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Anarch
12-03-2005, 01:58 PM
Note: It doesn't seem like politicans like taking no for an answer, do they?


Belgian leader proposes 'United States of Europe'
http://euobserver.com/9/20465


01.12.2005 - 17:39 CET | By Mark Beunderman EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - In a bid to go against the eurosceptic tide that is dominating EU public opinion, Belgian prime minister Guy Verhofstadt has pleaded for the creation of a federal "United States of Europe."

Mr Verhofstadt, a liberal, on Thursday (1 December) presented his new book, provocatively entitled "The United States of Europe."

The work is meant as a "political statement against the current trend", the Belgian leader indicated.

In the book, Mr Verhofstadt proposes to break the deadlock that faces the EU after French and Dutch voters voted down the EU constitution, by creating a federal Europe.

In analysing the current mood of EU uneasiness among citizens, Mr Verhofstadt primarily points to fears that European citizens have about globalisation and international crime, but these fears should not lead to calls for "less Europe", Mr Verhofstadt writes.

Pointing to the European Commission's eurobarometer surveys on public opinion "people do not want less Europe, but another Europe", he states.

People want the EU to do more in foreign affairs, and do less unnecessary regulation that, for example "decides how French cheese should be made."

Federalist architecture
Mr Verhofstadt believes that citizens' concerns can be best addressed by a more deeply integrated Europe, which could make a fist in the globalised world, boost the European economy by better economic co-ordination and fight organised crime.

In proposing a concrete architecture for his "United States of Europe", the Belgian politician reverts to a range of ideas that have long since figured in the debate about the future of Europe, but are more federalist than the rejected constitution.

He pleads for a "European social and economic government", which should set minimum and maximum standards for, for example, greater flexibility in labour markets, pension age and workers' protection.

The European Union - a term which the Belgian politician keeps using next to "United States of Europe" - should have an autonomous budget financed from taxes like VAT, which it should use to boost spending on research and development.

The EU should further have its own president, foreign minister, army and prosecutor.

Two Europes
Mr Verhofstadt calls a federal EU "the only option."

"Clearly, it makes no sense to keep each other in a strangle hold and keep squabbling over the way we want to go, while other continents surpass us at high speed."

Like all federalist thinkers, Mr Verhofstadt finds himself faced with the dilemma that not all EU states are that keen to participate in a federalist project.

Again reverting to older ideas, Mr Verhofstadt proposes a two-speed Europe as a way out of the dilemma, with a core of integrationist states, surrounded by a circle of states that favour a looser Europaen construction.

The nucleus, with the prestigious "United States of Europe" title, could consist of the 12 EU states that have adopted the euro, but should be open to further expansion of states comprising the looser, outer circle of the "Organisation of European States" - a term that appears to have been borrowed from eurosceptic Czech president Vaclac Klaus.

Inspiration from US history
Mr Verhofstadt points to the fact that in the history of the United States of America, not all states immediately adopted the federalist constitution drafted in 1787, but today, "it is clear...that the choice for the federal model was the right one."

The Belgian premier acknowledges that recent EU history points to a development contrary to federalism, writing that "some countries have relatively recently detached themselves from the federalist camp."

But as in the US case, in the longer term "the direction indicated by history is nevertheless crystal clear", he writes.

Concluding the book, Mr Verhofstadt says he is confident Europeans would "by an overwhelming majority" approve his federal Europe in a Europe-wide referendum.

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Niko Bellic
12-03-2005, 03:25 PM
Inspiration from US history
Mr Verhofstadt points to the fact that in the history of the United States of America, not all states immediately adopted the federalist constitution drafted in 1787, but today, "it is clear...that the choice for the federal model was the right one."

The Belgian premier acknowledges that recent EU history points to a development contrary to federalism, writing that "some countries have relatively recently detached themselves from the federalist camp."

But as in the US case, in the longer term "the direction indicated by history is nevertheless crystal clear", he writes.

Concluding the book, Mr Verhofstadt says he is confident Europeans would "by an overwhelming majority" approve his federal Europe in a Europe-wide referendum.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!1111111!!!!1111
:rofl: :222: :rofl: :222: :rofl:

Jimbo Gomez
12-03-2005, 04:54 PM
That man has a very long history of taking his dreams for reality. Not even in his own country people outside of his party respect him anymore.

Niko Bellic
12-03-2005, 05:31 PM
That man has a very long history of taking his dreams for reality. Not even in his own country people outside of his party respect him anymore.

Sorry, but I had to laugh.

I've never heard of him before, but I figured it was something like that, or he wouldn't have suggested it. The fact is that a federal system, or the current EU system just won't ever work. The borders have shifted around over the centuries, but on any given piece of land in Europe, you have the same group of people with a deeply ingrained culture who have been there for a very long time, and they aren't going to be interested in any union that can affect the way they live their daily lives. It's the same thing that prevents Europe from integrating immigrants the way the U.S., Canada, and Australia have done through their entire short histories.

Felix the Cat
12-04-2005, 01:49 AM
(Did some digging on this guy, and turned this up - a denuncation of Berlusconi for claiming that Western Civ is superior to Islam)

EU deplores 'dangerous' Islam jibe (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1565664.stm)

The European Union has denounced Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's remarks about the superiority of Western civilisation, warning that they could have "dangerous" repercussions.

"These remarks could, in a dangerous way, have consequences," Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt, whose nation holds the EU presidency, was quoted as saying.

"I can hardly believe that the Italian prime minister made such statements ... rather than bringing civilisations together, they could feed a feeling of humiliation."

Mr Verhofstadt was speaking as he left for Washington, where he is due to meet with US President George W Bush.

"We certainly don't share the views expressed yesterday by Mr Berlusconi," said Jean-Christophe Filori, spokesman for the European Commission, the EU's executive arm.

The Italian prime minister caused a domestic political storm with his remarks about the superiority of Western civilisation.

During a visit to Germany Mr Berlusconi said the West guaranteed respect for human rights and religion - something he said did not exist in the Islamic world.

One prominent member of Italy's centre-left opposition, Giovanni Berlinguer, accused Mr Berlusconi of launching into eccentric and dangerous calls for conflict between civilisations.

Out of context

But Mr Berlusconi's spokesman, Paolo Bonaiuti, said his critics were taking his words out of context.

Mr Berlusconi's comments come at a time when Western leaders have been at pains to reassure the Islamic world that the campaign against terrorism was not a fight against Islam in general.

A statement by US President George W Bush in which he used the word "crusade" - a term recalling the medieval clash between Christianity and Islam - was seen as causing potential offence.

After talks in Berlin with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and Russian President Vladimir Putin on the crisis, Mr Berlusconi said:

"We must be aware of the superiority of our civilisation, a system that has guaranteed well-being, respect for human rights and - in contrast with Islamic countries - respect for religious and political rights, a system that has as its value understanding of diversity and tolerance."

He was then quoted as comparing Islamic terrorism to the anti-globalisation movement, saying that while the former had tried to provoke a violent reaction from the West the latter had tried to make it feel guilty for its economic policy.

'Unstatesmanlike'

Centre-left opposition politicians seized on the comments. Mr Berlinguer said:

"Silvio Berlusconi has gone abroad and launched into eccentric and dangerous calls for conflict between civilisations... using terms that no statesman worthy of the name has used in these recent terrible weeks for humanity."

Communists compared Mr Berlusconi to the prime suspect for the 11 September attacks in New York and Washington.

"The billionaire [Osama] Bin Laden and the billionaire Berlusconi are cut from the same anti-communist cloth," party spokesman Alfio Nicotra said.

"They both represent fundamentalism - one of the markets, the other of religion."

Jimbo Gomez
12-04-2005, 10:57 AM
15 years ago Verhofstadt made similar comments, but he hates to be reminded of those...