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Fade the Butcher
01-08-2007, 10:01 PM
Listen to this crank:

"This book is such an attempt. Its thesis can easily be summed up. Great cultures, where the scientific entreprise came to a standstill, invariably failed to formulate the notion of physical law, or the law of nature. Theirs was a theology with no belief in a personal, rational, absolutely transcendent Lawgiver, or Creator. Their cosmology reflected a pantheistic and animistic view of nature caught in the treadmill of perennial, inexorable returns. The scientific quest found fertile soil only when this faith in a personal, rational Creator had truly permeated a whoel culture, beginning with the centuries of the High Middle Ages. It was that faith which provided, in sufficient measure, confidence in the rationality of the universe, trust in progress, and appreciation of the quantitative method, all indispensable ingredients of the scientific quest."

Stanley Jaki, Science and Creation: From Eternal Cycles to an Oscillating Universe (Edinburgh: Scottish Academic Press, 1986), p.viii

What a cavalier, arrogant, not to mention ignorant dismissal of the accomplishments of non-Christian science. An obvious objection comes immediately to mind: how is it that the monotheistic Hebrews contributed virtually nothing of importance to science or technology for thousands of years? What did the Bible contribute to science except gross, misleading, laughable errors in virtually every branch of human knowledge that retarded scientific progress for over a thousand years?

Petr
01-08-2007, 10:16 PM
What a cavalier, arrogant, not to mention ignorant dismissal of the accomplishments of non-Christian science.
Hypocrisy meter just blew up. Fade is absolutely in no position to complain about arrogant and ignorant dismissals made by anyone else. :rolleyes:

Read Jaki well, you may learn something they don't teach at rubbish sites like jesusneverexisted.com or pop-history books about the history of Alexandria that don't even mention John Philoponus.

Jaki is not a Biblical inerrantist, btw. His book is a "masterpiece, pleasure to read."


Petr

Petr
01-08-2007, 10:28 PM
An obvious objection comes immediately to mind: how is it that the monotheistic Hebrews contributed virtually nothing of importance to science or technology for thousands of years? What did the Bible contribute to science except gross, misleading, laughable errors in virtually every branch of human knowledge that retarded scientific progress for over a thousand years?
Real scholars are able to think beyond such simplistic atheist soundbites. You wouldn't understand.

The destruction of pagan worldview was a deeply pro-science act in itself.


Petr

Fade the Butcher
01-08-2007, 10:30 PM
This book is trash (much like the Bible). Its thesis is ridiculous. The so-called "stillbirth" of Greek science continued to inspire advances in the Islamic world centuries after the practice of science had been crushed in the Roman Empire by Christianity. As for the Biblical view of time, the church fathers were convinced that the end of the world was imminent and cultivating the "profane sciences" was superfluous for that reason.

Petr
01-08-2007, 10:32 PM
Listen to this crank:
People must have noticed that every scholar whom Fade dislikes is a "crank". On the other hand, dishonest hacks like A.D. White are beyond reproach because Fade likes their writings.


Petr

Petr
01-08-2007, 10:33 PM
This book is trash (much like the Bible). Its thesis is ridiculous.
Fade probably doesn't even have stomach to go through it. He just took a quick peek at first pages. :p


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Fade the Butcher
01-08-2007, 10:36 PM
Real scholars are able to think beyond such simplistic atheist soundbites. You wouldn't understand.

Stanley Jaki is a theologian. He launches into an amusing tirade against Darwinism (the foundation of the modern life sciences) in "The Savior of Science."

The destruction of pagan worldview was a deeply pro-science act in itself.

Amusing. Once again, the ancient Hebrews contributed NOTHING to any branch of science, nor did the Byzantines, or the Christian West for over fourteen centuries. The Egyptians, Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Indians, Chinese, and Maya all made more impressive contributions to science, mathematics, and technology than the ancient Hebrews.

Fade the Butcher
01-08-2007, 10:39 PM
Fade probably doesn't even have stomach to go through it. He just took a quick peek at first pages.

Hold on. I'm trying to think of a scientific accomplishment that can be found within the Bible, attributed to Jesus Christ, or any of the church fathers. Nope. I can't think of a single thing.

Petr
01-08-2007, 10:53 PM
What pseudo-intellectual does Jaki's description of Nietzsche and his "own personal library" remind us? :)


pp. 322-23

These plans never materialized. From early youth Nietzsche disliked the systematic and abstract intellectual exercise demanded by scientific studies. Although his personal library contained well over a hundred books on science, most of them were popularizations. About half of these show some evidence of having been perused by him (119)


Petr