
01-06-2007, 12:06 PM
Why does this reek of gefilte Fisch?


The mans a hypocrite Dan, look that word up in the dictionary then take a good hard look in the mirror! :rofl:

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 12:46 PM
Well when they say "photos", i must admit i'm abit disturbed. See like everyone who spends time on the computer, i have pornographic videos.

Now i must have like 30 of them. Anyone paranoid enough could certainly go browse thru them and freak out "OH MY GOD THAT GIRL OVER THERE LOOKS 17! THAT MUST BE CHILD PORN"

:confused:

Keystone
01-06-2007, 01:49 PM
BOMBSHELL!!!
http://wvir.images.worldnow.com/images/5894604_BG1.jpg

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

............

ogenoct
01-06-2007, 02:35 PM
Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed...

Lorcan
01-06-2007, 02:39 PM
4 Pictures?
Not nearly enough.

The normal pervert in such investigations will have hundreds(if not thousands) of media samples and possibly links to some sort of a network as it is a pathological addiction.Look at any similar cases and examine the quantity of material found.Electronic media is by its nature fuzzy anyway as content can be uploaded and downloaded without the users consent very easily.

Likelyhood is that these were not obvisouly doubivous pics and part of a "normal" pornography collection or these were plants as was previsoulsy mentioned.

Whether they were plants or not could be easily diserned by checking the timestamp on the images This too could be forged but assuming they are planted it was done inexpertly anyway, far too few images. This is assuming that the authorites want to find out the truth in this case however.

Helios Panoptes
01-06-2007, 03:04 PM
You would have to be an idiot to think that a number of pedophilic images that can be counted on one hand demonstrates that someone is a pedophile. That could easily be explained by downloading unidentified individual files or compressed .RARs or countless other ways. This entire thing is ludicrous.

Ahknaton
01-06-2007, 03:33 PM
Even if this is true it doesn't change the truth (or falsity) of anything Strom has said about racial matters, so it hardly "discredits" White Nationalism. Politics ought to be about ideas, but as always, its about people. This is a very feminine gossipy quality that I don't like about our culture. The NA should be able to fire him (if he is found innocent) and be free of the taint of these charges, but of course that's not the way it works. I agree with those who have said that possessing 4 images is unlikely to mean that he's a pedo. There was a big child porn bust here in Australia last year and the guys who were caught had 1,000s. Also, I personally don't think that deleted files should be counted as "possession". What if he downloaded the files from a porn site under the impression they would be of an older woman? That means he pretty much has to immediately destroy his computer or he's breaking the law.

BiffBradley
01-06-2007, 03:37 PM
4 Pictures?
Not nearly enough.

The normal pervert in such investigations will have hundreds(if not thousands) of media samples and possibly links to some sort of a network as it is a pathological addiction.Look at any similar cases and examine the quantity of material found.Electronic media is by its nature fuzzy anyway as content can be uploaded and downloaded without the users consent very easily.

Likelyhood is that these were not obvisouly doubivous pics and part of a "normal" pornography collection or these were plants as was previsoulsy mentioned.

Whether they were plants or not could be easily diserned by checking the timestamp on the images This too could be forged but assuming they are planted it was done inexpertly anyway, far too few images. This is assuming that the authorites want to find out the truth in this case however.
Why would any intelligent person keep thousands of images on his computer which could be easily deleted when their purpose is served and are so easily re obtainable? The "normal pervert" you talk about is more than likely the "stupid pervert". We all know Strom is an intelligent man, I think it more likely he would cover his tracks as he went if he is guilty. It wont be up to the authorites to determine his guilt as you say but up to his legal representation to prove his innocence. If as many say here it was an obvious set up then that should be easily proved by any competent lawyer. Vanguard and Stormfront are full of posts discussing and in some cases encouraging sex with under age minors, it wouldnt surprise me at all to find out Strom is a paedophile, it fits the MO.

Fade the Butcher
01-06-2007, 03:38 PM
Here is a quote from April Gaede about his bitchcunt (ex)wife....If true this is BELOW THE BELT!!! :mad:

This sounds to me less like a government conspiracy than a classic Jerry Springer KKK episode.

Ahknaton
01-06-2007, 03:46 PM
Why would any intelligent person keep thousands of images on his computer which could be easily deleted when their purpose is served and are so easily re obtainable?
That's not the way it works. Any image (pornographic or not) that you view on the internet is saved to the internet cache on your hard drive whether you explicitly save it or not, and is usually deleted either when you "clear history" or after the caching time limit expires. If Strom had a habit of browsing child porn sites then there would have been hundreds of deleted cached files recovered from his PC.

that guy
01-06-2007, 03:55 PM
http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=480505&postcount=15

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3765583&postcount=154

Jeez. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

BiffBradley
01-06-2007, 03:57 PM
That's not the way it works. Any image (pornographic or not) that you view on the internet is saved to the internet cache on your hard drive whether you explicitly save it or not, and is usually deleted either when you "clear history" or after the caching time limit expires. If Strom had a habit of browsing child porn sites then there would have been hundreds of deleted cached files recovered from his PC.
I know how to delete my internet cache, you know how to delete your internet cache, I would assume Strom knows too.

bardamu
01-06-2007, 03:58 PM
The NA should be able to fire him (if he is found innocent) and be free of the taint of these charges, but of course that's not the way it works.

For the record, Strom left the NA a few years ago because they were not up to his standards. He helped form National Vanguard but was recently eased out of there for reasons that were never made public, although Bill White (the Jerry Springer of White Nationalism) has plenty to say about it on his blog and forum.

shanemac
01-06-2007, 03:59 PM
30 years prison... any prison time at all in fact... is fucking ridiculous for having 4 photographs on your computer.

Keystone
01-06-2007, 04:00 PM
I know how to delete my internet cache, you know how to delete your internet cache, I would assume Strom knows too.
Not good enough. You have to use a wipe utility afterwards.

It cleans out all the random gunk the delete process deposits everywhere on your HD.

that guy
01-06-2007, 04:00 PM
"Kevin Alfred Strom Arrested On Child Pornography Charges - Faces 30 Years In Prison."

Never mind that he is probably not guilty, but when did looking at child porn on the internet become a 30-years-in-prison offense?

Keystone
01-06-2007, 04:02 PM
"Kevin Alfred Strom Arrested On Child Pornography Charges - Faces 30 Years In Prison."

Never mind that he is probably not guilty, but when did looking at child porn on the internet become a 30-years-in-prison offense?
Is the witness tampering charge included in this?

that guy
01-06-2007, 04:06 PM
Is the witness tampering charge included in this?
I understand that the media often sensationalizes stories by putting the absolute maximum sentence in the headline, but he would probably have to kill the witness to get 30 GD years.

Ahknaton
01-06-2007, 04:07 PM
I know how to delete my internet cache, you know how to delete your internet cache, I would assume Strom knows too.
The files were deleted files that were recovered, and like I said even after deleting the cache they still remain on the hard drive. So if he had a habit of browsing kiddy porn sites there would have been more files recovered, even if he had deleted his cache.

Moth
01-06-2007, 04:20 PM
Oh great, the opposition has been trying for years to lump "hate" in with online crime such as terrorism and child abuse in order to have it criminalised and Kevin Strom has given them a patron saint.

Mentious
01-06-2007, 04:25 PM
Does pornographic videos involving 17 year olds count as "Child porn"?
It could be called that, technically, by those who want to speak inexactly about the case, including media. Just as some fast talkers here are already using the term "kiddie porn," when we don't actually know what that one photo depicted. They could call it that, or "lewd pictures of minors," etc. and we would never know the more subtle truth. A 17-year-old is technically a "minor" by current statute, bizarre as that is. Even if she's been more willfully sexual than the empress Theodora for several years.
Vanguard and Stormfront are full of posts discussing and in some cases encouraging sex with under age minors, it wouldnt surprise me at all to find out Strom is a paedophile, it fits the MO.
I have visited that chat site, and that news site, many times. I have not noticed posts encouraging "sex with under age minors" at either site, with the possible exception of one trollish poster I noticed last night at VNN. Maybe that was you?

BiffBradley
01-06-2007, 04:36 PM
It could be called that, technically, by those who want to speak inexactly about the case, including media. Just as some fast talkers here are already calling it "kiddie porn," when we don't actually know what that one photo depicted. They could call it that, or "lewd pictures of minors," etc. and we would never know the more subtle truth.

I have visited that chat site, and that news site, many times. Never have I once seen anybody encouraging "sex with under age minors." You talk trash. If it happens at VNN, it is likely a troll doing it. Maybe even you.Yeah?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/human-psychology-notes-pedophilia-explained-351886p2.html
Make sure you read the whole thread. These are your WN buddies. Seems the mods over at SF are quick to de register opposing view points but not so quick to jump on people that advocate sex with 14 year olds.

Jim West
01-06-2007, 04:42 PM
Flynn: Indeed, PORC. Because you are just all in favor of what's good for White Nationalism.No, I'm just not in favor of the mass murder of America's Jews, like you are. Only a psychopath would be. Oh, and your hillbilly friend Gomer Pyle Miller over at VNN, of course. Ah, too bad you're not a Mod here, isn't it, Flynn. Then you could silence me. But, saner minds prevail here, fortunately. Furthermore, you strike me as a rather mediocre attorney, since you haven't the verbal capacity to argue yourself out of a wet nigger's condom.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Winston
01-06-2007, 04:56 PM
Rep to Guy for being reasonable about this despite being Jewish. You are clearly a class act that certain others could learn a lot from.

BiffBradley
01-06-2007, 05:16 PM
I think Guy has been spending too much time on WS forums and needs deprogramming.

Fitz
01-06-2007, 05:20 PM
John,

Did Judge Crigler set bond yesterday? Was Strom able to make bond or is he still sitting in jail?

Mentious
01-06-2007, 05:20 PM
Rep to Guy for being reasonable about this despite being Jewish. You are clearly a class act that certain others could learn a lot from.
Yes, Guy is cool. Jews are a very intelligent group and have some of the most interesting minds without doubt. Intelligent enough that, in the end, I don't see how they could really respect sheep, lemmings, or completely clueless Gentiles. This crowd is probably much more interesting to some Jews.
Yeah?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/human-psychology-notes-pedophilia-explained-351886p2.html
Make sure you read the whole thread. These are your WN buddies. Seems the mods over at SF are quick to de register opposing view points but not so quick to jump on people that advocate sex with 14 year olds.
That forum covers a wide range of intellegtual material, including human sexuality, and draws all kinds of people (not necessarily "buddies" of mine). But I gather you have a one-note mind and only want one point of view expressed anyway. The one on T.V.

Professor John Frink
01-06-2007, 05:28 PM
Not good enough. You have to use a wipe utility afterwards.

It cleans out all the random gunk the delete process deposits everywhere on your HD.

The files were deleted files that were recovered, and like I said even after deleting the cache they still remain on the hard drive. So if he had a habit of browsing kiddy porn sites there would have been more files recovered, even if he had deleted his cache.

What they said.

By deleting files from your hard drive or emptying your cache, you don't actually remove the files from your disk. You only remove the reference to them, so to speak. Technically, the information is still present on your disk and mostly intact, making it easy to recover.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 05:34 PM
I presume that people are innocent as well. I've done criminal defense work myself and I spent a couple of years as a post-conviction advocate, and I laud you for your defense work and your commitment to justice.

That said, I'm also not going to presume that Strom was investigated and subsequently indicted without probable cause.

I should probably clarify my position on this. I don't really believe that this whole thing was concocted by the Feds. I think the most likely scenario from what I've seen is that someone, whether it was an anti, or perhaps his Wife, planted some image file on his computer, which Strom caught and deleted. Or, possibly, it was accidentally downloaded as part of spam email or something. Then, someone, probably his Wife, got pissed at him and decided to retaliate by reporting him to the Feds for "child porn" having either seen the accidentally downloaded file, or having planted something. Then, the FBI acted a little bit more zealously than they otherwise would if it were John Smith, instead of Kevin Strom, and raided his home, seizing his computer. They found the planted/accidentally d/led file in the unallocated clusters, and then had probable cause and a good faith belief sufficient to prosecute. Whereas, however, if it had been "John Smith" the USA would have seen how ridiculous it was for a child porn connoisseur to have only one file, and would have either exercised prosecutorial discretion in not seeking an indictment, or would have tried to seek a resolution by pretrial diversion. However, since it is Kevin Alfred Strom and not "John Smith" they are giddy with joy that they have a technical case to throw the book at him, and their prosecution of him is motivated, not by the one file, which is merely a pretext, like the trial of Saddam, but rather by his political activism.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 05:35 PM
Im getting a Glenn Miller snitch entrapment vibe from this post.

That's because you are overly paranoid.

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 05:36 PM
Ok, so hint for everyone.

When you format your hard drive, you don't SEE anything. Yet it stays. Hard drive caches contain 8 magnetic disks. You only write on the 1st when you install/format, yet it is transferred onto the 2nd and 3rd with use.

To completely destroy data, you have to do a low-level format (forget the 30 minutes, a low-level format takes 5 hours on a 80gb disk) EIGHT TIMES.

Less than 8 times, data will still be able to be recovered.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 05:39 PM
Yes... as im sure DWW phrase about the oppressors probably flagged this thread for ECHELON.

Who gives a crap?

BOMB NUKE JEWS ISRAEL ATTACK ASSASINATE SNIPER PENTAGON WHITE HOUSE BUSH ECHELON

Fuck Echelon.

Fitz
01-06-2007, 05:41 PM
Is he still in jail or not? Anybody know?

Keystone
01-06-2007, 05:43 PM
Who gives a crap?

BOMB NUKE JEWS ISRAEL ATTACK ASSASINATE SNIPER PENTAGON WHITE HOUSE BUSH ECHELON

Fuck Echelon.
LOL. You are nutbag Flynn. Are you banned from VNN or something?

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 05:44 PM
LOL. You are nutbag Flynn. Are you banned from VNN or something?

He just made fun of the so-called big-brother mind you...

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 05:45 PM
A) I think this is more opportunism on the part of the Feds ie., his wife is trying to screw him over as part of a divorce action strategy (which happens all the time in America today, not just to WN movement figures), and so when this case came to their attention, they decided to take advantage of a gift that had fallen into their laps, rather than this being a frame-job hatched in Washington.

Precisely.



B) While he's not that well known to the general public, he very well-known among WNs and those who keep an eye on them, such as the people responsible for initiating the investigation of Chester Doles. Seeing how David Duke is in the Ukraine, Dr. Pierce and Rev. Butler are dead, Matt Hale is in prison, etc., I'm not sure Kevin Alfred Strom wasn't the best known WN leader in the U.S. today. Certainly in the top three. That's always going to count for something in the eyes of people like Michael Chertoff.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 05:53 PM
I know how to delete my internet cache, you know how to delete your internet cache, I would assume Strom knows too.

Yes, but it's never really "deleted" dumbass. It's still going to be recoverable by the FBI unless you reformat your hard drive. The fact they only found four fragments of a single image, indicates he does not view child porn.

il ragno
01-06-2007, 05:54 PM
Ok, so hint for everyone.

When you format your hard drive, you don't SEE anything. Yet it stays. Hard drive caches contain 8 magnetic disks. You only write on the 1st when you install/format, yet it is transferred onto the 2nd and 3rd with use.

To completely destroy data, you have to do a low-level format (forget the 30 minutes, a low-level format takes 5 hours on a 80gb disk) EIGHT TIMES.

Less than 8 times, data will still be able to be recovered.


Ye Gods!

It's just easier to use a pseudonym.

Remember the idea of leaderless resistance? Shit like this is part of the reason it makes sense. A stool-sitting do-nothing contribute-nothing kikealike anonymous Internet typist (thank you, Traitor Glenn Miller!) can make a difference, even if it's just living to fight another day; a self-styled Aryan Hero Of The People, locked down for the rest of his life, can't do anything but mark time and sharpen commissary spoons. And within a year or two, even that real-world identity you trumpeted to the world (while daring others to do likewise) becomes a meaningless footnote.

I've said it before and I'm forced to say it again: never volunteer your personal information online. Uncle Shemp has unlimited surveillance powers, unlimited manpower, unlimited weaponry, unlimited funding - and just because nobody's knocking on your door today doesn't mean that knock won't come tomorrow.

Keystone
01-06-2007, 05:55 PM
He just made fun of the so-called big-brother mind you...
Ya, I saw that.

Angry at "ZOG" he is.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 05:58 PM
John,

Did Judge Crigler set bond yesterday? Was Strom able to make bond or is he still sitting in jail?

There is nothing filed on the docket sheet after the Notice of Hearing for the 5th, which was filed on the 4th. So I can't tell what happened, and I can't call the judge's office because it's Saturday, and they're closed.

Keystone
01-06-2007, 05:59 PM
Ye Gods!

It's just easier to use a pseudonym.

Remember the idea of leaderless resistance? Shit like this is part of the reason it makes sense. A stool-sitting do-nothing contribute-nothing kikealike anonymous Internet typist (thank you, Traitor Glenn Miller!) can make a difference, even if it's just living to fight another day
How is bitching on a forum fighting anything?


"Keystone"..;)

Kodos
01-06-2007, 06:00 PM
This sounds to me less like a government conspiracy than a classic Jerry Springer KKK episode.

4 files is nobodies porn collection...

il ragno
01-06-2007, 06:12 PM
How is bitching on a forum fighting anything?


"Keystone"..;)

Today it's just bitching on a forum. Tomorrow it might be "promoting sedition". Tomorrow they might expand the definition of terrorism to include hostility towards Jews or blacks or mestizos. Need I remind you we have an "Office of Anti-Semitism" now? - with a federal hate-crime bill hot on its heels, ripe to be passed eventually?

How is one deleted photo evidence of intent in a kiddie-porn case? How is telling a planted witness "you do what you want, I'm going to stick to legal means" proof of guilt meriting a 40-year sentence?

Hey....how is showing normal affection to your grandchildren "child sex abuse"? Ask Lindstedt, genius. He's probably going to die in that shabby madhouse - he'd have plenty of time to explain it to you if they allowed him the right to freely communicate.

You must be "Dr Jekyll" today, Key, you're in your things couldn't be better, and you are all alarmist fools biorhythm.

Thomas777
01-06-2007, 06:26 PM
Today it's just bitching on a forum. Tomorrow it might be "promoting sedition". Tomorrow they might expand the definition of terrorism to include hostility towards Jews or blacks or mestizos. Need I remind you we have an "Office of Anti-Semitism" now? - with a federal hate-crime bill hot on its heels, ripe to be passed eventually?

How is one deleted photo evidence of intent in a kiddie-porn case? How is telling a planted witness "you do what you want, I'm going to stick to legal means" proof of guilt meriting a 40-year sentence?

Hey....how is showing normal affection to your grandchildren "child sex abuse"? Ask Lindstedt, genius. He's probably going to die in that shabby madhouse - he'd have plenty of time to explain it to you if they allowed him the right to freely communicate.

You must be "Dr Jekyll" today, Key, you're in your things couldn't be better, and you are all alarmist fools biorhythm.

Paranoia is healthy, Il Ragno...and I think that you are not totally off base here, but let's break down the circumstances that gave rise to Linsdtedt's indefinite incarceration and Hale's federal conviction:

I lived in Roger's Park when Ben Smith went on his Travis Bickle/John Rambo/Jihad expedition. After it happened, people were saying really crazy things. NW University was holding emergency meetings about the "terrorist threat posed by hate groups", the Cook Co. State's Attorney's office popped a raging hard on with respect to any conduct that could give rise to Hate Crimes liability, Ricky Byrdsong's wife went on a speaking tour, and the Jewish Federation had a damn field day. Amidst this backdrop, Matt Hale started appearing on network TV every damn night and referring to Ben Smith as a "1st Amendment martyr" and claiming that he has no sympathy for "mud races".

I think that the Hale investigation and his subsequent conviction were abhorent from a Due Process perspective, but what exactly did Hale think was going to happen? What was Hale's endgame, in the wake of all of these psycho antics?

With respect to Lindstedt, I have no idea if probable cause substantiated an inference that he was sexually abusing children. What I DO know is that Lindstedt lived in a cowshit town and he amused himself by threatening to prion-poison members of the local judiciary and lobotomize and rape the daughters of law enforcement officers.

Although it now seems sort of quaint and dated, Sorel devoted entire treatises to exploring how the Government employs violence and the threat of it to faciliate compliance and prevent general strike. I don't see general strike on the horizon anytime soon, but I DO appreciate and understand that the Government is a beast of prey, and when citizens poke it with sharp sticks, they are unceremoniously devoured.

Fade the Butcher
01-06-2007, 06:27 PM
Someone mentioned 14-year-olds earlier in the thread. Could this be the Prussian Blue twins by any chance?

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 06:29 PM
I've said it before and I'm forced to say it again: never volunteer your personal information online. Uncle Shemp has unlimited surveillance powers, unlimited manpower, unlimited weaponry, unlimited funding - and just because nobody's knocking on your door today doesn't mean that knock won't come tomorrow.

Lol, feds have been knocking on my door so many times i lost the count. I couldn't care less about them coming AGAIN to my door :p

Fitz
01-06-2007, 06:30 PM
There is nothing filed on the docket sheet after the Notice of Hearing for the 5th, which was filed on the 4th. So I can't tell what happened, and I can't call the judge's office because it's Saturday, and they're closed.

Thanks John. I don't know whether he is innocent or not, but him abandoned to sit in jail like a nigger is a sad ending.

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 06:30 PM
Someone mentioned 14-year-olds earlier in the thread. Could this be the Prussian Blue twins by any chance?

You gotta be kidding...

That aside, april seems to have kind of a hatred for kevin strom.

(that reminds me, i laughed like a madman when i remembered the article from strom branding hal turner as 'a disgrace' xD)

il ragno
01-06-2007, 06:33 PM
Paranoia is healthy, Il Ragno...and I think that you are not totally off base here, but let's break down the circumstances that gave rise to Linsdtedt's indefinite incarceration and Hale's federal conviction:

I lived in Roger's Park when Ben Smith went on his Travis Bickle/John Rambo/Jihad expedition. After it happened, people were saying really crazy things. NW University was holding emergency meetings about the "terrorist threat posed by hate groups", the Cook Co. State's Attorney's office popped a raging hard on with respect to any conduct that could give rise to Hate Crimes liability, Ricky Byrdsong's wife went on a speaking tour, and the Jewish Federation had a damn field day. Amidst this backdrop, Matt Hale started appearing on network TV every damn night and referring to Ben Smith as a "1st Amendment martyr" and claiming that he has no sympathy for "mud races".

I think that the Hale investigation and his subsequent conviction were abhorent from a Due Process perspective, but what exactly did Hale think was going to happen? What was Hale's endgame, in the wake of all of these psycho antics?

With respect to Lindstedt, I have no idea if probable cause substantiated an inference that he was sexually abusing children. What I DO know is that Lindstedt lived in a cowshit town and he amused himself by threatening to prion-poison members of the local judiciary and lobotomize and rape the daughters of law enforcement officers.

Although it now seems sort of quaint and dated, Sorel devoted entire treatises to exploring how the Government employs violence and the threat of it to faciliate compliance and prevent general strike. I don't see general strike on the horizon anytime soon, but I DO appreciate and understand that the Government is a beast of prey, and when citizens poke it with sharp sticks, they are unceremoniously devoured.

Boils down to thought/speech crime resulting in draconian sentences. Sure, the bar is set fairly high now, but it's significantly lower today than it was 25 years ago. And nobody on this board is going to convince me it won't be lower tomorrow, and lower still the day after that.

It ain't paranoia, it's precaution. And utterly reasonable.

il ragno
01-06-2007, 06:35 PM
Lol, feds have been knocking on my door so many times i lost the count. I couldn't care less about them coming AGAIN to my door :p

They have FBI in Belgium?

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 06:39 PM
They have FBI in Belgium?

I meant feds as a large term.

IIRC i had the computer crime unit, the hate crime (lol) unit, the anti-bomb squad, the local police & the equivalent of the JTTF.

Lol :p

Fade the Butcher
01-06-2007, 06:43 PM
The indictment can be found below. What does it say? I haven't redownloaded Adobe since cleaning off my hard drive.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3766078&postcount=172

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 06:48 PM
The indictment can be found below. What does it say? I haven't redownloaded Adobe since cleaning off my hard drive.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3766078&postcount=172

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/5634/page1rq0.gif
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/7770/page2ti6.gif

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 06:49 PM
Unallocated clusters... Meaning it was either deleted or trashed during a format.

Whoo, Matt Hale anyone ?

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 06:49 PM
Thanks John. I don't know whether he is innocent or not, but him abandoned to sit in jail like a nigger is a sad ending.

Well, the detention order from his initial appearance indicated he was to be remanded to the custody of the US Marshall Service. In most Federal courthouses which have US Marshall offices, they have detention facilities (cells, but only one or a few) to house criminal defendants either during trials or between arrest and bail hearings. So, it's not like he was thrown into gen pop at Chino. Now, if he didn't get released on bond or on recognizance at the Friday hearing, he would likely have been placed in some sort of local jail.

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 06:52 PM
Just so you know, people convicted for child pornography have single cells in separate areas of any jail.

They violate the common code of "fair criminals" that states: "No childrens, no womans"; and as such are subject to random assassination from other inmates.

And i know my stuff here ;)

Fade the Butcher
01-06-2007, 06:53 PM
Well then . . . who was Witness A?

Fade the Butcher
01-06-2007, 06:54 PM
$1,000 dollars says that it was his wife.

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 06:57 PM
$1,000 dollars says that it was his wife.

Hal says he got infos from relatives that strom's wife is involved (stated for previous wife-beatings and other domestic rampages)

il ragno
01-06-2007, 06:58 PM
Of course it's his wife. And when he yelled, quite understandably, "I'll kill you for this, you miserable fucking bitch", they added witness-tampering to the charges!

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 06:59 PM
Lol, Hal now claims he's been framed.

Funny that the "link for complete story" goes for evidence eliminator WITH A FUCKING REFERRAL NUMBER .....

http://www.halturnershow.com/

MORE HILARIOUS. He claims the FAT partition was frauded.... Too bad strom was using NTFS.... lol

Keystone
01-06-2007, 06:59 PM
Today it's just bitching on a forum. Tomorrow it might be "promoting sedition". Tomorrow they might expand the definition of terrorism to include hostility towards Jews or blacks or mestizos. Need I remind you we have an "Office of Anti-Semitism" now? - with a federal hate-crime bill hot on its heels, ripe to be passed eventually?
Well now you're making it more important by doing nothing or the same, and waiting for the government to give it more pop. It's still passive as all get out.

You and lots of posters here make yourselves safely immune to any action by being so extreme, so Land of the Misfit Toys bound, that you just worry about someone messin' wit yer freespeech, and that's it. Anything connected with the mainstream is considered foolish and Jew-owned, and your alternatives to problems are so fucking unlikely that it raises you above any kind of argument. If your argument is questioned, it's considered a conspiracy. Very convenient.
Hey....how is showing normal affection to your grandchildren "child sex abuse"? Ask Lindstedt, genius. He's probably going to die in that shabby madhouse - he'd have plenty of time to explain it to you if they allowed him the right to freely communicate.
I consider Lindstedt innocent until he gets a fair hearing. Same with Strom. (I said fair.)
You must be "Dr Jekyll" today, Key, you're in your things couldn't be better, and you are all alarmist fools biorhythm.
LOL.

bardamu
01-06-2007, 07:02 PM
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/happened-kevin-alfred-strom-351909.html?t=351909

Don Black seems to think Strom is being framed, which is enough for me considering Black would have the inside scoop and would hardly support him if he thought or even suspected otherwise.

il ragno
01-06-2007, 07:02 PM
You and lots of posters here make yourselves safely immune to any action by being so extreme, so Land of the Misfit Toys bound, that you just worry about someone messin' wit yer freespeech, and that's it. Anything connected with the mainstream is considered foolish and Jew-owned, and your alternatives to problems are so fucking unlikely that it raises you above any kind of argument. If your argument is questioned, it's considered a conspiracy. Very convenient.

Well to be fair, so do you. Only you do it on Wednesdays and Fridays only. The rest of the time, you distance yourself from your comments as though I said them, while drinking a glass of water, while you were sitting on my lap with my hand up your back.

Now let's talk Pirates hot-stove!

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 07:11 PM
I want to go off-topic for a second here. I usually like hal turner and his shows, but i have to dismiss him on that case.

First, he claims "omg sonuvabitch pedo got what he deserved and smeared me before".

Hours later, he posts an article about "HOW STROM WAS FRAMED OMG!!!".

- He claims Strom operated under FAT.

Wrong. Strom used windows xp, thus NTFS. He is knowledgeable of computers but in no way able to convert file systems.

- Then there is the whole "evidence eliminator" thing.

EE has been debunked a hundred times over the past years to send sensitive information to anonymous and governmental servers. Not adding that the link he uses contains a direct paranoid "omg better buy our shit now or suffer from big brother intrusion" message; not adding the url includes a referral number... linked to... HAL TURNER OF COURSE.

I'm usually neutral in these affairs, but lately that guy started to annoy me more than he entertains me. This latest rip-off is under the lowest state of whining for money.

Fade the Butcher
01-06-2007, 07:13 PM
It sounds like another awful, run-of-the-mill divorce to me . . . that just happens to involve a prominent White Nationalist figure, which is the only reason we are hearing about it. His wife either found or planted child pornography on his computer and ratted him out to the feds to get the upper hand. I seriously doubt this is some vast ZOG conspiracy. It is my understanding that he retired from National Vanguard several months ago.

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 07:13 PM
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/happened-kevin-alfred-strom-351909.html?t=351909

Don Black seems to think Strom is being framed, which is enough for me considering Black would have the inside scoop and would hardly support him if he thought or even suspected otherwise.

Don black is a PC coke head buffoon who thought he could invade a country with 3 KKK rednecks and a negro on a boat.

Jim West
01-06-2007, 07:16 PM
Don Black seems to think Strom is being framed, which is enough for me considering Black would have the inside scoop and would hardly support him if he thought or even suspected otherwise.Don Black is far more a threat to anti-WNs and the US government than Strom ever was, yet why wasn't he "framed" with "fake" child porn charges if it's so easy to do, as so many zombies on Stormfront claim.

Fact is, an ex-con like Don Black probably knows Strom is guilty, but is remaining basically "neutral" on the subject to avoid any bad fall-out for himself.

My final question is this: like Matt Hale and Chester Doles before him, when is Strom going to scrounge around for a Jewish lawyer to "defend" him?

Sulla the Dictator
01-06-2007, 07:16 PM
I'd be surprised if ANYONE actually viewed kiddie porn. After reading the 'good points' raised in this thread, I can't remember a single time when the state has SHOWN the public the evidence of child pornography! Where are the videos of these little kids being violated on Court TV or the pictures in my paper?

We should investigate the ideological beliefs of everyone charged with this false crime, and connect the dots. ASAP. Who knows who could be next? Maybe OUR MOTHERS. Our MOTHERS might be charged with this crime, because of the random caprice of the State.

Fade the Butcher
01-06-2007, 07:20 PM
Don Black is far more a threat to anti-WNs than Strom ever was, yet why wasn't he "framed" with "fake" child porn if it's so easy to do, as so many zombie Stormfronters claim it is.

Why didn't the federal government "frame" William Pierce when the NA was at its peak?

Fade the Butcher
01-06-2007, 07:22 PM
$2,000 dollars says it was his fat white trash wife trying to get even with him and there is no conspiracy.

Keystone
01-06-2007, 07:24 PM
Well to be fair, so do you. Only you do it on Wednesdays and Fridays only. The rest of the time, you distance yourself from your comments as though I said them, while drinking a glass of water, while you were sitting on my lap with my hand up your back.
That's because I'm neither a "racist" nor an "anti", and I'm not obliged to keep on message. I don't have any credentials either way.

I bust out and bitch about "niggers" every so often. whoopie. We've been doing that here for years, and the blacks have their words for us. We weren't so privileged as to choose "racialism" as an ideology like some of the young college nobs on here. We were raised in it, like yourself. I try to keep it to a minimum, so that's that.

Now let's talk Pirates hot-stove!
Nothing to talk about.

:mad:

il ragno
01-06-2007, 07:27 PM
Relax, Sulla.

The vast majority of convicted chld molestors believe in the Holocaust, Martin Luther King's divinity and Iraqi WMDs. All's right with the world.

Ahmadinebobina
01-06-2007, 07:27 PM
"Lets focus on the 14 words instead of the 14 year olds"

Best line of all time. :thanks:

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 07:27 PM
Don Black is far more a threat to anti-WNs and the US government than Strom ever was, yet why wasn't he "framed" with "fake" child porn charges if it's so easy to do, as so many zombies on Stormfront claim.

Don't make me laugh. Don black allowed jews to become high-ranked supermoderators on stormfront in exchange for large sums of money.

He's nothing more than a joke whining for donations because his website supposedly "wakes people up and helps WN".

What WN ? He strives to delete every post that doesn't end up in a "name the jew" way, while constantly promoting that "YOU MUZ DONATE 2 HELP TEH CAUSE".

I have made my way far and higher than these little cesspools called "white nationalist websites", they are nothing more than paranoid "zog everywhere and we name the jooz while whining for donations".

bardamu
01-06-2007, 07:30 PM
Don black is a PC coke head buffoon who thought he could invade a country with 3 KKK rednecks and a negro on a boat.

Was that 20 years ago or 30?

Fitz
01-06-2007, 07:31 PM
Well, the detention order from his initial appearance indicated he was to be remanded to the custody of the US Marshall Service. In most Federal courthouses which have US Marshall offices, they have detention facilities (cells, but only one or a few) to house criminal defendants either during trials or between arrest and bail hearings. So, it's not like he was thrown into gen pop at Chino. Now, if he didn't get released on bond or on recognizance at the Friday hearing, he would likely have been placed in some sort of local jail.

But it seems like a person with any resources at his disposal would've had legal representation already in place, at least from the time when his home was raided and his property seized.

Since he didn't, and is relying on a public defender to defend him, I assume he might have trouble making bond as well. I hope that isn't the case.

My final question is this: like Matt Hale and Chester Doles before him, when is Strom going to scrounge around for a Jewish lawyer to "defend" him?

Who better to argue before the Sanhedrin? At any rate the government has provided this enthusiastic team.... Lantz & Heblich (http://george.loper.org/~george/trends/2006/Dec/942.html)

bardamu
01-06-2007, 07:31 PM
Don't make me laugh. Don black allowed jews to become high-ranked supermoderators on stormfront in exchange for large sums of money.



Evidence?

filler filler filler

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 07:32 PM
Was that 20 years ago or 30?

He's nowhere near a leader anyway. He's just a shadow that administrates a website that was made at the right time at the right place.

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 07:33 PM
Evidence?


JJT.

There is evidence all over the net.

bardamu
01-06-2007, 07:38 PM
JJT.

There is evidence all over the net.


That has never been proven. Generally speaking Don Black is a level-headed leader and a man of honor to our strange rebellion. Something that we should appreciate, in my opinion. But let us not derail this thread into a JJT debate, as thousand of those can be found elsewhere.

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 07:42 PM
That has never been proven. Generally speaking Don Black is a level-headed leader and a man of honor to our strange rebellion.

A leader that never fought anywhere else for the white race than on the net...
(hm, well.. fought... depends from the pov lol)

Cool :rofl:

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 07:44 PM
But it seems like a person with any resources at his disposal would've had legal representation already in place, at least from the time when his home was raided and his property seized.

Since he didn't, and is relying on a public defender to defend him, I assume he might have trouble making bond as well. I hope that isn't the case.



Who better to argue before the Sanhedrin? At any rate the government has provided this enthusiastic team.... Lantz & Heblich (http://george.loper.org/~george/trends/2006/Dec/942.html)

Some video from Friday's evening news on NBC in Charlotte seems to indicate that he was denied bail and remanded to a local jail.

http://www.nbc29.com/global/story.asp?s=5894604

(1st video under Strom's photo.)

Jim West
01-06-2007, 07:46 PM
I don't know whether he is innocent or not, but him abandoned to sit in jail like a nigger is a sad ending.Strom should be fairly safe in jail - at least for the moment. As an accused sex offender, he'll be placed in a cell for those considered mental, rather than the general population. As for niggers, if Strom is convicted, they'll be in his face for the rest of his prison sentence, a worse nightmare I could not imagine.

bardamu
01-06-2007, 07:50 PM
A leader that never fought anywhere else for the white race than on the net...
(hm, well.. fought... depends from the pov lol)

Cool :rofl:


You must be kidding. Some anonymous poster such as yourself saying that about a veteran White patriot who is definitely on many a Judeo-Supremacist hit list? You are a troll and probably Jewish yourself, as you accuse JJT of being. From here on out you go on ignore.

Mentious
01-06-2007, 07:54 PM
A leader that never fought anywhere else for the white race than on the net...
(hm, well.. fought... depends from the pov lol) Cool :rofl:
The race war against Whites is being fought primarily on the battlefield of the mind, and at the level of psychology. (You have to be a seasoned veteran of genocidal campaigns before you graduate to such exquisite and masterful forms of covert and psychological race war. Just scan the Old Testament to learn about earlier campaigns.) The greatest damage done to Whites so far has been intellectual, psychological, and through words. Thus the most important fighters for Whites at this time will be intellectual ones; word warriors. Strom is one of those. Therefore they view him as dangerous enough to take down by any means.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 07:56 PM
What has happened to strom has great propaganda value to the enemy. We are in the pre-revolutionary stage now and all the combatants are positioning themselves for maximum advantage.

There, I said it without saying "shoot", in order to keep everyone's panties in order :D

Don Quixote
01-06-2007, 07:58 PM
The race war against Whites is being fought primarily on the battlefield of the mind, and at the level of psychology. (You have to be a long time expert in genocidal efforts to graduate into covert and psychological forms of warfare.) The greatest damage done to Whites so far has been intellectual, psychological, and through words. Thus the most important fighters for Whites at this time will be intellectual ones; word warriors. Strom is one of those. Therefore they view him as dangerous enough to take down by any means.You're absolutely right. The power to name things is the power over those things. Not for nothing is the act of divine creation in Genesis said to be a speaking things into being, a power that is partly devolved onto Adam. This is why we must be very careful over the words we use.

Mike
01-06-2007, 08:06 PM
I continue to believe these charges are bogus, but the situation is perilous. It seems the best hope now is for a jury to acquit. As long as the jury is White, this is hopefully possible. It is crucial that Strom get a good defence team. Who is standing up, or is going to stand up, for Strom? Anyone know? I notice no word from NV yet about this matter.

Keystone
01-06-2007, 08:09 PM
You're absolutely right. The power to name things is the power over those things. Not for nothing is the act of divine creation in Genesis said to be a speaking things into being, a power that is partly devolved onto Adam. This is why we must be very careful over the words we use.
Like Jews? Strom, like others, explained all our problems with Jewtalk.

The Jeeeewwwwsss, as he used to say in his recordings.

He spoke the Jews into being all the time. Didn't need anything else.

Leshrac
01-06-2007, 08:12 PM
You must be kidding. Some anonymous poster such as yourself saying that about a veteran White patriot who is definitely on many a Judeo-Supremacist hit list? You are a troll and probably Jewish yourself, as you accuse JJT of being. From here on out you go on ignore.

I waited for that one.

Why don't you americans and your fucking bibles understand what it is to be real ?

Maybe it's because of my european nature, but you guys in america are just sad jokes when talking pro-white.

You waste your entire time on the net whining about this and that, rarely if ever do protests or events (oh well yeah, 5 mens shouting 'no wetbacks here' on the side of a speedway... cool...) and worship so-called 'leaders' who do nothing else than ask for donation money.

I don't know if you realize it, but you're for the most part so out of touch with reality that it's hilarious.

Hell, you throw parties and call victory when a dozen of you guys in nazi uniforms go protest in front of a town hall; NEVERMIND the image you give, it's still a 'victory' isn't it ?

Here we're content when we lift entire STADIUMS upside down.

Don Quixote
01-06-2007, 08:14 PM
Like Jews? Strom, like others, explained all our problems with Jewtalk.No, as a general principle. I have no interest in Mr. Strom's views.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 08:14 PM
Key, can our problems be explained without mentioning jews?

Keystone
01-06-2007, 08:20 PM
No, as a general principle. I have no interest in Mr. Strom's views.
No one else over here does either, Basil. His importance to anything is multiplied a million-fold on racist boards.

We are too large a country and too fragmented culturally to be one entity, one homogenized nation. I don't know why people bother.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 08:22 PM
No one else over here does either, Basil. His importance to anything is multiplied a million-fold on racist boards.

We are too large a country and too fragmented culturally to be one entity, one homogenized nation. I don't know why people bother.
Why is that?

Fitz
01-06-2007, 08:24 PM
I wasn't thinking of Strom's physical safety being threatened. I was thinking of him alone in prison, abandoned by former friends and supporters like a piece of human garbage. Like Mike said, no one is rushing to defend him, at least not with money and lawyers.




I don't know whether he is innocent or not, but him abandoned to sit in jail like a nigger is a sad ending.

Strom should be fairly safe in jail - at least for the moment. As an accused sex offender, he'll be placed in a cell for those considered mental, rather than the general population. As for niggers, if Strom is convicted, they'll be in his face for the rest of his prison sentence, a worse nightmare I could not imagine.

Keystone
01-06-2007, 08:29 PM
Why is that?
The "white" culture here is nothing to base a nation on. What's "white"?

The US never had a default culture, ever. Dominant, yes, but always with competing Europeans, blacks, Indians, Asians...We brought the "foreigners" over to do our heavy work.

Now we want an all "white" culture? Forget it.

Starr
01-06-2007, 08:30 PM
What has happened to strom has great propaganda value to the enemy. We are in the pre-revolutionary stage now and all the combatants are positioning themselves for maximum advantage.

There, I said it without saying "shoot", in order to keep everyone's panties in order :D


What is really irritating here is how typical these kind of charges are for the enemy. It is annoyingly Freudian. How long now, before we hear some shrink throw out the usual types of lines about how "racism and intolerance"(as practiced only by whites, of course) is the result of deep seeded sexual insecurities and deviances.:nuts:

I can hear this perfectly.

We already saw a hint of this kind of thinking with Sulla's post from earlier in the thread:

Originally Posted by Watzy
First Lindstedt and now Strom. Who's next?

Originally posted by Sulla the Dictator
The rest of them in a matter of time, I'm sure.

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 08:31 PM
I wasn't thinking of Strom's physical safety being threatened. I was thinking of him alone in prison, abandoned by former friends and supporters like a piece of human garbage. Like Mike said, no one is rushing to defend him, at least not with money and lawyers.


Well, most of us only found out about this last night. Myself, around midnight. So the fact that wallets haven't opened up and legal teams aren't parachuting out of private jets, isn't too irregular. I say give it a week or so and see what develops. He has attorneys, the Federal Public Defenders office. He just doesn't have what most Defendants would want, dedicated, private counsel that is focused like a laser beam on HIS case. Now, if someone wants to send 25 grand my way, I'll begin his representation at $200/hour plus expenses. Beyond that, I think he's probably stuck with Miss Lantz of the Federal Public Defenders.

Thomas777
01-06-2007, 08:33 PM
The "white" culture here is nothing to base a nation on. What's "white"?

The US never had a default culture, ever. Dominant, yes, but always with competing Europeans, blacks, Indians, Asians...We brought the "foreigners" over to do our heavy work.

Now we want an all "white" culture? Forget it.

You are missing the point. As I have discussed many times in the past, White Nationalism was essentially created by the Gramsciian Left. The greivance-driven politics of the last few decades contains a narrative...that narrative dictates that "Whites" are a unitary, insular, and monolithic group of people who all collude to collectively disposses everybody else.

When Charlie Rangel, Teddy Kennedy, or Hillary Clinton shreiks about "White Privilege", they are calling for transfer payments to and augmented entitlements for people who are simply "not-White". They are also alleging in no uncertain terms that "White" = the enemy...whether the "White" in question is some WASP like me, some Italian catholic, a Rooskie cab driver, or some South Side Mick.

THEY have spoken, and what they have said to us is "YOU are our collective enemy".

Mike
01-06-2007, 08:34 PM
Nations are built over time. There is such a thing as White American culture, and it can be restored to dominance, if we are willing to fight for it. It can also be improved and refined by honest self-examination. One White republic, under God, is our birthright.

The longer we put off the fight the more difficult our task will be later. We've put it off for too many years.

The "white" culture here is nothing to base a nation on. What's "white"?

The US never had a default culture, ever. Dominant, yes, but always with competing Europeans, blacks, Indians, Asians...We brought the "foreigners" over to do our heavy work.

Now we want an all "white" culture? Forget it.

Mentious
01-06-2007, 08:40 PM
Like Jews? Strom, like others, explained all our problems with Jewtalk. The Jeeeewwwwsss, as he used to say in his recordings. He spoke the Jews into being all the time.
And this was a powerful and extraordinary action, because we have been programmed that it is culturally taboo to even say the word "Jew." We are supposed to act like they don't exist. And they don't hang together for their purposes. And they don't have racial solidarity. They don't hate White people. They don't seek more and more power. They do not have racial identity; and they are not working a racial agenda. We are supposed to believe all that, and it took them a long time to get us hypnotized into not seeing them (as in "They Live), or seeing how they operate on the racial mind of others. It's a very subtle "hiss" going on all the time, in everything we read, everything we hear, and everything we see: That Jewish Voice.

To keep all those Trance Factors in place, the final knot is "Jews don't even exist as 'Jews' so you should not even speak their name." Strom was one of the ones cutting that knot and breaking the White trance.

Left: The Jewish Voice
Right: White People

http://julianlee.com/images/TheodenWormtongue2.jpg

Keystone
01-06-2007, 08:46 PM
You are missing the point. As I have discussed many times in the past, White Nationalism was essentially created by the Gramsciian Left. The greivance-driven politics of the last few decades contains a narrative...that narrative dictates that "Whites" are a unitary, insular, and monolithic group of people who all collude to collectively disposses everybody else.
We were never that, unless it was to collude against the blacks who were brought over as pack animals, the injuns, and later on the non-Anglos, etc...always someone to guard the gate against---always. White skin or no.

Now you'd like us to come together because we still have white hide. That's a trick.
When Charlie Rangel, Teddy Kennedy, or Hillary Clinton shreiks about "White Privilege", they are calling for transfer payments to and augmented entitlements for people who are simply "not-White". They are also alleging in no uncertain terms that "White" = the enemy...whether the "White" in question is some WASP like me, some Italian catholic, a Rooskie cab driver, or some South Side Mick.
See above, turned inside out. In this regard, we are truly dysfunctional (English: "fucked up").

Thomas777
01-06-2007, 08:51 PM
We were never that, unless it was to collude against the blacks who were brought over as pack animals, the injuns, and later on the non-Anglos, etc...always someone to guard the gate against---always.
I know that Whites are not a unitary, insular, monolithic group. However, when Whites are equally prejudiced by state and Federal initiatives, why should we not mount a ramparts defense?

Now you'd like us to come together because we still have white hide. That's a trick.
OK. Just write a letter to your senator and explain to him that you are one of those Johnny-come-lately Catholic White folks and that FedGov should stop fucking you over. Make sure to include a paragraph about how WASPs like me are responsible for everything, including oppressing YOUR ancestors. I am sure that will clear up all of the confusion, and "hating Whitey" will cease to be a viable political disposition.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 08:52 PM
For anyone to claim there was never a white, european culture in America before WWII is just insanity. I mean, even negros took on the culture until the <instigators deleted> set them free.

bardamu
01-06-2007, 08:56 PM
Beyond that, I think he's probably stuck with Miss Lantz of the Federal Public Defenders.

Edgar J. Steele perhaps? Of course this will depend on his presumed innocence. If none of his old associates take up the call for his legal defense then it is safe to assume there is inside dirt on him.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 09:00 PM
Well, I hate to repeat anything off of Overthrow, but White says more is coming and that there are others implicated. Of course, National Vanguard has denounced him already, so eager are they to destroy their own.

I doubt White is correct but it's wait and see at this point.

Mike
01-06-2007, 09:02 PM
http://nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=11227

Thomas777
01-06-2007, 09:05 PM
Well, I hate to repeat anything off of Overthrow, but White says more is coming and that there are others implicated. Of course, National Vanguard has denounced him already, so eager are they to destroy their own.

I doubt White is correct but it's wait and see at this point.

Bill White is a four-star shithead.

I doubt that "more is coming" as from what I can tell, Strom is not being charged with conduct that lends itself to mass liability pursuant to a single nucleus of operative fact.

I was not aware that Strom is currently mired in a messy divorce...and when this is considered, this situation makes quite a bit more sense.

This is not to say that Strom is not being aggressively prosecuted on account of his associations and his political dispositions (As John A. Flynn suggested), but it clears up some of the ambiguity as to how these allegations ultimately led to an investigation, arrest, and subsequent indictment.

Fitz
01-06-2007, 09:08 PM
Well, most of us only found out about this last night. Myself, around midnight. So the fact that wallets haven't opened up and legal teams aren't parachuting out of private jets, isn't too irregular. I say give it a week or so and see what develops. He has attorneys, the Federal Public Defenders office. He just doesn't have what most Defendants would want, dedicated, private counsel that is focused like a laser beam on HIS case. Now, if someone wants to send 25 grand my way, I'll begin his representation at $200/hour plus expenses. Beyond that, I think he's probably stuck with Miss Lantz of the Federal Public Defenders.

I'm certainly not pointing an accusatory finger at you John. But clearly this goes back to at least the time of his resignation. Those involved in his decision to resign were aware that this was coming long before last night, and could have prepared a way to deal with it in advance. To distance themselves from him now doesn't say much for his former colleagues' belief in Strom's innocence, nor does it say much for how this movement treats its own.

I've never met the guy or spoken to him on the phone, but if somebody reputable starts a defense fund I will do what I can to contribute. If we don't do something to help defend this guy, it sends a bad message about our integrity and invites more brazen moves by the enemy. Innocent or guilty of the charges, we can't allow this guy to be denied justice because he is a WN.

Dances with Wolves
01-06-2007, 09:12 PM
I'm certainly not pointing an accusatory finger at you John. But clearly this goes back to at least the time of his resignation. Those involved in his decision to resign were aware that this was coming long before last night, and could have prepared a way to deal with it in advance. To distance themselves from him now doesn't say much for his former colleagues' belief in Strom's innocence, nor does it say much for how this movement treats its own.

I've never met the guy or spoken to him on the phone, but if somebody reputable starts a defense fund I will do what I can to contribute. If we don't do something to help defend this guy, it sends a bad message about our integrity and invites more brazen moves by the enemy. Innocent or guilty of the charges, we can't allow this guy to be denied justice because he is a WN.
I will too. I can contribute and I will. We have to hang together or...well, we all know the rest.

il ragno
01-06-2007, 09:17 PM
Good ol' Bitch-tits. You could set your watch by him.

http://www.overthrow.com/lsn/news.asp?articleID=10077

Charlottesvile, Virginia -- Elisha Strom left her husband, Kevin, last year, shortly after he resigned as Chairman of National Vanguard, and told the Southern Poverty Law Center today that she never had sex with him during their marriage.

"She said that for the first two years of her marriage she tried to figure out what was wrong with her [because Strom showed no sexual interest in her], and for the second two years she tried to figure out what was wrong with him," Kristin Kaiser, a mentally ill prostitute and dope addict who was Strom's first wife, told the press, "The fact is, he wasn't interested [sexually] in me, either, once we got married, and I never could figure out what was wrong with me."

National Vanguard members today put up phony cover stories on VNN Forum and Stormfront claiming Strom was framed, but, in the real world, he's been about as framed as David Duke, who spent a year in prison after being accused of stealing more than $2 million from white activists.

Sources close to Strom claim that he had an obsession for young girls, as has been represented on some of his websites in the past, and he often talked about "nymphets", a term from the book "Lolita" and how he'd like to work in an all-girls elementary school.

Strom has been considered a homo and likely child molestor for many years, and the news has not come as a surprise to anyone in the white movement.

White nationalist sources say that other National Vanguard members may be implicated in the crimes.

It also appears that the leadership of National Vanguard may have known about the allegations or the investigation against Strom since his resignation last year, and concealed the charges from their membership. Strom was indicted on the charges by a grand jury today, and thus must have been charged with them several months ago.

While some former National Alliance members have apologized to the publishers of this website for the vicious campaign they conducted against us at Strom's direction in 2003, others continue to be in denial, and are claiming a "Matt Hale" type set up.

The difference, of course, is that the charges and evidence against Matt Hale were clear -- he was just convicted despite obviously, publicly weak evidence. In Strom's case, he didn't "accidentally" download photos -- he took photos of little girls and possibly little boys, allegedly molested them as well, and he has been charged with one item from his private collection as part of a larger federal investigation into his child pornography activities.

It is unclear today whether he is charged with beating up his wife or one of the little girls involved at this point in time.

American National Socialist Workers' Party Commander Bill White today denounced Strom and any white activist that attempted to excuse or support his behavior:

"Kevin Strom has clearly been sexually abnormal for the entirety of his involvement in white activism. He was almost single handedly involved in destroying the National Alliance after William Pierce's death, and he has, for twenty years, viciously slandered any white activist who questioned him. The fact is that the white nationalist movement has been littered with sexual deviants, like Strom and like Cliff Herrington and his wife, for decades, and the denial that white activists engage in when these activities are exposed do not help us clean house. Kevin Strom should never have been allowed to hold the position of trust that he did, and every member of National Vanguard that stood by him, supported him, and gave him their allegiance despite having met him and been aware of his general character is as responsible for his impact on the white movement as every other."

White noted that Strom's relationship with David Duke, Stormfront, and other long time movement con-men were no coincidence.

"The entire reacionary wing of the white nationalist movement is corrupt and must be destroyed for white people and white workers to continue their march forward towards a National Socialist state."

JohnAFlynn
01-06-2007, 09:19 PM
Edgar J. Steele perhaps? Of course this will depend on his presumed innocence. If none of his old associates take up the call for his legal defense then it is safe to assume there is inside dirt on him.


Or it could be safe to assume that no one has any money anymore, because the economy's gone to shit and a gallon of milk costs 4 bucks.

Keystone
01-06-2007, 09:20 PM
For anyone to claim there was never a white, european culture in America before WWII is just insanity. I mean, even negros took on the culture until the <instigators deleted> set them free.
Sure there was "white" culture, all sorts. But how good was it?

For every white Southern sharecropper sad story, there was a Northern white industrial worker nightmare, only relieved by the labor movement. There are photos of my city circa 1900, with white people living in fucking filthy shanties, because our white masters wouldn't pay a subsistence wage.

They were dancing ethnic jigs and waltzes in joyfulness.

The perfect "white" society you yearn for isn't that old.

MrAngry
01-06-2007, 09:24 PM
This thread is absolutely priceless, another WN leading light allegedly gets caught with kiddy porn and there are all those who jump to his defense, bet if was black you'd be condemning before a trial. I hope he is guilty, I hope you donate your hard earned cash, then you can look f**king stupid knowing that you may have well flushed your money down the toilet.

High IQ? Master race? More like damaged good with an axe to grind. Driven by fear blinded by hate.

Thanks Phora, a real education, I no longer need to wonder why racists are a marginal minority view, it patently obvious just reading through this site.

Hopefully some of you will grow up, the others I pity.

Good by and good luck.